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A major plus with the SGSII is the Gorilla Glass on the display, but the million dollar question is what it has on the camera lens?
I love not having to worry about the screen on my Nokia N8 (also Gorilla glass), but am always wary about the camera lens which is "scratch resistent mineral glass" although it's generally recessed in its housing enough not to be a real issue.
Looking at the SGSII videos and pictures, however, it looks as though it will rest solidly - and directly - on the lens cover of the camera in the back (and of couse that's not part of an easily replacable component like the battery hatch).
So - are we going to be able to put our phones down face up without worry?
You shouldn't worry, scratches on lenses isn't really a problem. The reason is a because of how optics in lenses/cameras work. The surface on the lense is so far from focus that a scratch on the lens isn't projected on the lens as a scratch. Of course, a big damage will cause visible effects though.
I'd really like to add some links with info, but I'm not allowed, really a pity that new users cannot prove their information.
But try to google:
kurtmunger dirty lens
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for some info
Isn't the SGS and ALL iPhones supposed to have 'Gorrilla Glass'? iPhone's shatter like no-one's business; is it a lie? Like the cake?
Apple doesn't use Gorilla Glass
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2010/06/25/ifixit-backtracks-on-iphone-4-gorilla-glass-claim/
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Isn't the SGS and ALL iPhones supposed to have 'Gorrilla Glass'? iPhone's shatter like no-one's business; is it a lie? Like the cake?
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Depends how you abuse a phone. iPhones shatter because they are small and slick and have hard metal around the edge that directly transfers impact force to everything else because it is the frame of the phone (plastic or metal that is attached to frame would dampen the impact somewhat) Also I think it is the back of the iPhone that shatters, and that glass is not as good as the screen glass.
tjtj4444: great first post. I agree 100%, small scratches are not visible to the image sensor when focused on something far away. A finger smudge is worse. So I hope those lenses are oleophobic
The camera cover on the Samsung Galaxy S2 is suppose to be depressed behind the phone. I don't think it will be vulnerable to scratches and severe damage. However, as in the case of all tech-gadgets, over the years of ownership, there should be visible signs of wear and tear. If these signs of wear of don't appear over time, then I have to say, you must be a very careful owner, lol.
I'm none too worried about an odd scratch, but more of multiple scratches. I remember being crushed when my Samsung i900 arrived with two scratches on the lens, but they never affected the photos.
On my Desire, however, I got so many scratches that they caught enough light to have the same effect as grease on the lens. Fortunately with the Desire, I replaced the battery cover multiple times and eventually just popped the lens cover out of one.
So, no, an occasional scratch won't ruin it forever, but multiple, repeated scratches will.
Gorilla glass isn't even that good honestly. It seems to be great for demonstrations where people actively try to damage it with keys and stuff but when you use it in the real world, stuff like sand and fine debris can easily mess the screen up.
On the forums here, someone stated that their LG Optimus 2X screen shattered and he is looking for a replacement, he eventually found the necessary parts, but my thought is that if it can shatter with just a drop, whats to say that this is a one time occurrence? Although there is no doubt its stronger than mineral glass and Apple's Glass.
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Gorilla glass isn't even that good honestly. It seems to be great for demonstrations where people actively try to damage it with keys and stuff but when you use it in the real world, stuff like sand and fine debris can easily mess the screen up.
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Im not so sure about that; I had my Captivate for about 7 months and nnever used a screen protecter.
I dropped the phone multiple times from various heights along with bumps, bangs,and stuffing in pockets.
Not a single scratch; the phone looked like hell too, However if you cover the body you'd think it was new.
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i used samsung omnia hd for 1 and a half year without any screen protector. and when i sold it, not even a single scratch wwas there. gorilla glass really works
Is there any official confirmation of Gorilla Glass?
Yeah, it definitely works. The flooring in my bathroom almost has a sandpaper consistency (yeah, lovely, I know, but it's a rental flat), and my record of inflicting damage on my phones is nothing I'm proud of, but I mostly blame that da%& flooring.
And, yet, I must have slid my Nokia N8 face down across that thing like 4-5 times and there's not a mark on the glass (the anodized aluminum is another matter unfortunately).
I'd be gutted if it turned out the SGSII didn't have Gorilla Glass. Last thing I need now is another phone with a grease-magnet screen protector.
I am sure Gorilla Glass is great but does it TRULY protect it against scratches from daily use?
Thats what they said about the iPhone but you do end up getting it scratched.
Perhaps Invisible shield for the back and sides and go bare in the front would be the optimal way.
You have to distinguish between scratching the actual screen versus scratching the oleophobic coating off. The iPhone has had the coating since the 3GS so it's a lot easier to scratch it off than to actually scratch the screen.
I've had a Vibrant (Gorilla Glass with no coating) and a few Nexus S's (no gorilla glass but oleophobic coating) and I abused the crap out of the Vibrant but it stayed flawless. The Nexus S... had the coating come off but if you clean it well you won't notice until you grease up the screen again, then the lack of coating becomes apparent. Even still, it stood up pretty well and it feels amazing compared to a screen without the coating.
dhruvmalik said:
I am sure Gorilla Glass is great but does it TRULY protect it against scratches from daily use?
Thats what they said about the iPhone but you do end up getting it scratched.
Perhaps Invisible shield for the back and sides and go bare in the front would be the optimal way.
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So a screen protector is not needed or to have it is just a benefit?
If it has Gorilla Glass, I will definitely be going without a screen protector.
Sure an added layer of protection wouldn't hurt, but it comes at the cost of a plastic protector that attracts more dust and grime, detracting from the touch, feel and appearance of the device.
i'm sure it will have gorilla glass.... that seemed to be the trend with this past gen of samsung's Galaxy labeled phones
Of course we know it's got Gorilla Glass on the screen, but anyone know about the lens?
Just an FYI, I've read lots of posts by SGS owners who got scratches on the screen just by carrying the phone in their pocket. I don't doubt any of the reports by posters here, but Google "I scratched my Gorilla glass" and you might not be so confident.
[With pics] How to replace only the glass (not the whole "LCD") on a Galaxy S3!
You don't.
Although it is entirely possible, the chance of failure if done by people with absolutely no experience with mobile phone repairs is very high.
If you've broken the screen on your Samsung Galaxy S3 and have considered replacing the screen by yourself because your local mobile phone repair shops charge a hefty price for the repair, you should reconsider. You may have seen videos like the following that make it seem it is very easy to replace the glass only:
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Maybe it seemed too easy. That's because it was too easy. Chances are those screens have already been replaced before by a third party who has access to professional equipment and skills. Possibly the screen has been broken more than once?
Even if you do successfully replace the glass only, it is guaranteed that you will get scratches, dust, fingerprints and adhesive marks on the Super AMOLED panel, no matter how much you clean it. That's because you won't be doing the repair with gloves on in a clean room free of dust. And that's not all - after a few weeks or months of use, dust will somehow find a way to get in between the glass and SAMOLED+ panel because you didn't use machine-cut adhesive that adheres your glass perfectly, leaving no gap for dust to get in. Your screen's touch sensitivity will drop as well, since it's not making adequate contact with the digitizer. And on top of that, the visibility will also drop.
Those problems don't show up on camera, and can easily be masked/hidden from the camera, too.
If this is only your first time breaking the screen on your S3, those tutorials won't work for you because your screen was manufactured as one whole piece by Samsung. The glass on your phone won't fall out by itself because the whole glass is optically laminated to the SAMOLED+ panel using a Liquid Optically Clear Adhesive, or LOCA for short. This kind of adhesive is a little bit sensitive to heat, but can't be completely removed because it is cured using UV light, not heat.
Optical lamination is a manufacturing process employed in more high end mobile devices that eliminate the air gap usually present between the display panel (usually either LCD or AMOLED) and the glass digitizer panel on top. Phones such as the Samsung Galaxy S3, S4, Note 2 and Note 3, iPhone 4/4S/5/5S/5C, HTC One X, One, Butterfly, Droid DNA, LG Nexus 4, Nexus 5, Sony Xperia Z, Z1, Z Ultra etc. have displays that are optically laminated. Optical lamination has a number of advantages:
Visibility is increased (especially under sunlight), since there aren't multiple layers reflecting ambient light creating optical interference
Screen clarity is increased, since optical lamination makes the display look like it is on top of the glass as opposed to being under it
It is impossible for debris like dirt and dust to get trapped in the air gap between the display and glass, because that gap is filled with LOCA
Higher contrast ratio, because there's less light reflecting off the parts of the screen that aren't emitting light
But the biggest disadvantage is the increased cost of repair. That's what you have to pay for all those aforementioned advantages. It also certainly doesn't help that the screens are getting thinner and thinner every year. The likelihood of breaking the screen increases every year too.
Here's a little photo album that I'd like to share with everyone documenting my experiences trying to remove the glass from full original Samsung screens that haven't been replaced or tampered with before. Click to enlarge.
This is a picture of the Black Samsung Galaxy S3 GT-i9300. Only the glass was broken, so I attempted to separate it from the AMOLED panel using a heat gun and some plastic pry tools. So far so good, until the AMOLED panel broke because it is optically bonded to the glass and also stuck to the frame underneath it. You can still see some LOCA on the AMOLED panel and glass.
Second is the Galaxy S4 GT-i9505. It was broken on the top half, so I started removing the glass from the bottom. Again, the LOCA wasn't very cooperative, staying quite solid throughout the removal. Eventually, the S4's AMOLED panel broke too.
It didn't look like the broken original Samsung screens wanted to be separated, so I moved on to fully intact screens.
It was a pain trying to separate this one. The adhesive was very difficult to remove, and the screen's touch digitizer circuit and polarizer started to separate from the AMOLED panel. As you can see, the glass came off intact, but the AMOLED underneath was completely destroyed.
It doesn't look like the digitizer circuit/polarizer is bonded to the AMOLED. It just gets sandwiched on top, so it is very easy to unintentionally separate it from the AMOLED instead of leaving it on and only removing the glass, especially if the glass is smashed into a thousand fragments. The glass was in one piece though, and you can see how that turned out.
This is a good representation of what the AMOLED sandwich consists of. From top to bottom:
Gorilla Glass
Touch digitizer circuit/polarizer (you can see the rest of the glass is a lot darker than the top left corner where polarizer was removed)
AMOLED panel (it looks very reflective without the polarizer on top of it)
Midframe
Some of the AMOLED panel itself came off and was still stuck to the glass!
You can see how thin and fragile the AMOLED panel is on the Samsung Galaxy S series phones. Sure, it's thin, but is it worth it? The panel has to be supported by the frame and the glass to stay intact. The panel on the S4 has a slimmed down bezel and was made thinner again, so it's a lot easier to break the AMOLED on the S4 than it is on the S3.
Ugh, don't even get me started with the iPhone 5 screen. LCDs are more robust than AMOLEDS but still...so much LOCA...so much glass...
Sure, these glass panels can be had for about $10, but is it worth all the effort to end up with a screen full of dust and fingerprints, has a warped frame and will eventually come loose and fall off, or simply just to destroy the AMOLED panel then spending extra money on a whole display assembly? Reapplying the glass leaving no gaps for dust to get in requires adhesive that is machine-cut perfectly for your frame.
Edit: Even then, you still don't have any LOCA or the necessary facilities to fill that air gap. (Thanks to @KrzychuG !)
Do you have what it takes?
Sorry for such a long post. I'm spending my time, efforts and money so you don't have to. I will occasionally add to this thread when I get more screens to experiment with.
This is a good video on how these screens can be separated and replaced with a perfect bubble-free and dust-free finish:
Most of the time its a better idea to just buy an entire replacement. I've replaced glass on nexus 7's and Galaxy Note2's a few times. it's not fun to replace glass or lamination, and it's just a whole lot easier to purchase a "parts" phone with a working display from ebay and swap out boards. Glass is one of my least favorite things to play with.
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This is a good video on how these screens can be separated and replaced with a perfect bubble-free and dust-free finish:
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Awesome dude! thanks alot for the tutorial, but i dont think people have industrial size vacuums in their house, lol,
Thank you so much, this is very helpful!
Can I ask how you got the information? That would be very useful to do further research about other devices
Thanks again!
I will never, ever separate the glass and the screen. I know that it will break for sure. When I replace phone glass, I replace the entire front screen assembly which includes the glass, screen, and any frame to attach it into the phone. Even if it's just the glass that's broken and the LCD still works, still replace the entire front assembly.
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Awesome dude! thanks alot for the tutorial, but i dont think people have industrial size vacuums in their house, lol,
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I think the point is that unless you have all this stuff you shouldn't be even attempting to replace the glass.
i have tried this multiple times and all i can say is for anyone at home wihtout the professional equipment your not gonna get anywhere.. this isnt like and iPhone 3G/S where you take the screen off and seperate the LCD from the digitizer with a heatgun or hairdryer, ive tried all possible ways an failed every single time, either broken AMOLED or in some cases half the AMOLED comes off with the adheasive...
just save your money and buy the digitizer with the AMOLED attached..
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I will never, ever separate the glass and the screen. I know that it will break for sure. When I replace phone glass, I replace the entire front screen assembly which includes the glass, screen, and any frame to attach it into the phone. Even if it's just the glass that's broken and the LCD still works, still replace the entire front assembly.
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but what will you do with the old screen with the broken front glass ?
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but what will you do with the old screen with the broken front glass ?
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Chuck it
I have replaced many screens, and in my experience, you're always best buying everything as readily assembled as possible. Out of 5 attempts at separating the S3 Glass from the AMOLED panel, I have managed it twice without breaking the AMOLED, and that involves also keeping the digitser intact as well, which is between the outer glass and the AMOLED.
Back when I was doing this, you were looking at £175+ for the complete assembly, so to some people, £20 at a risk was worth it if I could manage it. Now though they're cheap enough to replace the whole lot without the worry.
There is an app on Play Store called ifixit which gives pretty detailed step-by-step instructions for most DIY teardowns and fixes for phones, tablets, consoles and even some household applicances, and they have a website too. Unfortunately, it's only experience (and expense) that make you realise that just because they make it look doable, it doesn't mean everyone can do it easily. There are many, many pitfalls that you will only discover yourself when you take on these DIY repairs, to the point where I don't do them all that often anymore, just because it's too stressful and costly if it goes wrong. My first iPhone 4 (am I allowed to say that here? ) screen replacement took me 3 hours just because of how careful I was. Now I can do it in 20 minutes, just because of experience. But even then you can be plagued with problems for no apparent reason. If you don't handle stress well, my best advice is to leave it to the experts
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I have replaced many screens, and in my experience, you're always best buying everything as readily assembled as possible. Out of 5 attempts at separating the S3 Glass from the AMOLED panel, I have managed it twice without breaking the AMOLED, and that involves also keeping the digitser intact as well, which is between the outer glass and the AMOLED.
Back when I was doing this, you were looking at £175+ for the complete assembly, so to some people, £20 at a risk was worth it if I could manage it. Now though they're cheap enough to replace the whole lot without the worry.
There is an app on Play Store called ifixit which gives pretty detailed step-by-step instructions for most DIY teardowns and fixes for phones, tablets, consoles and even some household applicances, and they have a website too. Unfortunately, it's only experience (and expense) that make you realise that just because they make it look doable, it doesn't mean everyone can do it easily. There are many, many pitfalls that you will only discover yourself when you take on these DIY repairs, to the point where I don't do them all that often anymore, just because it's too stressful and costly if it goes wrong. My first iPhone 4 (am I allowed to say that here? ) screen replacement took me 3 hours just because of how careful I was. Now I can do it in 20 minutes, just because of experience. But even then you can be plagued with problems for no apparent reason. If you don't handle stress well, my best advice is to leave it to the experts
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you musty be really good out of i think 7 possible 8, i have managed to seperate once, but still i scratched the AMOLED...
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you musty be really good out of i think 7 possible 8, i have managed to seperate once, but still i scratched the AMOLED...
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It never feels like I'm very good when I see the screen go though. Just that sick feeling :/
Saying that as well, I gave the phones back to whoever they belonged to when they were done. There's nothing to say that a couple of weeks/months down the line they faced the problems of dust under the glass, touchscreen sensitivity reduced etc. They were just happy to get them back 'looking' perfect.
Never again
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It never feels like I'm very good when I see the screen go though. Just that sick feeling :/
Saying that as well, I gave the phones back to whoever they belonged to when they were done. There's nothing to say that a couple of weeks/months down the line they faced the problems of dust under the glass, touchscreen sensitivity reduced etc. They were just happy to get them back 'looking' perfect.
Never again
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your right, quallity also plays a BIG part aswell, like you said never know what could happen, but better brands generally have better touch respones and just generally more smoothe, i knew someone who had just got the digitizer replaced by a phone repair shop, they couldnt use their phone in the wind thats how bad the replacement was..
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thank you, says my sii p
you saved a sii today, i'm using my phone without screen protection so it gets scratches after long times and i said to myself that's ok, i will replace the gorilla glass. that would be open the phone replace it then close it and i will have a new sii p again but sounds it's not that easy.
Very interesting thread.
I must be lucky,as on several occasions with most phones I have owned (HTC Desire hd, HTC One X, HTC One,Nexus 5, Samsung Note 3) I have accidentally dropped my phone. I've never had a case on and have on some occasions been unlucky to have the phone land on the screen, it has happened indoors and outdoors, on concrete and tarmac, despite this I haven't ever broken the glass.
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Chuck it
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I wouldn't follow the advice to "Chuck it". We purchase these cracked glass assemblies as long as the touch screen and LCD still work fine. We can pay up to $100 PER screen, depending on the model. PM us for prices for bulk orders.
I very recently bought myself an used Galaxy S3 and to my great disappointment the glass has no scratches because it has been replaced. Now I got ****ty touchscreen response and already dust is gathering between the digitizer and the glass. I might try to sell it off and buy myself another one, this time checking very carefully that everything is in perfect working condition!
So much for thinking I had found a bargain for this fantastic phone (which, despite the problems, is a nice upgrade from my Galaxy Ace!)
MobileEMT said:
I wouldn't follow the advice to "Chuck it". We purchase these cracked glass assemblies as long as the touch screen and LCD still work fine. We can pay up to $100 PER screen, depending on the model. PM us for prices for bulk orders.
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Really? I have a crapload
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Really? I have a crapload
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Good to hear! We'll PM you. Feel free to contact us if you would like to sell or refurbish them.
I have owned my sharp aquos crystal for about five days. No case no screen protector. Only after five days did I notice scratches all around the glass panel. Is anyone else besides me experiencing this problem. Is there a safe way to remove the scratches (they are light but I can see them still)
it isn't glass, that is why. it is made of plastic
Seeing that the front panel is completely covered in "glass" that actually is raised it would've been very stupid of sharp to use real glass. Even gorilla glass 3 will shatter with a drop if it is on a phone in the manner that it is on the aquos
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it isn't glass, that is why. it is made of plastic
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Technically 'Acrylic'. But yes this phone will scratch pretty easily and the type of material it is will leave a pretty visible mark if it's deep enough.
Similar to this http://www.popularmechanics.com/cm/popularmechanics/images/A0/windshield-scratches-1211-mdn.jpg
Good news is that it won't break as easily if dropped, but say good by to those nice corners.
I only have had tge phone for like four days and it has three really bad scratches and one of the scratches is long and straight down near the center of the screen. DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO REMOVE SCRATCHES FROM ACRYLIC. I tried toothpaste but it did Bad enough the light bleed is distracting, now i have to be annoyed by this as well. Please help.
Scratches
I have the 306SH for 2 weeks and no scratches yet.
5 days old and two scratches later. Observations
My Aquos is now 5 days old and I can see two very fine 1/2" scratches already. I fear for the worst on this device over time. I had a ZTE N9500 with Gorilla glass and it was tough as nails. It had a very good feel when touched and was good at not holding fingerprints. I also use a capacitive touch pen stylus on the phones for notes and there I can see a noticeable difference. The glass is just superior. The Aquos is pretty, but it's Acrylic screen hold fingerprints far worst than the glass. With regards to the stylus, it's almost unusable on the Aquos screen. It's doesn't slide smooth and kind of sticks to the screen as its being dragged creating breaks in the lines being drawn. Anyone using a capacitive stylus with the squishy rubber bulb top to avoid fat finger keyboarding maybe deeply disappointed with this screen.
You guys don't believe in screen protectors? All my phones have gorilla glass but I still have screen protectors on them. Scratches will always happen sooner or later on phones eventually.
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You guys don't believe in screen protectors? All my phones have gorilla glass but I still have screen protectors on them. Scratches will always happen sooner or later on phones eventually.
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do they make screen protectors for the beveled edges on the side?
Tempered glass screen protector for 306SH on Amazon, google it.
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Only had my YD206 for 2 days, and the rear screen got some bad looking scratches. Was in my pocket with only a very small (thumb size) aerosol dispenser which apart from a smooth rounded edge body has a plastic cap with so-so sharp top edges. Anyway, it left a couple of deep looking scratches that won't rub away.
I wish I had taken some pics before I started, so your just have to believe me:
I very carefully (and with my heart in my mouth) applied a tiny amount of toothpaste with my finger to the deepest scratch near the top of the screen. I used circular motions with my finger for about 15 seconds and then another 15 seconds with a kitchen towel. I then cleaned it off with a little water and a clean kitchen towel. Once dry I could barely see the original marks so I repeated it on a longer scratch/scuff on the middle of the screen. The marks which were very obvious to any casual user are now almost invisible.
However, I've observed that if a put a water drop on an area of the screen that I didn't use the toothpaste on, the droplet beads and will roll off if you tilt the device. If I put a droplet on a treated area it disperses and leaves a dark wet patch. This will disappear if the you dry it completely.
This leaves me to belief that the so called Gorilla Glass 3 (advertised as on the rear screen too) is not so, but is a cheap liquid glass coating which I have just rubbed off.
I have since ordered some liquid glass protector from Amazon (Crystalusion Liquid Glass - product no: B0094EETOG), maybe that will stay on and offer some protection. I don't really want to put a film protector on the back, it would spoil the look and feel. I will post the results.
I was just wondering whether I should rub the whole of the rear display with toothpaste to prime it for the liquid glass. Any thoughts?
Interesting observation. Have any one applied a tempered glass to the back e-ink screen?
I agree, on the Chinese phones, both screens are made from cheap glass, easily scratches and cracks. Curved gorilla glass must cost a lot!
It makes me wonder about the battery and other internal electronics too.
Great idea about the toothpaste.
I ordered a film for the EPD display.
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I agree, on the Chinese phones, both screens are made from cheap glass, easily scratches and cracks. Curved gorilla glass must cost a lot!
It makes me wonder about the battery and other internal electronics too.
Great idea about the toothpaste.
I ordered a film for the EPD display.
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Why are you saying so? YD206 should just differ in LTE bands, the phone is the same.
By the way which film for EPD display you ordered? I want to try the one described here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/yotaphone-one/accessories/screen-protector-t3097978/page1
But I can't find it anymore.
I am saying phones from Chinese retailers all seem to have components that differ in quality from the old yotaphones assembled in Singapore. I have only a yd206 but I imagine Yd201 is the same. Real Gorilla glass does not scratch and break so easily.
I very carefully (and with my heart in my mouth) applied a tiny amount of toothpaste with my finger to the deepest scratch near the top of the screen. I used circular motions with my finger for about 15 seconds and then another 15 seconds with a kitchen towel. I then cleaned it off with a little water and a clean kitchen towel. Once dry I could barely see the original marks so I repeated it on a longer scratch/scuff on the middle of the screen. The marks which were very obvious to any casual user are now almost invisible.
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You can do the same with scrached watchs, but for better result some great product exists , like polywatch (and it's cheat, about 5$ for a tube)
satsuki_yatoshi said:
You can do the same with scrached watchs, but for better result some great product exists , like polywatch (and it's cheat, about 5$ for a tube)
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Thanks for heads up on polywatch, that looks very interesting so I might get some. After using the toothpaste the other day, I bought another brand (Arm & Hammer) and was conscious that it was more gritty than the stuff I used on the phone (Colgate). I wouldn't have liked to use that on the rear screen.
To add to the Gorilla glass comments, if you go to the corning_dot_com web site they list the manufacturers that are licensed/authorized to use it. Yotaphone are not listed unless or course the phones are built by one of the listed suppliers. Of course that would suggest that the Russian built phones don't use Gorilla glass either - Any comments from Yotaphone on this (if your listening of course)?
I managed to drop my YD206 in my garage. Tried to catch it mid-air but failed miserably so things got worse by spinning like crazy before hitting on the rough concrete. the phone flipped a few times on the concrete for 40-50cm before coming to rest on the front screen.
Bad news are: Back glass is shattered at the lower right "corner" where the first impact seemed to be.
Good news are: Front screen and frame don't have a single, not even tiny scratch! Even though it flipped like crazy and i saw dusty and dirty hit spots where the front screen hit the edgy concrete. EPD still works 100% and glass fragments seem to hold in place (except for a small edge missing in the corner.) I'm impressed and I bet my front screen would be gone if it wasn't some higher quality glass.
I agree, it's only the curved glass that is a cheap fake version. Front glass scratches easily but seems tough.
Finally got the Crystalusion and applied it. I didn't bother to prime the rest of the phone like I said I might and I didn't need too.
Now the phone surface beads water drops and the areas I rubbed down don't absorb water like they did before.
Whether or not the surface will be protected by the coating I don't know. It doesn't feel any different, so only time will tell if it resists scratching and abrasion.
If I remember I will revisit this thread say 4 or 6 months in the future and report back.
I applied a film to the EPD back of mine, I used the supplied wet and dry wipes but there were still a few bubbles. It was extremely difficult to get rid of the bubbles, some remained.
The EPD touch screen works fine still, the phone looks almost as good as before. The film did not stick as well on curved sides as on front, but ok.
But, as someone has already written, the clarity of the screen has improved greatly, there is no more "matte" appearance (due to removal of the cheap coating). It looks like a transparent plain glass screen now. In short the EPD looks much clearer. I love EPD screen now and I am using it much more, well, ALWAYS, in fact. 11 hours battery.
The Yotaphone 2 phones bought from China EPD have NO gorilla glass is my conclusion, I agree with apludgate, just this cheap coating. The huge drop in price of the yotaphone in 2015/16 begins to become clearer, but I am very pleased to have had the chance to buy a Yotaphone. It would be interesting to know the REAL technical differences of the Chinese and Russian phone specs.
Now just awaiting next drop of phone of course
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I applied a film to the EPD back of mine, I used the supplied wet and dry wipes but there were still a few bubbles. It was extremely difficult to get rid of the bubbles, some remained.
The EPD touch screen works fine still, the phone looks almost as good as before. The film did not stick as well on curved sides as on front, but ok.
But, as someone has already written, the clarity of the screen has improved greatly, there is no more "matte" appearance (due to removal of the cheap coating). It looks like a transparent plain glass screen now. In short the EPD looks much clearer. I love EPD screen now and I am using it much more, well, ALWAYS, in fact. 11 hours battery.
The Yotaphone 2 phones bought from China EPD have NO gorilla glass is my conclusion, I agree with apludgate, just this cheap coating. The huge drop in price of the yotaphone in 2015/16 begins to become clearer, but I am very pleased to have had the chance to buy a Yotaphone. It would be interesting to know the REAL technical differences of the Chinese and Russian phone specs.
Now just awaiting next drop of phone of course
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Where have you found back screen film? And how manage to use it even if the film doesn't stick on curved sides? It sould peel off eventually...
I also would like to see if the clarity improves, and what are the cons of not having the standard coating anymore.
I found glass and film on aliexpress (of course), only 3-4 usd for a set of 2 pieces.
It sticks, but not so well on curved sides as you can see from the photo. Yes it will peel off eventually.
But the vast improvement in clarity was surprising.
The fake "gorilla" glass, no doubt, offers very little protection, it was just added to make it look like a genuine yotaphone.
I would advise all owners of yotaphones bought in China to buy silicon Bumper and screen protection.
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I found glass and film on aliexpress (of course), only 3-4 usd for a set of 2 pieces.
It sticks, but not so well on curved sides as you can see from the photo. Yes it will peel off eventually.
But the vast improvement in clarity was surprising.
The fake "gorilla" glass, no doubt, offers very little protection, it was just added to make it look like a genuine yotaphone.
I would advise all owners of yotaphones bought in China to buy silicon Bumper and screen protection.
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Yeah I have a bumper and a film for the front screen, but I think I'll not buy yours for the problem in photo. As previously said in this thread, I was searching something like the film described HERE but couldn't find any...
Sounds impressive. It looks very clear in the photo.
Does your screen appear matte, like mine did before?
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Sounds impressive. It looks very clear in the photo.
Does your screen appear matte, like mine did before?
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I found it! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yota-YotaPhone-2-INVISIBLE-Screen-Protector-Shield-Full-Clear-Skin-Front-Back-/171744750586?clk_rvr_id=1141685710269&rmvSB=true
And yes, my back screen is matte and VERY slippery, I hope that with the film above it will be no more slippery. For now I'm using a bumper, otherwise the smartphone is almost unusable
Full body protection
This one one amazon, i purchased but it still on the way
smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B018835YB0/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Full body with supporting website iqshield.com/fbscins.html
I'll try and feed back.
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I found it! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yota-YotaPhone-2-INVISIBLE-Screen-Protector-Shield-Full-Clear-Skin-Front-Back-/171744750586?clk_rvr_id=1141685710269&rmvSB=true
And yes, my back screen is matte and VERY slippery, I hope that with the film above it will be no more slippery. For now I'm using a bumper, otherwise the smartphone is almost unusable
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The same one as that one on Aliexpress is 2.20 USD = 1.50 British pounds including free delivery, 5 times cheaper, where the guy in Derby probably buys them from.
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The same one as that one on Aliexpress is 2.20 USD = 1.50 British pounds including free delivery, 5 times cheaper, where the guy in Derby probably buys them from.
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I checked and couldn't tell if those are the same the guy of xda reviewed in the post I linked.
Hi @ all,
I noticed quite a lot of micro scratches on my phone's display. They are not clearly visible, it depends how the light is shining against the display and on the angle. But I am really disappointed with gorilla glass 5. I own the phone for about 2 and a half months now... I use a case/bumper but no screen protective film but I treat my phone very carefully and it always goes into my pocket without any other things, just the phone. I did the same thing with my older S2, S5 and S7 and never got any scratches.
Is it normal for gorilla glass 5 to scratch so easily? I talked with my vendor and he would swap it for another unit using the warranty. But here comes my question: is the display with the red tint still an issue on new units? Could I risk getting a faulty reddish display? Because then I'd rather stick with my micro scratches and live with it.
Thanks a lot.
Yes, you will probably get a reddish display.
No, it is not faulty, it's just how it is.
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Yes, you will probably get a reddish display.
No, it is not faulty, it's just how it is.
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I ask this because my display has a good white tone and luckily no reddish tint at all. Is the reddish display still an issue with actual units?
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I ask this because my display has a good white tone and luckily no reddish tint at all. Is the reddish display still an issue with actual units?
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Are you using adaptive display ?
Most displays will show reddish on other modes but white on adaptive.
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Are you using adaptive display ?
Most displays will show reddish on other modes but white on adaptive.
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Yes I am using adaptive display but I had previus units which I returned for reddish display even in adaptive display mode. My actual display is fine, despite some micro scratches... don't know if I should bother returning it again and risking to get a reddish display... don't know if it's worth the risk or just stick with the barely visibile micro scratches. What would you do in my situation?
Scratches are normal. Gorilla Glass 5 traded some surface hardness for more resistance to shattering. Basically, the harder the display the easier it brakes but doesn't scratch so much.
So gg4 was more scratch resistant than gg5. But I'd take a scratches but not broken screen over the other way round...
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Scratches are normal. Gorilla Glass 5 traded some surface hardness for more resistance to shattering. Basically, the harder the display the easier it brakes but doesn't scratch so much.
So gg4 was more scratch resistant than gg5. But I'd take a scratches but not broken screen over the other way round...
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Thanks for the info To be honest, I really don't know what is worse, having a naked display with some barely visible scratches or "ruin" such a great display with a screen protector. :laugh: I hate screen protective films, these displays are just too awesome and should be enjoyed naked without having the fear of scratching them... I ordered a screen protective film but I don't know yet if I will go through the hassle of putting it on, it just doesn't feel right for me.
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Hi @ all,
I noticed quite a lot of micro scratches on my phone's display. They are not clearly visible, it depends how the light is shining against the display and on the angle. But I am really disappointed with gorilla glass 5. I own the phone for about 2 and a half months now... I use a case/bumper but no screen protective film but I treat my phone very carefully and it always goes into my pocket without any other things, just the phone. I did the same thing with my older S2, S5 and S7 and never got any scratches.
Is it normal for gorilla glass 5 to scratch so easily? I talked with my vendor and he would swap it for another unit using the warranty. But here comes my question: is the display with the red tint still an issue on new units? Could I risk getting a faulty reddish display? Because then I'd rather stick with my micro scratches and live with it.
Thanks a lot.
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i just got my s8 and now ur making me worried, how bad are the scratches really? like bothersome ones you can see when using the device easily? or little scuff/rub marks
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i just got my s8 and now ur making me worried, how bad are the scratches really? like bothersome ones you can see when using the device easily? or little scuff/rub marks
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I first noticed them in a shop which had very bright and glaring room light. I was looking at my phone while the light was shining directly on the display. It was a coincidence more or less, who knows how long they have been there without me noticing them. In everyday use they are barely to not noticeable at all. Depending on the angle you only notice them with direct sunlight or halogen lamps pointing on the screen while the screen is off. Still, for this price the glass is a disappointment.