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12.1.A.0.266 problems poll..

So i make this thread to see who is happy with that firmware and who is not and who have the same annoying problems as me...
I think we all love xperia SP as a device for design and specs but i also think that 0.266 suckZ..
I will sent this to sony when votes are enough. .

ParaSense. said:
So i make this thread to see who is happy with that firmware and who is not and who have the same annoying problems as me...
I think we all love xperia SP as a device for design and specs but i also think that 0.266 suckZ..
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Great idea :good:
Hope you will pass the results to a Sony :laugh:
altough, they already preparing new release...
http://www.xperiablog.net/2014/02/26/xperia-sp-sees-new-firmware-12-1-a-1-192-certified/
:victory:
I vote for low RAM aka bad RAM management
and for options Other problems I add :
LED lights are on during voice call
&
LED lights lightshow in Walkman are connected to the volume so in higher volume they are always lit

freedom74 said:
Great idea :good:
Hope you will pass the results to a Sony :laugh:
altough, they already preparing new release...
http://www.xperiablog.net/2014/02/26/xperia-sp-sees-new-firmware-12-1-a-1-192-certified/
:victory:
I vote for low RAM aka bad RAM management
and for options Other problems I add :
LED lights are on during voice call
&
LED lights lightshow in Walkman are connected to the volume so in higher volume they are always lit
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I know man i check every day all day sony forums for this update... i really hope they will fix my flickering problem it is very annoying :/

Yeah, problems again
When I play RR3, it is always force close bacause run out of RAM
The solution in this thread : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2658699
But unfortunately it needs root
Sometimes the touchscreen is not responsive, I don't know why
But the battery issue is fixed anyway

Smankusors said:
Yeah, problems again
When I play RR3, it is always force close bacause run out of RAM
The solution in this thread : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2658699
But unfortunately it needs root
Sometimes the touchscreen is not responsive, I don't know why
But the battery issue is fixed anyway
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maybe you should try some apps as "greenify" or "clean master" as they dont need root.. Idk if they fix something with your problem cause i never used 4.3 for more than 2 hours... but you still can try.. you can free more ram by disable your widgets too ..

low ram, lags & freezes all the time. poor multi-tasking also. 266 really does eat dirt

reinearl said:
low ram, lags & freezes all the time. poor multi-tasking also. 266 really does eat dirt
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i feel u 100% mate....... i hate sony for first time :/ such a good device get raped by that sucky firmware xD

ParaSense. said:
i feel u 100% mate....... i hate sony for first time :/ such a good device get raped by that sucky firmware xD
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Many people say SuperCharger has only placebo effects. I used to think the same way. Until I got 4.3 update from Sony with its poor ram management.
Few days ago I installed SuperCharger MOD with service.jar patched. I used to have launcher redraws, keyboard disappearing, etc. Especially when I open heavy ram earwr app like chrome. Now, I rarely have these issues. I suggest you to try it out. I am now happy with my Xperia SP.
Sent from my C5303 using Tapatalk

wisnuhadi23 said:
Many people say SuperCharger has only placebo effects. I used to think the same way. Until I got 4.3 update from Sony with its poor ram management.
Few days ago I installed SuperCharger MOD with service.jar patched. I used to have launcher redraws, keyboard disappearing, etc. Especially when I open heavy ram earwr app like chrome. Now, I rarely have these issues. I suggest you to try it out. I am now happy with my Xperia SP.
Sent from my C5303 using Tapatalk
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my main problem is screen flickering like a pulse every 1 second... everywhere.. in ui,games,photos.. even in cwm.. i cant fix it i have tried EVERYTHING .. differend kernels differend roms... 4.4 liquid rom with nayan kernel do the same :S its very annoying... but with 4.1.2 all works perfect...

266 is a piece of crap. when I bought the phone I upgraded right from the start to 4.3... and almost returned it to the store. but then I decided to downgrade to 4.1.2... man, its like heaven. best rom ever lol

When at 4.1.2, the song app will be stopped once i open chrome for browsing less than one song,
now at 4.3, the song apps will only be stopped/closed after 6 or 7 songs..
Although is an improvement, but i belief it is still a problem for android 4.3 for SP

I am back to stock .254. Avoiding all those bloatware prefering dolphin, shuttle music player, etc. So far, encountering no issues and system is fast. And I'm still resisting the urge to flash rooted 4.3.

In .266 everything is bad.
1)Ram management is 1big problem
2)volume bar disappeared
3)call starts with loudspeaker On
4)Camera..Maybe Sony installed 2.0 mp camera and telling it's 8.0 mp.
5)etc.
Sent from my C5302 using Tapatalk

On my 254 - I greenify those apps which never exit even when I close them. And I freeze those not used.
Today, i spent 1 hour on music and 30 minutes fiddling with my calendar. Lost 7% (only?) battery...
Don't know - maybe 266 may increase its battery span as well if I apply the same processes...

ParaSense. said:
maybe you should try some apps as "greenify" or "clean master" as they dont need root.. Idk if they fix something with your problem cause i never used 4.3 for more than 2 hours... but you still can try.. you can free more ram by disable your widgets too ..
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As I know, Android will use RAM as many as possible. It is not same as Windows. When the phone needs more memory, the system will close background apps and unused apps automatically. So the Task Killer, Task Manager, Clean Master, is SUCKS. It will make your Android more slowly
Greenify will hibernate the apps, but I think the system will still uses half of memory if I'm not edit the build.prop, needs ROOT to edit :'(

So i send this to sony forums
http://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperia-SP/12-1-A-0-266-XDA-POLL-and-a-question-for-moderators-developers/m-p/602541#U602541

ParaSense. said:
So i send this to sony forums
http://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperia-SP/12-1-A-0-266-XDA-POLL-and-a-question-for-moderators-developers/m-p/602541#U602541
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It sound like a real big problem if u (well, all we) says '4.3 have a lot of bugs' but actually a don't think that ppl in that forum take it serious when the poll have just 59 voters xD

poor ram management

QBerto said:
It sound like a real big problem if u (well, all we) says '4.3 have a lot of bugs' but actually a don't think that ppl in that forum take it serious when the poll have just 59 voters xD
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they allready know that its a bug-fw.. every day people complain about problems on 4.3... and what makes me mad is that for almost all problems the solution is "do repair with sus" or "do factory reset" or "go your phone to local service" xD nvm at least the confirmed new bug fixing update... i can w8 for ever.. i just hope they will fix ALL the bugs..

ParaSense. said:
they allready know that its a bug-fw.. every day people complain about problems on 4.3... and what makes me mad is that for almost all problems the solution is "do repair with sus" or "do factory reset" or "go your phone to local service" xD nvm at least the confirmed new bug fixing update... i can w8 for ever.. i just hope they will fix ALL the bugs..
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Yeah sure, my point was that it would be cool have a lot of voters in that poll xD, so Sony could have a clear view (with external data) of whats is more important and what is actually causing issues with the XSP...
And... sadly my hopes are not so big with the new frimmware, it was more than 2 weeks and is not released yet....
In my case my major bugs is battery drain in 3g (the sonyericcson.wakeup thing) and ram management... and actually, a repair with PCC taked off all other bugs for me, and I did it only once xD

[Info] Xperia Tablet Z: The best stock firmware for power and performance

** DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT A DEVELOPER. I DO THIS AS A HOBBY AND SHARE MY FINDINGS IN CASE SOMEONE ELSE FINDS THEM USEFUL. **
** THIS WORKED ON MY DEVICE BUT IT MAY NOT WORK ON YOURS. APPLY AT YOUR OWN RISK **​
Background:
Tablet Z is an amazing device. I have had a number of different Android devices with comparable specs but nothing has come close to this one in overall performance, durability, build, and stability. The question that I did not find an answer for and made me write this info piece is: what is the best stock ROM for this tablet that can offer the best overall stability and power consumption. Note that a lot of what follows are matters of opinion and personal preferences and you should probably tweak based on your specific needs. So first some basics.
Basics:
There is an empirical finding that the best performance is achieved from the ROMs that are available about six months to a year after the release of any given device and here is the justification. The device is initially shipped with the Android version available at the time of the release. This initial version is invariably buggy because the fast design cycles of these things do not allow a comprehensive test drive by the vendor. So the consumers report the bugs, they get patched, and about 6 months later everything is wrapped into the next version of Android and pushed as an update. This second ROM release is much more stable than the first one but still lacking a few things here and there, which brings us to the next major ROM that will fix most everything.
By this time we are 6 months to a year into the life of the product and the market is now seeing other devices with higher processing power and better specs. The Android releases at any given point in time are tweaked towards the expected performance of the devices that are available at that time. So the next update for your now-more-than-a-year-old device will have nicer features but it is geared towards other devices that are faster and better than yours. So now you upgrade to the third release and you will find that while all the initial bugs are gone the device is laggy and the battery goes down faster than it used to. Most devices don't have a straightforward procedure to downgrade to an older version (at least for the common user) and therefore you will just write this off as your device being too old and slow and then you will be likely convinced by a Sony salesperson to buy the next generation tablet and that is the end of that.
The key is to identify that sweet spot where the OS is stable and fast and tweak the performance there and NOT upgrade anymore. Let me say something about software upgrade while I have your attention. I have sadly found that a lot of people upgrade their phone/tablet OS without really knowing why they do it. Sometimes it almost looks like a fashion trend that since my neighbor is running his/her phone on Kitkat I must upgrade from Jellybean too. This often results in a slowdown of your system and sometimes even makes it impossible to do cool stuff such as rooting your device, because new updates close loopholes and vulnerabilities.
Xperia Tablet Z Stock Roms:
Before we get into that, let's mention the non-stock Roms such as AOSP and CM and their derivatives. There may be a compelling argument for certain cases where for example the vendor either heavily loads the device with bloatware that is difficult to remove or a custom Rom is needed to improve power or increase the performance by overclocking and whatnot. This is very true of some Samsung models with great hardware that are actually degenerated to slow devices with over-bloating and a little help from possessive phone operators like AT&T. However, this is not particularly true for Sony, or at least not yet. The Sony bloat is minimal and easy to remove and what Sony packs with the OS, such as multi-window, remote control, and Bravia engine, are in fact quite useful especially if you are using the device in a Sony ecosystem like with a big screen TV. Besides, Sony is very open-source friendly so there are not a whole lot of locked down features that you may need a custom ROM to get around. So I will limit this discussion to Sony's official Rom releases.
XTZ was initially shipped with 10.1.C.0.344 Android 4.1.2 in the US. Within a few months they upgraded it and if you like most people bought your tablet in the summer of 2013 it probably came with 10.1.C.0.370. This was to fix a touch sensitivity problem and improve WiFi. No update however is complete without limiting the ability of the user to root the device so Sony patched a vulnerability that allows the method of rooting you find inside the menus of Flashtool. Soon another vulnerability was discovered and a piece of code was written by Doomslord which would remain the only safe way to root XTZ until Towelroot was born. The update also removed the ability to choose the number of active cores, which was not the end of the world of course.
This release arguably has the best user interface which located the important touch keys on the bottom left and right sides of the screen, which is easy to operate when you grab the tablet with two hands. However, it had a few performance issues. For example, adding a weather widget would introduce a visible lag when swiping the home screen. It didn;t take long before users started nagging on different forums about how they are not running the latest Android version and how Sony should release it ASAP,... and Sony did.
Android 4.2.2 (10.3.1.C.0.136) removed the nice tablet UI. Soft button keys were now at the bottom center of the display with nothing on the left and right sides, which makes it awkward to grab the tablet with two hands and operate these keys at the same time. The notification area that was previously on the bottom right hand side would now be relocated to the top banner which resulted in a loss of screen real estate, and this pissed off a lot of users including yours truly. In all fairness it was not Sony's fault because this was a decision made by Google to unify tablet and phone interfaces beyond 4.2.2. Sony did their best to give something back (Quick Settings option in top notification bar) and mitigate the lost screen area (Semi-transparent bar in lockscreen). Then there were added features like multi-user support, ability to change the length of “preview time” after shooting a snap from camera, widgets on both homescreen and lockscreen,Video Unlimited movie app integration, updated media apps, my Xperia app to track the tablet in case it is lost, and official support 64 GB SD card.
The initial 4.3 release (10.4.B.0.577) changed the UI to a white theme that looks a lot like Xperia Z1 and Z Ultra: new improved smart camera app and new Xperia wallpapers (like Xperia Z1). A cool feature was added that allows the downloading of themes which change the navigation bar and status bar colors, and the soft keys icons as well. New keyboard app was added with one-hand keyboard settings. Also, a Windows Tethering option made it possible to pair the tablet with Windows 8.1. All welcome options which made most of us get over the grudge caused by the removal of the Tablet UI. Screen was calibrated for a brighter display and restricted profiles settings added more control of the multi-user feature.
The best feature which went unnoticed by many was the new version of Battery STAMINA Mode. Not that the older one needed any serious make-over but this one offered even a longer battery life. By now, almost all the lag observed in earlier versions were gone. For example, the weather widget would no longer self-update until the swiping was complete and this provided a significant smoothness in home display transitions. Finally, the 4.3 update 10.4.1.B.0.109 reduced the display flickering, improved battery life, shortened shutdown times, and fixed a problem which made it possible to use Bluetooth without losing WiFi.
Sometime in May of 2014 Sony released the long-awaited 4.4.2 Kitkat update (10.5.A.0.230) and this was when things started to go south. Sure, there where enhancements in camera app, ability to add emojis to messages, screenshots via the power menu, updates to Email, Calendar, and other apps, and good looking live wallpapers. But nothing could hide the fact that the tablet was now visibly slower and the battery would drain much faster. Sony admitted that the battery drain is a real problem and traced it to a buggy version of the Google services, which the user could uninstall or disable but that didn't make the update any faster.
The fact is, Xperia Tablet Z has a snapdragon S4 running at 1.5GHz, which from an antutu score perspective sets it at around the 20-21k mark. For comparison consider the Tablet Z2 with a 2.3GHz Snapdragon 801 with an antutu score in the 35000 range and that is really the type of system that the Sony Kitkat update should run on. That's why the tablet becomes so sluggish after the kitkat upgrade. The transitions are visibly slow and even if you disable live wallpapers and other things the settings menus will remain slow. In fact the antutu score after this upgrade drops sharply to around 18000.
Sony eventually released Kitkat 4.4.4 with 10.5.1.A.0.283 in late summer of 2014 and updated that a month or two later with a limited release of 10.5.1.A.0.292 in Nordic countries. These update are more fluid than 4.4.2 with much less lag in different programs. All Kitkat releases have been plagued by a sever battery drain due to a malfunctioning of Google Play services, which is resolved if you update this app to 5.2.08 after the firmware installation. 4.4.4 is still slower in Antutu scores compared to 4.3.
And the winner is...
4.4.4, followed by 4.3.
With the latest Kitkat update (4.4.4) I found that after patching the Google services and minimal debloating the tablet will last 78 days (more than two and half months) in standby. That is pretty impressive. See the screenshots (under Attached Thumbnails). So if you decide to go with 4.4.4, to get the most out of your battery:
1- Upgrade Google Play services to 5.2.08.
2- Go to settings:
Wifi -> Advanced -> Keep Wi-Fi on during sleep -> Never
Wifi -> Advanced -> Scanning always available -> off
Wifi -> Advanced -> Wifi optimization -> on
Power management -> Stamina Mode on and queue background data
3- Disable Google+ and Hangouts (and play store, if you don't use it). I suggest turning off both "Remotely locate" and "allow remote lock" options under Android device manager in Google settings.
4- Uninstall (via Titanium backup) or remove from /system/app and priv-app SonyEntrance.apk and UpdateCenter.apk. If your tablet is wifi only do the same for SemcTelephonyProvider.apk, Stk.apk, phone-usage.apk, and SemcPhone.apk.
The 4.3 update 10.4.1.B.0.109 provides a good battery life too. In standby it can last about 55 days without a recharge (see 1.jpg and 2.jpg). In camparision, the 4.4.2 release lasts about 40-45 days under similar testing conditions. To install 4.3 you can either use this long procedure: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2772943 which gives you a pre-rooted 4.3, with the added benefit of a nice recovery image, or flash a stock ftf and root it with towelroot. Either way you need to learn and use flashtool because this update is no longer available through Sony's update channels. If you decide to go with 4.4.4, to get the most out of your battery:
1- Root and disable non essential programs either using Titanium backup or other methods that require a knowledge of the terminal emulator. On an SGP311 For 4.3 what you typically disable is the following (the list is different for the LTE version!):
B2bCustInstaller, com.sonyericsson.startupflagservice, Crackle, Facebook, FBiX Post Viewer, Gmail (and use the stock Email client if you have want to check your gmail), Google Play Books/Games/Magazines/Movies/Music, Google+ and Hangout, Let's start PSM, McAfee Security, Mobile Data, Mobile Network, Configuration, Netflix, POBox Touch (unless you use Japanese keyboard), Reader, Sim Lock, Sim Toolkit, Social Engine, Socialife, Twitter, Video Unlimited, Wisepilot (which doesn't work anyway!), Xperia AppShare, Xperia Calendar Sync, Xperia Friends' music, Xperia Music Likes, Xperia Social Engine Photos/Sharing (all of them), Xperia Chinese keyboard, Xperia with Facebook and Twitter.
2- Then go to settings:
Wifi -> Advanced -> Keep Wi-Fi on during sleep -> Never
Power management -> Stamina Mode on.
I tried programs like Juice Defender but it seemed that in the presence of Sony's Stamina mode none of that is necessary.
One last detail. As you can see in the picture mobile data is still burning 3% although I froze/disabled it in Titanium. The reason is that while freezing an app prevents it from starting at boot-up, the binary is still in the storage and other apps can still invoke it. If you want that portion to go down to zero you will need to uninstall the app in Titanium (or delete/rename the app to disable it, which requires knowledge of the terminal emulator.)
Update: Sony released 5.0.2 with 10.6.A.0.454 in late spring of 2015 and 5.1.1 in September. The standby battery life is nowhere near the latest 4.4.4 or 4.3.
So that is it folks. Give it a try and see it for yourself. At the end of the day, regardless of the firmware, this is an awesome tablet which will still be around after all of its peers are gone and forgotten.

Thanks for your reply. In general i agree with you that the most stable and responsive (fluid) was 10.4.1.B.0.109 on SGP311/312 and 10.4.1.B.0.101 on SGP321. However you can perform fresh install of 10.5.A.0.230 KitKat, make some performance-wise adjustments/remove-freeze bloatware and you will have practically the same performance. As i did it, i can't distinguish between 4.4 and 4.3 in performance at least visually, however it shows a little bit less score in Antutu, 21500 for JB, 20800 for my adjusted KK, but it doesn't really matter.

This is a great post. Thank you. I noticed the performance since installing KitKat has been sluggish too. I haven't tried optimizing it much, haven't had time, but I'm going to try that before downgrading to 4.3. The animations and transitions are so sluggish its annoying. Makes me want a new tablet to be honest heheh.

Great post! Although I'm still loving 4.4. I really missed immersive mode since I've had Nexus phones.. Anyway after fixing the settings app the other 'glitches' in kitkat weren't noticeable. Battery life's awesome since most of the not needed things are disabled/uninstalled.
I get 3-4 days with moderate to heavy use with about 9-10 hours of screen on time. It's really an indoor tablet for me so the brightness can be as low as minimum with no impact on visibility.
I bought my tablet without thinking 6 months ago but I honestly have 0 regrets. It's a truly amazing multimedia device.

Too bad Cyanogenmod 11 is in a poor state with still buggy nightlies and no proper milestone releases...
And I agree Kitkat feels a bit sluggish on the tablet, especially when you compare it to a Snapdragon 801 phone.

Dzhedaj said:
Too bad Cyanogenmod 11 is in a poor state with still buggy nightlies and no proper milestone releases...
And I agree Kitkat feels a bit sluggish on the tablet, especially when you compare it to a Snapdragon 801 phone.
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Snapdragon itself it a way way more faster chip. Also Sony don't really bother with OS optimizations for old devices.

As per my opinion since i updated .233 update via flashtool that Lag and sluggishness is gone perfectly
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-tablet-z/general/ftf-4-4-10-5-0-233-sgp321-3at-t2789187
Alongwith a little mod with beats audio improves the internal speakers upto 100dbi more who feels tab internal speaker volume is low.
Update to .233 and enjoy the tab to its full capacity
Sent from my GT-N7100 using Tapatalk 2

Thanks for the write-up.
I'm a noob that's researched this to death, and this adds some clarity to whats becoming more murky as I read.
Will probably try to optimize 4.4.2 1st before attempting your link (I'm hoping a couple of other posters on this thread can point me in the right direction - question forthcoming but could you clarify 'or flash a stock ftf and root it with towelroot'? Sorry for the noob question, but 'root after flash' and 'what specific stock ftf' has me lost. Thanks
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Rootk1t said:
Thanks for your reply. In general i agree with you that the most stable and responsive (fluid) was 10.4.1.B.0.109 on SGP311/312 and 10.4.1.B.0.101 on SGP321. However you can perform fresh install of 10.5.A.0.230 KitKat, make some performance-wise adjustments/remove-freeze bloatware and you will have practically the same performance. As i did it, i can't distinguish between 4.4 and 4.3 in performance at least visually, however it shows a little bit less score in Antutu, 21500 for JB, 20800 for my adjusted KK, but it doesn't really matter.
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Do you have a link to the method by which you optimize?
Thanks

gmore1 said:
Thanks for the write-up.
I'm a noob that's researched this to death, and this adds some clarity to whats becoming more murky as I read.
Will probably try to optimize 4.4.2 1st before attempting your link (I'm hoping a couple of other posters on this thread can point me in the right direction - question forthcoming but could you clarify 'or flash a stock ftf and root it with towelroot'? Sorry for the noob question, but 'root after flash' and 'what specific stock ftf' has me lost. Thanks
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Do you have a link to the method by which you optimize?
Thanks
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i installed 4.4.4 which is already optimized by sony. Antutu benchmark +2000 scores comparing to 4.4.2:victory:

Rootk1t said:
i installed 4.4.4 which is already optimized by sony. Antutu benchmark +2000 scores comparing to 4.4.2:victory:
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You've given me even more homework, but I greatly appreciate the response
I currently have a stock (unlocked/unrooted) Tab Z and if I understood the 4.4.4 posts I've read, the best method to keep root(towelroot for 4.4.2+older) and files is install via OTA which requires an unlocked bootloader, which requires a code from Sony so.... a brief summary of steps to keep my unit as 'open/versatile' as possible here would be....
1:Get code from Sony
2:Unlock bootloader
3:Install Flashtool and root via towelroot (the order here is not important?)
4:Back up files
5:Install 4.4.4 via OTA
Done?
And then I'm left to be able to move back and/or install older firmware?
If this is a PITA to answer, I understand - appreciate any help

gmore1 said:
You've given me even more homework, but I greatly appreciate the response
I currently have a stock (unlocked/unrooted) Tab Z and if I understood the 4.4.4 posts I've read, the best method to keep root(towelroot for 4.4.2+older) and files is install via OTA which requires an unlocked bootloader, which requires a code from Sony so.... a brief summary of steps to keep my unit as 'open/versatile' as possible here would be....
1:Get code from Sony
2:Unlock bootloader
3:Install Flashtool and root via towelroot (the order here is not important?)
4:Back up files
5:Install 4.4.4 via OTA
Done?
And then I'm left to be able to move back and/or install older firmware?
If this is a PITA to answer, I understand - appreciate any help
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Be AWARE !
Before unlocking bootloader BE SURE TO BACK UP YOUR TA PARTITION OR YOU WILL LOOSE DRM LICENCE KEYS FOREVER !!!
Google "Sony DRM TA backup" to find more information.

gmore1 said:
You've given me even more homework, but I greatly appreciate the response
I currently have a stock (unlocked/unrooted) Tab Z and if I understood the 4.4.4 posts I've read, the best method to keep root(towelroot for 4.4.2+older) and files is install via OTA which requires an unlocked bootloader, which requires a code from Sony so.... a brief summary of steps to keep my unit as 'open/versatile' as possible here would be....
1:Get code from Sony
2:Unlock bootloader
3:Install Flashtool and root via towelroot (the order here is not important?)
4:Back up files
5:Install 4.4.4 via OTA
Done?
And then I'm left to be able to move back and/or install older firmware?
If this is a PITA to answer, I understand - appreciate any help
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no! no need to unlock bootloader to root device and get OTA.

Rootk1t said:
no! no need to unlock bootloader to root device and get OTA.
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GretaLewd said:
Be AWARE !
Before unlocking bootloader BE SURE TO BACK UP YOUR TA PARTITION OR YOU WILL LOOSE DRM LICENCE KEYS FOREVER !!!
Google "Sony DRM TA backup" to find more information.
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OK.
I won't be 'developing' anytime soon, so no need to unlock. I just thought in order to access anything newer than 4.4.2 OTA from Sony would require it.
Thank you both and sorry again for the ?'s, but this has been WAY more involved than the days of rooting my Photon
Will continue my research on OTA 4.4.4.
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OK,
No 4.4.4 for SGP312 yet so I guess just be patient and make sure I'm rooted and backed up?
Any link for optimizing in the meantime still appreciated - many searches and I can't find anything.

gmore1 said:
No 4.4.4 for SGP312 yet so I guess just be patient and make sure I'm rooted and backed up?
Any link for optimizing in the meantime still appreciated - many searches and I can't find anything.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/xpe...oot-4-4-4-kitkat-sgp311-10-5-1-0-283-t2875885
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-tablet-z/development/root-sp321-ftf-10-5-1-0-283-t2873377

Rootk1t said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xpe...oot-4-4-4-kitkat-sgp311-10-5-1-0-283-t2875885
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-tablet-z/development/root-sp321-ftf-10-5-1-0-283-t2873377
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OK
I was aware of 4.4.4 via FT and PC, but based on a post I had read in another thread, thought only OTA would allow one to maintain root after 4.4.2...
I should have read further into that thread.
This should do it -Thanks again Rootk1t

Can I just clarify... in the first post, it says "On an SGP311 what you typically enable is the following..." Do I take it that should say disable, not enable?
I also noticed that I don't have B2bCustInstaller, but I do have B2bCertInstaller and B2bCustomSetupWizard. Are either of those two, the same as you mentioned?
This latest update (10.5.1.A.0.283) has introduced some annoyances with video playback, so I am trying to get rid of useless apps etc... in the hope that one of them clears things up.

LeeC22 said:
Can I just clarify... in the first post, it says "On an SGP311 what you typically enable is the following..." Do I take it that should say disable, not enable?
I also noticed that I don't have B2bCustInstaller, but I do have B2bCertInstaller and B2bCustomSetupWizard. Are either of those two, the same as you mentioned?
This latest update (10.5.1.A.0.283) has introduced some annoyances with video playback, so I am trying to get rid of useless apps etc... in the hope that one of them clears things up.
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1- Thanks for pointing out the typo. I fixed it in the text.
2- You don't see B2bCustInstaller because Sony disables it by default, but it is still in your system. Leave the other two apps be. They will be dormant.
3- What annoyances are you referring to? I may be able to help if you are more specific.

najoor said:
1- Thanks for pointing out the typo. I fixed it in the text.
2- You don't see B2bCustInstaller because Sony disables it by default, but it is still in your system. Leave the other two apps be. They will be dormant.
3- What annoyances are you referring to? I may be able to help if you are more specific.
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My tablet is primarily a video playback device for the music videos I collect. Before this update, video playback was smooth, after this update, it's just not quite right. What makes me think it's the update, is that I use MX Player Pro, and the video playback isn't smooth in that either. The Sony Movies app is all over the place with playback. One update it's fine, next update it's bad, then it might be okay again, but this update it's just not quite right. It was during a bad period that I decided to get MX Player Pro, which seemed much better... but now it's suffering the same problem.
To most people, it would probably look fine, but as a graphic artist, I find I'm very susceptible to the slightest irregularity in playback. As it affected two players, I presumed that it was a background service or something that was affecting resources enough to affect video decoding.
I would also just like to say thanks for providing that list. My tablet used to take just over an hour to recharge 10% of the battery life back. In just over 6 hours last night, it recharged 80%. So that's a major plus point in my book, so thank you for your efforts. :good:

LeeC22 said:
My tablet is primarily a video playback device for the music videos I collect. Before this update, video playback was smooth, after this update, it's just not quite right. What makes me think it's the update, is that I use MX Player Pro, and the video playback isn't smooth in that either. The Sony Movies app is all over the place with playback. One update it's fine, next update it's bad, then it might be okay again, but this update it's just not quite right. It was during a bad period that I decided to get MX Player Pro, which seemed much better... but now it's suffering the same problem.
To most people, it would probably look fine, but as a graphic artist, I find I'm very susceptible to the slightest irregularity in playback. As it affected two players, I presumed that it was a background service or something that was affecting resources enough to affect video decoding.
I would also just like to say thanks for providing that list. My tablet used to take just over an hour to recharge 10% of the battery life back. In just over 6 hours last night, it recharged 80%. So that's a major plus point in my book, so thank you for your efforts. :good:
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I'm not sure you can fix this by just disabling background processes. Sony's Kitkat release is slower at its core than 4.3 and that can be seen and quantified in an Antutu benchmark. Give it your best shot but your best bet is to downgrade to 4.3.

najoor said:
I'm not sure you can fix this by just disabling background processes. Sony's Kitkat release is slower at its core than 4.3 and that can be seen and quantified in an Antutu benchmark. Give it your best shot but your best bet is to downgrade to 4.3.
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You're right, I disabled loads of stuff last night, and the problem frustratingly remains.
I'd ideally downgrade to 4.2, because I think 4.3 is where Sony removed the screenshot option (before cunningly adding it back in 4.4 as a "new feature"), isn't it? I use that a lot, because my eyes aren't that good, and when you hit a website that blocks pinch-zooming, or you get an app that has text that is too small, like Google Earth, I frequently need to capture the screen and zoom in.
Of course, the problem with this solution is that downgrading to a specific rom version, for a specific version of the tablet, in a specific territory, is not that simple. I'll have to spend some time collecting the required files and instructions, then wait for a good day (mentally), to give it a go.

Lollipop vs kitkat : feedback

Hi all,
I made this post to enhance your experience with the Z3C. Indeed I thought since a few days that I was going to throw away my phone because of multitasking. This issue is not clear at all and not all people seemed to be touched by this. However I am, definitely.
This is my experience on lollipop: I can’t have 5 apps running at the same time, even if they’re very light. For example if I’m listening to music and using chrome, everytime I switch to another app, it needs to start again. It gets really annoying when I’m using some apps at the same time and I lose lots of time.
My first idea was to switch to another phone (even if I love the Z3C for other qualities like battery life or how compact it is) but this issue seems to touch every phone except HTC’s but I’m not happy with their battery life. My last choice was the iPhone 6 to get a nice user experience.
Then I thought a little and I remembered that in fact my experience was much much better on KitKat.
So I decided to try again kitkat and OMG!!! I couldn’t get back to L, seriously. If you have the same issues as I have, it’s definitely a solution.
So of course you’ll lose some interesting stuff from Lollipop and the interface doesn’t look as nice as on L but it is definitely worth it.
Indeed on Kitkat the battery is at least equal, maybe better.
But all the difference is about performances: you can’t even compare it. When I switched from KK to L I didn’t realize and I got accommodate to it but actually in this way we can feel the difference without any hesitation.
Now I can use at least 8 apps at the same time, everything is snappier and quicker. Really it changes my smartphone life.
So if you’re ready to leave L, join me with KK and you won’t regret. You’ll get a new phone (even it’s kinda absurd) and you’ll never want to change it for another. That’s the phone I have liked.

Thx for the comparison
I haven't tried Lollipop because there is nothing wrong with KitKat (+ROOT!) and there is nothing about Lollipop that I really need, it's mostly just eye-candy imho. Oh yes there is one small thing: The sparkly unlock animation in KK is the worst, haven't found a way to get rid of it yet... (except using a 3rd party lockscreen - which is something I'm not willing to do because I love my lockscreen widgets, any suggestions?)
If you miss the Lollipop stuff here's some suggestions:
-NiLS(app): Gives you customizable lockscreen notifications like Lollipop with any lockscreen
-Nova Launcher(app): Just got a huge Lollipop update, the average person won't know the difference to lollipop when looking at the launcher
-Install Lollipop theme to change nav-bar icons (or use xposed or any other method)
-Sony is pretty amazing with app updates, so all the independent apps like Music are Material Design anyway
Cheers

Well. The problem with multitasking happens on all Xperia Z3 phones with Sony´s Lollipop (Yes, I confirmed it after test with 5 different Xperia Z3 phones from friends and family).
After I get frustrated with this problem, I also think in change the phone for an iPhone, but lol, iPhone have similar problems with browsers that can´t keep various tabs opened and ends refreshing all tabs, and other similar multitasking problems because of limited ram. I maybe change my Z3 for an Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge in a month (Or when the Galaxy S6 gets Android 5.1 update) because the camera of the Z3 is very bad in quality for me, but until then, I found a "fix" for the multitasking problem:
I finally "fixed" it. ¿How?: Simple, I just installed Cyanogenmod 12.1 in my phone, and it is just... just, very beatiful in multitasking. I can have a loooot of apps opened and get back to one app after a day and they are still opened, it´s is what I ever expected from a phone like Xperia Z3, is amazing. It is because Cyanogenmod is always updated and have all the latest fixes and their own fixes also. I heard that they have fixed more than 51 memory leaks (included the critical ones) in his 12.1 version. Also I get in love with Cyanogenmod extra features.
Yes, I lose all DRM protected features from camera and also PS4 Remote, but meh, camera sucks anyway in stock firmware, and is only a little worse in Cyanogenmod. Just to be careful I backed up my TA partition before unlock my bootloader and go into cyanogenmod.
Hope this helps to all guys that have lollipop, and need a true multitasking on his Xperia Z3 or Z3 Compact.

Aside from multitasking Lollipop seems still very beta on xperia to me. Mind u I own the Smartphone for only 3 days, but the amount of times it made me go nuts, not even my evo 3d managed over 3 years. Phone ran really hot and sort of slugish on lp, but waht reall drove me crazy was Bluetooth Audio... It made my whole phone crash after starting to crackle on my soundwaver (bluetooth speaker).... It wouldnt even play over pc... Back to kitkst and all is fine and dandy. I can actually feel i run a newer handset than before (evo 3D). Ill probably switch to CM some timecdown the road, when lp is fully working.

The stock lollipop build is beta version at best. The debloated lollipop build found here on XDA is beyond acceptable, almost good. The stock kitkat build, though, still has the upper hand. I reverted back today to an old backup and there's no match between the debloated lollipop and the stock kitkat. Stock kitkat wins hands down.

For some balance ive no such issues with lollipop albeit i agree there isnt much of an incentive to upgrade from kitkat. I dont use chrome though. Chrome uses a scary lot of memory. (i use firefox)
Cm12 uses less memory than stock sony roms so that leaves more to chrome, which explains that i guess.

My only complaint is few UI elements that are not very material, you know.

I don´t use Chrome too, I use Cm Browser that dont use a lot of Ram too...
The problem is not how much Ram uses the system, the problem is that Stock Sony in 5.0.2 have a Bad Memory Management and still have Memory Leaks (Except the crititcal ones that are already fixed in Sony Stock Lollipop Firm).
In CM 12.1 a loot of those memory leaks are already fixed, so that also explains why Cyanogenmod works a lot better with multitasking and can keep a lot of apps without close.

clouds5 said:
Thx for the comparison
I haven't tried Lollipop because there is nothing wrong with KitKat (+ROOT!) and there is nothing about Lollipop that I really need, it's mostly just eye-candy imho. Oh yes there is one small thing: The sparkly unlock animation in KK is the worst, haven't found a way to get rid of it yet... (except using a 3rd party lockscreen - which is something I'm not willing to do because I love my lockscreen widgets, any suggestions?)
If you miss the Lollipop stuff here's some suggestions:
-NiLS(app): Gives you customizable lockscreen notifications like Lollipop with any lockscreen
-Nova Launcher(app): Just got a huge Lollipop update, the average person won't know the difference to lollipop when looking at the launcher
-Install Lollipop theme to change nav-bar icons (or use xposed or any other method)
-Sony is pretty amazing with app updates, so all the independent apps like Music are Material Design anyway
Cheers
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Thanks for the apps. I'm happy not to be the only one to have made this step!
iFlasher said:
Well. The problem with multitasking happens on all Xperia Z3 phones with Sony´s Lollipop (Yes, I confirmed it after test with 5 different Xperia Z3 phones from friends and family).
After I get frustrated with this problem, I also think in change the phone for an iPhone, but lol, iPhone have similar problems with browsers that can´t keep various tabs opened and ends refreshing all tabs, and other similar multitasking problems because of limited ram. I maybe change my Z3 for an Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge in a month (Or when the Galaxy S6 gets Android 5.1 update) because the camera of the Z3 is very bad in quality for me, but until then, I found a "fix" for the multitasking problem:
I finally "fixed" it. ¿How?: Simple, I just installed Cyanogenmod 12.1 in my phone, and it is just... just, very beatiful in multitasking. I can have a loooot of apps opened and get back to one app after a day and they are still opened, it´s is what I ever expected from a phone like Xperia Z3, is amazing. It is because Cyanogenmod is always updated and have all the latest fixes and their own fixes also. I heard that they have fixed more than 51 memory leaks (included the critical ones) in his 12.1 version. Also I get in love with Cyanogenmod extra features.
Yes, I lose all DRM protected features from camera and also PS4 Remote, but meh, camera sucks anyway in stock firmware, and is only a little worse in Cyanogenmod. Just to be careful I backed up my TA partition before unlock my bootloader and go into cyanogenmod.
Hope this helps to all guys that have lollipop, and need a true multitasking on his Xperia Z3 or Z3 Compact.
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CM12.1 alternative is good to know then. If I miss L too much, I guess I'll give a try to CM.

clouds5 said:
Thx for the comparison
I haven't tried Lollipop because there is nothing wrong with KitKat (+ROOT!) and there is nothing about Lollipop that I really need, it's mostly just eye-candy imho. Oh yes there is one small thing: The sparkly unlock animation in KK is the worst, haven't found a way to get rid of it yet... (except using a 3rd party lockscreen - which is something I'm not willing to do because I love my lockscreen widgets, any suggestions?)
Cheers
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Xposed Installer + Xperia Xposed should make you happy.

I see lollipop better than kitkat, phone run faster and smoother. Good update

Son Lam said:
I see lollipop better than kitkat, phone run faster and smoother. Good update
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Yes, is smoother, but we are talking about the multitasking that is not so good as it have to be...

KitKat has much more battery time than lollipop.
What do yolu think

draligus said:
KitKat has much more battery time than lollipop.
What do yolu think
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I think that it's a wrong statement. The same power usage curves and same percentage at the end of the day for me.
However, you might be using apps that don't behave well on LP.

Jack_R1 said:
I think that it's a wrong statement. The same power usage curves and same percentage at the end of the day for me.
However, you might be using apps that don't behave well on LP.
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that was my observation.

KK were amazing for my needs (good battery, smooth).
Lollipop looks just the same.
I always disable animations and whatnot, so I'm kind of an odd user.

to me LLP is good except the quick toggle and sound profile
i need to swipe twice for quick toggle and to swipe twice to close the quick toggle.
using volume button for sound profile annoys me as when i wanna silent my phone while plating music can't be done
multitasking so far is good for me
battery life is the same and in fact idle time is better in LLP
most of the apps improve smoothness in LLP except a few

mimicicu said:
Xposed Installer + Xperia Xposed should make you happy.
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Could you elaborate on that

I have tried to like Lollipop, but the annoyances i really have, is the swipe down quick menu, prefer the kitkat one, and i really dislike, the user icon on the Lockscreen status bar, At the moment, i have reverted back to kitkat, but would love to give lollipop more time, but after a day, i alway's revert back.

clouds5 said:
Could you elaborate on that
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You wanted to get rid of the "sparkly unlock animation" of your Z3 Compact, right?
Do you want the classic Android locker instead?
The original Xperia unlock:
http://i.imgur.com/umsERNx.png
Install Xperia Xposed then this:
http://i.imgur.com/VQOD6ay.png
(reboot)
You activate this:
http://i.imgur.com/92fLyDf.png
And you get this:
http://i.imgur.com/ZOOTdTn.png

First nexus, couple of questions

Hello,
This is my first nexus, getting it tomorrow (12th) really looking forward to it, got the graphite one (getting a case so doesn't matter to me)
Im quite excited about the development, it looks quite busy which is great, I'd just like to ask if anyone has any screen off animations, like the CRT effect or the s6 slide to the edge animation, I'm pretty sure xposed provides these but I'd like to avoid that if possible.
I'll be rooting day one as I've always done on my phones and then off on the hunt for a rom.. Glad to be a part of the nexus gang for once, hope it's as good as I've heard..
Second question was list view animations, again I'm aware that there are xposed mods XUI mod which can do these for me, but again I'd like to avoid them.. I think there will be some roms with this feature baked in but thought I'd ask anyway just incase there isn't..
Thanks chaps.

dladz said:
Hello,
This is my first nexus, getting it tomorrow (12th) really looking forward to it, got the graphite one (getting a case so doesn't matter to me)
Im quite excited about the development, it looks quite busy which is great, I'd just like to ask if anyone has any screen off animations, like the CRT effect or the s6 slide to the edge animation, I'm pretty sure xposed provides these but I'd like to avoid that if possible.
I'll be rooting day one as I've always done on my phones and then off on the hunt for a rom.. Glad to be a part of the nexus gang for once, hope it's as good as I've heard..
Second question was list view animations, again I'm aware that there are xposed mods XUI mod which can do these for me, but again I'd like to avoid them.. I think there will be some roms with this feature baked in but thought I'd ask anyway just incase there isn't..
Thanks chaps.
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sorry I have no idea about the screen off animation, didn't look at it tbh but mind if I ask why would you avoid xposed if you will root?

mr.dj26 said:
sorry I have no idea about the screen off animation, didn't look at it tbh but mind if I ask why would you avoid xposed if you will root?
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Not OP, but I've also been avoiding xposed. My impression is that I've seen enough negative comments about unpredictable behavior when paired with Franco Kernel, I think Franco himself may have even commented on it, and if I have to choose between the two I'm going with FK. I wish xposed could be super stable and compatible and predictable though, because I'm dying for some of it's features and I don't want to leave the stock ROM.
ALSO, it wasn't immediately apparent the requirements for using it, and the processes to install it (there are multiple parts, right? there used to be), and where we go for an aggregated list of mods like Cydia on iOS. Seemed like too much work for too much potential buginess.

.psd said:
Not OP, but I've also been avoiding xposed. My impression is that I've seen enough negative comments about unpredictable behavior when paired with Franco Kernel, I think Franco himself may have even commented on it, and if I have to choose between the two I'm going with FK. I wish xposed could be super stable and compatible and predictable though, because I'm dying for some of it's features and I don't want to leave the stock ROM.
ALSO, it wasn't immediately apparent the requirements for using it, and the processes to install it (there are multiple parts, right? there used to be), and where we go for an aggregated list of mods like Cydia on iOS. Seemed like too much work for too much potential buginess.
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Can't speak to the Franco kernel but I have used Xposed with Kylo, stock and God's kernel and have never had one issue with Xposed. You have to flash the installer with TWRP but otherwise its super easy.

mr.dj26 said:
sorry I have no idea about the screen off animation, didn't look at it tbh but mind if I ask why would you avoid xposed if you will root?
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Its a fair question, and the answer is unpredictable battery drain, extremely poorly updated and Un optimized mods, obviously not all of them but a lot.
As I said in the OP the list view animation has been done, I've had it on CandyRom on my M9, it works really well but I haven't seen a screen off animation since kit kat, the stock animation now is to fade away, if you slow down animations within development settings you'll see it on locking your phone. I'd just like a one time mod to be able to alter that to something else.
Once you've got it on your phone you like it and get used to it then you miss it when it's not there.
Personally I would like to avoid xposed, it does have a negative impact on your battery for that I'm sure.

tfly212 said:
Can't speak to the Franco kernel but I have used Xposed with Kylo, stock and God's kernel and have never had one issue with Xposed. You have to flash the installer with TWRP but otherwise its super easy.
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I actually wrote a tutorial on how to install xposed and the two above modules however after doing this and living with it vs not having xposed, same apps same rom. There was a huge difference in battery performance, hence why I'd like to avoid xposed altogether.

.psd said:
Not OP, but I've also been avoiding xposed. My impression is that I've seen enough negative comments about unpredictable behavior when paired with Franco Kernel, I think Franco himself may have even commented on it, and if I have to choose between the two I'm going with FK. I wish xposed could be super stable and compatible and predictable though, because I'm dying for some of it's features and I don't want to leave the stock ROM.
ALSO, it wasn't immediately apparent the requirements for using it, and the processes to install it (there are multiple parts, right? there used to be), and where we go for an aggregated list of mods like Cydia on iOS. Seemed like too much work for too much potential buginess.
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This is part of my problem too. If there are stand alone mods I'd prefer them over xposed.
Its like having the Facebook messenger app when the original Facebook app was more than enough, why have two apps when 1 will do.

There used to be stand alone mods for older devices, I'm not sure if it's possible any more or its just because there's less demand for it, but I always ask when I get a new phone.

dladz said:
I actually wrote a tutorial on how to install xposed and the two above modules however after doing this and living with it vs not having xposed, same apps same rom. There was a huge difference in battery performance, hence why I'd like to avoid xposed altogether.
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Interesting. Definitely not my experience... I have used Xposed from the start and get about 5 hours SOT as a standard with WiFi, cellular and GPS on all day (solid signal in NYC). Are you getting significantly more than 5 hours SOT without Xposed?

dladz said:
Its a fair question, and the answer is unpredictable battery drain, extremely poorly updated and Un optimized mods, obviously not all of them but a lot.
As I said in the OP the list view animation has been done, I've had it on CandyRom on my M9, it works really well but I haven't seen a screen off animation since kit kat, the stock animation now is to fade away, if you slow down animations within development settings you'll see it on locking your phone. I'd just like a one time mod to be able to alter that to something else.
Once you've got it on your phone you like it and get used to it then you miss it when it's not there.
Personally I would like to avoid xposed, it does have a negative impact on your battery for that I'm sure.
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I haven't noticed any difference in battery after installing xposed. I'm running on the stock rom/kernal with 0 issues. I use xposed for Gravity box , gesture nav, greenify, and youtube background playback. Maybe it's something with the modules you've downloaded.

mr.dj26 said:
I haven't noticed any difference in battery after installing xposed. I'm running on the stock rom/kernal with 0 issues. I use xposed for Gravity box , gesture nav, greenify, and youtube background playback. Maybe it's something with the modules you've downloaded.
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Perhaps, but the point is, if you could have the modifications which you've obtained through xposed without actually using an exploit like xposed, would you? I think you would.
This is what i'm looking for.
PS: Just got my 6P and i have to say it's one good looking phone, coming from the M9 too, it's very nice, i'm happy with it up to now for sure.

tfly212 said:
Interesting. Definitely not my experience... I have used Xposed from the start and get about 5 hours SOT as a standard with WiFi, cellular and GPS on all day (solid signal in NYC). Are you getting significantly more than 5 hours SOT without Xposed?
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I also don't want to spark a debate here as it's besides the point of what i originally asked, xposed is an app that allows mods, i personally given the chance would prefer to have the mods on their own, i know they can be done as i've seen them on previous devices (see my phone list below)
Just want to know if they exist on this device ? As it's a nexus i'd assumed that it was one of the most modded types of android out there.
Either way i'm more than happy with the device, it's a nice bit of kit.
Just my two cents here though to settle what you'd asked me, do i notice better battery without xposed, well yes i have noticed it to be better, a clean flash and then back to a normal rom and battery has been better.
There are many benefits to being without xposed, bug reporting for one, if you have xposed you can't bug report as it invalidates it, for me battery has been substandard with it, so i'm hoping with this phone i can avoid it and get the mods in a flashable zip.
Hoping

dladz said:
I also don't want to spark a debate here as it's besides the point of what i originally asked, xposed is an app that allows mods, i personally given the chance would prefer to have the mods on their own, i know they can be done as i've seen them on previous devices (see my phone list below)
Just want to know if they exist on this device ? As it's a nexus i'd assumed that it was one of the most modded types of android out there.
Either way i'm more than happy with the device, it's a nice bit of kit.
Just my two cents here though to settle what you'd asked me, do i notice better battery without xposed, well yes i have noticed it to be better, a clean flash and then back to a normal rom and battery has been better.
There are many benefits to being without xposed, bug reporting for one, if you have xposed you can't bug report as it invalidates it, for me battery has been substandard with it, so i'm hoping with this phone i can avoid it and get the mods in a flashable zip.
Hoping
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No worries...was more curious about your experience. If you were getting 8 hours SOT or something i would drop Xposed like a hot rock haha. I normally would go the ROM route but I have to use Airwatch for work and every ROM I tried made the device show as compromised.

tfly212 said:
No worries...was more curious about your experience. If you were getting 8 hours SOT or something i would drop Xposed like a hot rock haha. I normally would go the ROM route but I have to use Airwatch for work and every ROM I tried made the device show as compromised.
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What about using an older version of the app, that's how I use my banking app, the new one won't work but a few versions before and its all good.
Try it , might be OK.
I never measured screen on time, I measure by days, and events during the day, like how much battery on the way home, similar usage but xposed used more, from what I saw.

A Month Without Root - My Story

Approximately one month ago, I sent my phone in to Sony for repair service. The top speaker was not functioning properly. They fixed the speaker, but also updated my phone to Lollipop which caused me to lose root access. I've been rooting my phones since I first discovered it in 2010. I originally planned to immediately re-root my phone, but remembered that I can finally have access to Android Pay by keeping the device as-is. So, I decided to keep the phone without root and here's what I've discovered a month later:
The first week was the hardest - I forgot just how many of the tweaks I use required root access. This week was a rude awakening for me as I searched endlessly for alternative non-root methods to tweak my device. But almost every search resulted in either no results, or methods that simply didn't work. The toughest part was being re-introduced to that annoying Mobile Radio Active bug the still plagues Lollipop builds and not being able to fix it using the well-known root method.
After going through the 5 stages of grief, I finally accepted that there was only so much I could do with my device without root access and became at piece with my new root-less lifestyle. I noticed that my device felt just a bit more responsive without 30 Xposed modules installed. It was also somewhat freeing to know that I didn't have to keep trolling the xda forums every day to see if there was a new mod that someone developed that I could try. I've also been introduced to a number of apps in the Play Store that I otherwise would have overlooked. Since I can't tweak any of the system files of my phone, I have compensated by downloading new launchers, icon packs, and widgets to help satisfy my cravings to tweak.
Now that a month has passed, I think I'm willing to continue without root a little while longer. I do miss my xloud speaker mod, my camera mod, my system UI mods, and my brighter flashlight mod. But I've managed to survive just fine without them so far. Unfortunately though, the main reason for not rooting my device this time around (Android Pay) is the one feature I haven't used once since I got my phone repaired! The only times I really spend money is either at the local grocery store (they only accept physical cards), or at the gas pump (same thing). I don't frequent places such as walgreens, mcdonalds, or Panera Bread enough to take advantage of Android Pay as much as I originally hoped. It kinda sucks to finally have access to such an easy way to pay (chip cards SUCK) and not actually use it. lol
So there you have it, my story of being without root. Could you do it? Have you tried it?

PuffDaddy_d said:
Approximately one month ago, I sent my phone in to Sony for repair service. The top speaker was not functioning properly. They fixed the speaker, but also updated my phone to Lollipop which caused me to lose root access. I've been rooting my phones since I first discovered it in 2010. I originally planned to immediately re-root my phone, but remembered that I can finally have access to Android Pay by keeping the device as-is. So, I decided to keep the phone without root and here's what I've discovered a month later:
The first week was the hardest - I forgot just how many of the tweaks I use required root access. This week was a rude awakening for me as I searched endlessly for alternative non-root methods to tweak my device. But almost every search resulted in either no results, or methods that simply didn't work. The toughest part was being re-introduced to that annoying Mobile Radio Active bug the still plagues Lollipop builds and not being able to fix it using the well-known root method.
After going through the 5 stages of grief, I finally accepted that there was only so much I could do with my device without root access and became at piece with my new root-less lifestyle. I noticed that my device felt just a bit more responsive without 30 Xposed modules installed. It was also somewhat freeing to know that I didn't have to keep trolling the xda forums every day to see if there was a new mod that someone developed that I could try. I've also been introduced to a number of apps in the Play Store that I otherwise would have overlooked. Since I can't tweak any of the system files of my phone, I have compensated by downloading new launchers, icon packs, and widgets to help satisfy my cravings to tweak.
Now that a month has passed, I think I'm willing to continue without root a little while longer. I do miss my xloud speaker mod, my camera mod, my system UI mods, and my brighter flashlight mod. But I've managed to survive just fine without them so far. Unfortunately though, the main reason for not rooting my device this time around (Android Pay) is the one feature I haven't used once since I got my phone repaired! The only times I really spend money is either at the local grocery store (they only accept physical cards), or at the gas pump (same thing). I don't frequent places such as walgreens, mcdonalds, or Panera Bread enough to take advantage of Android Pay as much as I originally hoped. It kinda sucks to finally have access to such an easy way to pay (chip cards SUCK) and not actually use it. lol
So there you have it, my story of being without root. Could you do it? Have you tried it?
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Did you allready sign up with the AR?
I for myself could not life without root, cause all the bloating stuff would made me crazy. I want my rom as small as possible. Once I've found a very good and stable Rom I just went cold turkey from XDA, and coming only back when there's a major update. Then the whole process of finding the best rom (install, reflash, bootloops, flashing, bootloops, flashing etc begins again. But when there is the final small rom working like a charm I dissapear again...
I love Sony's design, but thinking of getting me a Nexus when I'm upgrading for a new phone next year. Allways first new updates, little bloatweare and easy to root etc.

I can't imagine my Z3C without root, stock UI and everything is so simple without the Xposed mods and all the other tweaks

Been running without root since I joined the original concept and the only thing I miss is the ability to add reboot and use titanium backup
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this is my first smarthphone that I dont root. Before I had a Xperia S and a Xperia T2 Ultra. My Z3C has been running really good, so I dont feel the need to root it

Juampo-CHILE said:
this is my first smarthphone that I dont root. Before I had a Xperia S and a Xperia T2 Ultra. My Z3C has been running really good, so I dont feel the need to root it
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Same here, I had Galaxy S II and Nexus 4 before Z3c. I had to root both phones and play with custom kernels to get better battery life and fix problems that manufacturers didn't. Z3c just works.

I can't use my phones without root because of one reason: skip music tracks with volume buttons. This is the most important module functionality for me.

Adaway is the only reason I root

The Transporter said:
Adaway is the only reason I root
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In app adds don't bother me that much. They're usually just a small, unobtrusive banner at the bottom of the screen. However, browser based add (especially on mobile sites) are the worst! They make the webpage take 2-3 times as long to load and sometimes, the adds consume the entire screen. Fortunately, AdBlock browser has been a great non-root solution for me.

Guys, try NoChromo browser, it removes all ads from the web pages. You can get it here on XDA: http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/app-nochromo-wild-browser-appears-t3130776
It is just like normal Chrome browser but without annoying ads.

I've used my phone without root since Marshmallow Concept, then updated to official Marshmallow and the only thing I missed from rooting was Adaway and Xposed with GravityBox (to modify the timeout of annoying heads up notifications).
I was only waiting for a custom MM rom to appear for Z3C, that's why I remained totally stock, now I'm happy with SliMM

This is extremely subjective. I can't live without root, it would consume me little by little from the inside. Not being fully satisfied by the experience provided by my phone would definitely sadden me day by day until the point I would get a different one. It's very known that most human minds do have a tendency to accept the unacceptable after a while though. Personally Android Pay is not a feature I would exchange for 30 other features/customizations offered by root access.
bottomline: I'm not a tiny bit eager to go back to an experience without root access simply because it is too good to be taken away from me.

The Transporter said:
Adaway is the only reason I root
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Couldn't have said it better myself. Using the hosts file to block ads is so effective and clean.

I think xposed doesnt ruin battery life at all. Btw, the reason i root is Titanium and adaway.. i often change my phone, so Titanium is a lifesaver!

I was on the Concept program and lived without root for some months, the first time in many years I had done so.
However now that official MM is out and is rootable, I've ditched concept and made my own pre-rooted version of MM. The ability to tweak system processes and remove bloatware/unwanted system apps is a must for me!

I was without root during Marshmallow Concept (4 months about), with benefit to get monthly updates...
Since I came back to beta I decided to root again for the following reasons:
- Adaway application first !!!!
- Never lose data with full backups of applications
- Viper4Android sound mod

***Update***
Well, it's been approximately 3 months since I've opted NOT to root my device and I must say that I'm starting to crave that rooted goodness once again. Here's what I miss most:
- Increased speaker volume
- Increased flashlight brightness
- Hardware shortcut to turn on flashlight
- General system UI tweaks
But, I'm trying to stay strong and stay stock as long as possible. Despite the rare usage of Android Pay, I do enjoy how much safer it is vs swiping a physical card, and its a heck of a lot faster than inserting those stupid chip cards. WIsh me luck.

I buy z3c yesterday i came from Nexus 5 . My z3c 5803 has mm official . A guide update to all in One root recovery ?
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You can increase the flash brightness? Is that even possible? How?

Lazer72 said:
You can increase the flash brightness? Is that even possible? How?
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The device has to be rooted and you simply edit the build.prop files. There is a thread in the cross-device development section that walks you through it.