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[Q] Dual boot android with windows phone 7 is it possible?

Just a question for grins! I know the HD2 can dual boot Windows and Android but can the Epic dual boot Windows as well? I just think it would be something to check off my list to do for the heck of it even though Android is far better than Windows.

That is a good question

I don't think anyone is actually going to try unless they want a lawsuit from M$...unlike android Windows requires a license from M$..they let winmo phones slide cause they make money either way but I don't think they would let an Android phone running their OS slide...

I could be wrong but the snapdragon and htc phones may have x86 instructions... I don't know what winmo was written on though.
I'm almost positive there isn't an ARM version of windows.
So feel free to prove me wrong but if windows doesn't have an ARM binary and the hummingbird doesn't support x86, which I'm almost sure it doesn't. Then we won't see that happening anytime soon.
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Its been asked so many times try searching before you post
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snowmanwithahat said:
I could be wrong but the snapdragon and htc phones may have x86 instructions... I don't know what winmo was written on though.
I'm almost positive there isn't an ARM version of windows.
So feel free to prove me wrong but if windows doesn't have an ARM binary and the hummingbird doesn't support x86, which I'm almost sure it doesn't. Then we won't see that happening anytime soon.
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Snapdragons are based on ARM Cortex A8..its not x86...the mobile processor thats x86 is the Intel Moorestown...
You are confusing windows phone with actual windows..they have no relations..

Not to mention the above but wp7 has a phone identifier, do that would have to be spoofed as well for it to be at all useful.
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Windows 8 instead of Linux Webtop?

I've been browing the interwebs today, and I saw a little article about Windows 8. It reminded me that Windows 8 was going to be built from the up to support ARM devices. Given the power of ARM devices now (Tegra 2, OMAP dual-core, Apple A5, etc.) It wouldn't be unfeasible to see this in the future? How many people would like to use Windows 8 instead of webtop mode on the Atrix? I'm just rambling on, but it's a neat thought.

paravorheim said:
I've been browing the interwebs today, and I saw a little article about Windows 8. It reminded me that Windows 8 was going to be built from the up to support ARM devices. Given the power of ARM devices now (Tegra 2, OMAP dual-core, Apple A5, etc.) It wouldn't be unfeasible to see this in the future? How many people would like to use Windows 8 instead of webtop mode on the Atrix? I'm just rambling on, but it's a neat thought.
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I think windows phones only support certain drivers for cpus and gpus so if they don't support it I think your SOL regardless of how powerful it is. Kinda how if you bought the best graphics card available but didn't have a driver you might as well have integrated graphics (probably worse than that)
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Double post sorry.

I'm not talking about Windows Phone. Windows Phone 7 is a completely different beast, and I know that mainly Snapdragon CPUs are supported at this time, and probably Adreno 200-205 GPUs.
I'm talking about Windows 8, the next version of windows, slated to come out in maybe 2012, probably 2013.
Here's a link I just searched, can't find the one I originally saw:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-20026429-64.html?tag=mncol;9n
If by ARM devices they mean ANY ARM device, then we're in luck. Even if it only supports a certain ARM architecture, Cortex A9 will be fairly prevalent during the time Windows 8 would come out, so it's very likely Tegra 2 would be supported in the OS.

Ohhhh, ok gotcha sorry!
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+1 on topic
+1 on being able to run any version of windows on my atrix lapdock! I've got the debian linux stuff running but I've always had a thing for windows (especially 7 now) and all the programs I run on it. I would surely discard my laptop given the ability to run windows on the lapdock!

I'd love to see a dual boot option once windows 8 does come out
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This would be cool too see, but by the time windows 8 comes out we will all have the next gen Atrix with the tegra3 quadcore or equivalent.

darebear802 said:
+1 on being able to run any version of windows on my atrix lapdock! I've got the debian linux stuff running but I've always had a thing for windows (especially 7 now) and all the programs I run on it. I would surely discard my laptop given the ability to run windows on the lapdock!
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Windows 8 (ARM-build) will not immediately mean you can run any windows programs on it. Programs will have to be compiled for ARM support, just like anything else. It's possible MS may try to streamline it by having some form of on-the-fly x86 emulation but that would be way too demanding for most mobile ARM implementations.

It is unlikely to have many apps or drivers. Open source operating systems are much quicker and easier to port.

Steveg, I think microsoft specifically started that they would not emulate x86 in arm, and that if you wanted a program to work, you had to make sure it compiled in arm.
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Doesn't the webtop work by running an x-server off the existing android kernel and using modified ubuntu components? (I may be entirely wrong on this.)
If so, I we can't use the android kernel to boot Windows and we can't run both kernels concurrently. The only way I see this working is actually booting into a Windows 8 kernel (given Microsoft or more likely nVidia provide drivers), but in that case we wouldn't be running Android and thus probably would be restricted in terms of phone functionality.
Anyone with more webtop experience have any ideas?
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c-genx said:
Doesn't the webtop work by running an x-server off the existing android kernel and using modified ubuntu components? (I may be entirely wrong on this.)
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This is correct, except that the Android and Webtop environments both use the same *Linux* kernel.
If you wanted to run Windows 8 on the webtop, you'd have to either run it across the board or run it in some sort of virtualized machine.

Impossible. Won't ever happen. You know how they say there's no such thing as a dumb question? This thread tests that theory. Sorry buddy!
(Why? There's a litany of reasons: no driver support, no access to source code, Windows 8 is very far from being finished, no driver support, I doubt any devs would be willing to take the project, no drivers, and did I mention that the hardware for the Atrix and webtop doesn't have any NT/Windows drivers? )

deduction said:
Impossible. Won't ever happen. You know how they say there's no such thing as a dumb question? This thread tests that theory. Sorry buddy!
(Why? There's a litany of reasons: no driver support, no access to source code, Windows 8 is very far from being finished, no driver support, I doubt any devs would be willing to take the project, no drivers, and did I mention that the hardware for the Atrix and webtop doesn't have any NT/Windows drivers? )
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Today I will name you "Negative Nancy".

ChumleyEX said:
Today I will name you "Negative Nancy".
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Debbie downer has a point tho
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ChongoDroid said:
Debbie downer has a point tho
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true true
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Kal-el is rumored to be the ARM architecture that Microsoft showed off their Windows 8 demos on. nVidia has stated they intend to have ARM chips with Windows 8 support. It's entirely possible that they'll only release Windows 8 drivers for Tegra 3, but I see no reason why anyone can know for sure that nVidia won't provide Tegra 2 driver support. All this talk about it being impossible seems incredibly premature given nVidia's Windows 8 pledge.
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Okay, either you misunderstand me, our you are replying to someone else in this thread. Of course there its no source code yet. It's not finished. I was just throwing out an idea that if nvidia releases the drivers once windows for arm is released, then maybe instead of the linux webtop, we could use the windows 8 environment.
Edit: And the xda app doesn't quote replies.
As for windows 8 being run on I kal el,
yea, that's probably what will end up happening, but hey, we can dream, right?
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paravorheim said:
Okay, either you misunderstand me, our you are replying to someone else in this thread. Of course there its no source code yet. It's not finished. I was just throwing out an idea that if nvidia releases the drivers once windows for arm is released, then maybe instead of the linux webtop, we could use the windows 8 environment.
Edit: And the xda app doesn't quote replies.
As for windows 8 being run on I kal el,
yea, that's probably what will end up happening, but hey, we can dream, right?
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There's no source code yet? yet? it will never be! MS won't release its main product source code. It's just impossible, or totally impractical. I don't know if developers would be interested on this.

Windows 8 on our Xooms?

From what I understand, it is built off of ARM processors and our tablets run off of them as well. The public beta was just released but need work for tablet based devices. Pretty much later this year. Would you guus love it or hate it?
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE81S0CD20120229?irpc=932
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I'd absolutely love it. The enterprise integration would simply remove the limitations android has in the corporate environment i use daily. I'd love to jump on this bandwagon!
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I'd love it, gimme an excuse to get a xoom.
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They still haven't released an arm version yet (unless you are looking somewhere I haven't seen.) x86 and 64 bit are all that seem to be available here:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/iso

rvbarton said:
I'd absolutely love it. The enterprise integration would simply remove the limitations android has in the corporate environment i use daily. I'd love to jump on this bandwagon!
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ARM builds of Windows 8 will , at least initially, be limited in enterprise: http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/29/2833193/windows-8-arm-enterprise-management
What do you find lacking in Android ICS for enterprise? A good run-down of everything it's added in support of enterprise can be found here.

wes_s said:
They still haven't released an arm version yet (unless you are looking somewhere I haven't seen.) x86 and 64 bit are all that seem to be available here:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/iso
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That's why I stated later this year. Dual booting ICS and Windows will give me the ultimate tablet.
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knowledge561 said:
That's why I stated later this year. Dual booting ICS and Windows will give me the ultimate tablet.
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I also want this. But, unfortunately, it probably won't be possible on ARM hardware without some serious hacks: Windows 8 secure boot
The more likely scenario is getting an x86 build of Android dual-booting with a Windows 8 tablet/laptop.

yes i love ittttttttttttttttttt

[Q] But will it run windows8?

The specs seem ok but does anyone have any plans to dual boot windows 8 on this mini beast?

Possible, yes
Legal, no
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Why would you want to?
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trooperbill said:
The specs seem ok but does anyone have any plans to dual boot windows 8 on this mini beast?
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Maybe but why would you want to put that crappy OS on it?

i would like Ubuntu, not some m$ s*it

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Possible, yes
Legal, no
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Unlikely, as win8rt will only come as builds dedicated to a specific device (with that device) and the win8rt bootloader requires a secureboot-enabled EFI bios with _only_ the MS keys embedded. (E.G. how often did windows CE get hacked onto a device that never had it)
_If_ we see win8rt on other T3 Kai platforms, that end up exploitable _and_ people are able to hack out the EFI secure bootloader stuff, then _maybe you'll see a ropey build do the rounds, but I wouldn't count on it

No and why would be the answer.
Windows 8 won't run windows apps and it's a step back to the dark ages in UI design.
Microsoft have also locked have ensured that windows 8 will only boot on approved hardware with signed EFI certs. This also means that a windows 8 ARM tablet won't boot anything else either.
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Windows 8 RT sucks anyway, even if it was ported most people wouldn't care because it's RT and Arm based so it's not like your installing diablo 3.
now if someone releases an intel x86 android tablet, thats another story.
Still, can't wait for Microsoft Surface Pro, that thing looks amazing.

As everyone has said, It is not possible. Even if someone got the EFI to pass, windows RT was not designed for tegra devices.

Questions go in the Q&A section

Yea. But can it run Crysis? :laugh:

calvin4001 said:
As everyone has said, It is not possible. Even if someone got the EFI to pass, windows RT was not designed for tegra devices.
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The RT model uses tegra 3.
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Any Nexus forced to run Windows would die of shame... Might as well ask if it would run Ios6.

This has troll written all over it. Shame on you OP..lol.

sorry... (hangs head in shame)

Don't be ashamed. This is a very legitimate question.
Windows 8 finally brings a true mobile windows. And it would be awesome if the nexus could dual boot into it.
Now Windows 8 RT kinda sucks ass since outside of office your just running windows phone apps basically though i'm sure that'll change eventually.
Plus, windows 8 is not really meant for a 7" screen, more like 10" minimum right now.
but as it's been said, it'll probably never happen due to many different reasons.
my advice, save up for a surface pro thats coming out in december/january

trooperbill said:
sorry... (hangs head in shame)
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Nah man I was fukn wit ya.lol Your cool..:laugh:

By by intel atom....

didnt see this but zenfone2 is last fone that will have atom chip
http://hothardware.com/news/intel-g...doning-smartphone-and-low-cost-tablet-markets

Pu$$nBooT$ said:
didnt see this but zenfone2 is last fone that will have atom chip
http://hothardware.com/news/intel-g...doning-smartphone-and-low-cost-tablet-markets
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Good,at least,the Zenfone 3 will have MIUI or FlyMe
Meco on Zenfone 2(4/64) & Tapatalk v.5!

Sadly the Intel Atom chip didn't really blow up in the smartphone and tablet market. It's still a long way to catch up with Snapdragon or Apples A-chips.
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hmm, probably bad news for x86_64 Android support, but lets see.
Kind of a pity that this happens before convergent devices really start showing their promise, a x86 CPU would have been great for legacy apps.
Let hope that this will at least result in Intel making their awesome "Big Screen Experience" software for running GNU/Linux side by side with Android open source, now that they don't have any real interest in the space anymore.

Pu$$nBooT$ said:
didnt see this but zenfone2 is last fone that will have atom chip
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ZenFone 2 isn't the last, but the ZenFone Zoom...
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Damn Intel! Makes me believe in their architeture could be good on mobile, and now made this.
Well, they could, at least, release the BSB packages with all blobs, sources and everything, to the community auto-provide the software support.

next is intel core m smartphone lol

elemuelsah said:
next is intel core m smartphone lol
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Intel left "mobile" for "internet of things".

If Intel stops making Atom chips for mobile phones, will that mean app developers will stop making/supporting the x86 architecture and focus more on ARM64?
The ZenFone 2 isn't the only phone with an x86_64 architecture right?

GroveStreetHomie said:
If Intel stops making Atom chips for mobile phones, will that mean app developers will stop making/supporting the x86 architecture and focus more on ARM64?
The ZenFone 2 isn't the only phone with an x86_64 architecture right?
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No, but it's the most popular. I see some Saltwell, some Merrifield, but the best and more popular x86 smartphone is Zenfone 2.
I think (focus less in x86 and more in ARMv8) its the natural step, lets realize as an app developer: "if the Intel doesnt give a sh*t for her own processor, why I have to do something for it? Is the market share reasonable?"
In another point: "I really NEED to optimize it to x86? It has an translate lib to run ARM, so, I don give a sh*t too."

It's a big blow to Microsoft.

KillerNo2 said:
It's a big blow to Microsoft.
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Microsoft doesn't even care. Their smartphones packed with Qualcomm Snapdragon SoCs and for PCs they still have AMD to be supported by the company.
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KillerNo2 said:
It's a big blow to Microsoft.
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Well Intel did not pull out of the tablet marker yet, so Microsoft's tablets or surfaces or whatever they are calling them now are pretty safe.
If anything it is big blow to diversity and competition. Qualcomm may get comfortable and become stagnant.

Hooo sad news...
I'm gonna keep my Zenfone 2 Z00AD very longtime... It's the only one decent smartphone with x86/x86_64 support and KVM, wich have the possibility to virtualise an PC system, chroot X86 linux distrib', and run wine for Android (launching Windows APPS on Android)..