bypass Qualcomm Hexagon DSP - Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

bypass Qualcomm Hexagon DSP - Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I've just got the N4 coming from a SGS3 LTE with a Wolfson and they N4 is pretty thin sounding in comparison with no real depth. Do you think this could be due to all the battery saving dsp stuff the Qualcomm is doing? I don't want to save battery and have days with off playback....I want the best quality if possible. Does anyone have any idea if it's to bypass the battery saving mode?
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I don't see why there would be any DSP being applied unless the user selects a perticular sound mode. I was under the impression that the difference in sound between Samsung devices comes down to the difference in DACs, some have the better Wolfson chips and some use the lesser quality Qualcomms

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[Q] Sound Galaxy S4 VS Galaxy S3

I wonder if someone made some test with the Galaxy S4 using the auxiliary input of a sound with the 3.5 plug male.
I ask this because the Galaxy S3 has a reduction in sound quality when connected to an external device that it's horrible.
Compared to any other phone, the Galaxy S3 loses by this reduction of sound, requiring the installation of applications to improve a bit.
Does anybody know if the Galaxy S3 to S4 are equal in this regard?

maurobonder said:
I wonder if someone made some test with the Galaxy S4 using the auxiliary input of a sound with the 3.5 plug male.
I ask this because the Galaxy S3 has a reduction in sound quality when connected to an external device that it's horrible.
Compared to any other phone, the Galaxy S3 loses by this reduction of sound, requiring the installation of applications to improve a bit.
Does anybody know if the Galaxy S3 to S4 are equal in this regard?
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I have seen videos of everything but this kind of comparison but I can tell you this, the Galaxy S4 puts out much better sounds then the S3 and has a better chipset, odds are this will not be an issue but I can't say for sure, just my take on it.

I have my doubts because I had iphone 2G, 3G, 3GS and when I bought the Galaxy S3, the audio in car sound particularly disappointed me a lot.
And I buy the Galaxy S4, need to know if it has improved or not.
If anyone knows, I appreciate the help.

i found a article that show a few informations about this subject.
in S3 when something was connected to the output quality was reduced to 3.5 (from -92.6 to -53.1) and now in tests in S4 reduction is small (from -96.4 to -95.5) which makes me think it was resolved.
Right?

Ops. I found more information regarding these graphs is that the 9500 model has a new audio chip (Wolfson), but does not support LTE.
The i9505 that supports LTE is the same audio chip S3, so if you care about sound, it is better to opt for GS4 9500

galaxy s 4 good sound

androidlebell said:
galaxy s 4 good sound
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Did you test using external ?
It´s good ? are Sure ?

maurobonder said:
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The i9505 that supports LTE is the same audio chip S3, so if you care about sound, it is better to opt for GS4 9500
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The I9505 that supports LTE does not have the same audio chip that S3 has. S3's is Wolfson WM 1811 whilst the i9505 has built-in qualcomm based Snapdragon S4's audio chip.
And I assume you mentioned the S3's I9300 variant.

thekoRngear said:
The I9505 that supports LTE does not have the same audio chip that S3 has. S3's is Wolfson WM 1811 whilst the i9505 has built-in qualcomm based Snapdragon S4's audio chip.
And I assume you mentioned the S3's I9300 variant.
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Maybe I did mess. In short, what chip is best? Wolfson or qualcomm?
What s4 chip and each uses? i9500 and i9505?

the stock sound is alright, it's loud, that's for sure, but having come from Boffela sound on the s3, I must be spoiled because I'm left wanting more. I tried Adapt Sound, and some other sound gimmicky apps in the market, but have yet to really find anything good. ideally a 5 band hardware equalizer would be nice, but as that's not gonna happen anytime soon, anyone else have any sound tuning methods in the mean time?
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The international version of GSIII has a wolfson audio chip, the US version has a qualcomm chip. Hence the quality difference.

Audio Quality of the Note 3- SD800 vs EXY5420

We know that Samsung has signed a multi-year contract with Wolfson, and that past phones, such as the Note 2, have used Wolfson DAC's. Now, all we know about the audio on the Note 3 is that it will be "hi-def" being 24bit and 192khz. From what I've read, this spec is for both versions of the Note 3. Now, do you all think that both the Snapdragon 800 version and the Exynos 5420 version will have a Wolfson DAC? Or will the 800 have crappy integrated qualcomm audio as the S3 did?
I've tried contacting both Samsung and Wolfson, but to no avail. As soon as any information is available on the subject, I'll update this post.

wiimonkey9 said:
We know that Samsung has signed a multi-year contract with Wolfson, and that past phones, such as the Note 2, have used Wolfson DAC's. Now, all we know about the audio on the Note 3 is that it will be "hi-def" being 24bit and 192khz. From what I've read, this spec is for both versions of the Note 3. Now, do you all think that both the Snapdragon 800 version and the Exynos 5420 version will have a Wolfson DAC? Or will the 800 have crappy integrated qualcomm audio as the S3 did?
I've tried contacting both Samsung and Wolfson, but to no avail. As soon as any information is available on the subject, I'll update this post.
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S800 has a the Qualcomm DAC at least from my experience with the xperia z ultra, but I might be wrong .
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hiya,
from what iv heard so far the s800 version will have the qualcom chip. I tried getting in contact with the editors from engadget who were at IFA 2013 to ask this very question &got zilch. iv tried tweeting Samsung & Sony about the audio DACs in the zperia z1 &the galaxy note 3 &u guessed it..... nothing. the person I have spoken to is a recognised Dev here at xda &he says that the sound for the note 3 will be as good as u can get, but probably for the exynos version.
I hope this helps

Guys, I have a question developed since the release of S800 devices i.e., Ultra, S4 LTE-A (and coming I9506), G2 etc which will have the audio solution that Qualcomm provides. GSMArena already praised S600 (S4 I9505) audio quality. And since the S800 is a faster and improved version of slapdragon devices I think slapdragon does not seat idle. I mean they also continue to improve their audio part. That said, should not be the difference between exynos 5 octa and a slapdragon s4/note 3 minimal?
I dont get any much response from LTE-A owners.
It is not like crappy yamaha DAC against Exynos powered Wolfson chips.

thekoRngear said:
Guys, I have a question developed since the release of S800 devices i.e., Ultra, S4 LTE-A (and coming I9506), G2 etc which will have the audio solution that Qualcomm provides. GSMArena already praised S600 (S4 I9505) audio quality. And since the S800 is a faster and improved version of slapdragon devices I think slapdragon does not seat idle. I mean they also continue to improve their audio part. That said, should not be the difference between exynos 5 octa and a slapdragon s4/note 3 minimal?
I dont get any much response from LTE-A owners.
It is not like crappy yamaha DAC against Exynos powered Wolfson chips.
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Well, it should still support that "hifi" audio, so it can't be that bad. Plus, at E3 Qualcomm was showing off the audio of the SD800 which sounded pretty damn impressive to me at the time. I don't doubt that the audio quality will be good, but I'm worried that I won't be able to use audio mods like voodoo or viper4android.

wiimonkey9 said:
We know that Samsung has signed a multi-year contract with Wolfson, and that past phones, such as the Note 2, have used Wolfson DAC's. Now, all we know about the audio on the Note 3 is that it will be "hi-def" being 24bit and 192khz. From what I've read, this spec is for both versions of the Note 3. Now, do you all think that both the Snapdragon 800 version and the Exynos 5420 version will have a Wolfson DAC? Or will the 800 have crappy integrated qualcomm audio as the S3 did?
I've tried contacting both Samsung and Wolfson, but to no avail. As soon as any information is available on the subject, I'll update this post.
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Whatever... all that awesome audio quality will go to waste if the phone has a crappy speaker on the back, like old Note 2.
I'm so spoiled by my Nexus 10 front facing stereo speakers.

rodrigorajao said:
Whatever... all that awesome audio quality will go to waste if the phone has a crappy speaker on the back, like old Note 2.
I'm so spoiled by my Nexus 10 front facing stereo speakers.
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The speaker is on the bottom for the Note 3. But, ummm.... When people talk about audio quality, they are talking about it with headphones. Nobody expects speakers to sound like a 7.1 surround sound system on a phone.

rodrigorajao said:
Whatever... all that awesome audio quality will go to waste if the phone has a crappy speaker on the back, like old Note 2.
I'm so spoiled by my Nexus 10 front facing stereo speakers.
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LOL! Audio quality and phone/ tablet/laptop speakers! Ever heard quality stereo set up?

you know what guys.... I'm tired of all this audio chip crap, at IFA 2013 it was all about oooh display this &wow camera that, yet the bigwigs just don't bother with discussing audio. I don't know why they don't get that the reason why apple make millions on the iphone every year is because they do their audio quite well across the whole range. hell, I'd get an iPhone if it wasn't for wretched iTunes. its purely logical to assume that people will use the one item they have pretty much ALL the time as a music player rather than a video player (software permitting) isn't it? I mean who cares if you've got a 5 inch screen that can display 1080p? really? you'd have to have 21/20 vision to pick up all the tiny details anyway. but sound, that's different, different phones, even by the same company or even in the same product line seem to be miles apart in terms of audio quality. its ridiculous. &I, like a lame ass, have spent the last week trying to figure out what audio capabilities the note 3 has. more fool me. I might as well buy a decent USB DAC, connect it to my phone &let that handle all the audio. these companies are taking the mick.....

I have not listen to music on my phone since I've upgraded to the GN1.
I'm always paranoid that the power will run out on me before I get home since I listen to quite a lot of music when I'm out.
So I'm using a sansa + portable amp atm, and it's great!
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seraphism said:
you know what guys.... I'm tired of all this audio chip crap, at IFA 2013 it was all about oooh display this &wow camera that, yet the bigwigs just don't bother with discussing audio. I don't know why they don't get that the reason why apple make millions on the iphone every year is because they do their audio quite well across the whole range. hell, I'd get an iPhone if it wasn't for wretched iTunes. its purely logical to assume that people will use the one item they have pretty much ALL the time as a music player rather than a video player (software permitting) isn't it? I mean who cares if you've got a 5 inch screen that can display 1080p? really? you'd have to have 21/20 vision to pick up all the tiny details anyway. but sound, that's different, different phones, even by the same company or even in the same product line seem to be miles apart in terms of audio quality. its ridiculous. &I, like a lame ass, have spent the last week trying to figure out what audio capabilities the note 3 has. more fool me. I might as well buy a decent USB DAC, connect it to my phone &let that handle all the audio. these companies are taking the mick.....
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If a phone is equipped with the Wolfson DAC and powered by voodoo sound and /or other tweaks, you will get one of the best sound quality, a PORTABLE device can have, including standalone portable music players .
That's what I got from my Galaxy S1 and Note 2 devices..
That could be a reason for a user to go for the exynos version of the Note3 instead of Snapdragon's...that's all
When I decide to finally purchase the Note 3, I will first take my headsets to a showroom and compare the Note 3's sound against my GNote2 among other things
Not being in a hurry to purchase yet another very expensive gadget, is a good thing ...
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betoNL said:
If a phone is equipped with the Wolfson DAC and powered by voodoo sound and /or other tweaks, you will get one of the best sound quality, a PORTABLE device can have, including standalone portable music players .
That's what I got from my Galaxy S1 and Note 2 devices..
That could be a reason for a user to go for the exynos version of the Note3 instead of Snapdragon's...that's all
When I decide to finally purchase the Note 3, I will first take my headsets to a showroom and compare the Note 3's sound against my GNote2 among other things
Not being in a hurry to purchase yet another very expensive gadget, is a good thing ...
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agreed Mr beto. I was on a serious rant that day lol. iv decided to bide my time. any phone company would be all too happy to sign me to yet another contract for another 2 years. I think I might just wait until my good old nexus one completely gives up before I use another phone. the isn't actually too bad with viper4audio lol. I don't actually think the exynos one will be available on any carrier on my country, as its only 3g enabled as far as I'm aware? the snapdragon one is lte enabled which is what the great communication gods of the united kingdom are deciding to push as hard as they can. I don't think I could afford to buy it outright. ~£700 is alot of money.... thank you for your advise anyway.

No bad choice.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_i9500_vs_i9505-review-930p5.php

This what what GSMArena said in their latest preview of the Note 2, with their audio testing as well:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_3_preview-review-986p5.php
The Samsung Galaxy Note 3 showed exceptionally clean audio output in our audio quality test. The phablet posted some of the best scores we have seen in both parts of the test and garnished them with decent volume levels. It's not the loudest we have seen, but it's loud enough for 99% of the occasions.
Impressively, there's virtually no distortion when you plug in a pair of headphones. Except for the minor bump in stereo crosstalk the output is barely affected.
And here go the results so you can see for yourselves.
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Hard to believe the DAC of the Snapdragon model can match the Wolfson one
I prefer to wait and see what Supercurio will say about it and then I will be doing my own comparisons at the showrooms.
I hope it will get close...
Here is Holland it will be much easier to get the S800.
If I decide to go for the Exynos, I will probably need to make a short trip to Germany...
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wow, if what gsmarena say is correct then Mr Barry is indeed correct..... well that means audio in all upcoming Snapdragon phones should be about on par with wolfson audio chips?..... I.e the audio in snapdragon socs should in theory get.even better? jeez, snapdragon is really pulling out all the stops..... huzzah! its about f****** time!

However.....
There is a chance the S800 will carry the Wolfson
Just found this info:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/678952/samsung-galaxy-note-3-24-bit-192khz/30#post_9816900

it looks like there may be hope yet. I'm sorry for asking but who is supercurio? I tried looking for info but I'm finding only voodoo stuff. is he like doomlord of the xperias? anyhoo, if anyone is interested I went to my local three store today to ask about the note 3. the advisor there said it should be available on three in the uk from 25th September. on a 2 year "the one plan" contract it would be £37 per month with £100 up front, I'm guessing that's for the 32gb note 3. time to raid the ol' piggy bank guys!

I hate to break it to you guys, but just having a Wolfson does nothing whatsoever to ensure high quality sound. Stated differently: having a Wolfson DAC rather than the Qualcomm DAC does not in and of itself mean one variant of the Note 3 will sound better than the other.
Because of the original Galaxy S and Voodoo Sound, Wolfson have a totally irrational following amongst Android users. Don't get me wrong, Wolfson make great DACs, but the DAC in a device is only part of the equation - how it is implemented is also really important. Case in point is the LG 2x Vs the Galaxy S. Both have the same DAC, only even with Voodoo Sound the Galaxy S has incomparably better sound quality (as measured and heard by Supercurio). Why? Implementation. There are lots of elements that go into implementing a DAC well - RF shielding from other components (the 2x has horrible CPU noise that intrudes all over the sound), how the power supply to the DAC is governed, the output impedance of the device (which is determined by more than the DAC alone, output impedance was the main problem with the Yamaha DAC'd S2 - it was 10ohm which meant unless your headphones/earphones had an input impedance of at least 80ohms the mismatch caused wonky frequency responses, big problem given virtually all IEMs have an input impedance in the 16-50 range), and what the software layer does with sound (the Wolfson-packing S4 Octa upsamples everything to 48KHz, which negatively impacts fidelity). There are probably lots of other things I'm not aware of that have a bearing that are external to a devices DAC.

That's another reason I would never pre-order an expensive device, besides trying avoiding those abusive pre-order prices :
I like to take my time and do my own comparison tests before buying anything, disregard all that technical mambo-jambo and expert reviews.
All those sellers of the showrooms I visit, are already used with me, bringing my headsets and playing hours with different devices and comparing them.
It's fun anyway, and in the meantime, the amazing sound of my Wolfson/Voodoo/MegaBass Beats powered GNote2 will do just fine....
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[Voting&Choosing] Snap vs Octa

Hi to all!
Please write here your opinion why snap or octa better?
Not just bla-bla-bla, but real things and knowledge!!!
Thank you!

I've voted for Octa because I no need LTE and 4K video. So Octa is more interesting, modern, perspectiv. I hope it'll be less power consumption with same or better performance as Snap.

My reasons for Octa:
1. 4 powerful + 4 efficient cores which can work simultaneously -> better CPU performance and better battery life
2. More RAM available (2.72 GB vs 2.38 GB)
3. Better sound (Wolfson DAC vs Qualcomm DAC)
Pros of Snap which don't bother me:
1. LTE. We don't have LTE in Ukraine. IMHO, even with new Qualcomm QFE1100 chip LTE will drain more battery than GSM/UMTS. It just improves situation compare to other LTE solutions but GSM/UMTS operation is still superior in this regard.
2. 4K recording. Too large video files. I think 1080p 60fps is more important.
3. Supposedly better GPU performance. I don't play games.

Didn't know some countries or rather telecoms don't have LTE still. It'd be like going back 5 years, can't imagine tethering my tablet on 3G...
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slimslim said:
Didn't know some countries or rather telecoms don't have LTE still. It'd be like going back 5 years, can't imagine tethering my tablet on 3G...
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Our telecoms are bragging about LTE and we have covered 20% of the country. 5,6 towns have limited lte depends where you are and beside
that they are charging a lot for LTE. Mostly in Europe, Eastern countries doesnt have proper LTE but everyone are using Snap version still...

ussrxoden said:
My reasons for Octa:
1. 4 powerful + 4 efficient cores which can work simultaneously -> better CPU performance and better battery life
2. More RAM available (2.72 GB vs 2.38 GB)
3. Better sound (Wolfson DAC vs Qualcomm DAC)
Pros of Snap which don't bother me:
1. LTE. We don't have LTE in Ukraine. IMHO, even with new Qualcomm QFE1100 chip LTE will drain more battery than GSM/UMTS. It just improves situation compare to other LTE solutions but GSM/UMTS operation is still superior in this regard.
2. 4K recording. Too large video files. I think 1080p 60fps is more important.
3. Supposedly better GPU performance. I don't play games.
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Where did you find the info on the DAC?

Three Reasons for the Samsung Exynos 5 Octa 5420:
1) Notably more memory bandwidth 14.9 GB/s vs 12.8 GB/s
2.10 GB/s more memory bandwidth. This is the maximum rate that data can be read from or stored into memory.
2) Considerably higher ram speed 1866 vs 800
1066 higher ram speed. It can support faster memory, which will give quicker system performance.
3) Supports hardware-assisted virtualization Yes vs No
it is easier to obtain better performance when using virtualization if it is hardware-assisted.
Three Reasons for the Qualcomm Snapdragon 800:
1) Shorter 10 mm vs 11 mm 1 mm shorter.
2) Explicitly narrower 10 mm vs 12 mm 2 mm narrower.
3) Reasonably faster CPU clock speed 27.78% faster CPU clock speed.
Edit: Forgot the source of this info
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Where did you find the info on the DAC?
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I know you asked him, but I read somewhere ( easy to google for it) that Samsung signed a long-term deal with Wolfson.
I also read that the DAC on the S800 is integrated so guess which one is getting the Wolfson?
Anyway I am not in a hurry , so I will be playing with the Phone in the showrooms quite a lot before I make any decision,,
As I said before, it's difficult, but not being in a hurry, is a good thing....
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betoNL said:
Three Reasons for the Samsung Exynos 5 Octa 5420:
1) Notably more memory bandwidth 14.9 GB/s vs 12.8 GB/s
2.10 GB/s more memory bandwidth. This is the maximum rate that data can be read from or stored into memory.
2) Considerably higher ram speed 1866 vs 800
1066 higher ram speed. It can support faster memory, which will give quicker system performance.
3) Supports hardware-assisted virtualization Yes vs No
it is easier to obtain better performance when using virtualization if it is hardware-assisted.
Three Reasons for the Qualcomm Snapdragon 800:
1) Shorter 10 mm vs 11 mm 1 mm shorter.
2) Explicitly narrower 10 mm vs 12 mm 2 mm narrower.
3) Reasonably faster CPU clock speed 27.78% faster CPU clock speed.
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Just pointing out that both versions have the same performace, as a 1,9Ghz Octa matches (or beats) a 2.3 Ghz snapdragon.
Same happened with the S4, and now that the Note 3 can use all 8 cores we will see.
And I also believe both versions are identical in size.
I would pick the octa for two simple reasons:
4G in Qatar only started this year and has weird bands that no phone supports, except for custom made 4G keys.
I'm interested in the ability to use all 8 cores at once.
I'm also interested on what people will do to improve on that aspect with kernels, It seems a fun little ride
I would pick the S800 version if I desire down the line, but I'll start with the Octa first.
PS: I have a weird fetish love for exynos for some reason, even knowing the not so open behaviour.

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2) Considerably higher ram speed 1866 vs 800
1066 higher ram speed. It can support faster memory, which will give quicker system performance.
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Where would you find the info regarding that 3 GB RAM?
Edit; Got it. According to anandtech exynos 5420 supports up to 1866 MHz.

thekoRngear said:
Where would you find the info regarding that 3 GB RAM?
According to wikipedia (yeah, know it is viewed as not-so-reliable) both the MSM8974AB and Exynos 5420 have 32-bit dual-channel 933 MHz LPDDR3e (14.9 GB/sec). Even if the note version snapdragon doesn't have that AB tag it will be 800 MHz (12.8 GB/s) which is not that far behind.
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Here is the source of that comparison:
http://versus.com/en
It could be bogus .... big chance it is ....
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I NEED LTE. Since having it, I can't see myself using anything slower.

SgtGoldy said:
I NEED LTE. Since having it, I can't see myself using anything slower.
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Ditto

ussrxoden said:
My reasons for Octa:
1. 4 powerful + 4 efficient cores which can work simultaneously -> better CPU performance and better battery life
2. More RAM available (2.72 GB vs 2.38 GB)
3. Better sound (Wolfson DAC vs Qualcomm DAC)
Pros of Snap which don't bother me:
1. LTE. We don't have LTE in Ukraine. IMHO, even with new Qualcomm QFE1100 chip LTE will drain more battery than GSM/UMTS. It just improves situation compare to other LTE solutions but GSM/UMTS operation is still superior in this regard.
2. 4K recording. Too large video files. I think 1080p 60fps is more important.
3. Supposedly better GPU performance. I don't play games.
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1. I live in chicago and I'm going to need that hella fast LTE
2. The 4k recording

betoNL said:
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I know you asked him, but I read somewhere ( easy to google for it) that Samsung signed a long-term deal with Wolfson.
I also read that the DAC on the S800 is integrated so guess which one is getting the Wolfson?
Anyway I am not in a hurry , so I will be playing with the Phone in the showrooms quite a lot before I make any decision,,
As I said before, it's difficult, but not being in a hurry, is a good thing....
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Lame. Well, I am not in a hurry either, my work offered to buy me any device I wanted. I have an HTC One, tried the SGS4, G Pro, 1020 and the 5S is just to small. The only thing left was the Note 3

No choice. Only Octa will be available. And I want Octa for true 8 core mode.
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Yeah even I would go for octane...I would love to have all 8 cores working...a true octa core

Not sure yet.
Don't care much about 4k video. 4G isn't widely available in India yet but should spread in the next couple of years. Still plans will probably be expensive for a while so I can live without it for the next 2-3 years.
Probably the biggest issue for me would be battery life. The S800 seems to do well and battery life on the G2 appears to be superb. Not sure how the Octa matches up here, we will have to wait for reviews.

designgears said:
Lame. Well, I am not in a hurry either, my work offered to buy me any device I wanted. I have an HTC One, tried the SGS4, G Pro, 1020 and the 5S is just to small. The only thing left was the Note 3
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However.....
There is a chance the S800 will carry the Wolfson
Just found this info:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/678952/samsung-galaxy-note-3-24-bit-192khz/30#post_9816900
How do they disable the System on chip DAC?
tattari
i really don't know , i just read it
LG's upcoming G2 phone packs in modern features including 5.2" HD IPS screen, 13 MP camera with 8x digital zoom and the ability to play lossless 24-bit/192kHz audio files. Coming with the Snapdragon 2.26GHz quad core CPU, 32GB ROM and 1920 x 1080 full HD IPS screen, the new G2 sports a variety of modern features. Now that Wolfson's latest WM5110 mobile 24-bit/192kHz DAC chip is showing up in devices, first reported in May 23 here @ Enjoy the Music.com's Industry News page, audiophiles and high fidelity enthusiasts will soon be able to travel with a single device to hear their high resolution music and answer phone calls plus other mobile computing tasks. Wolfson's M5110 is the industry's first quad core High Definition (HD) Audio Processor System-on-a-Chip (SoC). This new highly-integrated, low power HD Audio Processor with advanced DSP feature set is designed to deliver HD Audio performance of 24-bit/192kHz for smartphones, tablet computers and portable multimedia devices. The WM5110 provides 110dB signal-to-noise ratio (SNR) and a fast 600 MIPS of processing power, while only requiring 3mW DAC to headphone power consumption, making it the most powerful and efficient HD Audio Processor on the market. Other features of LG's G2 include Audio Zooming that enables users to zero in on specific audio source by zooming in on your subject while recording video. This unique feature uses three stereo mikes, which amplify sound from the specified angle and deemphasize the surrounding noise. If you want to enjoy the music, then simply plug in your headphones and go. The unit provides easy file sync simply by plugging in a USB cable and the G2 intuitively shows you the icons for features that require earphones or USB cables when you plug them in. This allows faster access to the apps you desire. The LG G2 comes with a large 3000 mAh battery for hour after hour of musical pleasure
and that's the source link
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/news/0813/
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i wouldn't call my self an audiophile , but i really do appreciate high quality music , and have a decent pair of cans that can produce good music
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OT: For Exynos version, GTS won't be shipped out-of-box. They will ship with core-migration.
GTS will be enabled later through some kernel/patch upgrades.

LTE is so overrated. Who's going to download a 1GB file on mobile data anyway. Most of the time, it'll be small packets and you won't even feel the difference in speed between LTE and HSPA+ for those.
Plus, battery blows on LTE. Even if I owned an LTE device, I'd still run it on HSPA+ because of the battery life.
Except for the S4, the Exynos is always better than the Qualcomm. On the S4, Qualcomm was better because it could run native AOSP and Exynos 4 didn't work correctly. However, the Exynos is always the preferred version and even pay premiums for it.

Keep my htc m8 or buy Note 4?

hi guys, i am a happy owner of a htc one m8, the device is the fastest i've used and UI is a lot smooth. i also loved note 4 when i played with it in a samsung store. But i have some concerns about this device.
1-how is the UI performance in day to day use? in my m8 the UI is fast, no lag at all, but i know TW is heavy and i am a bit worried. mainly because i saw this video from flossy carter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdYuj2NSZZ0#t=851 . in 14:11 the device completely crash.
2-here in Brazil i just have the option to buy exynos version SM-N910C. is not clear anywhere what is dac it is using and if camera sensor is sony or samsung isocell, and which one is better.
3-how loud do you guys can record video without distortion? my other previous devices everytime i am with a place with high volume sound the audio distorts with bass, but with my m8 is clear, also iphones and some lumias don't have this problem. does note 4 have this problem?
4-how speaker audio compares to htc m8?
5- how is the battery life? it can reach 8 hours of screen on time with continuous usage?
6-how is the outdoor visibility?
is a lot of questions because i like my m8, and don't want to regret if i buy note 4. thanks.

leandronb said:
hi guys, i am a happy owner of a htc one m8, the device is the fastest i've used and UI is a lot smooth. i also loved note 4 when i played with it in a samsung store. But i have some concerns about this device.
1-how is the UI performance in day to day use? in my m8 the UI is fast, no lag at all, but i know TW is heavy and i am a bit worried. mainly because i saw this video from flossy carter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdYuj2NSZZ0#t=851 . in 14:11 the device completely crash.
2-here in Brazil i just have the option to buy exynos version SM-N910C. is not clear anywhere what is dac it is using and if camera sensor is sony or samsung isocell, and which one is better.
3-how loud do you guys can record video without distortion? my other previous devices everytime i am with a place with high volume sound the audio distorts with bass, but with my m8 is clear, also iphones and some lumias don't have this problem. does note 4 have this problem?
4-how speaker audio compares to htc m8?
5- how is the battery life? it can reach 8 hours of screen on time with continuous usage?
6-how is the outdoor visibility?
is a lot of questions because i like my m8, and don't want to regret if i buy note 4. thanks.
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I was an M8 user for quite some time before getting Note 4 and I'm pretty sure I can answer all of your questions:
1. M8's peformance is definitely smoother than N4's. Not that you'll notice daily lag or something, but TouchWiz is just so much heavier than Sense that the hiccups always come out in different parts of the UI.
2. I own an N910C as well and I am pretty sure it use Samsung's ISOCELL camera. Is it better than the Sony one found in Exynos? No idea. As far as the camera quality goes compared to M8, it's pretty much the same: selfies and normals are amazing and they look even better on the amazing QHD display, but M8's HDR and low light performance beats N4.
3. Never really had any problems with audio distortion on videos but I'm pretty sure with the additional microphones Samsung has put in, it should be a pleasant experience.
4. Nobody can beat M8's boom speakers at the moment in the market. N4's speaker is obviously nowhere better than stereo speakers of M8, but it's not too bad either.
5. 8 hours of screen on ? Whoaaa, dream on! Every N4 user has difference battery performance from what I saw on the forums, but I can assure you around 3-4 hrs of SoT. Fast Charging kinda makes up for that.
6. Since N4 has an AMOLED display, it always struggles in daylight visibility. However it is better than any other AMOLED display before and while it might not be better than M8's, it's still not gonna cause you a lot of problems in direct sunlight.

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I was an M8 user for quite some time before getting Note 4 and I'm pretty sure I can answer all of your questions:
1. M8's peformance is definitely smoother than N4's. Not that you'll notice daily lag or something, but TouchWiz is just so much heavier than Sense that the hiccups always come out in different parts of the UI.
2. I own an N910C as well and I am pretty sure it use Samsung's ISOCELL camera. Is it better than the Sony one found in Exynos? No idea. As far as the camera quality goes compared to M8, it's pretty much the same: selfies and normals are amazing and they look even better on the amazing QHD display, but M8's HDR and low light performance beats N4.
3. Never really had any problems with audio distortion on videos but I'm pretty sure with the additional microphones Samsung has put in, it should be a pleasant experience.
4. Nobody can beat M8's boom speakers at the moment in the market. N4's speaker is obviously nowhere better than stereo speakers of M8, but it's not too bad either.
5. 8 hours of screen on ? Whoaaa, dream on! Every N4 user has difference battery performance from what I saw on the forums, but I can assure you around 3-4 hrs of SoT. Fast Charging kinda makes up for that.
6. Since N4 has an AMOLED display, it always struggles in daylight visibility. However it is better than any other AMOLED display before and while it might not be better than M8's, it's still not gonna cause you a lot of problems in direct sunlight.
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So are you happy with your decision? there is something in your m8 that you miss now?

M8 would be smoother with the UI. I have a note 4, it's brilliant. It's really just an all-rounder. But ultimately what made me choose it over getting an M8 was my need for the s-pen. I'm a digital artist, and I use sketchbook pro on my note 10.1, and using dropsync I can now sync my projects between both devices... I'm super happy with this. Again, I would have probably bought the M8, or Z3 cause of the smoother UI if I didn't need the stylus. Enjoy your phone sir, it's one of the best out there

Wolfson DAC in Tab 4 7.0 LTE (SM-T235)

According to ifixit, I realize Galaxy S5 mini has a Wolfson WM1811AE hifi DAC in it. https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Samsung+Galaxy+S5+Mini+Teardown/27579
S5 mini is running on Exynos 3470 processor which is the same as Tab 4 7.0 LTE (SM-T235) so I was wondering if T235 has a wolfson DAC as well? I wish i will be able to find out the audio DAC using the software method. Hopefully someone will develop a kernel with engine like voodoo sound/ boeffla sound for T235 if it is really running on wolfson WM1811AE.

Same question here.
I'm just about to replace my T230 with T235 and I'm really hoping for that Wolfson DAC. I love the deep super detailed sound it produces .
I think I've found somewhere on Wolfson web that all Exynos driven boards have Wolfson DAC, but I'm not sure now.
Anyway, T235 according to official manual has 2 mics instead of 1mic as T230, maybe this is a hint for someone with better knowledge to answer that question?

T235 sounds amazing! (like Wolfson)
OK so I've just replaced T230 with T235 (lte version).
Sound quality in T235 is amazing compared to T230, the high frequencies are most noticeable difference between these models, in T235 sound is much more deep, overall ambiance of sound is far more detailed, bass is deep and smooth.
I mean its like orgasm to my ears so it is very likely that this actually is Wolfson DAC.
With T230 I felt like there's something missing in sound.
The Exynos processor is much more powerful, UI works far more fluid - I've tested with animated wallpaper (Lattern Festival) - T230 was laggy, UI was chopping when swiping through the screens, this does not happen with T235 it is butter smooth.
T235 also has 2 mics, and vibration.
There's no problem with microphone like the one I've faced using T230 - people were not able to hear me on hangouts when I've used headphones without mic included....
There was also bugs with sound on T230 related to audio output. The problem was that when notification arrived it triggered tablet speaker, so currently applied sound effects are not supported by speaker and were turned off. This does not happen with T235, seems like there's more audio channels or something like that.

Yes, The audio sounds fantastic, but I wish we could get root on this device.
Need to enable LTE bands 4 and 17 for us stateside users.

Understand you have the 235 but wondering if anyone can comment on the SM-T235 versis the T235Y (has the Snapdragon 600)? Wondering which is faster/snappier? Any display differences? (color etc) Thanks

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