I found this interesting....
The Turbo Charger works officially with the Moto X (2nd gen) and Nexus 6. It will work with the DROID TURBO as well, but that phone isn’t exactly official yet. The DROID TURBO and Nexus 6 should include a Turbo Charger in the box, whereas with the new Moto X, you will have to fork out $34.99 for one.
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http://www.droid-life.com/2014/10/16/video-testing-the-motorola-turbo-charger-with-a-moto-x
yup, says so in the leaked VZW training/marketing material that the charger is included in the box of the turbo...
it also mentions that charging speed (of the turbo charger) slows as the device reaches full charge...as it is intended to be used when the battery is near depletion..
of course the jury is still out on what effect the turbo charger will have on the performance/life expectancy of the battery if you choose to use the turbo charger as your normal charger...
Metfanant said:
yup, says so in the leaked VZW training/marketing material that the charger is included in the box of the turbo...
it also mentions that charging speed (of the turbo charger) slows as the device reaches full charge...as it is intended to be used when the battery is near depletion..
of course the jury is still out on what effect the turbo charger will have on the performance/life expectancy of the battery if you choose to use the turbo charger as your normal charger...
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Thanks, didn't see that info in the leaks.
Slowing charging as it nears full isn't all that bad. I've seen a lot of people arguing over whether it is bad for the phone and all that, but the reality is no one really knows. I can't imagine that they'd be providing only one charger, that will over time kill the battery on a device with a battery that is not accessible. I know the amount of time that people hold on to devices is getting shorter and shorter these days, but if it was really bad for the battery it would be a pretty terrible idea to encourage people to use it. Sure heat isn't great for batteries, but this is a brand new technology, so one might think that there is also equally new technology to help counteract that heat, or some other voodoo magic to make it work well.
I'm actually more excited for wireless charging. I have a Nexus 7 that supports it, but don't have any charging pads. I didn't really want to buy one just for the N7 because I don't use it nearly as much as my phone. But if I can have one pad for both, I'll get one for my desk at work and one for at home (probably the side table for when I'm watching TV or using my Chromebook in the living room). I know it would take forever to charge it to full, but I'd want it more for quick bumps during the day. If I'm sitting at my desk at work listening to Pandora on my phone, I usually plug in if I'm below 60% or so so that I can be sure I'll have enough juice for the rest of the day/evening. I use hotspot on the bus ride home for my N7, and that usually takes about 20% of my overall battery each way to/from work. If I could just plop it down and add even 4-5% throughout the day here and there, I'd be good. Although, with the monster battery in the Turbo, I don't know that it would really matter at that point.
Either way, I'm pretty much over the N6 based purely on size, and will almost certainly be getting the Turbo once a reliable (and fairly simple) root method has been found.
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Just for ****s and giggles. I decided to use my Turbo Charger on all Moto Devices. My Acer A-200 went from 20% to 100% in 30 minutes. I know The Acer is not Moto. Just saying. My Droid Turbo Went from 0% to 100% in Like 20 minutes. Did the same thing with my free tablet that Verizon added an xtra line to my bill which I did not know. The QMV7B which by the way I have already rooted. C'mon Turbo let's get our root on. But any hoot. The tab went from 10% to 100% also in 15 minutes. In theory does the Turbo pack work for all devices?
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Just for ****s and giggles. I decided to use my Turbo Charger on all Moto Devices. My Acer A-200 went from 20% to 100% in 30 minutes. I know The Acer is not Moto. Just saying. My Droid Turbo Went from 0% to 100% in Like 20 minutes. Did the same thing with my free tablet that Verizon added an xtra line to my bill which I did not know. The QMV7B which by the way I have already rooted. C'mon Turbo let's get our root on. But any hoot. The tab went from 10% to 100% also in 15 minutes. In theory does the Turbo pack work for all devices?
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I could be wrong, but the basic theory is you are shoving ALOT of amps down those batteries throats. The Droid Turbo battery is designed to handle this while the other devices...I dont know. My normal charger is 1A and I have a 2A charger in my car those devices are normally meant for Apple products. So mainly yeah the charger technically works and charges stuff fast, but it 'could' shorten the lifespan of your battery if it's not meant to handle that high a charge rate.
This is TERRIVKR!! DO NOT USA THE CHARGER ON OTHER PHONES. I WROTE a huge thing pm my phone about this. SwiftKey sucks ass on xda and idk why. Not correcting any of its mistakes (hit back button by accident and that erased what I originally wrote) . This is no new technology and it's just some bull money maker. It's terrible for batteries and can cause them toeexplod. It mmakes the turbo hot wwhen charging it..... You don't want that junk. I refuse to use this charger.
I had read the bundled charger will charge non quick charge 2.0 compatible devices at normal rates. Your tests are indicating otherwise.
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This is TERRIVKR!! DO NOT USA THE CHARGER ON OTHER PHONES. I WROTE a huge thing pm my phone about this. SwiftKey sucks ass on xda and idk why. Not correcting any of its mistakes (hit back button by accident and that erased what I originally wrote) . This is no new technology and it's just some bull money maker. It's terrible for batteries and can cause them toeexplod. It mmakes the turbo hot wwhen charging it..... You don't want that junk. I refuse to use this charger.
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The Turbo's battery is designed to charge fast, it's similar anode coating technology used in the battery banks of electric vehicles to give them a quick charge. All Li-Ion batteries have internal power management circuitry (PMIC) that are designed to charge that battery responsibly and prevent thermal runaway. That being said, I would not charge a device at a higher amperage than it is designed for, these PMICs are not infallible and thermal runaway can still occur. So to the OP: I would stick to using the charger that came with the respective device you are charging, a venting Li-Ion battery's gasses turns into hydrofluoric acid when it makes contact with water, ie the moisture in your throat and lungs. Not worth the hospital visit for ****s and giggles!
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I could be wrong, but the basic theory is you are shoving ALOT of amps down those batteries throats. The Droid Turbo battery is designed to handle this while the other devices...I dont know. My normal charger is 1A and I have a 2A charger in my car those devices are normally meant for Apple products. So mainly yeah the charger technically works and charges stuff fast, but it 'could' shorten the lifespan of your battery if it's not meant to handle that high a charge rate.
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The Turbo (or other Quick charge compatible chargers) DO NOT do their thing because of higher amperage, they use higher VOLTAGE the lower the battery's reported discharge. If you looks at the words printed on your charger you will see that it operates at three different voltages but always the same maximum amperage (1.4-1.6 amps) which is still lower than the amperage provided by newer Samsung chargers (2 amps). It starts high voltage then steps down as the battery fills. There is also circuitry in the charger itself that checks to see if a Qualcomm chipset is present that can handle the new charging logic.
Here is a list of devices and chargers that can "quick" charge https://www.qualcomm.com/news/snapdragon/2014/06/04/quick-charge-20-has-arrived. If it doesn't have Qualcomm snapdragon, the device will just use the charger as a normal 5v 1.6 amp charger.
And more quick charge info: http://www.androidauthority.com/quick-charge-explained-563838/
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I had read the bundled charger will charge non quick charge 2.0 compatible devices at normal rates. Your tests are indicating otherwise.
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You are correct, the bundled charger specifically states on the charging block the amperage that it will provide various devices. I charged my droid bionic with it, took normal time.
I have read about the turbo 2 chargers crapping out mine had been giving me issues. So I called Moto and they sent me a brand new in the box turbo 1 charger thats right folks. So I called them and said this is the turbo charger not the turbo 2. Well they don't have any turbo 2 chargers BS. So guess I'm stuck with this charger. My question is the turbo 2 charges at 24w and this one charges at 18w. Does it charge slower has anyone tested this or should I just not care or it is son negligible I wouldn't notice.
This happened to me as well, I haven't really noticed much of a difference. The charging time for the 18w isn't much slower than the 24w, but it is a little bit slower. Not a big deal though.
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This happened to me as well, I haven't really noticed much of a difference. The charging time for the 18w isn't much slower than the 24w, but it is a little bit slower. Not a big deal though.
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Well go figure verizon stepped up I called them and they said bring in the charger and they will replace with there 24 watt charger.
Verizon was cool in this case
Anyway, I don't like turbo charging. Shorts battery life.
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Zeljko1234 said:
Verizon was cool in this case
Anyway, I don't like turbo charging. Shorts battery life.
Sent from my XT1580
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I'll take my chances, don't see Motorola packing a charger with the phone that's gonna damage it.
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What proof do you have that's happening?
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It's just chemistry/physics (learned in high school) and practice. More information with tests, graphs, explanations... you may find here: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/ultra_fast_chargers.
I don't know, as long as it's not overheating the battery it shouldn't be really doing any damage. The UL did an extensive study on it and didn't find any issues with decreased battery life. I understand overheating them can shorten their life, the qualcomm tech used monitors the temps and adjusts accordingly. I think my phone gets hotter running GPS then it does turbo charging it. Time will tell I suppose..
Heat is main problem but not only one. Heat from GPS is coming from SoC and it's worse if is coming from the battery itself. Unfortunately battery cells are very sensitive. Electronics can help but not really avoid chemistry.
any idea how long does it take for u all to full charge on turbo?
i find it that i get turbo charge only when i switch the device off... is it like that for all of you?
I gave my phone back as I was getting very inconsistent readings...somtimes it does 20 to 80 % in 50 mins... sometimes it does like 30 to 55 in an hour.. which is very weird.. isnt it supposed to be consistent? and yes my phone hits temps of 45 Deg. Celsius..
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Verizon was cool in this case
Anyway, I don't like turbo charging. Shorts battery life.
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My friends bring that up about Quick Charge and shortening the life of the battery. But it's a moot point since I get a new phone at least once a year. I mean, it's not my problem at that point. Lol, that makes me sound like a total asshole.
You can donate you less than a year old phone to a dev
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As I am know a little bit about charging lithium batteries, I am very very certain that charging with 9 V and 2 A (18 W) will cause a lot of heat and reduce the lifetime of your battery. But this is exactly what happens on my G5 plus, when it is below 60 percent of battery capacity and plugged to a charger that is capable of 'high voltage' and 'ampere' charging. The manufacturers really don't care about that and would never ever admit it as this is totally compliant to their planned-obsolescence-and-throw-away-mentality, as well as to their make-my-customers-buy-a-new-phone-every-year-stance-as-we-will-demand-a-barefaced-price-for-changing-the-built-in-battery-or-find-some-other-way-(e.g.-via-software-updates)-to-make-the-customer-not-want-to-keep-their-old-phone-mentality. Ok: I have to admit that charging at 2 A is only something like 0.67 C (for a 3000 mAh battery) and within the 'recommended range' and far less harmful than charging with something like 1C or 1.5C, but charging at something like 0.3 C will still cause less harm to the battery.
Unfortunately, it is not what I want:
Quick Charge or Turbo Charge is great - I consider it an extremly useful feature, especially, when it happens that your phone was used heavily and the battery is almost drained and you have to charge your phone quickly, as you will need it very soon again, but: The most common case will be that my phone was drained during the day and remain at some state like 20 percent, when I want to go to bed. I absolutely don't need to quick charge it over night, as a moderate and lifetime-of-battery-preserving 0.5 A charge will also get the job done perfectly within 6 hours, until I will have to get up in the morning. I don't need to artificially age my batterie's lifetime every night, just for the reason that the phone will be fully charged at 2 a.m. instead of at 5 a. m. - so just for no reason at all.
Anyway: I don't want to have seperate chargers, as the only possibility I currently know, of not using quick charge, is to use an oldschool charger that can only support 5 V and 0.5 A (0.167C), and which will probably sooner or later not even be produced anymore.
So the questions are:
Is there a possibility to quickly and conveniently disable/enable quick/turbo charge of the G5 Plus via Android? (the best would be a button at the top of the screen, in the bar - as easy as switching wifi on/off).
Is this possible with and without root?
(I actually really ask myself if the drive for manufacturers of developing options such as quick charge was originally to provide a better user experience or if it was to increase their profits as a bricked battery is probably the most common reason for customers to buy a new phone, as everybody seems to want to avoid replacing or getting a battery replaced at any cost. Just my 2 cents.)
PS: You can read about quick battery charging, e.g. here: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/ultra_fast_chargers - but there are like a 100 of blogs.
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Is there any app that allows you to limit the charge current with root? This would do the best job, as I assume. One could then maybe charge using 12 V but only like 1 A (which is only 0.33 C, but still transfers 12 W of charge Power...). That would be awesome! Almost no harm for the battery, still a lot of charge speed.
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So the questions are:
Is there a possibility to quickly and conveniently disable/enable quick/turbo charge of the G5 Plus via Android? (the best would be a button at the top of the screen, in the bar - as easy as switching wifi on/off).
Is this possible with and without root?
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1. No
2. Maybe with root as it is controlled by the system
My phone does this pretty much unintentionally for me. The first time I plug it in to the charger it will charge normally. If I want quick charge I have to unplug the phone and plug it in a second time and then quick charge kicks in. It's kind of a hassle really.
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1. No
2. Maybe with root as it is controlled by the system
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Is there any app that allows you to limit the charge current with root? This would do the best job, as I assume. One could then probably charge using 12 V but only like 1 A (which is only 0.33 C charge-rate, but still transfers 12 W of charge Power...). That would be awesome! Almost no harm for the battery, still a lot of charge speed.
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Is there any app that allows you to limit the charge current with root? This would do the best job, as I assume. One could then probably charge using 12 V but only like 1 A (which is only 0.33 C charge-rate, but still transfers 12 W of charge Power...). That would be awesome! Almost no harm for the battery, still a lot of charge speed.
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I guess you need a custom kernel which exposes the value for charge current. I think normally the value is hidden from the system and therefore not accessible.
Or, you could just use a charger from another phone that doesn't feature fast-charging?
Maybe your last phone?
power, voltage, current and charge are not all similar...
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Or, you could just use a charger from another phone that doesn't feature fast-charging?
Maybe your last phone?
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I think I was totally wrong about the concept. Still it is not an option to have to use two different chargers occasionally ...
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The only solution is to use a less powerful charger. I do turbo charging only if I need it in the middle of the day and the 0.5A charger from my old Moto G at night. Full charge by the morning and the phone stays nice and cool.
Well... After coming home everybody probably starts their laptop or desktop, u can plug in the charging cable to the cpu usb or lappy usb and charge ur mobile. This way u solve ur problem..and it charges the phone "very" slowly.
Trust me, I do this everyday.
Enjoyyy!
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Warning to all those who have a Motorola. do not I repeat do not use another block with it it will actually overcharge the block and blow it out quite literally the Motorola overrides the blocks voltage protection. I've blown a two blocks up in 2 months and they were full blown Samsung blocks your normal 5-volt.I tried this to slow down the charging it actually does not slow it down in fact the block get stupidly hot and then blows out in a spectacular fashion.
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Warning to all those who have a Motorola. do not I repeat do not use another block with it it will actually overcharge the block and blow it out quite literally the Motorola overrides the blocks voltage protection. I've blown a two blocks up in 2 months and they were full blown Samsung blocks your normal 5-volt.I tried this to slow down the charging it actually does not slow it down in fact the block get stupidly hot and then blows out in a spectacular fashion.
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Do you mean the board will fried??? Or the battery will get damage.
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Warning to all those who have a Motorola. do not I repeat do not use another block with it it will actually overcharge the block and blow it out quite literally the Motorola overrides the blocks voltage protection. I've blown a two blocks up in 2 months and they were full blown Samsung blocks your normal 5-volt.I tried this to slow down the charging it actually does not slow it down in fact the block get stupidly hot and then blows out in a spectacular fashion.
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I'm using Motorola devices since a few years and I use every charger that's nearby, cheap or expensive, branded articles or no name stuff without any problems. I recommend to use the Turbocharger (just in case) in combination with something like Battery Charge Limit or Advanced Charging Controller but I never fried a charger and certainly not the devices hardware.
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Going from Nexus 6 to priv is something I'm finally considering now that the are worth the same amount. Wouldn't have been an option a year ago, but now that Verizon allows hotspot on unlimited it finally is. Only have three concerns: Is the screen big enough for watching videos for like an hour or two like the Nexus? Is the snapdragon 808 really laggy compared to the 805? (Been reading reviews stating that) Lastly, is the single front firing speaker loud enough?
Well I have received my BlackBerry PRIV and is it just me or is the charging take forever? Plus it is always hot to the touch and gives an overheating warning when downloading apps?
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Well I have received my BlackBerry PRIV and is it just me or is the charging take forever? Plus it is always hot to the touch and gives an overheating warning when downloading apps?
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The stock charger is about 1 amp, so its really takes a long time for the Priv's 3400 MAH battery. The best thing is to get a faster charger. Nice thing about the Priv and Nexus 6 it comes with wireless charging. But if you go that route be sure you DO get a fast wireless charger, like Qualcomm 2.0, or it will take FOREVER to charge.
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The stock charger is about 1 amp, so its really takes a long time for the Priv's 3400 MAH battery. The best thing is to get a faster charger. Nice thing about the Priv and Nexus 6 it comes with wireless charging. But if you go that route be sure you DO get a fast wireless charger, like Qualcomm 2.0, or it will take FOREVER to charge.
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I think I failed to mention this, but I was using the stock Motorola Nexus 6 charger that is quick charge compatible and still experienced slow charging times. It may partially be the slightly larger battery, but I think the real issue with charging was overheating. It got better once the phone stopped updating apps. Though speaking of overheating, I have to say, I haven't seen a phone sit out in the sun for 10 minutes and overheat to the point of being hot to the touch and disabling all network connections since my Droid razr m lol. At least it seems like the priv will make a nice handwarmer for the winter. (Maybe seeing a connection where there isn't one, but the razr m had a Kevlar back to it that had a similar feel to the priv, I wonder if those black rubbery materials are a poor choice for a phone due to heat issues?)
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I think I failed to mention this, but I was using the stock Motorola Nexus 6 charger that is quick charge compatible and still experienced slow charging times. It may partially be the slightly larger battery, but I think the real issue with charging was overheating. It got better once the phone stopped updating apps. Though speaking of overheating, I have to say, I haven't seen a phone sit out in the sun for 10 minutes and overheat to the point of being hot to the touch and disabling all network connections since my Droid razr m lol. At least it seems like the priv will make a nice handwarmer for the winter. (Maybe seeing a connection where there isn't one, but the razr m had a Kevlar back to it that had a similar feel to the priv, I wonder if those black rubbery materials are a poor choice for a phone due to heat issues?)
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I have a wireless Pleson Fast Charger. At first it took 20+ hours (probably longer than that, but I wasn't going to wait around) to charge from 30%. So it turn's out I wasn't using the right wall-wart (it seems most wireless chargers don't provide a wall unit, just a USB cable), and I was just using whatever I had on hand. Once I got a proper wallwart, I can go from 20% in about 3-4hrs. Heat is definitely an issue, especially with the Priv. I wish I can find that article and link it for you, but essentially it said its better for the Li-Ion battery to charge in short in bursts (like 10-30 minutes) rather than one long fell swoop (like over night charging) because of the heat. And heat is bad for a overall battery life cycle. I don't now about you, but I'm not looking forward to swapping out my battery. That one is going to be a major surgery
You're right that the Priv makes for a great hand-warmer, which is why its part of my EDC. Too bad I live in Arizona :/
I bought the moto G5 plus this week, and it came with a charger.. as soon as i plugged it it said thst it was charging with turbopower..
It's my first device to use this technology, and since motorola didn't gave me a normal charger.. is this going to kill my battery life, or it's better? I usually charge it up to a 100%.
Should i get a normal charger for it or it's fine with this one?
The short answer is not really. Batteries (and phones in general) don't particularly like being warm, and fast-charging will probably make your phone a little warmer than a slow charger, but quick-chargers are designed to be intelligent so as to only give your phone the power it can take, and there are plenty of other things you can do to extend the life of your battery.