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I'm not getting a N3 until it's cracked or they release a Dev edition. I'd love to see a crack though. Now that it is out, I'm hoping a crack was developed and just kept under wraps
Seriously, any buy if you can't mod?
Out of curiosity, what part of the locked bootloader is causing you to make that decision?
customization
I had a locked device. No custom roms no custom kernels. OC, UC undervolting etc.
I prefer to try different roms and have the experience I want not what VZW thinks I need.
From them I only need a sim they get a monthly fee for that. The device is mine. fully paid period.
If developer edition gets released only few people will get that, so the support for the device will be minimal if the mainstream device remains locked.
I hope that verizon goes VOLTE and then Goog will have lte support for them the way they are doing with Nexus 7.
N3 looks dimmer and dimmer.
Abe
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I had a locked device. No custom roms no custom kernels. OC, UC undervolting etc.
I prefer to try different roms and have the experience I want not what VZW thinks I need.
From them I only need a sim they get a monthly fee for that. The device is mine. fully paid period.
If developer edition gets released only few people will get that, so the support for the device will be minimal if the mainstream device remains locked.
I hope that verizon goes VOLTE and then Goog will have lte support for them the way they are doing with Nexus 7.
N3 looks dimmer and dimmer.
Abe
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If a workaround Is created, you can flash custom kernals, roms, etc
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abe_cedar said:
I had a locked device. No custom roms no custom kernels. OC, UC undervolting etc.
I prefer to try different roms and have the experience I want not what VZW thinks I need.
From them I only need a sim they get a monthly fee for that. The device is mine. fully paid period.
If developer edition gets released only few people will get that, so the support for the device will be minimal if the mainstream device remains locked.
I hope that verizon goes VOLTE and then Goog will have lte support for them the way they are doing with Nexus 7.
N3 looks dimmer and dimmer.
Abe
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Was said device a motorola device? Motorola is notorious for not releasing Kernel source code for their locked devices. Samsung, however, has already released the verizon galaxy note 3 kernel source code. Given someone creates a good bootstrap recovery that supports kexec, custom roms with custom kernels will be completely doable even with a locked bootloader. Furthermore, with the hardware in the phone and the availability of customization apps on the store, even on a stock ROM with just root, you can freeze the bloat and customize it almost as much as you can with a custom ROM. If you're seriously thinking you'll "Need" to overclock a 2.3 GHz quad-core processor for anything beyond epeen benchmarks, then I'll giggle a little bit.
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Was said device a motorola device? Motorola is notorious for not releasing Kernel source code for their locked devices. Samsung, however, has already released the verizon galaxy note 3 kernel source code. Given someone creates a good bootstrap recovery that supports kexec, custom roms with custom kernels will be completely doable even with a locked bootloader. Furthermore, with the hardware in the phone and the availability of customization apps on the store, even on a stock ROM with just root, you can freeze the bloat and customize it almost as much as you can with a custom ROM. If you're seriously thinking you'll "Need" to overclock a 2.3 GHz quad-core processor for anything beyond epeen benchmarks, then I'll giggle a little bit.
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I actually wannna do some underclocking if need be to save battery, but with how advanced the processors are today, they are already programmed to run super efficiently.
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People have reported a solid day's life with typical use, that's good enough for me. I'm always in a situation where I have a charger readily available if I need one.
armus said:
I'm not getting a N3 until it's cracked or they release a Dev edition. I'd love to see a crack though. Now that it is out, I'm hoping a crack was developed and just kept under wraps
Seriously, any buy if you can't mod?
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PM keymaster911...he has the bl unlocked, and root.
The T-Mobile version came with unlocked bootloader. Don't know why Verizon & AT&T want so much control over our expensive toys.
How can I tell if my bootloader is locked without messing up the phone? Who knows maybe it's unlocked?? Or maybe Verizon skipped this phone!
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Was said device a motorola device? Motorola is notorious for not releasing Kernel source code for their locked devices. Samsung, however, has already released the verizon galaxy note 3 kernel source code. Given someone creates a good bootstrap recovery that supports kexec, custom roms with custom kernels will be completely doable even with a locked bootloader. Furthermore, with the hardware in the phone and the availability of customization apps on the store, even on a stock ROM with just root, you can freeze the bloat and customize it almost as much as you can with a custom ROM. If you're seriously thinking you'll "Need" to overclock a 2.3 GHz quad-core processor for anything beyond epeen benchmarks, then I'll giggle a little bit.
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Motorola indeed. No more moto for me..
need. not per se.
On my N2 saber kernel, with some tweaking ( slight voltage changes and some governor touches and yes oc at 2GHz ), gives me the best performance( subjective definition, but good battery life and no lag).
Droidstyle said it best If beans106 gets us a custom rom for N3 I am in. Some nice kernels would be good too. saber, devil etc
I would love to be in last years boat when adam unlocked it(N2) in 4 days and had casual up and running . Adam said no more sammy... sad
( qcom snapdragon and qfuses) .
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If developer edition gets released only few people will get that, so the support for the device will be minimal if the mainstream device remains locked.
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This is my question. I would use an upgrade to buy a phone and sell it, then use that to get a developer phone. But after I got it, will there be anything I can do with it? Seems like the developer phones only get development if the main phone is unlocked, which then negates the need for a developer phone. Maybe we need a forum devoted solely to Verizon Developer phones from now on.
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This is my question. I would use an upgrade to buy a phone and sell it, then use that to get a developer phone. But after I got it, will there be anything I can do with it? Seems like the developer phones only get development if the main phone is unlocked, which then negates the need for a developer phone. Maybe we need a forum devoted solely to Verizon Developer phones from now on.
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Hadn't thought of that. I guess the S4 gets some Dev love because some folks were able to unlock it early on. If the N3 is never cracked, devs may well just pass this thing up.
Why do I want an unlocked bootloader? Recovery and backups. I want to mod and flash until my eyes bleed. I love seeing my device running a new ROM, even if I hate the way the ROM looks - it's new and different. I get bored with a device that just is. I demand change. If I must be stuck with a device's frame for a few months (that's about as long as I can hold onto one before wanting to change it) then I want new software - daily! I guess this is the definition of a crack flasher. Damn it feels good to be one though.
Can't wait to see who will be the first to post in the Dev section. How many hours will the phone be out when the first post is made? My money is on 96 hours
So jealous of looking at T-Mobiles and Sprints Android Development sections... SO JEALOUSSSSSSSS :silly:
I would just like to know what the interest level is for our wonderful devs out there.
Are there some die hards working day and night to crack this thing? Or is it a collective "meh" thanks to VzW locking us down.
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It seems clear to me that Verizon phones aren't going to be cracked anymore, but they offer a developer phone for just about every model now. I'm honestly kinda shocked we all haven't just migrated to them, instead of even discussing cracking the standard phones. They give us exactly what we want: fully unlocked Verizon phones. If our whole Verizon section of the community would just accept that developer phones are the best option, it would greatly help us Verizon folks.
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your not thinking about all the subsidized people
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It seems clear to me that Verizon phones aren't going to be cracked anymore, but they offer a developer phone for just about every model now. I'm honestly kinda shocked we all haven't just migrated to them, instead of even discussing cracking the standard phones. They give us exactly what we want: fully unlocked Verizon phones. If our whole Verizon section of the community would just accept that developer phones are the best option, it would greatly help us Verizon folks.
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not every one here can fork 700 + for a phone that is a dev edition. the majority of ppl here are using subsidized and with the unlimited glitch , more ppl jumped on that price. Dev phones are not covered by verizons warranty either.
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not every one here can fork 700 + for a phone that is a dev edition. the majority of ppl here are using subsidized and with the unlimited glitch , more ppl jumped on that price. Dev phones are not covered by verizons warranty either.
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Everyone can get a subsidized phone and just sell it for full price, then get the dev phone, can't they? That's what I'll do. Just an extra step. And the phone is covered by the same 1 yr warranty from Samsung that a phone from Verizon is. Just a standard one-year manufacturer's warranty, like just about every piece of electronics that exists has. Difference is Verizon would deal with Samsung if the phone were subsidized, you deal directly with Samsung for the dev phone.
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Everyone can get a subsidized phone and just sell it for full price, then get the dev phone, can't they? That's what I'll do. Just an extra step. And the phone is covered by the same 1 yr warranty from Samsung that a phone from Verizon is. Just a standard one-year manufacturer's warranty, like just about every piece of electronics that exists has. Difference is Verizon would deal with Samsung if the phone were subsidized, you deal directly with Samsung for the dev phone.
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No verizon warranty is a bit different. they will send you a refurbished no questions asked. and they can send you virtually unlimited ones the first year ( i replaced my rezound 5 times and my s3 three times all within one year because it was all under the rezounds one year warranty ) The manufacturer warranty has to investigate the device and until they fix it , you are on your own . and then they may send you a refurbished.
And the whole thing with selling the phone , it might be ok to you , but the hoops scare ppl .
If Verizon is doing this to run me off, it's working. Spring sucks but t-mo shows some promise. Now I just have to talk the wife into letting me.
I am going to begin a bounty to all of our devs of $100 to whomever can get a working unlocked bootloader for the Verizon 4GLTE P605V Samsung Galaxy 10.1 2014 edition. It's complete nonsense that going as far back as far as April (the first post I found searching for this) that there isn't a solution.... If you own this tablet variant as well, please jump on board.
Most devs for the 10.1 2014 have moved to the pro version. So this may be really hard to get. if you look at the unlocked versions there is little to no support for them right now as well.
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All the Verizon/Samsung locked bootloaders have been unlockable to date as well as the AT&T varieties. Check the S4, Note 3 and S5 threads.
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All the Verizon/Samsung locked bootloaders have been unlockable to date as well as the AT&T varieties. Check the S4, Note 3 and S5 threads.
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I don't really care about the S4, my Note 3 is already unlocked, and could care less about the S5 as well. What I AM concerned with is getting my 10.1 2014 Verizon edition unlocked so I can actually get TWRP on it an put on custom ROM's. For a forum filled with lots of experts and geniuses, no one seems to want to take any time or make any effort. I am literally begging! Using any version of Odin has failed trying to get TWRP on my tablet. All the ROMs I have looked at say to install that as a prerequisite. So what is a guy to do? Should I just put a round from my .45 through it and call it a day? I am outside the 14 day return window now with Verizon, so unless someone can give me a clue as to what I am doing wrong, then I am royally screwed..........
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I don't really care about the S4, my Note 3 is already unlocked, and could care less about the S5 as well. What I AM concerned with is getting my 10.1 2014 Verizon edition unlocked so I can actually get TWRP on it an put on custom ROM's. For a forum filled with lots of experts and geniuses, no one seems to want to take any time or make any effort. I am literally begging! Using any version of Odin has failed trying to get TWRP on my tablet. All the ROMs I have looked at say to install that as a prerequisite. So what is a guy to do? Should I just put a round from my .45 through it and call it a day? I am outside the 14 day return window now with Verizon, so unless someone can give me a clue as to what I am doing wrong, then I am royally screwed..........
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You are missing the point. Bootloaders are not a simple security hack. They are the proprietary coding that allows the device to boot. There is NO decompiling, sorting through code, figuring out the lock and then unlocking it. There needs to be an exploit to get in and change it. Which means there is a 99% chance the wrong exploit attempt will brick the device...an not the "brick" all these people talk about mistakenly on this site...a REAL brick...dead paperweight. Think that it is an issue with this sites "geniuses" not wanting to do it? Maybe you would understand better if you blindfolded yourself and tried to assemble a 5000 piece jigsaw puzzle....only you get an electric shock with every wrong piece you play.
I mentioned the other devices not to see if you "care"...it is to let you know the same method is employed to lock those as your tablet and they are just as popular with the "geniuses" that genuinely want to unlock the bootloader. AND have large bounties on them.
As to what are you supposed to do? Research next time. Buy products from a carrier that does not lock down their devices or buy a device that is not a commercial push to the military and corporate so that Verizon wants it locked down tight for more sales and contracts. Or continue to hold your breath throwing this tantrum you seem to be doing. Or...I don't know...use the tablet as it was designed to be used when sold and seems to work fine for the millions of customers who know nothing of XDA or rooting.
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You are missing the point. Bootloaders are not a simple security hack. They are the proprietary coding that allows the device to boot. There is NO decompiling, sorting through code, figuring out the lock and then unlocking it. There needs to be an exploit to get in and change it. Which means there is a 99% chance the wrong exploit attempt will brick the device...an not the "brick" all these people talk about mistakenly on this site...a REAL brick...dead paperweight. Think that it is an issue with this sites "geniuses" not wanting to do it? Maybe you would understand better if you blindfolded yourself and tried to assemble a 5000 piece jigsaw puzzle....only you get an electric shock with every wrong piece you play.
I mentioned the other devices not to see if you "care"...it is to let you know the same method is employed to lock those as your tablet and they are just as popular with the "geniuses" that genuinely want to unlock the bootloader. AND have large bounties on them.
As to what are you supposed to do? Research next time. Buy products from a carrier that does not lock down their devices or buy a device that is not a commercial push to the military and corporate so that Verizon wants it locked down tight for more sales and contracts. Or continue to hold your breath throwing this tantrum you seem to be doing. Or...I don't know...use the tablet as it was designed to be used when sold and seems to work fine for the millions of customers who know nothing of XDA or rooting.
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I would have to say that in reading text, it is generally hard to understand the tone of the text. While I wasn't throwing a tantrum, the tone of your reply is pretty unmistakable. When someone comes here genuinely looking for help and assistance with a device, is it a general practice to publicly belittle and berate them? As to my bounty, I started off low to see if others would jump on board or not. As to my carrier, I have been with Verizon from day one, get a rather large corporate discount from them on devices and accessories, and have 6 lines through them, so why just to get this tablet to do what I want it to, would I change carriers? Every device that I have had in the 'smart'phone era has been Verizon, and someone has found a way to unlock them. So I apologize if I came of looking like a prick, as that was not at all my intention. I would gladly personally pay up to $100.00 if someone could help. It is very frustrating to only be able to do half of what I want to achieve with my tablet. I'm as far as I personally can go on it. If anyone was offended by my wording, again, I am sorry for that. BTW, I changed the avatar that was only taken offense to after my post. Have a happy Sunday Funday! I know I will as I am already on bloody Mary number 4 here.
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I would have to say that in reading text, it is generally hard to understand the tone of the text. While I wasnt throwing a tantrum, the tone of your reply is pretty unmistakable. When someone comes here genuinely looking for help and assistance with a device, is it a general practice to publicly belittle and berate them? As to my bounty, I started off low to see if others would jump on board or not. As to my carrier, I have been with Verizon from day one, get a rather large corporate discount from them on devices and accessories, and have 6 lines through them, so why just to get this tablet to do what I want it to, would I change carriers? Every device that I have had in the smartphone era has been Verizon, and someone has found a way to unlock them. So I apologize if I came of looking like a prick, as that was not at all my intention. I would gladly personally pay up to $100.00 if someone could help. It is very frustrating to only be able to do half of what I want to achieve with my tablet. Im as far as I personally can go on it. If anyone was offended by my wording, again, I am sorry for that. BTW, I changed the avatar that was only taken offense to after my post. Have a happy Sunday Funday! I know I will as I am already on bloody Mary number 4 here.
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Your phrase that asks if you should put a bullet into your tablet certainly sounded like a bit of a tantrum. Sorry if I somehow misconstrued that. Then also sounding like you were belittling XDA developers because they did not unlock the bootloader yet.. Sounded a bit entitled. There are devices years old that have never been unlocked. I have done my best to explain why there should never be a time limit or expectations of the bootloader ever being unlocked yet you also shot that down as selfishly exclaiming you did not care about those examples and were only concerned about what matters to you. Did I leave anything out? Sorry if I somehow misinterpreted any of that. Sounds like you need to start making a decision as to what is more important to you, your corporate discount or an unlocked bootloader. Have your bounty but I already explained older Verizon devices with the same locked bootloaders has stumped the security geniuses so far.
$100
$100.00
$150.00?
The devs were never really all that involved with this tablet. It is highly unlikely they will unlock the Verizon version unless they figure out the other Samsung products. Even if they would unlock the tablet you my not get any devs that are willing to port their Roms over to the Verizon version.
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Ok, I give up
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Ok, I give up
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Say my friend..don't give up There are to many smart people at this forum... (and other forums) Trust me just have to be patient lol.. I am in the same boat some one will figure this out..
OK, I have a SM-P605v with a broken LCD (not the screen itself, but the display is discolored and not displaying correctly). It was previously Rooted and I have gotten screen emulators working when hooked up to my laptop. I would be willing to donate this to any Dev willing to work on the exploit. If there is a risk of bricking the device, then rest assured it's no biggie since the screen is bad on it. Please PM me if you are interested.
It's been a while now, anyone figure it out yet?....................................................
Has anyone tried the unlock script for the note 3 and note 4?
Here is the link to note 3.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/ver...l/official-note-3-verizon-bootloader-t3359370
I just got a SM-P605 that is unlocked. Once I figure out where the kernal came from perhaps I can be of help here. I really want to get this thing rooted and connected with my carrier. I had had a SM-P600, but it was smashed and could not be repaired. That's why I bought this tablet. Otherwise this P605 is totally stock and runs like a very well behaved powerhouse should.
Rob
i looked at this page it says u need root to use this .
Nappyloxs said:
Has anyone tried the unlock script for the note 3 and note 4?
Here is the link to note 3.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/ver...l/official-note-3-verizon-bootloader-t3359370
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but dont you need a unlocked bootloader to get root ?
No you don't need unlocked bootloader to root. I think I used towel root years ago to root this tablet.
Link200 said:
The devs were never really all that involved with this tablet. It is highly unlikely they will unlock the Verizon version unless they figure out the other Samsung products. Even if they would unlock the tablet you my not get any devs that are willing to port their Roms over to the Verizon version.
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You know I really loved my SM-P600, but it was badly damaged and I don't know how or where to order in the left speaker, on/off switch from. So got really frustrated advanced ordered an SM-P605v instead and was able to get one that has an unlocked boatloader. I've not rooted it yet, or mounted TWRP on it. I may not root it though I'd like to. Even so, I'm looking into it and while, though I'm extremely happy with it,I may eventually root it.
I've explored a lot of options so far and none of them, so far, work for an SM-P605v running Android 5.1.1.
I'll get back with you about a week from now.
By the way, this tablet, and the SGN Pro are still much more powerful and capable than the Surface Pro or IPad Pro. This, even though they are getting a little older.
By the way,I spoke to a friend of mine who owns the large IPad Pro today. Apple hasn't optimised the Home screen yet, even after all these months. You'd think they'd have done better by their consumer base by now.
Even so, I'm so pleased with the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1(2014), both with the SM-P600, and the SM-P605. Unless Samsung releases a Tab A that has an S Pen and 32 gigs memory, or releases a substantial upgrade to the SM-P600,SM-P605, and SM-P607, or puts out a new SGN in the series with 64 our 128gigs internal, I'm not open to trading my tablet in. It'll be over my cold, dead body.
This whole thing just died from no interest other than from me, huh?
I would be ALL for the Note 4. The S pen is a huge plus! My issue with the note4 is I root my phone.
Now I know T-moble does not look for the knox flag now with trade ins on jump; but that doesn't meant samsung will not make the start. Knox being tripped in the future may cause issues with trade in using Tmobile Jump. Thoughts opinions? Please reply to this!
I don't think that is a worry. Beyond the fact that half the T-Mobile agents won't even know what you are talking about, that would be a headache for T-Mobile. They release phones with open boot loaders, and they claim to be uncarrier.
I would worry about it. Worse comes to worse...don't trade it in, sale it.
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I would be ALL for the Note 4. The S pen is a huge plus! My issue with the note4 is I root my phone.
Now I know T-moble does not look for the knox flag now with trade ins on jump; but that doesn't meant samsung will not make the start. Knox being tripped in the future may cause issues with trade in using Tmobile Jump. Thoughts opinions? Please reply to this!
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Simple answer..
don't root your phone if you're this paranoid...
Will keep the Note 4. Not having an extSd slot is a deal breaker. Don't trust keeping all files in Dropbox or a. cloud
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I would be ALL for the Note 4. The S pen is a huge plus! My issue with the note4 is I root my phone.
Now I know T-moble does not look for the knox flag now with trade ins on jump; but that doesn't meant samsung will not make the start. Knox being tripped in the future may cause issues with trade in using Tmobile Jump. Thoughts opinions? Please reply to this!
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Tmobile dosent care and won't care the phones are sent back to there repair building and its broke down for parts or all flags are Clearlake sold as a refurbished
I really wouldn't worry about it. I managed to rock my s4 on the cyanogen nightlies with the latest modems without ever tripping knox. Thanks to buying the phone when it first came out and it coming with the 4.2 bootloader.
I tripped knox the second day I had this phone. No regrets. I'm rooted, team win recovery, running firekat v4. Haven't seen anyone with a better phone. And, Austin is pretty tech savvy.
If I needed to return or exchange or jump i would use the same plan as when we used to worry about the flash counter.
1. Odin to stock.
2. And, don't sound like you know how to program cell phones you are talking to Samsung or Tmobile.
There is not a better phone currently or in the near future.
Ps
I returned a rooted s4 to Samsung directly with the flash counter tripped because I broke the back camera flashing those cm nightlies and was concerned about messing the phone up further trying to unroot. Got a brand new s4, european back cover, extra battery, and extra set of headphones out of it.
All you have to do is Odin to stock.
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I really wouldn't worry about it. I managed to rock my s4 on the cyanogen nightlies with the latest modems without ever tripping knox. Thanks to buying the phone when it first came out and it coming with the 4.2 bootloader.
I tripped knox the second day I had this phone. No regrets. I'm rooted, team win recovery, running firekat v4. Haven't seen anyone with a better phone. And, Austin is pretty tech savvy.
If I need to return or exchange or jump same plan as when we used to worry about the flash counter. Odin to stock. Don't sound like you know how to program cell phones when you are asking to return, exchange, jump.
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It doesn't sound like I know how to flash to stock? My 8yo niece can do that lol
Did you fully read my OP? I said I know they do not look for Knox flags NOW. I am worried Samsung may make them START in the future. If I go with the note4 ill be on it till there is a note 5.
You dont think the nexus6 compares? The bigger screen is nice so is lolypop and ALWAYS having the newest android ahead of everyone else.
The nexus 6 has some major flaws. Camera is a downgrade. Big time. Same as every other nexus. No microsd card slot is a joke. I don't want my files on the cloud. I don't want to not have access to stuff because of a bad cell signal, no cell signal, whatever else beyond my control.
The phone is also gigantic. It is bigger than the iPhone 6 plus which is a gigantic phone to begin with. It is also pretty damn thick. Battery isn't that great considering all of this.
I am happy with my Note 4 and would take it over any nexus garbage. To get the new OS sooner you get downgraded hardware.
Only thing nice on the nexus is the screen. But even then it just matches the Note 4. Everything else is a downgrade.
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In no way shape or form does the Nexus 6 compare to the Note 4. I could care less about fast upgrades. I prefer to let the beta testers work out the bugs and get a properly working rom when it's ready.
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The nexus 6 has some major flaws. Camera is a downgrade. Big time. Same as every other nexus. No microsd card slot is a joke. I don't want my files on the cloud. I don't want to not have access to stuff because of a bad cell signal, no cell signal, whatever else beyond my control.
The phone is also gigantic. It is bigger than the iPhone 6 plus which is a gigantic phone to begin with. It is also pretty damn thick. Battery isn't that great considering all of this.
I am happy with my Note 4 and would take it over any nexus garbage. To get the new OS sooner you get downgraded hardware.
Only thing nice on the nexus is the screen. But even then it just matches the Note 4. Everything else is a downgrade.
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The screen on the Nexus isn't even nice... bigger yes, but it is of lesser quality.
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Hello, my name is Firefishe.
I've had my N900A Note 3 since early 2012. Since that time, I've been watching these forums, and the developer community in general, to see what might happen given time for this handset, in terms of customization.
These are key areas for me:
1. Unlocked Bootloader by now
2. Elimination of Knox Corporate Security software for non-corporate users, meaning, most of us.
3. Active ROM Development by the community for this handset. AOSP, here, not just TouchWiz.
Because this is an old handset by technological standards now, I would take the line that no one really gives a flying frack about the bootloader on this thing.
However, even if this is so, why can't I find any relevant information on this one subject: "N900A Bootloader Unlocking."
That subject, when searched, seems to do nothing but bring up ancient hits that have nothing of value, speculation, and other tripe.
I, for one, want to experiment. However, I can't afford the full price of a Nexus 5 or I would have purchased one long ago. I have to buy on contract, and AT&T has the best coverage in my area.
Also, I enjoy my S Pen. (Old Palm Pilot user here.)
So I'm stuck.
Or am I?
Part of the joy of electronics use is making the most if older-but-still-useful hardware. The Note 3 is still a quad core. It handles any game or program I want to use just fine, with no problems.
Is there no one who is working on this device, anymore?
Does any dev on this site have any insight that can be provided as to why this device's bootloader hasn't been unlocked, yet?
Anyway, I'd like to know if there is any private advancement being done on this subject, and would like a private email from anyone who cares to respond.
<firefishe AT Gmail DOT com>
I'm planning on having this handset for some time yet, and long to see Paranoid Android running on it.
If anyone can assist me with this, it would be greatly appreciated.
Best Regards,
-Firefishe
When I bought my Note 3 this June, I was coming from the Galaxy S3, which I had long ago rooted, unlocked, and was running Cyanogenmod on. Little did I know that unlocking the bootloader was not a common thing. And it seems to be becoming less common.
Imagine my surprise when I got home with my new Note 3 and went to the Cyanogenmod site to download and install. I learned a lot in the next few days about bootloaders, Knox, etc. I also learned that the phone I had just entered a two-year contract with was not what I wanted. At least not software wise.
Every day I do a search for Android Unlock Bootloader and check the news of the last 24 hours, hoping for some glitter of hope. I see newer phones, like the LG G3 and Nexus 6, offering bootlader unlocking. I see companies working hard to give their customers what they want - a phone that they can do anything with. And I see Samsung and AT&T doing the opposite - pushing more secure, unbreakable software and bloat out, usually months after their competitors have brought the latest Android OS to their flagship devices.
I did catch a glimpse of hope with Towelroot, and now my phone is rooted. Back in August I caught another glimpse of hope when Dan Rosenberg spoke at the Blackhat conference, saying that any Android bootlader could be unlocked thanks to a security exploit in Snapdragon processors. That hope was quickly diminished by Dan himself when he said not on the Note 3, and Qualcomm said they already patched the exploit.
And just last month I learned of Safestrap and the many ROMs offered as an alternative. I am now running my Bloat 3 on @bri315317 's fantastic Dynamic Rom Xtreme. This is about as close to an unlocked AOSP experience as you can get on the Note 3.
But still every day I search news for any sign of an unlocked bootlader for my phone. Older phones are being exploited. Newer phone as well, usually by the phone makers themselves. But still AT&T and Samsung refuse to give their customers what they want. Complete use of a product that we bought.
So this will be my last Samsung phone. Had I been a bit more patient I would have bought a Nexus 6. For now I have a year and a half to go with my Samsung and AT&T locked device. At least there is a viable alternative with Safestrap and ROM makers like Brian et al.
I sold mine yesterday for "pennies". AT&T Note 3 is the working "brick" phone w/o unlock bootloader. It's a very nice but completely useless for XDA folks. Back to my T-M Galaxy s2 for now. Just wondering what to buy next.
jondoe27 said:
I sold mine yesterday for "pennies". AT&T Note 3 is the working "brick" phone w/o unlock bootloader. It's a very nice but completely useless for XDA folks. Back to my T-M Galaxy s2 for now. Just wondering what to buy next.
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Lol gave up note 3 for s2. I wouldn't do that I'm thinking about getting an Optimus G, even to this day excellent development, but I probably wouldn't sell the note 3 yet tho. I would Odin it back to stock and use the Optimus G for aosp and stuff
We have roms. And KitKat. I'm fine with my note 3 and my note 4 Rom. If u don't know by now, there's a thread in Q&A about flashing other carrier roms. I actually don't mind using Safe strap, it's safer and works fine for my flashing habit. I love my Note 3, and I feel its still one of the best around!
The note 3 came out September of 2013....
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Thanks For Replying
Thanks to everyone who's replied to this thread.
Your comments are appreciated.
-Firefishe
@Firefishe, are you running the stock ROM or have you flashed one of the custom ROMs?
Loved this phone, but with the random reboots, ****ty customer service, locked bootloader and bloat I'll never buy another Samsung or AT&T device again. Count on that.
This is completely speculation but I think this is going to happen down the road. There will come a time where companies will start to lock ALL their bootloaders. Some XDA users will exploit a few workarounds and when they do, those companies will try and "buy them off". If it happens it will take away the "rebels" and add to their "army" and after a while some of the greats on XDA will be working against XDA because of all the money the corporate companies will offer them. Don't get me wrong, there will be some absolute rebels that won't "defect" but at the end of the day it's all about money and trust me if a company is offering you 75 to 100k+ to "defect"and make their security software stronger. It's hard to turn down money of that nature. Just saying though
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They aren't rebels and we aren't the rebellion.
Of course the higher end devs here will tend to end up in programming jobs that directly relate. Hashcode and geohotz are two amazing examples of that.
And now that it is becoming harder and harder to hack some of these devices a few devs can only justify that time with a paycheck. After all if it took 4 guys 4 hours a night for 4 months at what their pay rate of say $40 an hour you're looking at a $76,800 project.
In the end you are right, we will wind up being mostly safestrap and root for the locked devices and full Roms for the specialty devices.
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Exactly.......... whatever he bought in January 2012 must have been a Note since the even the Note 2 was not out before September/October 2012 (I think). I love the Note 3 and with Safestrap and Odin, we can choose between several Kitkat NC2 (4.4.2) roms and use NJ5 (4.4.4) roms including those running Note 4 apps. I was tempted to get the Note 4 but after hearing about the advance specs of the Note 5 (like over 700 ppi display and 4 gigs of ram among other enticing specs). I think I can wait until next September.!
There are always will be competition between amateurs and pros. This forum is the one of the prove. Besides that there is a plenty ambitions ppl who do this just because they like and can. Another thing the companies always are looking for a new recruits to replace a current staff (just cheaper for the business). And don't forget about a competition between big (and small) brands. They will do everything to survive.
Just mine 2c.
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optimusv45 said:
Lol gave up note 3 for s2. I wouldn't do that I'm thinking about getting an Optimus G, even to this day excellent development, but I probably wouldn't sell the note 3 yet tho. I would Odin it back to stock and use the Optimus G for aosp and stuff
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I really like a NOTE 3 just not AT&T brand. And it was kinda useless for me and I barely used it.
I wanted to buy NOTE 4 from T-MOBILE but they didn't want to sell it to me because I'm on prepaid.
I think that as long as there is a community of people looking to fully own their device there will be someone willing to give them what they want.
Some companies could create a brand around a community of smartphone users that really want to own their device and modify it as they wish.
I think the Nexus line is one such example.
If there is demand for something someone, somewhere will provide it.
Are there any business type people here? Anyone that would know or want to start a start up that offers complete freedom to own their device? Sometimes you have to be the change you want to see.
Already been done. It is called one plus one.
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Why do you folks sound so desperate? I'm gonna play you some of my sad banjo music. Lmao [emoji23]
There will ALWAYS be root and ROMs. Making it sound like a battle. Rebels and armies and all that. There is always nexus devices and t-mobile and international phones and other options. Cyanogenmod is coming along the way now and more companies are going to throw it on their devices. Start with oneplus one and we will see more. Just chill out and enjoy safestrap and whatever rom you got running at the moment. You got a device that is not really that far from the note 4, only a few little differences that are not that big of a deal. I mean, I know people that are still running S2 and even older devices just fine. I love my note 3 and won't change it for a while. I AM able to buy the note 4 or any other "flagship" out there, but I really see no point in that. 1080p display with quad core processor and you name it.
from my note 3
Running stock. Rooted. Updated to Safestrap Recovery 3.75 recently. Played around with Dynamic Kat Extreme, but am now back on stock.
mrkhigh said:
The note 3 came out September of 2013....
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I stand corrected.
jondoe27 said:
There are always will be competition between amateurs and pros. This forum is the one of the prove. Besides that there is a plenty ambitions ppl who do this just because they like and can. Another thing the companies always are looking for a new recruits to replace a current staff (just cheaper for the business). And don't forget about a competition between big (and small) brands. They will do everything to survive.
Just mine 2c.
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I really like a NOTE 3 just not AT&T brand. And it was kinda useless for me and I barely used it.
I wanted to buy NOTE 4 from T-MOBILE but they didn't want to sell it to me because I'm on prepaid.
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If you're paying full price and the local dealer won't sell it to you, try another store or buy it off Amazon.
Local dealers, in my experience, aren't always the brightest of beings.
K-alz said:
Why do you folks sound so desperate? I'm gonna play you some of my sad banjo music. Lmao [emoji23]
There will ALWAYS be root and ROMs. Making it sound like a battle. Rebels and armies and all that. There is always nexus devices and t-mobile and international phones and other options. Cyanogenmod is coming along the way now and more companies are going to throw it on their devices. Start with oneplus one and we will see more. Just chill out and enjoy safestrap and whatever rom you got running at the moment. You got a device that is not really that far from the note 4, only a few little differences that are not that big of a deal. I mean, I know people that are still running S2 and even older devices just fine. I love my note 3 and won't change it for a while. I AM able to buy the note 4 or any other "flagship" out there, but I really see no point in that. 1080p display with quad core processor and you name it.
from my note 3
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I guess if I wanted to be status quo, I would not have started a thread like this.
Hi all you Verizon Note 4 owners,
I noticed there wasn't an off topic thread for you guys & gals to talk about non-Note 4 related things, so I've created this place to do just that. This will be the only place off-topic discussions are allowed.
Of course, not anything goes, stick to the rules and keep it civil. Report any questionable post(s) & don't let things get out of hand or it'll be closed.
Thanks & Enjoy!
So anyone read theres speculation that Lollipop isnt coming to the Note 4 till may. Im not too worried about it myself cause my DE is perfect, however my wife is disappointed (she has retail version) as some of her friends got it on their phones (S5, and some other brands) and she cant understand what's taking so long, after I explained things to her shes not convinced and feels lile we are being screwed. Ahh the joys life.
Matttrix said:
So anyone read theres speculation that Lollipop isnt coming to the Note 4 till may. Im not too worried about it myself cause my DE is perfect, however my wife is disappointed (she has retail version) as some of her friends got it on their phones (S5, and some other brands) and she cant understand what's taking so long, after I explained things to her shes not convinced and feels lile we are being screwed. Ahh the joys life.
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I'm in the same boat as you. I got the DE and wife got retail. She wants some lollipop. I told her she's out of luck and the only lollipop she'll be getting is from me lol
I love the android system but there is one game I miss the most from apple. Fantastic Contraption. If you never heard of it YouTube it. It is an amazing game. I am sure this is probably one of the dumbest question ever but can it be ported to android?
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Android_Fr3ak said:
I love the android system but there is one game I miss the most from apple. Fantastic Contraption. If you never heard of it YouTube it. It is an amazing game. I am sure this is probably one of the dumbest question ever but can it be ported to android?
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I miss one thing about apple, camera+ app. The best photo editing app in existence and the developer "tap tap tap" doesn't want to come to android. Just being an a$$.
Other than that apple is like a bad history for me. lol
I learned a shocking feature on iPhones the other day, if you go into the privacy settings there is a feature in there that tracks your address the time you spent there where you travel to everything you do in plain English and very easily accessible. Does android have a feature like that built in? I hope not lol not that I go any place bad it just seemed a little intrusive. I do know they have GPS and all that but that was really precise.
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droidxxxxx said:
I learned a shocking feature on iPhones the other day, if you go into the privacy settings there is a feature in there that tracks your address the time you spent there where you travel to everything you do in plain English and very easily accessible. Does android have a feature like that built in? I hope not lol not that I go any place bad it just seemed a little intrusive. I do know they have GPS and all that but that was really precise.
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I don't know, but we do have a file in the system called "mobile tracker" that is, I think, used to track your phone just in case you lose it. Not sure, but I usually freeze/delete it with titanium back up. Also, if you're rooted, you can always install xprivacy module that prevents anything you suspect.
What's the longest you guys ever went without rooting your devices? I would say a month, I've just gotten my first Android phone (ZTE Warp) and the bootloader wasn't unlocked yet, I checked the forums every day until I seen the almighty *HOW TO ROOT ZTE WARP* boy was I excited. Ever since then I've never owned a android if I couldn't root it but this might be my first time, I'm looking to purchase the note 4 this April or May I only have the option of getting the att&t or Verizon variant (just my luck, lol) most likely I'll chose which ever gets rooted first. I'm sure by either April or May it should be rooted.
MartyMar_XVII said:
What's the longest you guys ever went without rooting your devices? I would say a month, I've just gotten my first Android phone (ZTE Warp) and the bootloader wasn't unlocked yet, I checked the forums every day until I seen the almighty *HOW TO ROOT ZTE WARP* boy was I excited. Ever since then I've never owned a android if I couldn't root it but this might be my first time, I'm looking to purchase the note 4 this April or May I only have the option of getting the att&t or Verizon variant (just my luck, lol) most likely I'll chose which ever gets rooted first. I'm sure by either April or May it should be rooted.
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I had my Verizon HTC One M7 for a couple months before it was rooted, and even then you had to send your phone away and pay $25. I think a month or two after that beaups and someone else came up with a method that worked pretty well on linux and that was it. Then I had the M8 for a couple of months until there was a way but it also cost $25 and ran directly on the phone. I'm not so much concerned about root, really. I just want ****ing lollipop.
Hey everyone. Trafalger888. Used to be an RC but haven't been around for a couple years. Life happened. Just getting back into everything. Lits of catching up to do. Just wanted to make a quick introduction.
murderdock said:
I had my Verizon HTC One M7 for a couple months before it was rooted, and even then you had to send your phone away and pay $25. I think a month or two after that beaups and someone else came up with a method that worked pretty well on linux and that was it. Then I had the M8 for a couple of months until there was a way but it also cost $25 and ran directly on the phone. I'm not so much concerned about root, really. I just want ****ing lollipop.
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U gotta be [email protected]$!n me! You had to send your phone away? Lol
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You know I wasn't so bothered at first by the lack of lollipop, in my past I was changing roms several times a week or day to get things going however thats changed now since I got my DE. What bothers me now now about the delay and the S6 and other things do I want to stay with Samsung anymore after this breaks or I want a new phone. Is it really time to say that Samsung is just isnt what it could should be?
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You know I wasn't so bothered at first by the lack of lollipop, in my past I was changing roms several times a week or day to get things going however thats changed now since I got my DE. What bothers me now now about the delay and the S6 and other things do I want to stay with Samsung anymore after this breaks or I want a new phone. Is it really time to say that Samsung is just isnt what it could should be?
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I don't know. I have always enjoyed their product. But the delays can be frustrating. I agree. This is the one thing lacking for me. Yet I still continue to purchase their phones, because in the end they still do make the best phone. Just my opinion of course.
My wife has a retail note 4 and while she doesn't understand all the issues tied with lollipop right now she feels dumped. I dont see the big deal myself as im happy the way my phone is however for roms things have been VERY slow going... but then again im not really sure what other roms are going to bring that I cant do myself. Which I think most of us DE owners can do. I think if root was found and oprn bootloader things might be alot different but whats bothering me is Samsung's direction right now. If this is signs of the Note 5 and 6 etc. I just might go elsewhere. Some videos were released today showing the note 4 against the S6 and only slight speed differences in actual use and even camera loading. So over all for now Im happy to have a removable battery and SD card and a unlocked bootloader.
I can imagine how overloaded this section will be the minute root has been achieved, 404 errors and everything, lol. Anyway being that this is a off topic thread, I would like to say that the snow here in NY is annoying -__- .
How about the release of Sprints SM-N910P Lolipop.. Two questions who wants to see what they can do with it and see what works (of course it will lack advanced calling version X. Then comes the question will this influence Verizon to release it.
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My wife has a retail note 4 and while she doesn't understand all the issues tied with lollipop right now she feels dumped. I dont see the big deal myself as im happy the way my phone is however for roms things have been VERY slow going... but then again im not really sure what other roms are going to bring that I cant do myself. Which I think most of us DE owners can do. I think if root was found and oprn bootloader things might be alot different but whats bothering me is Samsung's direction right now. If this is signs of the Note 5 and 6 etc. I just might go elsewhere. Some videos were released today showing the note 4 against the S6 and only slight speed differences in actual use and even camera loading. So over all for now Im happy to have a removable battery and SD card and a unlocked bootloader.
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And yes root and an open bootloader would be nice. Look what happened with the S3 though. But I truly feel that the release and things like the locked bootloaders are not so much the manufacturer but the carrier. I may be wrong but I beleieve that pressure from the carrier is the main reason they do this.
What are the chances of me swapping a one month old Note 4 for a Nexus 6? Good or slim to none
Did you use a regular 2 year upgrade or edge to get the note 4?
Your best bet would be calling customer service. But even that is entirely dependent on how nice of a rep you get. If one says no politely hang up and call back. They make notes on your account when you call so don't call a bunch in 1 day. I work at an authorized retailer and most stores can't do anything after the 14 days.
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Samsung vs. HTC now that some key features are being taken away. Hmm.