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Finally! Motorola starts unlocking bootloader!

Motorola says they will make the bootloader of the razr unlockable! (The android phone, not the other one) Check out the link here.
For those of you who are too lazy to read the whole thing, I summarised the whole article.
1. Razr first phone to include the fully implemented lock/unlock bootloader software in it.
2.Once Motorola launched the razr in their global markets, they will have a list of the models that will be unlocked displayed on their motodev.com website.
3.Mobile operators/carriers can opt out to having this software on their phone
4.Verizon has opt out. (Doesn't affect me personally but still unhappy)
So now, pressure your carriers!!
Also, hopefully, moto will also unlock their other phones. (Not that we need it now)

That's the thing, carriers still want the BLs locked down.
Why is there such a struggle with Motorola, but not Samsung with this?...
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Is there a possibility that samsung has it easier because they pressure carriers themselves? Perhaps by having a variant of the Galaxy S2 on each carrier they can use that to their advantage. They just say "if you don't allow us to have an unlocked bootloader on your network then people will go to someone that will."
With phones like the Razr they can't cause it exclusive. I'm probably way off but it's just a thought.
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I hope they unlock all of their phones as I just bought myself an atrix 2 and can't wait to start flashing.
Guess for now I'll have to stick with playing with the old atrix.
The a2 is great but what phone couldn't be better.
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JohnnyDanger said:
Is there a possibility that samsung has it easier because they pressure carriers themselves? Perhaps by having a variant of the Galaxy S2 on each carrier they can use that to their advantage. They just say "if you don't allow us to have an unlocked bootloader on your network then people will go to someone that will."
With phones like the Razr they can't cause it exclusive. I'm probably way off but it's just a thought.
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Hmmm. Good point there. Also, the Droid name is owned by Verizon and not Motorola so thee do have quite little say in the matter. Hopefully the software from the global razr can be ported to the Verizon one.
donharden2002 said:
I hope they unlock all of their phones as I just bought myself an atrix 2 and can't wait to start flashing.
Guess for now I'll have to stick with playing with the old atrix.
The a2 is great but what phone couldn't be better.
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They did say they will start unlocking bootloaders late 2011, and seem to be keeping with the plan. They also say the razr will be the first phone to be unlocked, followed by other devices. So maybe early next year your wish will come true!

As was already said, the key here is that the carriers will have the option to opt out. Motorola could have given us an unlocked bootloader anytime they wanted on the Atrix, but were/are held back by carriers and their contracts. So in reality, not a damned thing is changing unless you choose to purchase a full price non-carrier specific phone in the future which will have this option.
I view this as purely marketing on Motorola's part, as they are offering up nothing that they haven't had the ability to provide at any other time previous to this announcement.

it should be policy to unlock bootloaders once they decide not to bring future updates. what do you guys think?
in my country they just passed a law where it is forbidden to lock phones to carriers; if you have a locked phone, you can just bring it to the carrier you want to use and they have to unlock it for free.
imagine if motorla announced no ICS for atrix, then i could just bring it to an at&t tech service and demand they unlock BL for free and without worrying about bricking my phone.

sanriver12 said:
it should be policy to unlock bootloaders once they decide not to bring future updates. what do you guys think?
in my country they just passed a law where it is forbidden to lock phones to carriers; if you have a locked phone, you can just bring it to the carrier you want to use and they have to unlock it for free.
imagine if motorla announced no ICS for atrix, then i could just bring it to an at&t tech service and demand they unlock BL for free and without worrying about bricking my phone.
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You're thinking of SIM Lock and not bootloader unlock. They are 2 completely separate things.

i know the difference
what i was trying to say is that it would be cool if there was a law such the one i described, that applied to locked bootloaders.

Base Blue Chronic 4
I just installed the Home Base Blue Chronic 4 and I have to say its fantastic...
I noticed that there is an update to 6.2 but it says its tailored for version 5??
Am I safe in installing it? I did not see a blue chronic version 5 to download...
Thank you

I wish they would just unlock everything and not give the carriers the option. One can dream...
argo1a said:
I just installed the Home Base Blue Chronic 4 and I have to say its fantastic...
I noticed that there is an update to 6.2 but it says its tailored for version 5??
Am I safe in installing it? I did not see a blue chronic version 5 to download...
Thank you
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WTF are you talking about? Maybe try posting that in the Home Base thread....

Petition: Allow GSM Unlocked Variant - BL Unlock w/o Voiding Warranty

Hey all,
I created this petition to urge Moto and Google to incorporate the Unlocked GSM Variant (TMO) into the Developer Edition policy and allow the warranty to remain intact when unlocking bootloader.
Reasons:
1. Device is sold Unbranded
2. Device is sold with Unlocked Radio
3. Device is sold at Full Cost (no subsidy from Carrier / No Contract)
4. Cost is the same as Developer Edition ($549 for 32gb)
5. Developer Edition comes in one color - including Unlocked GSM Variant will allow Devs to use MotoMaker to customize their device and enjoy benefits of Developer Edition.
I figured that XDA is the best place to get some momentum to this petition and get it in front of the eyes of Moto and Google.
Please sign and share:
http://www.change.org/petitions/mot...-do-not-void-warranty-upon-bootloader-unlock?

Signed
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byt3b0mb said:
Hey all,
I created this petition to urge Moto and Google to incorporate the Unlocked GSM Variant (TMO) into the Developer Edition policy and allow the warranty to remain intact when unlocking bootloader.
Reasons:
1. Device is sold Unbranded
2. Device is sold with Unlocked Radio
3. Device is sold at Full Cost (no subsidy from Carrier / No Contract)
4. Cost is the same as Developer Edition ($549 for 32gb)
5. Developer Edition comes in one color - including Unlocked GSM Variant will allow Devs to use MotoMaker to customize their device and enjoy benefits of Developer Edition.
I figured that XDA is the best place to get some momentum to this petition and get it in front of the eyes of Moto and Google.
Please sign and share:
http://www.change.org/petitions/mot...-do-not-void-warranty-upon-bootloader-unlock?
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I think you would have a much better chance if you created a petition to include the Dev Edition in the Moto Maker process. BL unlock voids warranty if it comes tied to a carrier. Simple as that. I dont think Motorola has the sole say in the matter. People would be rushing to the T-Mobile store for warranty replacements if they mess up their unlocked BL phones. Not something a carrier would want to deal with.

anirudh412 said:
I think you would have a much better chance if you created a petition to include the Dev Edition in the Moto Maker process. BL unlock voids warranty if it comes tied to a carrier. Simple as that. I dont think Motorola has the sole say in the matter. People would be rushing to the T-Mobile store for warranty replacements if they mess up their unlocked BL phones. Not something a carrier would want to deal with.
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This device is not sold by t-mobile in stores, and is not supported for exchange or warranty purposes by t-mobile. t-mobile directs owners to motorola. That is why the petition is for Motorola.

charlie-n said:
Signed
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Thank you!!!

signed.

buschris said:
signed.
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Thanks!!

anirudh412 said:
I think you would have a much better chance if you created a petition to include the Dev Edition in the Moto Maker process. BL unlock voids warranty if it comes tied to a carrier. Simple as that. I dont think Motorola has the sole say in the matter. People would be rushing to the T-Mobile store for warranty replacements if they mess up their unlocked BL phones. Not something a carrier would want to deal with.
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I think you're right. Possibly the engraving (or whatever the process is) would be an unchangeable "Developer Edition", Luke what comes on the DE models now.
I think the same should apply any full price device purchased directly from Motorola. If the carrier didn't sell or subsidize it, they should be under no obligation to provide warranty support, and should have no say in whether unlocking the boot loader voids the warranty.
I'm signing the petition - I'd much rather have my DE in black, though I have no intention of buying another one just to change color.
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The lack of warranty acts as a paygate to prevent inexperienced users from claiming. If you were of the experienced type, you would have gotten a DE phone. The best compromise here is a customizable DE phone such that people like us doesn't have to make the choice between Motomaker with 16GB option or the DE phone. I would support the latter initiative.

alpha-niner64 said:
The lack of warranty acts as a paygate to prevent inexperienced users from claiming. If you were of the experienced type, you would have gotten a DE phone. The best compromise here is a customizable DE phone such that people like us doesn't have to make the choice between Motomaker with 16GB option or the DE phone. I would support the latter initiative.
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you can get a 32gb (which is what i got) through motomaker unlike the carrier branded ones. Also, since the unlocked GSM edition is already part of motomaker, it would be easier for motorola to update the policy, rather than recode motomaker to include de devices. not that i am going to trade what i purchased, but I would buy a de version if i could change the colors. If i were to buy a de and change the colors right now, i would be voiding the warranty because i would have to disassemble my device and swap out parts.
just makes sense to me, hence why i started the petition

I agree tho.... A petition here isn't going to be seen. Don't they have any forums?
Also... Phone makers are probably tired of rooting/flashing related warranty claims.... So their putting their feet down.
Plus... They aren't going to care about us "tinkerers".... We're an extremely small percentage of their customers.
Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone.....

I signed it although I doubt we can get them to change anything mostly because of the custom nature of the motomaker.
It unfortunately makes sense that they can't support warranties for phones that are as custom as the motomaker allows.
I don't think they're against us unlocking our BLs, they just can't afford to replace our custom colored phones.
I doubt its a tmobile thing because as was mentioned, tmobile doesn't support the phone anyway, they just send you to moto.
They provided us with the DE and made it as colorful as possible without loosing appeal (a pink and green DE would have probably not sold...)
I wanted a custom moto x because I believe in the phone and the work moto + G has done to provide users with real features that actually meet our day to day needs (as opposed to some manufacturers who smoother users with "useful" features). Non-tinkerers recognize the colorful phone and ask me about it because its customizability is so heavily marketed. This sparks conversations that I enjoy having about technology actually being useful and not a barrier or a feature-laden learning curve.
What I would really like to see are stats on how many people return phones from messing up their BLs? How many galaxy nexus' and nexus 4s were returned bricked? While I see where they're coming from, it seems like they missed hitting the nail on the head, and are unfairly punishing those who do the majority of their mouth2mouth marketing. I don't want to speak for everyone here but I know when my friends are looking to buy a new phone they ask me what I think and recommend. My guess is that if the sales earned from the tinkerers word of mouth was accounted for in their business model they would perhaps consider this petition.

I signed. I would have bought the DE version, if the Today Show $150 worked on it.
Doesn't matter to me either way, but would be nice to fully back their hardware regardless.

cliffr39 said:
I signed. I would have bought the DE version, if the Today Show $150 worked on it.
Doesn't matter to me either way, but would be nice to fully back their hardware regardless.
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Signed as well. Would've bought a dev edition if the cyber Monday discount would've applied to it. I feel that if I buy a phone that is not subsidized by the carrier I should do whatever I want with it because I paid for it in full and that means that's mine. If I mess up my phone it's on me and not them.

Signed!

Guys, I'm sorry to rain on your parade, but this will never happen. They barely made it possible for Dev Editions warranties to remain intact after unlocking the bootloader. That wasn't a start of a movement, that was the whole not-making-sense deal of calling a phone a developer edition, but not being able to do any development on it if you want a warranty. And I know the board of execs at Motorola probably spent weeks weighing the pros and cons of doing that. They must have figured that being able to advertise that decision is a bigger PR advantage than the money lost by replacing the bricked devices that were a cause of that decision. Heck, even the Nexus line has their warranties voided by unlocking the bootloader.
The whole reason unlocking bootloaders voids warranties, is because after unlocking, you can flash files not signed by the manufacturer. As in, any file anyone, experienced or not, with good intentions or not, of any general technology experience, has put together. You can run commands from the prompt that will literally brick your phone in 1 second. Can you see why the Moto X Dev Edition is the only phone (that I've heard of) to make it OK to unlock the bootloader? You could purposely flash a malicious image, brick your phone, then request an RMA, just because you feel like it. I'm not saying that anyone here would do that, but look at this from their point of view. If you open the doors, people will walk through.
Look at this at a wider angle. What personal electronics device other than the Dev Edition Moto X is it A-OK to unlock the bootloader? Virtually nothing. It just doesn't make business sense to allow everyday, John Doe users to execute mission-critical commands and have your business responsible when John Doe flashes a kernel for another device because he apparently can't read. Or run a command that someone on the Internet said was OK to run, because hey, who would go on the Internet and just lie? I'm sorry guys, but we need to thank our lucky stars that even the Dev Edition got that capability. That Motorola decided the PR gained was worth the money lost replacing units.

doesn't the DE already have the bootloader unlocked? And there are many phones that already have unlocked bootloaders, I wonder seriously how many have been bricked so bad that they needed to be replaced? There has to be a way to recover these phones regardless.

buschris said:
doesn't the DE already have the bootloader unlocked? And there are many phones that already have unlocked bootloaders, I wonder seriously how many have been bricked so bad that they needed to be replaced? There has to be a way to recover these phones regardless.
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Probably not allot of returns from bricking... Considering "rooters" are a tiny fraction of overall consumers.... But, they know us small percentage root... And they don't want to replace a single phone because we messed it up.... that's my guess. I saw plenty of posts in the t989 S2 forum from guys planning to send in rooted phones. They figure if it won't boot... How will Samsung know the difference. The phone makers know this too. So making us unlock on their website is smart, cause they know for sure who unlocked.... Weather they can boot our RMA'd phone or not.
I'm OK with this... Yes, I voided my warranty on day one. It's not just phone companies that don't want to replace tampered with products.... Almost anything you buy now has a warning about warranty being void if you do or don't do this or that. Electronics of any kind usually have a sticker, or whatever, that if you disrupt by trying to open the device up.... Boom. No warranty anymore. Even the tags on clothing.... They're itchy, but if you remove them... Warranty void.
Almost anything really... If they know you tampered with it in any way... Warranty void. Why would phones be any different?
Even if very few people tamper.... They still don't want to give up a single dollar if they don't have to. Lol
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really just changing the software should not be a warranty breaker - the OEMs have tools to low level flash any device back to the stock software and even hard bricks can be repaired. The OEMs should honor the hardware. That is the point of this petition - honor the hardware. unlocking the bootloader and rooting a device has no impact on the hardware. I am not asking that they accept all devices that are broken by the user by doing something stupid, but rather allowing folks to flash a custom recovery and take charge of their device.
are there any computers that have their warranty voided when you remove windows and install linux or vice versa? NO because that is a software change. If the hardware fails then that is something the OEM should cover.

byt3b0mb said:
really just changing the software should not be a warranty breaker - the OEMs have tools to low level flash any device back to the stock software and even hard bricks can be repaired. The OEMs should honor the hardware. That is the point of this petition - honor the hardware. unlocking the bootloader and rooting a device has no impact on the hardware. I am not asking that they accept all devices that are broken by the user by doing something stupid, but rather allowing folks to flash a custom recovery and take charge of their device.
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First, I'm not 100% sure that OEMs have the ability to save hard-bricks. Hard-bricks are the bootloader being corrupt. The bootloader, being the first thing to even load into memory, from which everything else gets loaded into memory, is vital to the bootstrapping process. Think of it like your BIOS on your computer. If you BIOS goes corrupt, you basically either replace the BIOS chip, Mobo, or in super-rare cases, find someone somewhere with the tools, expertise, and ability to flash that specific BIOS to that specific chip even though it's corrupt. I suppose it's possible that the OEMs have those tools to do it. I'm not saying that do, but I'll give you that it's possible. Even if they do, it probably wouldn't be worth the time and effort though.
Second, unlocking the bootloader isn't just giving the ability to flash to the recovery partition, or even to the /system/ partition. It's removing the entire signature check which checks if the package you are trying to flash has a unique signature that comes from the OEM. Unlocking the bootloader basically opens every single command up for anyone besides the OEM to use. It really is as serious as they warn about in the screen asking if you're sure. Now, since communities like XDA exist where you can basically get walked through how to do most anything, and where 1-click toolkits to do very very dangerous stuff exist, it's fairly safe to have your bootloader unlocked. But as an electronics manufacturer, you need to assume the user won't take advantage of tools like XDA. I'm a software engineer and one of the fundamental rules of thumb is "if the user can break it, they will".
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byt3b0mb said:
are there any computers that have their warranty voided when you remove windows and install linux or vice versa? NO because that is a software change.
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I think you'd be surprised. Have you ever tried to get anything replaced under warranty, then telling the customer support you installed Linux on your box? I mean, you may or may not actually get your warranty honored, and if you do, it will be after a few hours on the phone, getting bounced around, escalated, redirected, on hold, checking with this other guy, etc. before they finally figure it's eligible. We're of course talking about pre-built PCs, to make this analogy fit.
Look, I mean no disrespect or negativity toward you. I'm simply saying that it's pretty much industry standard to void warranties when unlocking the bootloader in any electronics, and as bad as this next part sounds, it's for good reason. If you start preserving warranties through bootloader unlocking on more widely-used or mainstream electronics, then more and more people who shouldn't be tinkering will. Your brick rate, and thus number of replacement units sent out, will go up, and the prices of your electronics will go up to make up for loss. It's good to have warranties preserved through the bootloader unlocking process on niche "developer edition" units because it covers that small percentage of users who want that option, but still bars people who wouldn't mind having that perk, but aren't willing to make the sacrifices necessary to have it. This ultimately makes it so the people who got the "developer edition" of your phone most likely enthusiasts or developers, who know what they're doing, and their brick-rate is probably pretty low.

Moto X Play updates in Canada

In Canada, the Moto X Play will be sold exclusively through carriers, locked.
I know it won't really be a problem to have them unlocked, but my concern it with updates.
If I understand correctly, the updates will have to go through the carriers. Coming from a Nexus device, I'm worried that it can cause delays to the updates...
Am I right to be concerned, or will there be ways to bypass to carriers to get faster updates?
Thanks.

clgoh42 said:
In Canada, the Moto X Play will be sold exclusively through carriers, locked.
I know it won't really be a problem to have them unlocked, but my concern it with updates.
If I understand correctly, the updates will have to go through the carriers. Coming from a Nexus device, I'm worried that it can cause delays to the updates...
Am I right to be concerned, or will there be ways to bypass to carriers to get faster updates?
Thanks.
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You can always update manually, no worries about that, go ahead.

Dude, you're buying an android, not an iPhone. You control the updates you want.
1. Root
2. Flash Recovery
3. Get whatever ROM you want with whatever updates you want.
You're not at the mercy of Google or Carriers. The Devs here got your back.

if you don't root the phone, then you'll have to wait for the carriers to push the updates. You are right the only way to get a Play in Canada is through the Carriers, and they are locked to that specific Carrier. I played with one yesterday, it's definitely locked to the selling Carrier, and the boot loader version matches said carrier.

convolution said:
Dude, you're buying an android, not an iPhone. You control the updates you want.
1. Root
2. Flash Recovery
3. Get whatever ROM you want with whatever updates you want.
You're not at the mercy of Google or Carriers. The Devs here got your back.
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... And void the warranty; though this is XDA, so we generally say "what warranty?"

Devhux said:
... And void the warranty; though this is XDA, so we generally say "what warranty?"
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but if you need the warranty back, just unroot right?

convolution said:
but if you need the warranty back, just unroot right?
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Unroot, relock the bootloader if you can, and hopefully that's it. Never owned a Moto smartphone so I don't really know how these devices notify of modifications.

Don't you have to input a code generated from your IMEI to do the bootloader unlock on Moto phones? Wouldn't that result in your phone being flagged as unlocked by Motorola even if you are somehow able to completely undo everything you did to the phone because your IMEI/Serial was used to generate a bootloader unlock code?

Verizon US Phones

Good evening. I'm in the process of looking to trade in my Samsung Galaxy S6 - SM-G920V for something that I can put Lineage OS on, but I seem to be striking out. For months I've tried to install it on my S6 but I can never 'root' the phone to start the process. So before spending $$ on a phone I can't put a CFW on, I thought I'd ask the experts here. Any suggestions would be great or success posts on Verizon phones. Also if anyone knows a way to install it on my S6 I will not only give them 1 cookie but 2 !!!! what a deal!!!! .. thanks in advance...

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Good evening. I'm in the process of looking to trade in my Samsung Galaxy S6 - SM-G920V for something that I can put Lineage OS on, but I seem to be striking out. For months I've tried to install it on my S6 but I can never 'root' the phone to start the process. So before spending $$ on a phone I can't put a CFW on, I thought I'd ask the experts here. Any suggestions would be great or success posts on Verizon phones. Also if anyone knows a way to install it on my S6 I will not only give them 1 cookie but 2 !!!! what a deal!!!! .. thanks in advance...
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I don't have this device but, your best bet is to post this question within the following thread.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3110220
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I have the same issue and have posted about it before here.
It's very hard to find modern rom'able/root'able Verizon-compatible devices that will run LineageOS. But the way XDA is organized it's nearly impossible to post carrier-specific questions like this because everything is device-based.
I thought I had found a good option in the supported LG V20 (US995 variant), but in doing a bit more reading before buying one I found that the popular "dirty santa" root exploit no longer works on recent OS builds and once those builds are on a device they can't be rolled back.
So I started looking at the HTC 10, but there are apparently challenges with that device on Verizon too, and may not be able to get LOS to work on it either.
I don't look forward to spending several hundred $USD on a device only to find I can't put the ROM I want on it....

Tyvm everyone for the replies. Like most ppl I don't have hundreds of dollars for an unlocked phone so ill probably end up in another contract. Again tks again.

Verizon loves locking every phone bootloader without possibility of unlocking it, get an unlocked device (used or new) and if possible switch from Verizon to another carrier.
AT&T blocks the possibility of unlocking bootloader on their phones, but are GSM and almost every international phone work.
T-Mobile not blocks the possibility on their phones, but some manufacturers like Samsung and LG blocks the possibility of unlocking bootloader on carrier phones, but are GSM and almost every international phone work.
Verizon blocks the possibility of unlocking bootloader on their phones, but are CDMA and only some unlocked phones work on Verizon with unlockable bootloader (little more phones than Sprint but much less phones than AT&T and T-Mobile).
Sprint not blocks the possibility on their phones, but some manufacturers like Samsung and LG blocks the possibility of unlocking bootloader on carrier phones, but are CDMA and only some unlocked phones work on Sprint with unlockable bootloader (little less phones than Verizon and much less phones than AT&T and T-Mobile).

Samsung Galaxy S5
Samsung Galaxy Note 3
These are older, but still very relevant phones that can be unlocked if you get the right version. The eMMC CID has to begin with 15 to be able to completely unlock the phone. With the S5 I've polling the forum, but it looks like there's a date or revision code on the IMEI sticker under the battery. Code 14.08 and lower are CID 15. Anything higher is CID 11. Can't definitively prove it yet, but so far the results coincide.

[PETITION] Unlock Bootloader SM-N950U !

All of us Snapdragon Note 8 users know it's a long shot, but it's worth the try... Let your voice be heard and Samsung to surrender! Please take a minute to vote, all is appreciated!
https://www.change.org/p/samsung-un...m_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=share_petition

**UPDATE**
We're now over 100 signatures in! Thanks to all who have signed already! If you haven't already, a minute of your time would greatly be appreciated to sign the petition. Thanks to all Note 8 users!

I'm not a note 8 user but I know the frustration of not being able to unlock the fullness of a thousand dollar device. It's complete bull crap that Samsung will not allow it's users to modify there devices the way the consumers want. I think if we own a device then we should be allowed to void the damn warranty if we choose!!
That's why one of the best Sammy devs gave up Adam Outler was the man when it came to unlocking Sammie's bootloader's. I would love to see him try to crack this behemoth. Just imagine if Samsung would allow us to unlock the bootloader's just imagine how many more people would start buying Samsung smart phones again..Not to say Samsung needs more money but Samsung devices would take over the world. Just my opinion of course. Whats the reason for Samsung not allowing it's users to unlock?
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Super_SU01 said:
Just imagine if Samsung would allow us to unlock the bootloader's just imagine how many more people would start buying Samsung smart phones again..Not to say Samsung needs more money but Samsung devices would take over the world. Just my opinion of course. Whats the reason for Samsung not allowing it's users to unlock?
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I signed the petition, but there's no way it will happen. We represent a fraction of a fraction of their customers. The difference in sales wouldn't even be noticed.
Locked down devices are demanded by many corporate clients and absolutely by government ones. My company alone equips approximately 5000 employees in the US alone with mobile devices and they wouldn't even look at devices that weren't completely locked down. And we're only one of many. I can't blame Sammie for doing what they do, but for the rest of us there are the geniuses that believe we should have access and that's why we're here.
A bounty would have a better chance of success. If I recall the VZW Note 4 bounty was close to $20k by the time it was finally unlocked. When it came out everyone thought for sure that its bootloader would never be unlocked too.

Dan Miller said:
I signed the petition, but there's no way it will happen. We represent a fraction of a fraction of their customers. The difference in sales wouldn't even be noticed.
Locked down devices are demanded by many corporate clients and absolutely by government ones. My company alone equips approximately 5000 employees in the US alone with mobile devices and they wouldn't even look at devices that weren't completely locked down. And we're only one of many. I can't b, America Sammie for doing what they do, but for the rest of us there are the geniuses that believe we should have access and that's why we're here.
A bounty would have a better chance of success. If I recall the VZW Note 4 bounty was close to $20k by the time it was finally unlocked. When it came out everyone thought for sure that its bootloader would never be unlocked too.
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Yes sir, I agree with everything you said. Look how long it took for the note 4 bootloader to get cracked. I got some really good news today about the snapdragon s8+. Apparently it's been out for about 3 days or so, but I have now on my device none other than Safestrap recovery, but it is limited to Nougant for now and I'm stoked. SS is a workaround just like on the note 3 and I'm happy with that. Now we can chill out a little and wait and be patient and maybe in the next year or 2 the BL can be unlocked. Did anyone end up getting the 20k bounty for unlocking the N4 BL?

Isn't it Verizon that's locked Bootloaders? Or Samsung also? But yeah, the Supreme court, a few years ago ruled an end user should be allowed to modify a device they own, with the knowledge that they're breaking the Warranty. I guess they left a loophole that allows companies to save us from ourselves

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Isn't it Verizon that's locked Bootloaders? Or Samsung also? But yeah, the Supreme court, a few years ago ruled an end user should be allowed to modify a device they own, with the knowledge that they're breaking the Warranty. I guess they left a loophole that allows companies to save us from ourselves
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You don't blanket void the warranty by modifying the device. You void the warranty as far as the modifications you made, but it's against the law for a manufacturer to say, "Your screen is dead, but you unlocked your phone 6 months ago, so we won't honor the warranty on the screen which has nothing to do with an unlocked bootloader."

Lol

LMFAO. Another one of these threads.