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Jolla for Nokia N9?

Any devs planning on porting this to the N9? Since Jolla is based of Meego (I Think?).

l.Urker said:
Any devs planning on porting this to the N9? Since Jolla is based of Meego (I Think?).
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They said that the N9 can be flash on sailfish but there will be no support provide by Jolla.
Plus, you can find some video with the N950 running sailfish. As the N950 have the same hardware as the N9 so it is compatible.

Please do. I heart my n9 so much...
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There'll eventually be a community port of Sailfish*, don't expect it to be very reliable/slick though, there'll be some things that never work properly.
This has all been explained time & time again, I'm not going into the back story as-to-why all this is true, the information is out there.
*not Jolla's flavour, just the stock version of Sailfish, which means it'll be quite bare-bones compared Jolla's Sailfish (initially anyway).

oh thanks for all the replies. my N9 is just collecting dust right now. whats the difference between jolla sailfish and normal one?
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l.Urker said:
oh thanks for all the replies. my N9 is just collecting dust right now. whats the difference between jolla sailfish and normal one?
Swyped from my M9704
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Jolla is the name of the company..
Sailfish is the name of the operating system

Do we have any news on this?

Still now, don't seen any port from Jolla..
even SDK is out..
But I really like to see Jolla port to N9.. :good:

any news about this?
and anyone has stock sailfish on n9?

Chyea!
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Just to clarify things.
There is this company called Jolla. They make this operating system called SailfishOS which in fact is Mer.
So what is Mer? Mer is an operating system without hardware layer and UX. This means it's useless because it won't run on any hardware. You need the hardware layer which means drivers und you probably need the UX which means the GUI. This 3 parts together give you an operating system that you can use on your hardware. An example of this is SailfishOS.
If you take Mer and add the Hardware layer for the Jolla device and then the Sailfish Silica UI you get SailfishOS. The only other iteration of SailfishOS which exists is the one with the hardware layer for the Nokia N950. This will never be released as an official or supported Version.
So for all you guys waiting for a port of SailfishOS for device xyz. This won't happen. There is only one thing that could possible become reality and that's a leaked, unsupported beta image of SailfishOS for the Nokia N950/N9. Maybe this image will be the same which we saw in early demos of SailfishOS.
So the rule is as follows:
Even if you get all the linux drivers (not Android) for Mer so that you could possibly run Mer on your device you still need the UX. Jolla won't give you their Sailfish UI. You could use the Nemo mobile UI that is similar to it but the Sailfish UI will only be available on official Jolla devices.
But let's dream a little bit. If you really get Linux drivers for your device xyz and the Jolla device is out there and it has nearly the same hardware as your device it could be possible that you take all the packages that contain the Sailfish Silica UI and install them on your own device with Mer and your own hardware layer. This is possible in theory. In reality I don't think we will see a usable port that can be your daily driver.

An exchange which should help folks understand why there's no images*: http://pastie.org/private/lgldc4h3dikjkqc9nxecaq
They've said once they have one or more devices shipping, they'll probably start to open Sailfish much more, but not a minute before, for several reasons.
But that doesn't mean they'll also start to support images for 3rd-party devices, they'll probably never do that to the degree Canonical does, see the above.
*original source for that pastie
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1941044&p=48#r950

Jolla will be ported to N9. It won't hava all the functions, that on the Jolla device (for ex. no Voice control...anyway who needs it?), but it will be officially released around september/october 2013. So be patient

Giorgio84 said:
Jolla will be ported to N9. It won't hava all the functions, that on the Jolla device (for ex. no Voice control...anyway who needs it?), but it will be officially released around september/october 2013. So be patient
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For real? or just your wish?

Is there an ETA?
Is there an ETA on when someone could make some early progress on this project? I'm worried that people are losing so much interest that a preview version of Sailfish running on the N9 might be a great idea to get people wanting more of the Meego successor.
That way, people would be falling in love with Sailfish and since it would have a significant spec-bump over the N9, people would be willing to buy it for the screen/display improvement, the "other half," and the great UI.

Giorgio84 said:
Jolla will be ported to N9. It won't hava all the functions, that on the Jolla device (for ex. no Voice control...anyway who needs it?), but it will be officially released around september/october 2013. So be patient
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Do you have any source for this info? Because there is no official announcement that hit my attention.
hacker00740 said:
Is there an ETA on when someone could make some early progress on this project?
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As always "when it's done". Please stop asking for ports. Just wait until Jolla came out with there first device. I'm sure there will be ports and adaptions all over the place once the Software gets in the hands of the right guys. And this community or t.m.o is prbably the first place to know it. But asking for it every second won't let that happen earlier.

Hello friends ..
No new news??
SDK when the operating system was released.
Test video of the operating system on it is N9. Why not port the operating system to handset N9 its wonderful ...
Please help developers...

maxomid said:
Hello friends ..
No new news??
SDK when the operating system was released.
Test video of the operating system on it is N9. Why not port the operating system to handset N9 its wonderful ...
Please help developers...
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The SDK didn't include the full version of the Sailfish OS. It only contains a basic emulator for apps. So until Jolla releases a phone with Sailfish, it is impossible to port
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tbo-art said:
The SDK didn't include the full version of the Sailfish OS. It only contains a basic emulator for apps. So until Jolla releases a phone with Sailfish, it is impossible to port
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Thanks for the answer
Will be released in full when it is SDk?
Why developers do not work on this phone Nitdroid ROM Port ... Time to full Android experience on these phones ...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2342102

Hi, i want to share this post from a Jolla engineer giving tips to start porting Sailfish:
I'm pretty sure I phrased it a bit different So, both the N900 and N9 have the problem of having binary blobs, which Jolla is not allowed to distribute, and almost certainly never will be. The N9 additionally has the problem of having an older kernel than the N900 -- old enough that it's starting to cause problems. That's the reason why I probably mentioned N900.
As for Nemo and N9, Nemo is a community followup project of MeeGo, and as such inherited basic N9 hardware adaptation, and the right to redistribute those binary blobs. So, if you as user take a Nemo image and put Jolla stuff in there it works -- but we as Jolla can't do that.
Another problem is that the old N9 adaptation is based on X11, while we are using Wayland. We do have a proof of concept Wayland stack up on N9 (available through Nemo as well), but it has its fair shair of problems.
That we're using Wayland makes your suggestion of porting Sailfish libraries to Harmattan hard as well: Harmattan is an X11 stack (same in the different direction: you can't use a Harmattan binary on Sailfish. If you have the source porting is trivial -- unless it's using meegotouch. But if you only have a binary it won't run. In theory something hacking with xwayland might be possible, but that's pretty crazy, and a sailfish port/rewrite would almost certainly be the better option)
So, it should be pretty clear by now that we will not do N9 images. What needs to happen for community to be able to do the port? Easy: Get involved in Nemo. I mentioned that several times, though so far nobody showed interest.
It's mainly 3 areas that need work:
- finish port to the 3.5 kernel we started. The required tasks are in Nemos Bugzilla
- start fixing bugs in the Wayland proof-of-concept for N9
- reverse engineer hardware components where no driver exists, and do drivers (like GPS)
So, it's a hard task, but not impossible. The Nemo community and Jolla provided a very good starting point with Nemo, now it's up to community members to step up, and continue.
SOURCE: TMO

Open source

Just wanted to know if this os is open source or not
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I think the OS is based on MER/NEMO which is open source, but the UI and OS application layers that allow running of jolla and android apps are not. Native apps will be QT based which is open source.

Actually the Android compatibility layer is Open Source. Ubuntu mobile is also using it. The ui is currently closed. There were earlier comments from Jolla that they'll open it after the phone gets released
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But the native Jolla application will be compatible with Mer/Nemo OS? Or they're will be running only on Jolla UI?

Deedend said:
But the native Jolla application will be compatible with Mer/Nemo OS? Or they're will be running only on Jolla UI?
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Native Jolla app should use sillica components. If you install sillica components on Mer/Nemo it will be sailfish os.

Disharmonic said:
Actually the Android compatibility layer is Open Source. Ubuntu mobile is also using it. The ui is currently closed. There were earlier comments from Jolla that they'll open it after the phone gets released
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Careful with that. "Android Compatibility Layer" is a product of OpenMobileWorldWide and is not Open Source. It's vaporware that was promised to MeeGo users (and many others), but was never delivered. ACL is most definitely Closed Source. To date, they have not delivered one product to the market. They do claim to be close to a release for the webOS powered TouchPad.
I've been using Ubuntu Touch since almost day one... There is not now, nor has there been announced so far as I know, ANY plans to make Android Apps run on Ubuntu Mobile. Certainly not with ACL. Ubuntu Touch promotes Web Apps and Open Source, easily tailored to any OS native Apps built with Open Source languages such as QT and HTML5.
It's my understanding that Jolla is using Myriad Group's Alien Dalvik (Android Runtime) to translate Android Apps into their environment.

RumoredNow said:
Careful with that. "Android Compatibility Layer" is a product of OpenMobileWorldWide and is not Open Source. It's vaporware that was promised to MeeGo users (and many others), but was never delivered. ACL is most definitely Closed Source. To date, they have not delivered one product to the market. They do claim to be close to a release for the webOS powered TouchPad.
I've been using Ubuntu Touch since almost day one... There is not now, nor has there been announced so far as I know, ANY plans to make Android Apps run on Ubuntu Mobile. Certainly not with ACL. Ubuntu Touch promotes Web Apps and Open Source, easily tailored to any OS native Apps built with Open Source languages such as QT and HTML5.
It's my understanding that Jolla is using Myriad Group's Alien Dalvik (Android Runtime) to translate Android Apps into their environment.
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My bad, you are right. I somehow got confused and was thinking about libhybris, the library that allows Sailfish and Ubuntu Touch to run android device drivers. I wasn't even aware of the ACL product/vaporware, though.

Disharmonic said:
My bad, you are right. I somehow got confused and was thinking about libhybris, the library that allows Sailfish and Ubuntu Touch to run android device drivers. I wasn't even aware of the ACL product/vaporware, though.
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Yeah... libhybris appears to be the Philosopher's Stone of Open Source porting. I'm hoping it allows Sailfish to get ported to my Nexus 4 very soon.

Yes it is partly open. On talk.maeomo.org there is a list of the packsges that are open and the ones that are closed source.
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byblt said:
source closed ??
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The source code for the OS is on the mer website, The "Sailfish OS" part is the UI, and the App Store, which are closed source, for now.

RumoredNow said:
I've been using Ubuntu Touch since almost day one... There is not now, nor has there been announced so far as I know, ANY plans to make Android Apps run on Ubuntu Mobile. Certainly not with ACL. Ubuntu Touch promotes Web Apps and Open Source, easily tailored to any OS native Apps built with Open Source languages such as QT and HTML5.
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I believe it was during the last UDS, and I think it was Mark who hinted that they are now open to the idea of making Android apps run on Ubuntu but it is not a current priority.
Edit: Found it

Fairphone 2: what about Firefox OS support

Hi,
the Fairphone 2 is a great project, not only from the hardware point of view as described here https://www.fairphone.com/2015/11/1...-57926297&mc_cid=cc7b173be9&mc_eid=dce1b63bfa, especially from ethical point of view. The final aim of the project shares many principles with Mozilla. Unfortunately, at the moment the official OS for the Fairphone 2 is Android based and there is also a working progress in order to port Sailfish OS https://fairphone.zendesk.com/hc/en...m-OS-will-the-Fairphone-2-run-How-open-is-it-. What about Firefox OS support? In my opinion, this is a crucial to make the Fairphone 2 really fair.
Thank you

I agree!!

Deedend said:
I agree!!
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I found this thread in the Fairphone forum https://forum.fairphone.com/t/firefox-os-is-the-way-to-go/3116/24.
You can vote on bugzilla for a porting of Firefox OS on Fairphone https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113964225, at the moment we are nearly ten
In the meantime, you can try the emulator of Firefox OS 2.5 for Android https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/os/2.5/
Finally, I asked directly to Fairphone support and they said to me that are talking with Mozilla in order to port Firefox OS. So great new!!!

I'm so sad to hear firefox os is dead

I love firefox os. Has fast UI based on html, Has many applications
Maybe late Fx0 discount was caused by it.... How about your opinion?

I believe that Firefox needs greater support from developers. I read that Firefox will stop their phone production venture. I am not sure if that will mean that Firefox OS days are counted. Still shameful to learn that people values having their identity compromised in android, IPS, windows, .... platforms that use our data for profit.

It looks like just a launcher.

H2015H said:
I believe that Firefox needs greater support from developers. I read that Firefox will stop their phone production venture. I am not sure if that will mean that Firefox OS days are counted. Still shameful to learn that people values having their identity compromised in android, IPS, windows, .... platforms that use our data for profit.
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I feel it the same way. While I didn't use FFOS apart from some testing (missing Viber app is a no-go for me) I'd been looking forward to having a privace-friendly open-source mobile OS. Well, shoot ...

Firefox isnt dead......it is alive. Infact its developers preview 2.5 is out and available on mozilla official site. And it is available for android in apk. Full package:thumbup:

Dead? The boot2gecko github repo was updated just 12 days ago, the gaia repo - a few hours ago.
Firefox OS isn't dead yet, but it's certainly on it's way.

@nigdyci really? Good to hear

Yeah...it a way better than android...ui alot like apples ios

Windows 10

Is There a way to port Windows Phone software to the s4

No

martikp said:
No
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What do you mean no

Windows phone source code is not freely available afaik.

Leone/kyleproxx said:
What do you mean no
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Android is open source project (AOSP) that means that it source is available for public to use it and republish it
Windows is closed source it license to Microsoft, that mean if u want to develop in windows u must go back to Microsoft to get privilege from them.
Same as IOS license to apple