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linux patch that MASSIVELY improves smoothness

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2637_video&num=1
This is a 200 line patch that according to linux was according to Linus the most impressive result of code that is elegant - 200 lines long - and should be wound into the phone linux as well
---- edit - and here is why it isnt going to be of any use for us...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=822756&page=210
and the meat of it from bilboa1 :-
Originally Posted by giulio.alfano
Have you seen these? w_w_w.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2637_video&num=1
Phoronix(and Linus) say that is a miraculous 200 lines patch to increase interactivty? Can you consider the inclusion, of course if group scheduling in android 2.6.32 kernel is compatible?
the process groups are created per tty, that wont work on android
you can create process groups by hand however but it doesn't make a lot of sense for android in that case. the goal is to have some intensive tasks into their own group, but theres no intensive tasks and we don't have issues like audio or video lagging
their tweak is especially good if you run a compilation in the background and want to browse the web while waiting without having slow downs.
on android if you browse the web you dont have other cpu heavy tasks in progress usually (like encoding a video or what not)
i hope that was clear enough

I've off works urlaub would bei awesome
Where are the developers, who can say, if it works?
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Wouldnt get too excited,phoronix is like the sun of linux news
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Already discussed - its useless on phone. Phone will be even slower.
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dupel said:
Already discussed - its useless on phone. Phone will be even slower.
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Lets save statements like these after it has been actually tested.

KhaaL said:
Lets save statements like these after it has been actually tested.
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Not everything needs to be tested. If you make a program to draw a circle, it wont make a square, let alone cook eggs. (it's the case for this patch at the technical level, beyond the "wow" words from 1st post)
Note: there's other patches in 2.6.37 for responsiveness which are different from the one spoken about here which are actually likely to improve things. But probably not as drastic.

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Already discussed - its useless on phone. Phone will be even slower.
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Got any links to where I can find out what you know?
I was *hoping* that if it made desktops much more responsive under heavy loadings that it would help with the phone - its not like we have slow cpu's in these things Or is it cpu architecture that allows the improvments and the phones just are not compatible? or something else?
just wanting to know more and to hopefully get a dev who thinks its worth taking a look to see - 200 lines of code - *cof* (ducks behind armour) "how hard could it be?" *runs for cover*
i get this sinking feeling from the subtle - and not so subtle comments from you guys tho - that its just not really suited for how android works on a phone....

cbdrift said:
Got any links to where I can find out what you know?
I was *hoping* that if it made desktops much more responsive under heavy loadings that it would help with the phone - its not like we have slow cpu's in these things Or is it cpu architecture that allows the improvments and the phones just are not compatible? or something else?
just wanting to know more and to hopefully get a dev who thinks its worth taking a look to see - 200 lines of code - *cof* (ducks behind armour) "how hard could it be?" *runs for cover*
i get this sinking feeling from the subtle - and not so subtle comments from you guys tho - that its just not really suited for how android works on a phone....
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Read last 5 pages in hardcore kernel topic.

knowing one and the other about linux, I have to disagree with those who say: it's gonna make your phone slower..
why? in linux, things constantly run in the background. and what this patch does, is give priority to foreground processes. True, there isn't MUCH in the background, so results may not be super, but the compile with 64 threads is just AN EXAMPLE of what it can do. That's the PERFECT situation to demonstrate. This doesn't mean that it sucks for everything else! It just means that it works
So stop *****ing and just test it before you start yapping that it's bad, doesn't work on phones etc... There is no right and wrong here, there is just: test it and see if it works!
i'd like to have a REAL technical discussion with these people here that are so-called experts... Because their arguments (excusez-le-mot) SUCK.
so please adapt your first post, because what they are saying is just guessing and not based on experiments nor experience, which renders it completely useless
Just my 2 cents

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Already discussed - its useless on phone. Phone will be even slower.
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discussion is worthless, you can't convince me with some "maybe this, possibly that", if you say it's useless: give hard numbers or (sorry, but...) stfu!

UPDATE:
i've been reading up on the lkml and i think there are some very interesting possibilities here...
What this program does, is put the tty-bound processes in a special cgroup. While this is done automatically, there is also a possibility to just do the same in userspace. (check Lennart from redhat's solution).
It basicly creates a different cgroup for foreground processes, he does it in the bash profile. But i think that with this in mind, we can create cgroup handler for our "most important" apps to make them more responsive!
I've been looking into hardcore's kernel and it already has cgroup support built in, so it's actually just a matter of using it properly
how? check lennart's comments further in the lkml thread because you have to look out to clean up cgroups when no more processes use it.
Anyway, when properly tuned, it should be even better than the kernel patch people talked about!

These type of changes would suit more underpowered devices like the Hero or G1 but imho I dont know why the galaxy S needs it, my IO after applying OCLF is 2300+ apps, any lag issues are not due to the current modded kernels available as they are really good..

Idk why people don't understand simple things
cgroups does not magically makes your apps more responsive. It makes groups of processes which are scheduled together at the same level instead of doing it per process.
So, the group of "make" processes during a make -j64 get all globally a lower share of resources (than if they weren't grouped), allowing the group "browser" process to get enough resources to be smooth.
Without, each make process (64 of them) would get an equal resource time, which would also be equal to the browser, which ends up not being very nice for the desktop.
Now on the phone.. do you have a make -j64 running [IN THE BACKGROUND]? nope. do you have an heavy process or group of processes running [IN THE BACKGROUND]? nope.
Your front task is always the one taking most resources. If you put it in a group you might even decrease it's performance and responsiveness.
It's a double edged sword. You see, when they schedule the make -j64 process group, your browser is smooth but the make -j 64 process group is *slower*.
So unless a group of processes on the phone are taking too much cpu (i know of none doing that unless they're on the foreground), it's useless

bilboa1 said:
Idk why people don't understand simple things
cgroups does not magically makes your apps more responsive. It makes groups of processes which are scheduled together at the same level instead of doing it per process.
So, the group of "make" processes during a make -j64 get all globally a lower share of resources (than if they weren't grouped), allowing the group "browser" process to get enough resources to be smooth.
Without, each make process (64 of them) would get an equal resource time, which would also be equal to the browser, which ends up not being very nice for the desktop.
Now on the phone.. do you have a make -j64 running [IN THE BACKGROUND]? nope. do you have an heavy process or group of processes running [IN THE BACKGROUND]? nope.
Your front task is always the one taking most resources. If you put it in a group you might even decrease it's performance and responsiveness.
It's a double edged sword. You see, when they schedule the make -j64 process group, your browser is smooth but the make -j 64 process group is *slower*.
So unless a group of processes on the phone are taking too much cpu (i know of none doing that unless they're on the foreground), it's useless
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very true... that's why it still might be possible to group "your current task" and "all the rest". That (might) give you an advantage still...
and as said: i'm not saying it IS better, i'm saying it might be worth testing
hence the suggestion i put in post 11: make something that puts the application you start in foreground in a dedicated group and EVERYTHING else in another. When you background that process, move it to the "pool" group
it might just help!! (so... don't shoot the idea too soon )

Android accelerator - A Magic runs same speed than a Nexus

Hi all,
Very impressed after watching this video on the Cyanogen Mod :
Demo video : http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/...aster-flexycore-thanks-cyanogenmod-community/
I m pleased to share it with you and would like to know what you're thinking about this "droidBooster" which make an old HTC running at the same speed than a Nexus One! :

Whats the point of this?
What does a video of a video player proove? Wouldn't some real time benchmarks like linpack or quadrant be more proof.
Still why didnt they have 2 Nexus One's and show how much faster the one with droidbooster got.
All these booster softwares sound abit like all the BS booster softwares for windows.
sceptical...

Hmm I suspect that they are overclocking because they didnt mention anything about clock speed but lets hope that its legit
Edit: they have an apk in the market
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Imperial.mack said:
Hmm I suspect that they are overclocking because they didnt mention anything about clock speed but lets hope that its legit
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I hardly think they are overclocking becose that would make the software only runnable on rooted devices. Which would remove a huge part of their possible market share.
And overclocking with that much improvement in performance? Youd have to double the clock rates. Which on nearly all devices is damn close to impossible. Except for Desire-Z for example.
Unless they somehow are without Root overclocking it or changing the kernel to their own super optimized i dont really see how this is done.

nd the nexus one can fly beyond their limits?

They posted this video showing how it works basically:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEAz9fRoDmA

Their software modifies the Dalvik code, which means that you do not only need to be root, but you also can't install this software without modifying your ROM.

From the web page http://www.flexycore.com/droidbooster-overview.html
"DroidBooster technology enables to compile any Android Java code in optimized native binary when generating the ROM, taking full power of the underlying CPU for high performance and low power execution."
This is not overclocking, but maybe be a paid app (and very expensive app)
Sorry 4 my poor english

It's actually more like Jit.
See this video for further explications : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEAz9fRoDmA
Lol ok took me so much time to answer that already 4 ppl posted !!

After looking at the company website who developed DroidBooster, I discover an other Video with a principle presentation of droidbooster.
"DroidBooster relies on compiling and executing any embedded Java Code of an Android system as binary." according to the video available here:
ww.youtube.com/watch?v=tEAz9fRoDmA[/url]

this thing is kinda bs imo. And the guy's voice is just gay

LoL
I hope to come out soon

If this thing really does what the company claims, then Google will probably buy the code from them. Also limiting this software to rooted phones means it wouldn't make a ton of cash, and then expecting them to cook and sign their own ROMs is a weird business model. In other words, it's meant for developers only, so we kinda have to wait for official incorporation.

exciting! hope they support the nexus ..

DDM123 said:
If this thing really does what the company claims, then Google will probably buy the code from them.
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No, I doubt this code is worth anything to google. All they say they are doing it converting the dalvic code into native code. If google wanted to do that they could very easily, the JIT they included with Froyo already does do it to some extent.

I won't believe this for a second. I have both the N1 and Magic, and I can safely say the N1 is MUCH faster. It should be a no-brainer, just look at the specs. The Magic was what -- the second Android ever!? They were bound to improve, and the N1 set the bar high a year ago. Now look at the plethora of fast devices we have, and the N1 can be thanked for that. I once read that one of the reasons Google launched the Nexus was to jump-start the "super" smart phone market, because manufacturers weren't pushing the bar far enough in their devices. N1 set a standard for the rest of them. The way I see it, the Magic was nothing more than an early experiment.
And I never had an issue playing videos on my Magic anyway. What proof is that? The N1 is definitely more responsive, boots 10x faster, never runs out of memory. The Magic pretty much requires an app killer; never needed one on the Nexus. I can go on and on, but I think I made my point.

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I won't believe this for a second. I have both the N1 and Magic, and I can safely say the N1 is MUCH faster. It should be a no-brainer, just look at the specs. The Magic was what -- the second Android ever!? They were bound to improve, and the N1 set the bar high a year ago. Now look at the plethora of fast devices we have, and the N1 can be thanked for that. I once read that one of the reasons Google launched the Nexus was to jump-start the "super" smart phone market, because manufacturers weren't pushing the bar far enough in their devices. N1 set a standard for the rest of them. The way I see it, the Magic was nothing more than an early experiment.
And I never had an issue playing videos on my Magic anyway. What proof is that? The N1 is definitely more responsive, boots 10x faster, never runs out of memory. The Magic pretty much requires an app killer; never needed one on the Nexus. I can go on and on, but I think I made my point.
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Not really. The point is that this guy is claiming to make java code run in native binary, thus ensuring that the CPU isn't doing unnecessary work to interpret and run java code. If possible (who's to say) then it would make a Magic run much faster than it does. It might even be feasible to suggest that it would run as fast as a stock Nexus.
Think about it this way, why is it that the original iPhone UI is so smooth? The code is optimized and run as a native binary, not some VM that has to be compiled and run by the CPU every time it wants it. Native code would make the Magic much faster.
The whole point is moot though, because this isn't something that you will see bundled into an .apk anytime soon. It might be novel code that Google picks up on and uses in later OS revisions though. Who knows.
sassafras

As i understand it will cost a high memory consumption, where 512mb of ram will be not enought for it (Actually its already not enough on miui rom with Dalvik VM, on nexus1 i have only 130mb free). And high power drain.
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Btw i dont believe it, they just want to make some money with air bubbles

Tim4 said:
As i understand it will cost a high memory consumption, where 512mb of ram will be not enought for it (Actually its already not enough on miui rom with Dalvik VM, on nexus1 i have only 130mb free). And high power drain.
Welcome back to Windows Mobile
Btw i dont believe it, they just want to make some money with air bubbles
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"Only" 130MB free? It's 130MB that isn't ever used by the system, making it wasted 130MB, and you're referring to it as "only"?
This point was discussed zillions of times in Autokiller Minfree and "Don't need task killers" threads. Android has efficient memory management, Nexus having it VERY efficient since Froyo, much more efficient than really needed. It never uses its 400MB of user memory or even close to it.
Funny, how marketing affects people. They want more of the things they don't need.

Jack_R1 said:
"Only" 130MB free? It's 130MB that isn't ever used by the system, making it wasted 130MB, and you're referring to it as "only"?
This point was discussed zillions of times in Autokiller Minfree and "Don't need task killers" threads. Android has efficient memory management, Nexus having it VERY efficient since Froyo, much more efficient than really needed. It never uses its 400MB of user memory or even close to it.
Funny, how marketing affects people. They want more of the things they don't need.
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Yeah, i call it "the only free memory."
Take a look:
You have 130mb left.
1)browser eats 65mb of ram. 65mb left
2)+some other apps that running at background/service.
So what i have in result?
My apps often be killed by android because out of memory.
The most anoying thing is when im surfing, writing some stuff on forums i get my browser killed with data lost. Its rare but still hapens.
Another real example: Dungeon Defenders. When i play it, i got almost all my apps be kicked from memory.
P.s. I know about wipe. Just moved to latest 1.1.14miui, have wiped everything 3 times.
P.s.2 ofcource it depends on how many apps you have and which rom you use. No problems with ram on stock android but i just dont like it, so...

why upgrade to windows 8?

I am really fail to find any reason to use windows 8 in any form .
i use now windows 7 x64 and i really fail to see how windows 8 is better other then that ugly stupid Metro thing good only in tablets.
some minor fixes and changes but i won't do a clean install just for that.
So please light me why Microsoft even made it?

mri.project said:
I am really fail to find any reason to use windows 8 in any form .
i use now windows 7 x64 and i really fail to see how windows 8 is better other then that ugly stupid Metro thing good only in tablets.
some minor fixes and changes but i won't do a clean install just for that.
So please light me why Microsoft even made it?
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First off its no % faster its X faster ie text rendering is like 10X faster etc.
The new start screen is far more productive.
You can use 16bit installers on 64bit os
better hardware support
way more secure
more stable
better power management uses fraction of the battery
built in hardware acceleration across the whole OS
better graphics handling
cleaner os that gets less clutter by design
You can save your entire system to a usb stick for working remote sites
better memory management
faster booting programs - crisis was half the time, auto cad was 1/4
boots faster including instant boot - with the correct hardware
wakes from sleep almost instantly (less then a second on an old Centrino laptop)
SSD support is far better - faster
AND YOU DONT NEED TO USE METRO APPS!!! If you don't like Metro don't use it! If you want to give up on vastly better faster more secure more stable system because you prefer to search a list instead of looking at a grid of tiles then so be it. And all that for a few quid as well, I don't get this hate i really don't please someone actually explain it to me! Why is it such a bad thing? Surely its only a cosmetic thing as other then that its much much better for a pile of reasons i have listed in other threads and at worst its on par. Surely you love of a list to sacrifice progression is just odd and you cant then argue its about productivity as for a ton of reasons win 8 smashes any other version out the park on that.

I would never pay full retail for it but for $40... this is a major upgrade to the OS in terms of stability and performance. Also, you don't necessarily need a clean install (i hope for microsoft's sake).

-Copy and delete jobs can now be paused. Yeah. You'll be missing out on a feature that simple if you don't upgrade.
-Multiple copy/delete jobs now take up a single window. No longer will multiple copy/delete jobs clog the task bar with multiple instances.
-Realtime, background backups with multiple states (So you can access every single version of a file there ever was on your computer)
-Backup to network hard-drives
-The $40 upgrade will net you Windows 8 Pro, even if you only have Windows 7 Home Premium. That means you'll get all the extra stuff like encryption and a maximum 192GB of RAM, rather than 16GB.
-Integrated social networks/mail/calendar/etc
-Cloud synchronisation of OS settings
-Simple and clean recovery options
-File copy jobs are now like 2+ times faster
-Faster in all aspects. Less CPU usage, less RAM usage, faster file management.
-Absolutely no intrusion from Windows Update. Ever. No pop ups or anything.
The boot times truly are astonishing. My Windows 8 Release Preview notebook with 7200rpm hard drive boots faster than my Windows 7 with SSD, even though the notebook's installation is older and the hard drive is more full.
Every boot, unless you restart due to an update, is sort of a hybrid between hibernation and full shutdown. Drivers and system files in a loaded state are saved to the disk, and immediately transferred into the RAM at boot.
UI navigation is faster than Windows 7, too. I only used the start menu to search. I never actually used All Programs because it was too slow and small to navigate, and got clogged with readmes and other stuff.

aegixnova said:
UI navigation is faster than Windows 7, too. I only used the start menu to search. I never actually used All Programs because it was too slow and small to navigate, and got clogged with readmes and other stuff.
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I avoided the all programs because it took way too many clicks to get anywhere. But on Windows 8 its just a "click" or two of the scroll wheel and you're there (depending on how you arrange your start screen).
Though what bugs me the most is that when you install a program it pins so many shortcuts to the start screen (probably devs have to fix it themselves). For example I installed solidworks last week and it put 15-20 icons on there for all of its settings and edrawings crap.

SSD faster??
I'm running two vortex 3 raid 0 will this be faster?
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mri.project said:
I am really fail to find any reason to use windows 8 in any form .
i use now windows 7 x64 and i really fail to see how windows 8 is better other then that ugly stupid Metro thing good only in tablets.
some minor fixes and changes but i won't do a clean install just for that.
So please light me why Microsoft even made it?
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w8 is a downgrade for you. just enjoy what you have

ohgood said:
w8 is a downgrade for you. just enjoy what you have
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Please explain your comment instead of just putting up FUD! How in any way is Windows 8 a downgrade from 7? We are open to talks both ways but your comment is just inflammatory negative and plain wrong without any valid argument or point!
I would really love to hear your views on WHY it is a downgrade please share. I have yet to find anyone who can say why other then "I don't like the way it looks". You seem to be very direct with your point so you must have reasons! come on share them or are you just a troll?
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SSD faster??
I'm running two vortex 3 raid 0 will this be faster?
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Yes,
though running vortex in raid 0 is risky they have a fairly high fail rate and yes you get some speed bens of 0 with SSD its not anything like the diff in hhd running it.

lumpaywk said:
Please explain your comment instead of just putting up FUD! How in any way is Windows 8 a downgrade from 7? We are open to talks both ways but your comment is just inflammatory negative and plain wrong without any valid argument or point!
I would really love to hear your views on WHY it is a downgrade please share. I have yet to find anyone who can say why other then "I don't like the way it looks". You seem to be very direct with your point so you must have reasons! come on share them or are you just a troll?
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Yes,
though running vortex in raid 0 is risky they have a fairly high fail rate and yes you get some speed bens of 0 with SSD its not anything like the diff in hhd running it.
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fear, uncertainty and doubt was not spread by me. also, there was no inflammation involved.
also, when you use "we" instead of "I", you infer a representation of more than one person. I commented to the op, very specifically, and am only speaking for myself. are you speaking for a group?
read the op's original post. he doesn't like w8, doesn't care for the UI, doesn't like the features that are new. very simply, he doesn't need to downgrade to something he's not interested in, and will receive little to no benefit from.

ohgood said:
fear, uncertainty and doubt was not spread by me. also, there was no inflammation involved.
also, when you use "we" instead of "I", you infer a representation of more than one person. I commented to the op, very specifically, and am only speaking for myself. are you speaking for a group?
read the op's original post. he doesn't like w8, doesn't care for the UI, doesn't like the features that are new. very simply, he doesn't need to downgrade to something he's not interested in, and will receive little to no benefit from.
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We if ref the community as a whole, generally if you go to forums its because you wish to share knowledge and/or talk about the pro and cons of each topic. Clearly your not involved in this collective as you fall into the closed minded I need to spread hate category that plague us.
Second of all you have not put any constructive point still. Yes the OP stated a dislike for the UI but asked past that is there a reason to upgrade so you listing the original concern is not putting forward anything.
Yes there is no need but then there is no NEED to leave XP for a couple years yet but does that mean if I like the look of XP its a downgrade to go to 7 or 8? personally I think the best looking phone is the nokia 8850 does that mean that im on a downgraded phone now I use my Lumia 800 or my One X?
There has been plenty of reasons put forward as to why its a good upgrade look above ie faster, more secure, better hardware support, better graphics support, faster browsing, better power consumption etc etc but I guess there all downgrades to after all who wants to be secure and fast when you can have something older and slower because you don't like the "look" of something you use about 1% of the time.
Also no the fear isn't spread by you its spread by the closed minded, the commenters that look at vids instead of using, reporters paid by Apple a fear of the unknown an unwillingness to change and more then anything else a game dev who stands to lose out after MS offer something better then his silly games store that runs better on 8 then 7.

that was a lot to read. where was your positive input?

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that was a lot to read. where was your positive input?
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It is nothing to do with positive or negative input! Its about that input having substance or meaning and pref with facts or evidence to back it up. To say something is a downgrade when someone is asking for advice from people that have insight when you have nothing to back that up is not only negative and derogatory its also of no help. If you have a valid reason why then by all means share it but as I said, only someone who has not even used Windows 8 for any amount of time would think that the new interface is anything more than a slight change to people that don't want to install metro apps.

lumpaywk said:
It is nothing to do with positive or negative input! Its about that input having substance or meaning and pref with facts or evidence to back it up. To say something is a downgrade when someone is asking for advice from people that have insight when you have nothing to back that up is not only negative and derogatory its also of no help. If you have a valid reason why then by all means share it but as I said, only someone who has not even used Windows 8 for any amount of time would think that the new interface is anything more than a slight change to people that don't want to install metro apps.
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again, the op said he didtn like it.
is it not fairly easy to understand that using something you like less , is a downgrade?
no matter how much paint you put on a pig, its still a pig.
now, hold her horses, this is -not- a comparison to w8. this simply means , no matter how much you point out how great something is, if someone doesn't like pig.... they just don't like pig!

ohgood said:
again, the op said he didtn like it.
is it not fairly easy to understand that using something you like less , is a downgrade?
no matter how much paint you put on a pig, its still a pig.
now, hold her horses, this is -not- a comparison to w8. this simply means , no matter how much you point out how great something is, if someone doesn't like pig.... they just don't like pig!
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using your own analogy, pigs are very often miss understood animals, many people who don't like pigs would like them if the bothered to get to know them

dazza9075 said:
using your own analogy, pigs are very often miss understood animals, many people who don't like pigs would like them if the bothered to get to know them
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mannnnn, you're goooooood.
works for me! now convince the op
I'm lazy, if someone says they hate pigs, I just let em eat fish. or birds. or whatever.

I use my pc purely for gaming and Web browsing. I use my mbp for everything else as I prefer osx for productivity. Those things listed don't seem to help much for Gaming. I have ssd sata3, will speeds improve? Also ultimate 7 already allows me to back up to a network hdd. I haven't read much good about gaming.. Gabe Newell didn't seem to like what win8 had to offer. Thoughts?
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so i read this thread yesterday b/c i was thinking of upgrading to W8... just installed it, and aside from something going wrong and me having to do a clean install halfway through installation which means i lost all my existing files, this thing is AWESOME!!! takes a moment to get used to... but having the option to use the normal look is good to have on there!! now time to install all my programs again lol
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also forgot to mention... is there anyway to integrate gmail instead of this microsoft email stuff?? being an android user, my stuff is heavily sync'd already in that area and i think it would be great to have similar integration to this too!!

the1dynasty said:
so i read this thread yesterday b/c i was thinking of upgrading to W8... just installed it, and aside from something going wrong and me having to do a clean install halfway through installation which means i lost all my existing files, this thing is AWESOME!!! takes a moment to get used to... but having the option to use the normal look is good to have on there!! now time to install all my programs again lol
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also forgot to mention... is there anyway to integrate gmail instead of this microsoft email stuff?? being an android user, my stuff is heavily sync'd already in that area and i think it would be great to have similar integration to this too!!
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Mail app is trash for gmail (kind of like hotmail and yahoo for android - they suck). Same with people and messenger for facebook. It's better to use the desktop sites for these. Calendar is nice for viewing google calendar, it puts reminders on your lock screen and live tiles. Though if you want to change anything I would suggest using the website again.

thanks... i guess what i was referring to was the whole integration part... pictures, mail, im, etc... but i guess its not that big of a deal really... chrome installed fine and i just use that anyways... still some getting used to... but it's nice and i love the smoothness and speed of this!

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I use my pc purely for gaming and Web browsing. I use my mbp for everything else as I prefer osx for productivity. Those things listed don't seem to help much for Gaming. I have ssd sata3, will speeds improve? Also ultimate 7 already allows me to back up to a network hdd. I haven't read much good about gaming.. Gabe Newell didn't seem to like what win8 had to offer. Thoughts?
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Gaming and web browsing see a big improvement. That said I would wait till you get the final build drivers out for your graphics card as with any new system.
Games boot times and load times are massively improved, cutting some load times in half already (will get faster as drivers and updates come). Not only that most comparisons also see a reasonable diff in fps and that is on beta graphics drivers. On top of that you get some cool features like cross platform live integration and xp points. You get live chat without needing some clunky background software eating your resources. Also if you set up the backup features right if say you accidently over save a game you can roll back to any date the save file (there was a really good write up on how this is useful http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2012/08/03/how-windows-8-file-history-saved-my-career/ ). Don't listen to Gabe he is just kicking off because he sees the MS store as competition to his own and so is trying to manipulate the market into running an OS that again forces users into his store, nothing more than that!
Also browsing is improved though not as much as I would of like but even a small improvement is better than non. most notably is that test is now rendered with hardware acceleration as well as everything else. You deffo wont see a decrease here and its worth a note that its much more secure esp in metro browser (but then you lose plugin support but will ask if you want to flip to desktop so you don't lose anything really as it will just flip when you ask it to).

[Q] [App][2.3+] thesaurus word map - is my app really that bad it gets < 30 downloads

[Q] [App][2.3+] thesaurus word map - is my app really that bad it gets < 30 downloads
Heres the link https:// play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.valeonom.wordmap
I'm working on a cool way to do a dictionary in the app along with it being a thesaurus in it's current design. But with less than 30 downloads I feel like I want to do something else. When I first thought of the idea I thought of how cool it was all the way to finishing the app. And still think it's cool. Is the app bad? or is there something else that I'm missing for the so low downloads? Or maybe I just have too high of expectations?
Thank you

over_optimistic said:
Heres the link https:// play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.valeonom.wordmap
I'm working on a cool way to do a dictionary in the app along with it being a thesaurus in it's current design. But with less than 30 downloads I feel like I want to do something else. When I first thought of the idea I thought of how cool it was all the way to finishing the app. And still think it's cool. Is the app bad? or is there something else that I'm missing for the so low downloads? Or maybe I just have too high of expectations?
Thank you
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So apparently since this post 2 days ago you've grown to over 1000 downloads! Any tips on where you've been advertising?
Edit: Your app description looks a little short on words so it probably doesn't perform amazingly in the search results. Buffing out your description with keywords while avoiding looking too obvious will probably help boost your download count considerably.

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So apparently since this post 2 days ago you've grown to over 1000 downloads! Any tips on where you've been advertising?
Edit: Your app description looks a little short on words so it probably doesn't perform amazingly in the search results. Buffing out your description with keywords while avoiding looking too obvious will probably help boost your download count considerably.
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My app isn't new, its been around for almost 1 year. It had accumulated all those downloads very slowly. And the description, I played around with all sorts of different descriptions for a few weeks. Even playing around with the name of the app. No matter what I set as the description, or title it had no effect on downloads. If you looked at the download stats, you wouldn't be able to tell when any of the changes have occurred. I tried having creative descriptions like poetry. No effect.
I tried blasting the description with keywords and that didn't do anything either. Interestingly crappy descriptions does not negatively effect my downloads. I'm curious what will happen if I give my app a crappy name will it negatively effect downloads? So far everything pretty much didn't effect downloads in any way (positive or negative).
I'm thinking what will happen if I rename my app to be called "A" and description "A". haha. Like I doubt there will be a negative effect. I've been reading alot on marketing, and really this app is my "marketing experiment" as to me it seams very good to experiment with, and it's not a bad app. All experiments I mentioned in this post I let it collect data for minimum 7 days before trying the next thing. The fact that all of this does not change downloads, even changing the icon to a nicer looking one had no effect, really boggles me. Even more stranger no negative effects from crappy descriptions.

What you just did is called A/B Testing
First of all Congratulations on getting 1000 downloads. But I guess the thread should be useful for others still struggling with getting good downloads.
So here's the thing, 'trying out crappy titles', playing around with different descriptions and other such experiments are actually good for understanding the best trend but it might have serious repercussions. What you need to do is try A/B Testing where you still get to try these weird changes but on a much smaller scale. Of course you can only do these changes inside the app, but trust me that works.
And as for the problem at hand, you lacking a good marketing plan, here's one for you..
1. Before app release
2. During app release
3. After app release

[CLOSED]Rom development

Hii, guys I am an android developer and started working on SM-G360H and I am sure that a new PSK-OS release will surprise you all as it is first being launched by me for G360H till 1st July,2016. PSK-OS is a great OS which will increase your RAM by 50% and will support all most all formats like - apk, jar, etc. This OS will make your camera 40% more smooth and 0.5 MP more dense, also it is having a great UI named after PSK. This project has been completed almost 80% and it is based on both Linux and Unix. For further information comment or contact [email protected], join me on FB too.
Puneet Sharma
PSK

Then release it. We will test it

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Hii, guys I am an android developer and started working on SM-G360H and I am sure that a new PSK-OS release will surprise you all as it is first being launched by me for G360H till 1st July,2016. PSK-OS is a great OS which will increase your RAM by 50% and will support all most all formats like - apk, jar, etc. This OS will make your camera 40% more smooth and 0.5 MP more dense, also it is having a great UI named after PSK. This project has been completed almost 80% and it is based on both Linux and Unix. For further information comment or contact [email protected], join me on FB too.
Puneet Sharma
PSK
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Great job man
Hope it finish soon
Need any help like testing...etc
I can do that...and there are many others too
Thanks bro....

Hi OP,
I have few questions for you:
You said, your OS increases RAM by 50%. What you think dude, we are [email protected]$$es?
You can NEVER increase RAM through software. Never.
You said, it increases camera quality by 40%. Really bro, really? I don't think it's possible. What I know you can degrade camera quality in custom ROMs, not increase. Camera quality is already on peak in stock ROMs.
You said, camera more dense - 0.5MP. Again, dude. We're not dumbos. We know, it's impossible. MP is an hardware related thing. Even if you forcefully try to increase MP through software, you'll only degrade it's quality, because you would be faking the lens resolution.
This total post seems fishy to me. Even if you've made a new OS, it surely will never have any RAM increasing or Camera MP increasing thingy. If you really are developer, stop using lies in your projects here.

Explanation
Ram can be increased as well as camera can also be optimized as in stock rom RAM is limited due to it's Locked frequency which I have increased and camera in stock rom also have limited number of pixels for a smooth picture experience buy we can make it more clear and sharpen by powering it more but these both things will result in increasing your phone's temperature but we have another system which will control it easily.
Thanks
PSK

Just checkout at YouTube, search GOOGLE for "psk os"

then develop quickly bro

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Just checkout at YouTube, search GOOGLE for "psk os"
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I searched on YT and got an introductory video with couple of sh!tty slideshows. Are you kidding me, dude?!

Apart from what @AtomR has mentioned, I would like op to explain what Linux and UNIX based means. Iirc Linux, due to POSIX compliance, is Unix like, but is actually different from UNIX in many ways. I heard no any other Android being based on UNIX. In fact iOS is probably the only mobile OS based on UNIX (though quite distant from original UNIX).
You cannot increase RAM. You probably mean swap file. You cannot increase MP of camera by any software whatsoever then what the hardware supports. Some vendors like Sony reduce the permitted resolution of camera for some reason I don't know. In that case a software could increase MP. But in our phone it's actually 5MP. No more.
So I saw that YouTube video where he writes "apk,exe, deb can be installed". Even WINE hasnt been ported to android so far. Hello? Ding Ding? Are you in a fairy land? Is this some sort of sick joke? Also he says Launching Date Will Be Announced After Getting 1 Million Likes . Looks like he wants some quick bucks from YouTube monetisation.
I am so sorry I don't want to bash anyone here or anything. If you think you could achieve those results then good for you, but the possibility of such project being successful is highly unlikely, given that you don't seem to know much on Operating systems. We all are highly skeptical because your claims are lavish and you haven't shown anything rather giving a date which looks like some weird thing is going on.
P.S. Don't count your chickens before they're hatched.

Ok, guys. Should'nt we report this thread to mods?

AtomR said:
Ok, guys. Should'nt we report this thread to mods?
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Do it. 3 days has passed, and that weird guy seems quiet
Sent from my SM-G360H using XDA Labs

doesntexits said:
Do it. 3 days has passed, and that weird guy seems quiet
Sent from my SM-G360H using XDA Labs
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Done. Totally forgot about this.

AtomR said:
Hi OP,
I have few questions for you:
You said, your OS increases RAM by 50%. What you think dude, we are [email protected]$$es?
You can NEVER increase RAM through software. Never.
You said, it increases camera quality by 40%. Really bro, really? I don't think it's possible. What I know you can degrade camera quality in custom ROMs, not increase. Camera quality is already on peak in stock ROMs.
You said, camera more dense - 0.5MP. Again, dude. We're not dumbos. We know, it's impossible. MP is an hardware related thing. Even if you forcefully try to increase MP through software, you'll only degrade it's quality, because you would be faking the lens resolution.
This total post seems fishy to me. Even if you've made a new OS, it surely will never have any RAM increasing or Camera MP increasing thingy. If you really are developer, stop using lies in your projects here.
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^Exactly
rms112 said:
Apart from what @AtomR has mentioned, I would like op to explain what Linux and UNIX based means. Iirc Linux, due to POSIX compliance, is Unix like, but is actually different from UNIX in many ways. I heard no any other Android being based on UNIX. In fact iOS is probably the only mobile OS based on UNIX (though quite distant from original UNIX).
You cannot increase RAM. You probably mean swap file. You cannot increase MP of camera by any software whatsoever then what the hardware supports. Some vendors like Sony reduce the permitted resolution of camera for some reason I don't know. In that case a software could increase MP. But in our phone it's actually 5MP. No more.
So I saw that YouTube video where he writes "apk,exe, deb can be installed". Even WINE hasnt been ported to android so far. Hello? Ding Ding? Are you in a fairy land? Is this some sort of sick joke? Also he says Launching Date Will Be Announced After Getting 1 Million Likes . Looks like he wants some quick bucks from YouTube monetisation.
I am so sorry I don't want to bash anyone here or anything. If you think you could achieve those results then good for you, but the possibility of such project being successful is highly unlikely, given that you don't seem to know much on Operating systems. We all are highly skeptical because your claims are lavish and you haven't shown anything rather giving a date which looks like some weird thing is going on.
P.S. Don't count your chickens before they're hatched.
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^^This.
AtomR said:
Ok, guys. Should'nt we report this thread to mods?
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Yes.
Thread closed. Placeholder threads and monetzation of your ROMs are not allowed on XDA.