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Hi all,
As the title says, "jtag note 3 n9000: will it trip the knox counter?"
I couldn't find any information on this, and I wasn't able to contact other senior members to ask this question.
So I decided to start this thread.
All of my Android devices are rooted (in a good way that is), and since I will be getting this in the mail soon, I was hoping to gain the freedom of root without the warranty being void.
Im quite nifty at removing the ol "if this seal is broken your warranty is void" sticker, so I'm not too worried about that side of thing.
Its the e-fuse that I have issues with.
Please feel free to reply with any helpful on topic information.
Cheers.
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Just in case this thread becomes something useful, ill reserve the second slot for useful info.
Btw, what's wrong with the captcha.... had to do it 5x times now.
It should not because that is how it's done from the factory and the phone won't have any way to place a counter in memory as it is being written or written over. I am assuming it's hard bricked? But either way it shouldn't, and I don't see how it could.
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I just read a little bit more on the knox memory. It depends on it if the jtag reprograms that memory as well. I don't own a note 3 but as said, jtag is how everything is flashed when it's assembled so I don't know how it could trip the counter unless it's a separate board or doesn't program that particular chip. Think about it though, the phone has to be programmed to "talk" to the knox chip in the first place so the jtag should clear that as well.
But I'm just basing this on programming in general without knowing the chip though. If someone's worried about getting out of warranty charge, I would just brick it by flashing a Rom that will not even let it turn on. I did that on my sprint s3.
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cheers.
Josh McGrath said:
It should not because that is how it's done from the factory and the phone won't have any way to place a counter in memory as it is being written or written over. I am assuming it's hard bricked? But either way it shouldn't, and I don't see how it could.
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That's what I was assuming as well.
It looks like I need to buy a jtag-er (learn how to use it) and push su to get root (big assumption: that's all that is required).
Has anyone attempted this before I go and buy the stuff and spend copious amounts of hours learning how to do it? (Not being lazy, I just don't want to reinvent the wheel)...
Would anyone else be able to confirm that jtag will not trip the knox tag?
It would be nice to know if rooting or putting a custom rom via jtag does not trip the knox tag.
Also, what if the knox tag could be reset via jtag.
If you have any useful info please reply.
Thank you.
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Would anyone know if the jtag method will work without tripping the knox counter?
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Use kingoroot, it doesn't turn on Knox counter. Just dont flash custom recovery/kernel
All well and good if Kingoapp works, which it doesn't on mine.
Hello.
I rooted my N9005 and tipped knox counter after a few months of usage (I thought my phone had no h/w problems so I rooted it)
Last week, my N3 flash (camera) won't light up. i think it is disconnected or maybe it was faulty from the purchase date (never used it before).
I flashed back stock rom. Same problem persisted so I went to service center, they refused to help me stating that my KNOX counter is tipped
:crying::crying::crying:
I am thinking of rendering my phone useless, so they would not see KNOX counter?
Any idea?
Thanks
guitarz said:
Hello.
I rooted my N9005 and tipped knox counter after a few months of usage (I thought my phone had no h/w problems so I rooted it)
Last week, my N3 flash (camera) won't light up. i think it is disconnected or maybe it was faulty from the purchase date (never used it before).
I flashed back stock rom. Same problem persisted so I went to service center, they refused to help me stating that my KNOX counter is tipped
:crying::crying::crying:
I am thinking of rendering my phone useless, so they would not see KNOX counter?
Any idea?
Thanks
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You do the crime, you do the time. Nobody will probably help or assist you with this request as it is considered fraude. Not permitted on XDA, next time you will be reported. Why did you root a defective device anyway
These kind of questions - and there have been many - make me seriously wonder about the mental acuity of some of the people here.
I mean, this is a developer's forum. Why on earth would you think that a "Help I f****d my phone up, it was my fault, please help me commit fraud" would get any sort of advice?
Try tapping the phone lightly on your head. Since your brain seems to be denser than Osmium, the phone should shatter on impact without causing any damage to the few neurones you seem to possess. Reported.
guitarz said:
Hello.
I rooted my N9005 and tipped knox counter after a few months of usage (I thought my phone had no h/w problems so I rooted it)
Last week, my N3 flash (camera) won't light up. i think it is disconnected or maybe it was faulty from the purchase date (never used it before).
I flashed back stock rom. Same problem persisted so I went to service center, they refused to help me stating that my KNOX counter is tipped
:crying::crying::crying:
I am thinking of rendering my phone useless, so they would not see KNOX counter?
Any idea?
Thanks
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Why need to fraud?
ur solution is very easy....
UR WARRANTY IS VOIDED. ...
but...
IF YOU PAY, they will fix for u.
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What you are asking is fraud.
May I remind you that this is a site of Developers
Please be more careful how you post in future
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Will there be a root solution without tripping the knox counter and how soon do you think after launch??
The phone isn't even being sold yet. Nobody can answer that question until the phone is in our hands.
although what EP says is 100% accurate, maybe worth checking out if something was found on Note 2 (which is no), Note 3, S4, or S5. If none on those, then most likely not on the Note 4 either.
Don't know.. Don't care lol. Not sure why everyone worries so much about Knox..as long as we can root,install recovery and flash what we want its all good. And if you concerned about warranty I would say your on the wrong site . I tripped my note 3 knox counter right after I bought the device and never looked back.
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Don't know.. Don't care lol. Not sure why everyone worries so much about Knox..as long as we can root,install recovery and flash what we want its all good. And if you concerned about warranty I would say your on the wrong site . I tripped my note 3 knox counter right after I bought the device and never looked back.
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I think that in regards to warranty, Sammy still has an obligation to repair your device. They may charge you for the repair, but I'd say they'd need to prove that rooting was the cause of your problem - say a defective battery or non-functioning sim slot. :laugh:
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Don't know.. Don't care lol. And if you concerned about warranty I would say your on the wrong site .
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Smartest thing posted in the Note 4 threads so far..
force70 said:
Don't know.. Don't care lol. Not sure why everyone worries so much about Knox..as long as we can root,install recovery and flash what we want its all good. And if you concerned about warranty I would say your on the wrong site . I tripped my note 3 knox counter right after I bought the device and never looked back.
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Well, because not tripping knox is better than tripping knox I would say. What if something goes wrong with your phone that has nothing to do with rooting? I am sure Samsung in that case would also say, sorry, you rooted your phone, there will be charge for fixing this. If I create an unrecoverable brick, then, I would take responsibility for that, however, No one I am sure would want to be responsible for a problem with their phone that had nothing to do with rooting. It was just a question, that's all. I am rooting whether knox is tripped or not.
when you root your phone, Samsung says your warranty ends.
Period.
Your carrier may cut you some slack on a issue that comes up, not related to rooting, but most of them will refuse to do anything warranty wise if you are rooted. Obviously, they have to either ask you, or check themselves.
Over the years, I never had a warranty refused because of being rooted, and when I brought a phone in with a problem, I never volunteered that the phone was rooted, and they never asked me.
But, that might not be the case for you or anyone else.
Sure, if you can root, and not trip Knox, and there is a way to unroot and return your phone to stock in case of service being needed, that is the ideal scenario, but once I root any phone, I always assume my warranty is over, and I think most of us that have been on XDA for awhile would agree with that statement.
I am first time Android user.
i immediately rooted my S7 edge, and i unrooted it yesterday.
only now i realize I cannot even use Knox any more, it shows a customer ROM has been installed previously.
Is there a way to reset the knox counter
I guess i should have never rooted my S7 edge
No. Knox Flag is permanent or at least no one manage to reverse it since it exist.
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No. Knox Flag is permanent or at least no one manage to reverse it since it exist.
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:crying::crying::crying:
i am so sad now
The value is defined using an eFuse, its contact is severed by applying high current through it, it is therefore a physical modification of your SOC and cannot be undone.
what you been up to? warranty purposes?
EDIT: I just read your post. Knox is useless anyway, extra security
Knox is useless and warranty is easy to repair on the side. Rooted everything I have owned.
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Brava27 said:
Knox is useless and warranty is easy to repair on the side. Rooted everything I have owned.
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same here!
i have to root because i'm addicted to viper sound, and cant stand the stock-eq!!
TML1504 said:
same here!
i have to root because i'm addicted to viper sound, and cant stand the stock-eq!!
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Oh yeah! Need it for my bluetooth headphones!
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Does this apply to both Exynos and Snapdragon versions?
Brava27 said:
Knox is useless and warranty is easy to repair on the side. Rooted everything I have owned.
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What does this mean?
"Warranty is easy to repair on the side"
On some devices in the past (the Exynos Note 3 for example) the Knox flag was a software marker. This meant that, once the location of that flag was discovered, it could be reset and a lot of people did precisely that every time they tripped the flag. However, with their newer Exynos SOCs Samsung have since followed Qualcomm's example and gone down the e-fuse route with Knox. So no, regardless of what SOC you're running, once tripped, it's now physically impossible to take your device back to a non-tripped state without a mainboard replacement.
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What does this mean?
"Warranty is easy to repair on the side"
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Good question haha
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Its more then **** from Samsung, that and the next that nothing new costum Roms are no anymore . If i have buy my S7 i have look first here and have see custom Roms but i don't have see that its only from stock. What is it, that in this time, where I need Root for Firewall or AntiVirus the Knox make the Life hard for costumer?
What's the situation about Samsung pay and rooted s7 edge? Any updates?
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What's the situation about Samsung pay and rooted s7 edge? Any updates?
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it will not work on rooted devices no permanent solution found.
Most banks will not allow a rooted device to be recognized because of security concerns.
Cosmic Blue said:
it will not work on rooted devices no permanent solution found.
Most banks will not allow a rooted device to be recognized because of security concerns.
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Lol as soon as i got my s7e i rooted without even looking into it. But I'm happy with Android pay i guess. Not sure if samsung pay works in the UK right now anyway.
How is the situation regarding samsung pay, if you tripped knox, but still use stock rom without root? I had to unlock because i had to change csc within a multi-csc. Just curious.
haha you guys will realize that when something that is covered under warranty and you need it fix, goodluck... if it doesnt happen then thats great..
I bought an extra year of warranty on my phone because its not cheap.. on cheap phones, I could care less...
In Norway Knox does not affect warranty. I have had two Samsungs (S4 and S5) serviced under warranty. Both with Knox tripped. No problems whatsoever.
No. Currently there is no way. Don't expect one either. We've been trying since 2013 and possibly earlier ->http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2486346
If you live in central, south or central-east europe and care about warranty, don't root.
Hi, my phone is an s7 edge exynos g935w8 and I've tried using triangle away to reset the knox counter but that doesn't work... So are there any other options?
The only option is app called KNOX disabler. It reverts knox back to 0x0. But your warranty is void anyways
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No,knox counter is one time programmable e-fuse,when burned and get status 0x1 its irretrievable,that is the point of knox,more here
I am looking for a nox reset also. F*ck samsung. They dont want to fix my S7 edge flickering screen because of root. YES root made my screen flicker!!
TRoN_1 said:
I am looking for a nox reset also. F*ck samsung. They dont want to fix my S7 edge flickering screen because of root. YES root made my screen flicker!!
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Once you tripped your Knox you can do nothing. It's like peeling off the security label. I'm sure you were aware of voiding warranty with rooting the device
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dollar7 said:
Once you tripped your Knox you can do nothing. It's like peeling off the security label. I'm sure you were aware of voiding warranty with rooting the device
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AAAAH!! Finally found a Samsung employee I can complain to. Or the Samsung police? Or just a Malaka fanboy? F*ck Samcrap, my screen flickering is not caused by rooting, and ANYONE who thinks otherwise is not thinking at all.
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AAAAH!! Finally found a Samsung employee I can complain to. Or the Samsung police? Or just a Malaka fanboy? F*ck Samcrap, my screen flickering is not caused by rooting, and ANYONE who thinks otherwise is not thinking at all.
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Samsung police, that sounds hilarious. The only person you can be angry with is yourself. I bet you are a young person that doesn't care about money your parents gave to you to buy this device. Otherwise you woulda thought about consequences or you just don't know yet how the world works. That's how you make money on silly customers. PEACE
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TRoN_1 said:
I am looking for a nox reset also. F*ck samsung. They dont want to fix my S7 edge flickering screen because of root. YES root made my screen flicker!!
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TRoN_1 said:
AAAAH!! Finally found a Samsung employee I can complain to. Or the Samsung police? Or just a Malaka fanboy? F*ck Samcrap, my screen flickering is not caused by rooting, and ANYONE who thinks otherwise is not thinking at all.
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Surely everyone knows that your warranty is void if you root your phone. It is classed as mishandling and can cause vulnerable software to be installed.
Your flickering issue may not be caused by rooting but the fact you rooted the phone goes against Samsung's terms of use and therefore they have no obligation to fix the phone for you.
I am rooted myself but when I did root, I accepted the fact that I would void my warranty, therefore I took out insurance that would cover any damage I may get. This is not Samsung's fault, it is your own fault for rooting if you wanted to keep your warranty.
Here is screenshot of last custom rom v2.2 Superman by Master @Tkkg1994 :cyclops:
ric69 said:
Here is screenshot of last custom rom v2.2 Superman by Master @Tkkg1994 :cyclops:
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It's pointless imo. The device is still knox-tripped, the phone just shows 0x0 instead of 0x1. I see no reason why this would be useful.
Of course, and by the way I don't have any reason to revert to 0x1 or 0x0 ... my provider/seller will never look at this for warranty
But it would be funny if Samsung accept to repair a 0x0 fake device lol
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Of course, and by the way I don't have any reason to revert to 0x1 or 0x0 ... my provider/seller will never look at this for warranty [emoji14]
But it would be funny if Samsung accept to repair a 0x0 fake device lol
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It's well known that first thing the serviceman will do is flashing Sammy rom which reverts knox back to 0x1 no matter what
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CuBz90 said:
It's pointless imo. The device is still knox-tripped, the phone just shows 0x0 instead of 0x1. I see no reason why this would be useful.
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You can use knox apps like disconnect , myknox with that with root and custom rom and probably Samsung pay ? They are still testing if samsung pay works . But for warranty , it's useless lol.
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dollar7 said:
Samsung police, that sounds hilarious. The only person you can be angry with is yourself. I bet you are a young person that doesn't care about money your parents gave to you to buy this device. Otherwise you woulda thought about consequences or you just don't know yet how the world works. That's how you make money on silly customers. PEACE
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It is funny isnt it Not young and money is quite important to me. And I know exactly how the world works, because I got it fixed and didnt pay Samcrap. And, guess what, NO they dont make money on me, maybe people like you, because it is the LAST Samcrap I buy. Kijiji listed and should be gone in a few days.
WAR
Is it not law in uk an EU that rooting or messing with software DOES NOT void warranty?
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You can use knox apps like disconnect , myknox with that with root and custom rom and probably Samsung pay ? They are still testing if samsung pay works . But for warranty , it's useless lol.
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I can't comment on other apps but it will NEVER work on Samsung Pay
If Your mainboard is completely damaged they will never know about tripped knox fuse.....
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If Your mainboard is completely damaged they will never know about tripped knox fuse.....
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What do you mean? If you put your s7 on fire they won't find out I suppose but do you think your warranty is not void in this case?
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It's well known that first thing the serviceman will do is flashing Sammy rom which reverts knox back to 0x1 no matter what
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if it's clearly a hardware problem, would they still bother flashing stock? cos that would mean data is wiped after every samsung repair.