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http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/10/analogix-slim-port-technology-lets-you-connect-your-phone-to-you/
Sometimes, the simplest ideas are the best ones, and Analogix Slim Port technology certainly qualifies as both. It's a cabling solution that allows you to mirror what's on your phone or tablet's screen to your TV via microUSB -- instead of needing an extra HDMI or MHL port. Analogix's secret sauce is on a chip embedded in the jack portion of the cable and because it's based on DisplayPort technology, it can connect using HDMI, VGA, or DVI connections. Of course, as an OEM, Analogix won't be selling the cables when they go on sale this summer, but retailers like Belkin and BizLink will probably be put one in your bag for around $20 or $30 bucks.
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So now we can connect our beloved Play to that TV XD
I think it doesn't work like that... you have to have the tech on your phone (Mobility DisplayPort (MYDP) digital interface) it then allows uncompressed video/audio from a phone over display-port and also allows usb transfer modes
http://www.interconnectionworld.com/index/display/wire-news-display/1578435639.html
It won't work on the play
ff7fan4eva said:
I think it doesn't work like that... you have to have the tech on your phone (Mobility DisplayPort (MYDP) digital interface) it then allows uncompressed video/audio from a phone over display-port and also allows usb transfer modes
http://www.interconnectionworld.com/index/display/wire-news-display/1578435639.html
It won't work on the play
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i dont get you guys it clearly says it uses the MICRO USB port on the mobile device i mean how much more clearer need it be regardless ive sent an email to analogix and will tell u guys what they say
Why do we have two threads about the exact same thing I dont know
But i'll post the same thing I did over in the other one
Do you think that TV out is just going to magicly work when you plug in USB LOL
FYI your usb port is never outputting video lol. you would have to run some type of program to do it and that will use CPU power
When have you ever plugged usb into your PC and a message comes up "Would you like to mirror image on your screen?"
You guys know the PSP actually had software written for it that allowed USB mirror to desktop and it lagged the device so badly most games weren't playable anymore
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Why do we have two threads about the exact same thing I dont know
But i'll post the same thing I did over in the other one
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You do realize that PSP is less than 1/3rd the Xperia PLAY's overall capability, right?
PSP also couldn't handle any form of graphical MMOs.
TLRtheory said:
You do realize that PSP is less than 1/3rd the Xperia PLAY's overall capability, right?
PSP also couldn't handle any form of graphical MMOs.
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I wasnt aware of that fact
you got a source i can see for my own eyes? thanks
also my points is still valid. the device aint outputting video as it sits now
You guys know the PSP actually had software written for it that allowed USB mirror to desktop and it lagged the device so badly most games weren't playable anymore
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Thats because it used VNC. VNC lags on anything.
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I wasnt aware of that fact
you got a source i can see for my own eyes? thanks
also my points is still valid. the device aint outputting video as it sits now
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check the spec sheets. Also, notice that the Play has Dev units with HDMI out and they don't lag a little.
A bit off topic, but I don't think I ever posted this while I was analyzing the play for HDMI.
According to the kernel, the Dev plays have this chipset and all Plays have the drivers for it: http://www.analog.com/en/audiovideo-products/analoghdmidvi-interfaces/adv7520/products/product.html
And this can be seen on the Dell Streak: http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Dell-Streak-Teardown/3512/2
Now, I tore apart my Play (when I had it), and I can confirm that that chip is NOT on my retail r800i. This means that there is no "hidden" port or some unfilled solderpads that can be used to attach a microhdmi. There is NO support on the retail motherboard for it. You can't even buy the ADV7520 chip because there are no space on the retail motherboard for it.
There's no chip or hdmi port on the play I've watched dissasemblies of all types r800a,x,I
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There is a solution where you connect to a bluetooth HDMI dongle using your bluetooth and its specific app to stream phone content onto the screen, I think it was mentioned on Engadget but I cannot seem to find the link for it.
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check the spec sheets. Also, notice that the Play has Dev units with HDMI out and they don't lag a little.
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so your dev unit theory is irrelevant because our plays contain none of the architecture to run this setup with hdmi.
would have to find another solution.
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so your dev unit theory is irrelevant because our plays contain none of the architecture to run this setup with hdmi.
would have to find another solution.
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I don't have a theory, as I don't care one bit about TV output of any kind. However, you mentioned that the PSP wasn't powerful enough to beam out content, which is not a problem in the Xperia Play (or Arc and Neo for that matter).
Why do people keep saying "the play has no HDMI transmitter" if you read the OP, with this cable the HDMI transmitter is built into the jack, the device does not need one
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Thats because it used VNC. VNC lags on anything.
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Pretty sure it didn't
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AndroHero said:
Why do people keep saying "the play has no HDMI transmitter" if you read the OP, with this cable the HDMI transmitter is built into the jack, the device does not need one
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FINALLY someone bothers to actually read the goddamed article
So the USB Device registers itself as.. what exactly ?
I mean, the play still has to send it's image to the dongle either way.
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So the USB Device registers itself as.. what exactly ?
I mean, the play still has to send it's image to the dongle either way.
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The adapter is probably accompanied with an app. Although the app would need root acces, atleast I think so.
whilst i think this would be an awesome piece of kit if it works as intended, im a little curious as to how it actually works, afaik the cpu sends its work to the gpu for output, the gpu processes it, and outputs it to the display....so how exactly does the usb port get the information from gpu...maybe easy with root access on one device...but making it work on a wide range of devices would be crazy hard.
im not gonna straight up bash this, because they have said its a vendor agnostic solution, so im assuming they have worked out some technical magic with no downsides to pull this off. I'm all for being proved wrong, i just want to see it in action.
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You do realize that PSP is less than 1/3rd the Xperia PLAY's overall capability, right?
PSP also couldn't handle any form of graphical MMOs.
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First statement is a bit overstated.
By capability the gpu in the PSP has a fillrate of 30 million polygons/s
I believe our Adreno has 52 mil/s
Plus instead of the capability I believe it was the limitation of USB speeds that affected the computer mirroring software.
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First Windows 8 phone revealed, from i-mate:
http://blogs.seattletimes.com/brier...-8-pc-phone-revealed-plus-tablet-and-desktop/
4.7" screen Windows 8 Pro, and runs atom processor.
Look forward to seeing reviews and seeing how well the phone/messaging capability is on this.
We will see more of these, especially when Intel releases a 22nm atom later this year. And some ARM ones with Windows RT.
(Follow up to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1226360)
CSMR said:
First Windows 8 phone revealed, from i-mate:
http://blogs.seattletimes.com/brier...-8-pc-phone-revealed-plus-tablet-and-desktop/
4.7" screen Windows 8 Pro, and runs atom processor.
Look forward to seeing reviews and seeing how well the phone/messaging capability is on this.
We will see more of these, especially when Intel releases a 22nm atom later this year. And some ARM ones with Windows RT.
(Follow up to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1226360)
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If you can get that setup for $1600, I'd be impressed. Nice business solution if you ask me...
it won't sell, because its a proprietary dock, for one phone only.
needs to be a STANDARD wireless charging base (mac mini sized) with vga/sound/mic/hdmi/etc out the back, so regular peripherals can be used. large enough to charge 2-3 phones at once, is a good idea too.
dlna to dock, hdmi/vga to screen, etc
now, as far as convincing people to buy windows 8, I have no idea how.
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it won't sell, because its a proprietary dock, for one phone only.
needs to be a STANDARD wireless charging base (mac mini sized) with vga/sound/mic/hdmi/etc out the back, so regular peripherals can be used. large enough to charge 2-3 phones at once, is a good idea too.
dlna to dock, hdmi/vga to screen, etc
now, as far as convincing people to buy windows 8, I have no idea how.
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You want a Dock with a wireless charging base, VGA/HDMI, Audio in out all coming out of the dock. designed around all phones and indeed work with multiple phones at the same time.
So we can explain audio with Bluetooth, and DNLA with wifi but how my friend, do you explain your VGA/HDMI out? how do you charge it if your don't have a inductive phone? or do you want all phones to have inductive charging wireless VGA and HDMI output as well?
the concept of a docking station for a specific phone is a tried and tested model and is routinely used on laptops and tablets, these devices are far from "universal" one can argue that there has never been a universal docking station, simply because there are far too many designs and technologies to take in to account. The beloved Apple are the worst for this, buy any ipod dock and youll find as many adaptors and connectors stuffed in to the box to "make" it compatible as there are iphone covers in cheap arse phone stores.
I think the idea of having a phone that's so powerful that can be plugged in to a tablet case, laptop case, home entertainment system is a great concept, itll never happen but if a unified connectivity model could be made up then even better, the problem with such things is space, yes you can transmit HDMI wirelessly, but its heavy on juice consumption, far heavier than what induction charging can deliver.
I see what your saying and that would be ideal but practicalities will prohibit a universal dock, a set of docks available for your specific phone however is a great idea and one id sign up to.
As the article says, it is not going to be a 'stand alone' phone, but part of a 'hub' system. So it doesn't need to have a 'standard' docking or wireless charging system...
I think it's an interesting idea. Let's see if i-Mate pull this off!!!
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You want a Dock with a wireless charging base, VGA/HDMI, Audio in out all coming out of the dock. designed around all phones and indeed work with multiple phones at the same time.
So we can explain audio with Bluetooth, and DNLA with wifi but how my friend, do you explain your VGA/HDMI out? how do you charge it if your don't have a inductive phone? or do you want all phones to have inductive charging wireless VGA and HDMI output as well?
the concept of a docking station for a specific phone is a tried and tested model and is routinely used on laptops and tablets, these devices are far from "universal" one can argue that there has never been a universal docking station, simply because there are far too many designs and technologies to take in to account. The beloved Apple are the worst for this, buy any ipod dock and youll find as many adaptors and connectors stuffed in to the box to "make" it compatible as there are iphone covers in cheap arse phone stores.
I think the idea of having a phone that's so powerful that can be plugged in to a tablet case, laptop case, home entertainment system is a great concept, itll never happen but if a unified connectivity model could be made up then even better, the problem with such things is space, yes you can transmit HDMI wirelessly, but its heavy on juice consumption, far heavier than what induction charging can deliver.
I see what your saying and that would be ideal but practicalities will prohibit a universal dock, a set of docks available for your specific phone however is a great idea and one id sign up to.
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you know the answers to the questiions already... if the phone isn't inductive charge capable, well, it misses out. (I screwed up suggesting vga out, yes)
is the dock to be tossed out when the next phone is released, or microsoft abandons the current os, forcing hardware upgrades ?
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As the article says, it is not going to be a 'stand alone' phone, but part of a 'hub' system. So it doesn't need to have a 'standard' docking or wireless charging system...
I think it's an interesting idea. Let's see if i-Mate pull this off!!!
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ya, that was part of my point. the docking system is physically bound to only one phone model. a change of phones means the dock is obsolete. that's why I suggested a inductive version instead.
Re: Docks. You can do a lot with mini-displayport and micro-usb, which should fit on a superpowered phone. Or thunderbolt would work as a universal connector - thunderbolt out to a dock.
But what is more interesting to me is having a full windows OS on a phone. Windows Phone 8 still has a lot of core features missing, while Windows 8 does not have these gaps. Just add phone and messaging capability to Windows 8 and you will have an excellent OS for power users.
Hopefully there will be more of these phones when Intel finally moves Atom to 22nm later this year.
CSMR said:
Re: Docks. You can do a lot with mini-displayport and micro-usb, which should fit on a superpowered phone. Or thunderbolt would work as a universal connector - thunderbolt out to a dock.
But what is more interesting to me is having a full windows OS on a phone. Windows Phone 8 still has a lot of core features missing, while Windows 8 does not have these gaps. Just add phone and messaging capability to Windows 8 and you will have an excellent OS for power users.
Hopefully there will be more of these phones when Intel finally moves Atom to 22nm later this year.
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yesssss, that's what wp7/8 were supposed to do: bridge the gaps, the pc/phone in one.
but, now you have wp, surface/rt, w8 and their versions also. fragmentation, not integration.
oh, and xbox... office... very odd way of doing things.
huawei ascend w1
i recently bought the huawei ascend w1 and does anyone know how to disable the shutter sound ?
tkelly0727 said:
i recently bought the huawei ascend w1 and does anyone know how to disable the shutter sound ?
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Settings>Ringtones + Sounds> uncheck "Camera shutter" box
Shutter sound
Dadstar said:
Settings>Ringtones + Sounds> uncheck "Camera shutter" box
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Hi. I don't have a checkbox to turn the shutter sound off. I know my old Windows 7 phone had the option, but nothing on this one.
I'd love to turn it off because the default sound is horrible.
Dadstar said:
Settings>Ringtones + Sounds> uncheck "Camera shutter" box
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Just purchased an O2 version, same here there is no Camera shutter box to uncheck.
I wanted to start a thread discussing Amazon's new FireTV and removing Amazon's custom ROM and using AOSP.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CX5P8FC
A great piece of hardware.
Size 4.5" x 4.5" x 0.7" (115 mm x 115 mm x 17.5 mm)Weight9.9 oz (281 grams)SOC PlatformQualcomm Snapdragon 8064ProcessorQualcomm Krait 300, quad-core to 1.7 GhzGPU Qualcomm Adreno 320Storage 8 GB internalMemory 2 GB LPDDR2 @ 533 MHZWi-Fi ConnectivityDual-band, dual-antenna Wi-Fi (MIMO) for faster streaming and fewer dropped connections than standard Wi-Fi. Supports public and private Wi-Fi networks that use the 802.11a/b/g/n standard with support for WEP, WPA and WPA2 security using password authenticationBluetooth Bluetooth 4.0 with support for the following profiles: HID, HFP 1.6, SPPPorts 5.5 mm DC Jack
Type A HDMI 1.4b output, w/HDCP
Optical Audio (TOSLINK)
10/100 Ethernet
USB 2.0 Type A
AudioSupport for Dolby Digital Plus, 5.1 surround sound, 2ch Stereo and HDMI audio pass through up to 7.1
Output Resolution Supported 720p and 1080p up to 60fps
I have one on order and will be here tomorrow. 04/03/14
Seems pretty sweet. Root + ROMs even better.
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MicroMod777 said:
Seems pretty sweet. Root + ROMs even better.
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Agreed... I am not a developer any longer and do not have ties to get it moving... I guess this will be a waiting game... When we can see root & ROM
No gigabit Ethernet? For a streaming device that you install and never move again until its obsolete? Some of the product decisions these companies make are interesting.
Also, no IR=no integration. I know everyone here is focused on hacking it, but say you do get XBMC running on it smoothly? No universal remote or control system capability?
I tired to resist Apple and got a Roku 3. Dinking around with a second remote and the lack of Netflix profiles sent me over to the dark side.
Kind of not feeling this. The processor is nice, but all the things you are talking about can be done out of the box with something like a G-Box Midnight MX2.
Sorry to be Debby Downer.
brizey said:
No gigabit Ethernet? For a streaming device that you install and never move again until its obsolete? Some of the product decisions these companies make are interesting.
Also, no IR=no integration. I know everyone here is focused on hacking it, but say you do get XBMC running on it smoothly? No universal remote or control system capability?
I tired to resist Apple and got a Roku 3. Dinking around with a second remote and the lack of Netflix profiles sent me over to the dark side.
Kind of not feeling this. The processor is nice, but all the things you are talking about can be done out of the box with something like a G-Box Midnight MX2.
Sorry to be Debby Downer.
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*A little bit of topic*
This remote I have been using for years and work just perfect with my XBMC
http://www.amazon.com/Ortek-Windows...3171&sr=8-9&keywords=remote+control+microsoft
Cost next to nothing with a USB IR receiver.
Got my Fire TV today, can't wait for the hacking community to get in on this one. Looks like its got lots of potential, especially in the retro/emulation arena with the optional remote.
A USB keyboard works great, but the generic WMC ir receiver didn't. So that quick, cheap "hack" didn't pan out.
IR is really irrelevant.. I dont use it.. Bluetooth is all we need!
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travisnj said:
IR is really irrelevant.. I dont use it.. Bluetooth is all we need!
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It's not only because you don't use that it means irrelevant. A lot of people have good IR remotes like the Logitech one...
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SkzBR said:
It's not only because you don't use that it means irrelevant. A lot of people have good IR remotes like the Logitech one...
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Agreed.. My logic and reason is IR is minimally 20yrs old tech that's all but obsolete. IMO...
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Anyone interested in Rooting Amazon FireTV...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2703716
brizey said:
No gigabit Ethernet? For a streaming device that you install and never move again until its obsolete? Some of the product decisions these companies make are interesting.
Also, no IR=no integration. I know everyone here is focused on hacking it, but say you do get XBMC running on it smoothly? No universal remote or control system capability?
I tired to resist Apple and got a Roku 3. Dinking around with a second remote and the lack of Netflix profiles sent me over to the dark side.
Kind of not feeling this. The processor is nice, but all the things you are talking about can be done out of the box with something like a G-Box Midnight MX2.
Sorry to be Debby Downer.
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Why would you ever need gigabit ethernet for a streaming box? Even a direct play blu-ray tops out around 40Mb...there is absolutely no need for gigabit.
sluflyer06 said:
Why would you ever need gigabit ethernet for a streaming box? Even a direct play blu-ray tops out around 40Mb...there is absolutely no need for gigabit.
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no one needs 10/100/1000 but is it very handy when it comes to transfering files over a gigabit network. Also what does it hurt since gigabit has been out for years. Ouya/ Mojo/ Fire tv all have fastethernet and its annoying that they didnt put gigabit mostly because my whole network is 10/100/1000 and i hate bottlenecks.
i see your point though
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no one needs 10/100/1000 but is it very handy when it comes to transfering files over a gigabit network. Also what does it hurt since gigabit has been out for years. Ouya/ Mojo/ Fire tv all have fastethernet and its annoying that they didnt put gigabit mostly because my whole network is 10/100/1000 and i hate bottlenecks.
i see your point though
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I'm all for fast networks, all our computers at home have one or more solid state drives so even gigabit is not enough at this point. I get why didn't they put it on the FireTV but maybe the hardware inside couldn't talk to the port at 100MB/s anyway so it might not be that these boxes couldn't have Gethernet but that if they did install it your actual throughput might be crap anyway.
Nice that we have a forum/section for this device.
More 2.0 USB ports (no need for a HUB) and Gigabit Ethernet would have definitely made it more desirable.
USB 3.0 will probably come with next year's qualcomm CPUs.
The biggest thing that I'm looking forward to is AOSP ROMs, and the bootloader hacks to install it.
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Why would you ever need gigabit ethernet for a streaming box? Even a direct play blu-ray tops out around 40Mb...there is absolutely no need for gigabit.
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mejdam said:
no one needs 10/100/1000 but is it very handy when it comes to transfering files over a gigabit network. Also what does it hurt since gigabit has been out for years. Ouya/ Mojo/ Fire tv all have fastethernet and its annoying that they didnt put gigabit mostly because my whole network is 10/100/1000 and i hate bottlenecks.
i see your point though
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I'm all for fast networks, all our computers at home have one or more solid state drives so even gigabit is not enough at this point. I get why didn't they put it on the FireTV but maybe the hardware inside couldn't talk to the port at 100MB/s anyway so it might not be that these boxes couldn't have Gethernet but that if they did install it your actual throughput might be crap anyway.
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Lol, looks like others jumped in before I got here. For me, it is mostly about downloading to attached storage quickly. Plus, why not? Annoying to leave out a $2 part to make the magic $99 price point.
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*A little bit of topic*
This remote I have been using for years and work just perfect with my XBMC
http://www.amazon.com/Ortek-Windows...3171&sr=8-9&keywords=remote+control+microsoft
Cost next to nothing with a USB IR receiver.
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travisnj said:
IR is really irrelevant.. I dont use it.. Bluetooth is all we need!
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SkzBR said:
It's not only because you don't use that it means irrelevant. A lot of people have good IR remotes like the Logitech one...
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Agreed.. My logic and reason is IR is minimally 20yrs old tech that's all but obsolete. IMO...
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It is only sort of obsolete. The thing is, it is the only pretty much universal control platform for AV gear. With a few exceptions like this and the Roku 3, pretty much every AV component has an IR in.
I don't have a Logitech, I have an old URC MX-880 with an RF base station. All my gear is in built-in cabinets in what was supposed to be the media niche in my family room. I have a custom built low profile fireplace mantle, and our firebox is sitting on the slab. This allowed us to mount the TV above the fireplace at a more reasonable height, and more importantly, in the center of the room. The only wires showing are the sub cable and its power cable, and even those just barely. The surround speakers are all in-ceiling ( our family room has almost no wall space...its all open to the kitchen, foyer, bedroom hallway, and windows). So the RF remote kicks butt. The Logitech remotes are nice (wish URC had as many IR codes), but they are not as flexible as a URC, even something as low-end for them as an old MX-880. I used to be in the business, so I have CCP, etc. and can program it myself.
I am not willing to give all that up for a $99 box when I have another $99 box that works with it. Plus, she-who-decides wants one f%$ing remote.
Heh, still better than an X-Box One, lol. (Google "longer cable for Kinect" if you like to read rage.)
Hey everyone,
I currently have a Note 4 and an iPhone 6 and I use a Netgear Nighthawk AC1900 router at home for WiFi.
When in my room, my Note 4 only reaches the speeds shown in the attached picture while my iPhone reaches the maximum speed possible on my connection, which is 90.
They are both on a 5Ghz network. The exact same of course. How can it be there is such a dramatic difference? I'm really thinking of returning it if there isn't a solution. I really love this phone though so I hope it won't be necessary.
EDIT: I'm reviving my own thread, since I found out something important. After restarting my Note, the speed test easily reaches the same maximum as my iPhone 6. After a while however, it drops back to 30-ish or lower.
It can't possibly be that this is a good thing, right?
do you connect your device at the same time ?
I don't know if it's still the problem with todays device, but my past experience (like 1 or 2 years ago), apple device (ipad and macbook in my friends and my experience) use wifi in some way so other device have worse wifi speed
But that just our experience in my college wifi network.
Yes they were both connected at the same time. Disconnecting my iPhone and MacBook didn't help either unfortunately.
YoungStarDC said:
Hey everyone,
I currently have a Note 4 and an iPhone 6 and I use a Netgear Nighthawk AC1900 router at home for WiFi.
When in my room, my Note 4 only reaches the speeds shown in the attached picture while my iPhone reaches the maximum speed possible on my connection, which is 90.
They are both on a 5Ghz network. The exact same of course. How can it be there is such a dramatic difference? I'm really thinking of returning it if there isn't a solution. I really love this phone though so I hope it won't be necessary.
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Apple iPhone 6 comes with single band wireless AC adapter with duel-channel bonding 2Tx.
Galaxy Note 4 comes with dual band wireless AC adapter with tri-channel bonding 2Tx.
-->Single band wireless adapters have better peak performance because they are only connected to one antenna and all routers prioritize single PHY channel first. On the other hand, dual band wireless adapters have better consistent performance with higher max speeds because they are connected to two PHY channels, but have to sort out the distortions coming from two antennas. Some distortions can cancel out the signal that the device actually receives.
its the speedtest app which is messed up. i have a 25mbps connection and the desktop correctly shows 25mbps but the app shows 36mbps. try putting a 1 gigabyte file on an internal server and copy it to the iphone and note with dukto. you should get 144mbps or whatever your wifi speed is. 1 gigabyte at 144mbps should be around 1 minute to transfer.
http://www.msec.it/blog/?page_id=11
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Apple iPhone 6 comes with single band wireless AC adapter with duel-channel bonding 2Tx.
Galaxy Note 4 comes with dual band wireless AC adapter with tri-channel bonding 2Tx.
-->Single band wireless adapters have better peak performance because they are only connected to one antenna and all routers prioritize single PHY channel first. On the other hand, dual band wireless adapters have better consistent performance with higher max speeds because they are connected to two PHY channels, but have to sort out the distortions coming from two antennas. Some distortions can cancel out the signal that the device actually receives.
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So if I understand correctly, what you're saying is that in the long run, let's say when streaming or playing an online game, the Note 4 can more easily maintain a stable and fast connection, even though speedtest shows a fairly mediocre result due to it being like a 10 ten second test?
zurkx said:
its the speedtest app which is messed up. i have a 25mbps connection and the desktop correctly shows 25mbps but the app shows 36mbps. try putting a 1 gigabyte file on an internal server and copy it to the iphone and note with dukto. you should get 144mbps or whatever your wifi speed is. 1 gigabyte at 144mbps should be around 1 minute to transfer.
http://www.msec.it/blog/?page_id=11
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That's a good idea, however, my speeds are way lower than what my max speed is. I may still try this, however.
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So if I understand correctly, what you're saying is that in the long run, let's say when streaming or playing an online game, the Note 4 can more easily maintain a stable and fast connection, even though speedtest shows a fairly mediocre result due to it being like a 10 ten second test?
That's a good idea, however, my speeds are way lower than what my max speed is. I may still try this, however.
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Yes that is absolutely correct! Single band adapters are made for peak performances and dual band adapters are for long-term consistency.
Great. Thanks your help. Learned something new today!
My speeds: see signature
Router: Linksys EA6500
Network: Ziggo
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Apple iPhone 6 comes with single band wireless AC adapter with duel-channel bonding 2Tx.
Galaxy Note 4 comes with dual band wireless AC adapter with tri-channel bonding 2Tx.
-->Single band wireless adapters have better peak performance because they are only connected to one antenna and all routers prioritize single PHY channel first. On the other hand, dual band wireless adapters have better consistent performance with higher max speeds because they are connected to two PHY channels, but have to sort out the distortions coming from two antennas. Some distortions can cancel out the signal that the device actually receives.
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I'm reviving my own thread, since I found out something important. After restarting my Note, the speed test easily reaches the same maximum as my iPhone 6. After a while however, it drops back to 30-ish or lower.
It can't possibly be that this is a good thing, right?
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I'm reviving my own thread, since I found out something important. After restarting my Note, the speed test easily reaches the same maximum as my iPhone 6. After a while however, it drops back to 30-ish or lower.
It can't possibly be that this is a good thing, right?
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That sounds like a good thing. However if the speed is severely fluctuating every speedtest, I will contact Samsung Software Engineers to look into the issue.
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That sounds like a good thing. However if the speed is severely fluctuating every speedtest, I will contact Samsung Software Engineers to look into the issue.
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I have just contacted Samsung Netherlands and the guy I had on the phone insisted at first that it was my internet provider and the modem. After I told him I used a high-end router, not the WIFI modem my ISP provides, he kept on saying it was the router. Even after I thoroughly explained that all other devices worked fine in the same room, he kept on saying it was the router. All-in-all, completely useless, I would say. Are there any other things you can think off? Or any other XDA members to help out please!?
Try with 2.4 GHz.
5 GHz WiFi is extremely poor when travelling through walls.
Note 4 has a very small and insignificant antenna thus speeds drop tremendously when there's a wall in between WiFi router and phone.
I believe iPhone uses the whole metal strips on top and bottom as antenna
I have an Asus AC66U. On my Note 4, when connected with 5 GHz, and I am in line of sight with the router, I am able to receive a good speed ~ 200 Mbps. When in my own room, there's a wall, I can only get 12 mbps to 30 mbps.
However, my desktop uses an Asus PCE-AC66 wifi card. I am able to achieve max speeds of ~200 Mbps with speedtest. (It has 3 huge antennas).
Edit: My Desktop is in the same room where I fail to get any good 5 GHz speed on Note 4.
In the end, I just use 2.4 GHz...
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I have just contacted Samsung Netherlands and the guy I had on the phone insisted at first that it was my internet provider and the modem. After I told him I used a high-end router, not the WIFI modem my ISP provides, he kept on saying it was the router. Even after I thoroughly explained that all other devices worked fine in the same room, he kept on saying it was the router. All-in-all, completely useless, I would say. Are there any other things you can think off? Or any other XDA members to help out please!?
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Can you provide me the model number of your device? I will look into this with the Samsung Engineers.
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Can you provide me the model number of your device? I will look into this with the Samsung Engineers.
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Sure thing. Please see the attached image. Thanks for helping out.
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Sure thing. Please see the attached image. Thanks for helping out.
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I will post the response as soon as I receive it.
Thanks for reaching out to Samsung Executive Support. We've received your request and is investigating this issue. We will reply within 48hrs with a solution. Your executive support ID is: SMN900F-11904493_Bug.
Samsung Executive Support Team
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I will post the response as soon as I receive it.
Thanks for reaching out to Samsung Executive Support. We've received your request and is investigating this issue. We will reply within 48hrs with a solution. Your executive support ID is: SMN900F-11904493_Bug.
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Great, thanks. Can't wait to hear what they have to say.
until you do an actual test (i.e. transfer a file across from the network and time it) youre not going to get any useful responses.
like i said - the speedtest app is not useful as a test. its buggy and broken. its not your router. its the app youre using.
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Great, thanks. Can't wait to hear what they have to say.
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I have received a reply:
Thanks for reaching out! It's good to hear from you again!
New kernel/drivers are on the way in the next update and should address most WiFi issues that users are experiencing. The update is labeled Beta-2 N910FXX-M2. You can be access this file on our internal website.
In the meanwhile, please inform the end user to turn off WiFi power saving. 1) Open dialer and enter *#0011#. 2) Press the menu icon on the top right and press WiFi Power Saving. 3) Tap on the On button, it will change to Off. 4) Restart your device.
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Thanks for reaching out! It's good to hear from you again!
New kernel/drivers are on the way in the next update and should address most WiFi issues that users are experiencing. The update is labeled Beta-2 N910FXX-M2. You can be access this file on our internal website.
In the meanwhile, please inform the end user to turn off WiFi power saving. 1) Open dialer and enter *#0011#. 2) Press the menu icon on the top right and press WiFi Power Saving. 3) Tap on the On button, it will change to Off. 4) Restart your device.
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That was quick! I have changed the settings and I'll be home in an hour or two. I will do a test every hour from then to see if the WiFi speeds remain consistent.
On another note, I would like to thank you for helping me out. I really appreciate it. Do you work at Samsung or something?
http://anandtech.com/show/10081/wifi-testing-with-ixia-wavedevice/4
Anandtech just got a really fancy, manufacturer-grade WiFi testing setup and did some initial testing with the iPad Pro and the Pixel C.
In the case of the iPad Pro and Pixel C, we found that WaveDevice was able to show a number of notable interesting data points from both an end user perspective and an engineering perspective. With the rate vs range test, it was possible to clearly see how well a device would perform in response to worsening reception from a user experience perspective. From an engineering perspective, it was possible to identify the root cause for the Google Pixel C’s poor Wi-Fi performance by using WaveAnalyze and an RF analysis blade in WaveDevice. While determining the root cause is still beyond what we can do with limited information on the hardware, an OEM would be able to act on the information provided by WaveDevice to improve their product before it reaches mass production.
In addition to the rate vs range test, the roaming latency test was quite illuminating. While root cause analysis is more difficult and best left to actual engineers, it’s quite obvious that the iPad Pro passed this test with flying colors while the Pixel C shows some serious deficiencies. If you regularly encounter large Wi-Fi networks with multiple access points all under a single SSID/name like eduroam, it’s obvious that the Pixel C will be an exercise in frustration if you’re hoping to keep a working Wi-Fi connection on the move. Even when the device roams successfully, the time that the device spends moving from one access point to the next is long enough on average to result in noticeable connection interruptions. When it doesn’t roam successfully, it seems to get stuck on a single access point and basically drops off the network entirely without manual intervention or has to re-authenticate and acquire a new IP address, which is guaranteed to cause most traffic to be dropped.
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In a nutshell, we might need to file a class action lawsuit.
I'm not very technically minded, so just wondering in simple terms, does the article suggest this might be a hardware issue? Something that can't be fixed with future software updates? Thx
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I'm not very technically minded, so just wondering in simple terms, does the article suggest this might be a hardware issue? Something that can't be fixed with future software updates? Thx
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From the article:
It may be that we're looking at something like improper impedance matching somewhere in the system, amplifiers that are either poorly selected or poorly integrated, and/or a phase-locked loop somewhere that isn’t set up or designed properly for this task.
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Basically, they said they are not familiar enough with the hardware in the Pixel C to say if the problem is hardware or software related. Google probably knows, but good luck getting them to admit to anything.
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Basically, they said they are not familiar enough with the hardware in the Pixel C to say if the problem is hardware or software related. Google probably knows, but good luck getting them to admit to anything.
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Thanks, so there is still hope. This wifi concern is the only thing holding me back from buying one right now, my Nexus 10 has started to have issues with random reboot and extremely slow charging (20 hours to go from 20% to 100%), so I'm thinking of buying a Pixel C as a replacement
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Thanks, so there is still hope. This wifi concern is the only thing holding me back from buying one right now, my Nexus 10 has started to have issues with random reboot and extremely slow charging (20 hours to go from 20% to 100%), so I'm thinking of buying a Pixel C as a replacement
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For the record, I have absolutely no problems with WiFi with my Pixel C. I live in a 2 bedroom apartment with a highly saturated WiFi environment. I think the WiFi is unquestionably bad, but my usage scenario generally revolves around reading the news while pooping and watching media in airports/airplanes. In my scenario, none of the problems have even remotely affected me.
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For the record, I have absolutely no problems with WiFi with my Pixel C. I live in a 2 bedroom apartment with a highly saturated WiFi environment. I think the WiFi is unquestionably bad, but my usage scenario generally revolves around reading the news while pooping and watching media in airports/airplanes. In my scenario, none of the problems have even remotely affected me.
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Haha, sounds like how I use my tablet as well, and I also live in an apartment with saturated WiFi. Guess I can always buy it and return it if the WiFi is an issue. When you say WiFi is unquestionably bad, do you mean that it is slower and has weaker signal than other devices? Given that my home internet is still on DSL, I think I might not even notice the difference in WiFi speed
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Haha, sounds like how I use my tablet as well, and I also live in an apartment with saturated WiFi. Guess I can always buy it and return it if the WiFi is an issue. When you say WiFi is unquestionably bad, do you mean that it is slower and has weaker signal than other devices? Given that my home internet is still on DSL, I think I might not even notice the difference in WiFi speed
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I just mean that the problems are widely reported and backed by the test data in that article. I have never had any noticeable issues myself, though.
No surprise here.
IPad Pro is a $1000+ real product with the full forces of Apple R&D, manufacturing and Q&A behind it.
Pixel C is more like a prototype made by a small team inside a big company whose core business isn't to build and sell devices.
It's borderline silly to compare these 2 without comparing the budgets, the staff and the marketing/sales "intentions".
That's been said there is no doubt the Pixel C has room for wifi optimizations but then is this really necessary ? it's not meant to be widely sold at a huge scale. Its purpose is not to have the best wifi possible. I'd rather have Google staff working on next gen Android & Chrome OS features for the Pixel C rather than wasting their time fine tuning & optimizing its wifi...
People should stop considering the Pixel C as a real product. It's more like a dev kit / prototype / experimentation device. Not a real device that you can find in a shop next door like an IPad or a Samsung tablet. It's meant for Googlers to work on new features, for 3rd party apps devs to prepare their next gen apps and for tech enthusiasts to preview stuff.
So, in that context, thinking about a class action is just plain silly.
No problems at all with WiFi. How can ortople be sure it's not an external factor at play? I wouldn't trust Anandtech. They take bribes from anyone with deep edbough pockets. No better than paid for survey companies.
Until they post an ethics and gifting policy, you should disregard anything they have to say.
What exactly is the wifi issue? I got a Pixel C recently, knowing about the issue roughly; but I've never had any issues. I just ran a Speedtest connected to a 5Ghz network and pulled down 106Mbps (down) and 25Mbps (up); this is about the same I get on a wired connection (actually better on average, for some reason).
i've had absolutely no issues, either, but i also have a device from the newer batch (612300) and i'm running n. it actually works better than my nexus 10 in some cases, though i have yet to test it in an area with saturated wifi.
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I wouldn't trust Anandtech. They take bribes from anyone with deep edbough pockets. No better than paid for survey companies.
Until they post an ethics and gifting policy, you should disregard anything they have to say.
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I am not saying you are wrong, but I have never seen anything to give me the impression that their objective testing is skewed in any way. They clearly have subjective opinions about products and it is no secret they tend to lean towards iOS devices. That being said, they generally have, by far, the most thorough, quantifiable testing and results of any mobile device review site.
Do you have any sources or examples to back up your claims? I would definitely like to know, as I do consider them to be a trusted source for thorough, numbers based, and high level reviews. I tend to leave the subjective opinions up to myself, though.
Proved my deep suspicions from Day 1 and yes there is absolutely ground for a class action here since this product is being sold as the Android tablet , not an experimental product with a disclaimer that core features like wifi may be seriously broken.
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Proved my deep suspicions from Day 1 and yes there is absolutely ground for a class action here since this product is being sold as the Android tablet , not an experimental product with a disclaimer that core features like wifi may be seriously broken.
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ROFL so what's a class action gonna do? Get you like $300 cash or $500 of Google play, after 3-4 years.
If you don't want the tablet, sell it, and give it someone who wants it
May be nudge Google's hardware team towards better QAand something is always better than nothing.
No issues with wifi, either using my home router or tethering. So I don't know what the issue is as a practical matter.
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I would be interested to know what scenario people are reporting good Wi-Fi performance in. I know that my c definitely has a problem as soon as the Wi-Fi signal drops below -75dB. This happens when trying to use when in the garden. The main issue is that it drops the connection and refuses to connect to it again without the Wi-Fi being switched on & off. It reminds me of the behaviour that I used to get with the 'don't connect to connecting with poor Wi-Fi signal' - except that -75dB isn't really a low signal. All my other android devices (oneplus 2, hudl2 & Nexus 5) all give reliable performance at the same distance (20m).
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I would be interested to know what scenario people are reporting good Wi-Fi performance in. I know that my c definitely has a problem as soon as the Wi-Fi signal drops below -75dB. This happens when trying to use when in the garden. The main issue is that it drops the connection and refuses to connect to it again without the Wi-Fi being switched on & off. It reminds me of the behaviour that I used to get with the 'don't connect to connecting with poor Wi-Fi signal' - except that -75dB isn't really a low signal. All my other android devices (oneplus 2, hudl2 & Nexus 5) all give reliable performance at the same distance (20m).
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Only had this tablet a week but I have had no Wifi issues and I live in an apartment with metal studs that cause problems for many of my other devices. As a matter of fact I write this sitting in a garden with a -80db signal. I am on N so that may (I hope) have something to do with my lack of wifi issues.
here is a comparsion of my Pixel vs my phone 10 feet from the router. My phone saturates my link, while the pixel comes up 100mbps short. It is still fast enough...but at further ranges it gets worse fast.
https://goo.gl/photos/NdC3KG4186xuifDW6
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For the record, I have absolutely no problems with WiFi with my Pixel C. I live in a 2 bedroom apartment with a highly saturated WiFi environment. I think the WiFi is unquestionably bad, but my usage scenario generally revolves around reading the news while pooping and watching media in airports/airplanes. In my scenario, none of the problems have even remotely affected me.
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Same here, I live in a tiny, packed city (1.3 square miles, about 50k people) across the river from NYC and I have easily 15-20 WAPs showing up on any wifi device and while I did have wifi problems, turns out it was my sh!tty verizon router and the overly packed 2.4 GHz band. Once I got an AC router and hopped on the 5 GHz band I've had no problems at all!
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What exactly is the wifi issue? I got a Pixel C recently, knowing about the issue roughly; but I've never had any issues. I just ran a Speedtest connected to a 5Ghz network and pulled down 106Mbps (down) and 25Mbps (up); this is about the same I get on a wired connection (actually better on average, for some reason).
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I've only seen problems connecting with very poor wifi signals. The only time I ever really had problems connecting was in a hotel where it would see the WAP, try to connect and then fail, even with the "only connect to strong WAPs" option turned off. I have no problems at my apartment or at my parent's house.
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Proved my deep suspicions from Day 1 and yes there is absolutely ground for a class action here since this product is being sold as the Android tablet , not an experimental product with a disclaimer that core features like wifi may be seriously broken.
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I'm sorry but people like you are the reason why we need labels on everything warning someone about every possible thing that could happen, just so they can cover their a$$es in case some idiot attempts to sue for something ridiculous (e.g. a warning on a jar of peanuts that says "warning: contains peanuts!"....yes, Planter's peanuts actually has that warning on the jar lol). I think you're using a bit of hyperbole there, the wifi is not "seriously broken" because it obviously works fine for most people, including myself and it seems like largely a software issue since Cheep5k8 has largely fixed most of the issues with his kernel. There's probably not even a large enough amount of people that even on the Pixel C, I wouldn't doubt that less than 50k have it. It's a pretty expensive device that wasn't really marketed at all, not many people outside of Android/Tech geeks know about it.
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ROFL so what's a class action gonna do? Get you like $300 cash or $500 of Google play, after 3-4 years. If you don't want the tablet, sell it, and give it someone who wants it
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More like $3.00 or $4.00 :laugh: Have you even been involved in a class action lawsuit? I've gotten the emails before that says I could claim a payment if I wanted to but the payouts are hysterically laughably low, I think for the Amazon e-book price fixing scandal, I could claim about 10-30 cents because I bought like 5 books from them over the course of a few years. I think the biggest payout I've ever received was a few bucks and that maybe have been on a few hundred dollar purchase, hell even class action lawsuits on cars that cost $30k+ receive payouts of maybe a few hundred dollars hahahaha Instead of selling it and getting something that works better he'd rather keep the tablet then ***** and complain about how the wifi sucks and he deserves to be repaid for buying something with sub-par wifi