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SD, RAM, NAND Installation

hi all,
what is difference and benefit between RAM, SD, NAND installation ?
please leave your feedback and experience here..
James

Well here is a quick run down. I use a SD build myself.
Ok Andriod from SD card and RAM is kind of one in the same. You have to copy both versions to your SD card and run CLRCAD and HARET to boot them. But the SD builds run strickly from the SD card, were as the RAM versions place certain vitaile parts of the Android system in the RAM of your phone the first time you boot it, there for taking a little less time to boot but to be honest I don't think there is much difference between them as far as speed and usability. They both also have little hiccups with every build, but nothing that can not be lived with though,I mean after all we all have had to tolerate Windows Mobile Also this is the safest method to run Andriod on hour HD2.
Now NAND is a whole nother ball game. A NAND Andriod Rom will wipe Windows Mobile from your phone. This will let it boot straight into Andriod just like it if it would have came on the phone. They say everything works on the NAND builds and that they are super fast. But NAND takes a lot more time to install and to research before installing. You have a process of having to install HSPL 2.08, MAGLDR 1.13, and then flash your Andriod ROM.
A lot of people love NAND and say they will never go back. But others (like myself) like the SD/RAM builds cause it allows you to dual boot wich is awsome. Hope this helps

Just please read the sticky treats. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=931192 and http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905841
Both at the first post in the treats

Just to add that ram is no longer synonimous with SD builds, many nand builds load parts into ram at boot. The benefits being a somewhat improved load time for apps, but as in post 2 that's fairly negligable, but what does help is that the framework is in ram too so you tend to get smoother menus,transitions and such.
ram isn't a build type in the way nand and SD are, you choose SD or nand, then with ramdisk tweaks or without. Some ram builds go all the way and load everything into ram, some just a few key parts.but they all start on SD or nand.

T-Macgnolia said:
Well here is a quick run down. I use a SD build myself.
But NAND takes a lot more time to install and to research before installing. You have a process of having to install HSPL 2.08, MAGLDR 1.13, and then flash your Andriod ROM.
A lot of people love NAND and say they will never go back. But others (like myself) like the SD/RAM builds cause it allows you to dual boot wich is awsome. Hope this helps
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hi T-Macgnolia,
That is what I worry about... I afraid that i do the wrong thing with NAND and make my htc hd2 became to bricked stone... he he he....
That why i still in SD version, but SD build of htc hd2 alway problem with camera or CamCorder also better also.
Mine is HTC HD Tombile Leo 1024mb running the [18.11.10]|MDJ FroYo Sense Clean v. 2.4 [kernel: MDJ S6.1]
it always problem with battery and camcorder.
James

jame_2d said:
hi T-Macgnolia,
That is what I worry about... I afraid that i do the wrong thing with NAND and make my htc hd2 became to bricked stone... he he he....
That why i still in SD version, but SD build of htc hd2 alway problem with camera or CamCorder also better also.
Mine is HTC HD Tombile Leo 1024mb running the [18.11.10]|MDJ FroYo Sense Clean v. 2.4 [kernel: MDJ S6.1]
it always problem with battery and camcorder.
James
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I understand your fear of bricking your HD2. With the T-Mobile HD2 you have to make sure you do not flash a wrong radio to it. The T-Mobile HD2 is not like the EU HD2 you can not flash just any ole radio to it. A wrong radio flash on a TMOUS HD2 (T-Mobile HD2) will end in a bricked phone everytime. This is a simple way to tell if the radio you want to flash are the radio in a ROM is compatible radio for your TMOUS HD2.
If it has a 50 in the third set of numbers it is a TMOUS radio. Example: 2.15.50.14 notice the 50
If it has a 51 in the third set of numbers it is not a TMOUS radio.
The only exeptions to this rule are radios like this 2.04.50.xx or 2.05.50.xx they will brick your HD2.
Other then that just make sure you have at least 50% battery charge befor you start a flash and that once you start a flash do not so much as touch you HD2 or let the USB cable become disconnected some how as this might result in a bricked phone too.
Hope this helps you out.

jame_2d said:
hi T-Macgnolia,
That is what I worry about... I afraid that i do the wrong thing with NAND and make my htc hd2 became to bricked stone... he he he....
That why i still in SD version, but SD build of htc hd2 alway problem with camera or CamCorder also better also.
Mine is HTC HD Tombile Leo 1024mb running the [18.11.10]|MDJ FroYo Sense Clean v. 2.4 [kernel: MDJ S6.1]
it always problem with battery and camcorder.
James
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That's a pretty old android build you're using, there... that may be why you're having problems with camera. This have progressed quickly with android... newer SD builds work great and have performance and battery life about the same as NAND builds. Try using a newer build... it will probably work a LOT better.

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zarathustrax said:
That's a pretty old android build you're using, there... that may be why you're having problems with camera. This have progressed quickly with android... newer SD builds work great and have performance and battery life about the same as NAND builds. Try using a newer build... it will probably work a LOT better.
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hi all friends,
Would you please recommend the good build of SD of T-Mobile HD2 that working
with Real 5MP of camera and Real Camcorder ?
Please feedback me ..
James

HD2 LEO (EU) & Sense 3 ROMS -- (Nand vs SD)

I wonder how you people are managing a Sense 3 ROM on the HD2 LEO (EU)...
I flashed a couple of the available Nand Sense 3 ROMs here and all of them were really heavy, I was totally uncomfortable with my HD2, too slow, many glitches, laggy and sometimes hanging :S so impossible for a daily use although Sense 3 is simply tempting ...
To my surprise, I gave a try to a SD Sense 3 ROM (MccMBoxmaX_GS_V_6.5__3D_carousel_effect) and the results were totally incomparable to the Nand Sense 3 version that I've tried..
The question is I don't prefer to use SD ROMs on my HD2 (having to boot Windows first...); so will SD Sense 3 ROMs technically (with their bulky size) be more reliable and faster than similar Nand ROMs or something must have gone wrong with my previous Nand Sense 3 flashing?

something proably with your setup
i have been using sense 3 fora while now and dont see any slowdowns, they are fast and have no issues apart from the known issues of gra[phics glitches and camcorder not working

Richy99 said:
something proably with your setup
i have been using sense 3 fora while now and dont see any slowdowns, they are fast and have no issues apart from the known issues of gra[phics glitches and camcorder not working
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which sense 3 are you using mate ?

the main 2 ive used are
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1075703
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1100707
but i also used sbyrans now discontinued rom
i currently running the rcmix 1.8 but am about to flash dungs kingdom rom

- Do u have LEO (512) or TMOUS (1024) ?
- How do u partition / prepare your SD card for a Sense 3 NAND ROM? isn't it 1024MB with 0M Swap through MAGLDR ?
- What about your system partition and cash size ? Do you use HD2 Android Nand Toolkit or similars ?
- Do you use cLK or MAGLDR ?
- Is there a clear tutorial how to flash a Sense 3 Nand rom around ? I have no problem with other Nand (non sense 3) roms... like HyperDroid CM7, HyperDroid-GBX, NexusHD2 Gingerbread... BUT unfortunately each has its own set of bugs that made me drop them...
So far my experience with Sense 3 roms is: slowness, lagging, frequent FC (specially during booting).. how are you guys overcoming or surviving with this?

And also, you dont need winmo to run Android from the sd.
SD Android can be run through Magldr directly

You may wanna give this a try...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1124757
Fastest, less bugs, no lagging, no FCs, read the user feedback in thread.

Nakkoush said:
- Do u have LEO (512) or TMOUS (1024) ?
- How do u partition / prepare your SD card for a Sense 3 NAND ROM? isn't it 1024MB with 0M Swap through MAGLDR ?
- What about your system partition and cash size ? Do you use HD2 Android Nand Toolkit or similars ?
- Do you use cLK or MAGLDR ?
- Is there a clear tutorial how to flash a Sense 3 Nand rom around ? I have no problem with other Nand (non sense 3) roms... like HyperDroid CM7, HyperDroid-GBX, NexusHD2 Gingerbread... BUT unfortunately each has its own set of bugs that made me drop them...
So far my experience with Sense 3 roms is: slowness, lagging, frequent FC (specially during booting).. how are you guys overcoming or surviving with this?
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yes it is a eu leo
ive had 1 gb ext partition since inception of it being used
i use clk
there is no difference flashing the a sense 3 rom to another other using CWM
providing you wipe the partion and data before flashing you shouldnt get any FC
to be honest all the information you need to flash is in the rom creators post, if you are unsure of how to partition etc or flash then i suggest reading all the information thats available

i have a question: whats better, flashing from NAND or SD?
and why?

Richy99 said:
the main 2 ive used are
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1075703
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1100707
but i also used sbyrans now discontinued rom
i currently running the rcmix 1.8 but am about to flash dungs kingdom rom
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OMG ! ! !
Tested LeoRCMix S v.1.8 and simply absolutely fantastic.......... miles better than the ones that I've tested before
Thank you all... I was about selling my HD2

Strychnin said:
You may wanna give this a try...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1124757
Fastest, less bugs, no lagging, no FCs, read the user feedback in thread.
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Sense of Eclipse 1.0.0.1 looks interesting and promising and will be the next to try ! thanks mate...

any final result on which is the best sense3 rom??
i am also thinkin on changing from typhoon cm7 rom to a sense3 one

[Q] Best Nand rom for HD2 with sense to you

Hello all
I ve tested some releases on sd card, those drain all my battery, so i ve decided to go a nand rom.
But i need a clean release without any tweak (exept those for hd2) with SENSE.
And really simple to instal (win .exe maybe)?
Which release can you recommend to me?
TIA
(I have an eurpean one)

Energy Desire HD is the best nand rom with sense go to this link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=733649

Thx a lot, i saw it but wasn't sure
But is there any sd version so as i can test it before??

DJEYHD2 said:
Thx a lot, i saw it but wasn't sure
But is there any sd version so as i can test it before??
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There are loads of SD Sense ROMs? Just look for pretty much anything by MCCM or BoxMax, you can find Sense 3.0, 2.0, 2.1 and 3.5. I would recommend Sense 2.0 as the best (Froyo), it's almost as fast and stable as the average CM7/MIUI/AOSP ROM.

i would go with Team Blue droid.
phenomenal rom and super fast,
used to be a fan of energy series, but
would occasional hiccups here and there.
Good luck!

[Q] What should I do?

Hey Guys,
Alright few days ago my dad gave his HD2 to me and I went through many Custom ROMS of Android.
I liked this one much and for me it's stable; NexusHD2-ICS-4.0.4-CM9-HWA V2.7 ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1434860 )
Now I don't know what to do, if I install this ROM with NAND, I can install some apps in the beginning but after it show "invalid package error" due to less space in phone memory and it gets slow too.
Few days ago I bought MicroSD 8GB 4 Class memory card and now I'm thinking to install NativeSD version of it with 1GB EXT4 partition.
Will it work like NAND, I mean will it be fast? Or should I install INT2EXT ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1716124 ) with NAND only. Its been like 3 weeks I'm just removing and installing ROMS, I just want a stable ROM for my HD2.
If you have any other suggestions please share it with me.
Thank you.

gurjyotanand said:
Hey Guys,
Alright few days ago my dad gave his HD2 to me and I went through many Custom ROMS of Android.
I liked this one much and for me it's stable; NexusHD2-ICS-4.0.4-CM9-HWA V2.7 ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1434860 )
Now I don't know what to do, if I install this ROM with NAND, I can install some apps in the beginning but after it show "invalid package error" due to less space in phone memory and it gets slow too.
Few days ago I bought MicroSD 8GB 4 Class memory card and now I'm thinking to install NativeSD version of it with 1GB EXT4 partition.
Will it work like NAND, I mean will it be fast? Or should I install INT2EXT ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1716124 ) with NAND only. Its been like 3 weeks I'm just removing and installing ROMS, I just want a stable ROM for my HD2.
If you have any other suggestions please share it with me.
Thank you.
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Well if you want stable ics then ur on the right Rom....
If you want stable jelly bean than aokp is the way to go...
And if you want the fastest and most stable sense 3.5 Rom then give our tbd Rom by developer sundawg...
Any how I suggest using nativesd except for with sense we use int2ext
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With a good sd card, native sd can be faster thn nand
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[Q] Suggestion for dual boot

Hi guys! I need an advice both from Windows and Android users.
I used to run Gingerbread on my Leo (NexusHD2 by Tytung) with nativeSD, and I didn't update to ICS or JB because I didn't want it to become laggy (I suppose they are heavier than GB).
Yesterday, my sdcard got broken (actually it became write-protected for no reason on earth, and I couldn't find any way to unlock it or format it, even though I tried with every solution I found on the internet), so I just bought a new one, which will arrive tomorrow; I've read on xda that class4 Sandisk cards are the best ones for smartphones, because they have a higher random speed, whereas class6 and class10 have higher sequential speed but lower random speed. So I bought a 32GB Sandisk class4.
ANDROID PART
1) Now, given that card, do you think I will be able to run smoothly Jellybean (if I find a good stable ROM)? Or do you think it is just too heavy? (If I'm not mistaken ICS, JB, Kitkat are all optimized for multi-core CPUs, and we have a single core with relatively low ram...)
2) If you think I can update to JB without having lags as soon as I install a few apps, would you recommend me a good, stable and fast nativeSD ROM? I'm looking for something very basic, without built-in apps or other crap, I just want the simple, original OS and I will install apps that I need later.
WINDOWS PHONE PART
Since I'll have plenty of space now, with 32GB, I thought to give Windows Phone a shot, since I use Windows 8 on my laptop and I've been told that WP is a very light and not power-demanding OS.
So my idea is a dual boot through nativeSD with Android as favourite OS (since it's the one I'm used to) and WP as second OS, to see if it can fit my needs.
Could you recommend me a good, stable and fast nativeSD ROM? I'm looking for something very basic, without built-in apps or other crap, I just want the simple, original OS and I will install apps that I need later. Besides, is there a stable WP8 for HD2 or just WP7?
Thank you very much for any help. I hope to come to a decision today because tomorrow I'll get the new sdcard and I want to do ll the flashing in one time, without having to repartition the sdcard later

hi
i dual booted my hd2 a while ago.
if u want my opinion, windows phone will not come in use.
but! i still have it on my phone.
i use hd2o as winphone and tytung's nexusHD2 v2.7 (android 4.2.2) as nativeSD android. (i have a 16gb toshiba class 4 microsd card)
there is no winphone 8 available so far, and since DFT and a lot of developers are no longer supporting HD2, i dont think it will be available ever!
A lot of people use pedijamas winphone and say its awesome, but i haven't, and i have no time to switch.
kitkat is still beta, and some features do not work. A few days ago I installed nexusHD2 v3.3 (android 4.3) on my friends phone (nand, CLK sandisk 8gb class 10) and it was great.
but!!!!
my android is not that good. its slow and laggy.
conclusion:
1. Do not install winphone and magldr. instead install CLK and android (nexusHD2 is great, i think v2.7 is still better than v3.3)
2. Install winphone, and android. (i suggest install a few androids and see which one works better, i think 2.3.3 will be better though)
3. Install winphone alone, its fast, and by fast, i mean like FAAAST! but, its not android, so apps and ui will make u sick after a while! :S

hamid_valad said:
hi
i dual booted my hd2 a while ago.
if u want my opinion, windows phone will not come in use.
but! i still have it on my phone.
i use hd2o as winphone and tytung's nexusHD2 v2.7 (android 4.2.2) as nativeSD android. (i have a 16gb toshiba class 4 microsd card)
there is no winphone 8 available so far, and since DFT and a lot of developers are no longer supporting HD2, i dont think it will be available ever!
A lot of people use pedijamas winphone and say its awesome, but i haven't, and i have no time to switch.
kitkat is still beta, and some features do not work. A few days ago I installed nexusHD2 v3.3 (android 4.3) on my friends phone (nand, CLK sandisk 8gb class 10) and it was great.
but!!!!
my android is not that good. its slow and laggy.
conclusion:
1. Do not install winphone and magldr. instead install CLK and android (nexusHD2 is great, i think v2.7 is still better than v3.3)
2. Install winphone, and android. (i suggest install a few androids and see which one works better, i think 2.3.3 will be better though)
3. Install winphone alone, its fast, and by fast, i mean like FAAAST! but, its not android, so apps and ui will make u sick after a while! :S
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Thank you for the reply! A few questions:
1a. In Tytung's v3.3, are the WiFi and 3G/HSPDA traffic indicator arrows in the status bar still not working or did he fix them?
1b. Why not magldr? I thought it would be better since it allows to "unlock" the 576MB RAM in EU HD2s (and I see that Tytung himself uses magldr )
2. Is WinPhone available just in NAND? No nativeSD ROMs?

alfling said:
Thank you for the reply! A few questions:
1a. In Tytung's v3.3, are the WiFi and 3G/HSPDA traffic indicator arrows in the status bar still not working or did he fix them?
1b. Why not magldr? I thought it would be better since it allows to "unlock" the 576MB RAM in EU HD2s (and I see that Tytung himself uses magldr )
2. Is WinPhone available just in NAND? No nativeSD ROMs?
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1a: i'm not sure, since i use nexushd2 v2.7, and it works just fine. (also i don't think its a big deal! i never noticed those arrows!)
1b: i dont know how did you find out that tytung uses magldr!!!! i my self use magldr, its great. but i believe if you just want to use android, CLK is a better option. new roms (4.2.2, 4.3, 4.4) wont fit on nand, so you have to make an ext4 partition and put your data on sd. just your system partition goes to nand, so i think it doesn't make any difference to unlock 576MB RAM. and also i don't know if CLK unlocks it or not! (sorry for my lack of info!)
2: i know this one!!!! )
nope, WinPhone is just available on nand, sadly!

hamid_valad said:
1a: i'm not sure, since i use nexushd2 v2.7, and it works just fine. (also i don't think its a big deal! i never noticed those arrows!)
1b: i dont know how did you find out that tytung uses magldr!!!! i my self use magldr, its great. but i believe if you just want to use android, CLK is a better option. new roms (4.2.2, 4.3, 4.4) wont fit on nand, so you have to make an ext4 partition and put your data on sd. just your system partition goes to nand, so i think it doesn't make any difference to unlock 576MB RAM. and also i don't know if CLK unlocks it or not! (sorry for my lack of info!)
2: i know this one!!!! )
nope, WinPhone is just available on nand, sadly!
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Thanks again! Eventually I asked directly to Tytung and he answered me that it was just an aesthetic thing and the he wouldn't fix it because Google themself removed them in the following versions. I installed the v3.3 and so far it's GREAT (like every Tytung's work)!
I guess he's using MAGLDR from what he writes at the end of his threads, but it's just a guess. Anyway, I'm forced to use nativeSD because some time ago I had continuous crashes even after Task29 and fresh install of Tytung ROMS, so I guess I have some bad blocks in my NAND after 4 years of heavy usage. I hoped to give WP a shot because I've read it's blazing fast, but I'll be happy with my JB 4.3 CM 10.2 :laugh:

alfling said:
Thanks again! Eventually I asked directly to Tytung and he answered me that it was just an aesthetic thing and the he wouldn't fix it because Google themself removed them in the following versions. I installed the v3.3 and so far it's GREAT (like every Tytung's work)!
I guess he's using MAGLDR from what he writes at the end of his threads, but it's just a guess. Anyway, I'm forced to use nativeSD because some time ago I had continuous crashes even after Task29 and fresh install of Tytung ROMS, so I guess I have some bad blocks in my NAND after 4 years of heavy usage. I hoped to give WP a shot because I've read it's blazing fast, but I'll be happy with my JB 4.3 CM 10.2 :laugh:
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see, nexusHD2 is still awesome!
lucky me! i never had any problem with my nand!
if you have to use nativesd, it makes no difference if u use magldr or clk.
if you want to install WP, you have to install MAGLDR, but the problem is that it will wipe your sd and partition it to an unknown partition type. so back up your data before ding so!
have fun.
if i helped, i'm glad!

hamid_valad said:
see, nexusHD2 is still awesome!
lucky me! i never had any problem with my nand!
if you have to use nativesd, it makes no difference if u use magldr or clk.
if you want to install WP, you have to install MAGLDR, but the problem is that it will wipe your sd and partition it to an unknown partition type. so back up your data before ding so!
have fun.
if i helped, i'm glad!
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You've helped me a lot! Thanks!