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Hey Guys
I don't want to offend anyone especially the DEVs but I consider the N7 to be on the bleeding edge, what value does a custom ROM have. Again, I'm used to the world of the HD2 so I can honestly say I appreciate the work of every single DEV and custom ROM but I"m just a little unsure of what a custom ROM on this device brings to the table. Are there features i'm missing?
thanks all
Obviously, custom ROMs give people certain features and optimizations that aren't available in the stock ROM. But I understand where your coming from. Most people use custom ROMs on devices that don't have the latest Android version, and want the bleeding edge of software available. On the Nexus 7, and most Nexus devices, you are on the bleeding edge, and are always up to date. Until a ROM comes out with a must-have feature, stock ROM suits my needs perfectly on my Nexus.
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Well the only reason I am going to root, is to be able to do a fail safe backup.
Using Clockwork mod, you get to backup everything including the way you have it set, the launcher especially.
I just root, and just use the stock rom.
And some apps require root.
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Probably a dumb question but does root prevent you from getting and installing OTAs?
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Probably a dumb question but does root prevent you from getting and installing OTAs?
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It shouldnt but youll lose root.
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defnow said:
It shouldnt but youll lose root.
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Gotcha. That's a bit of a bummer. So the only way to get any new features or bug fixes from the OTA is to flash a ROM that implements them?
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Gotcha. That's a bit of a bummer. So the only way to get any new features or bug fixes from the OTA is to flash a ROM that implements them?
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Look into voodoo ota rootkeeper, it will restore root after an update. I've never had to use it as this is my first Nexus device, and applied all updates before rooting. Also, ROMs generally implement updates within a very short time frame so I wouldn't worry about that.
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doron07 said:
Look into voodoo ota rootkeeper, it will restore root after an update. I've never had to use it as this is my first Nexus device, and applied all updates before rooting. Also, ROMs generally implement updates within a very short time frame so I wouldn't worry about that.
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Thanks. I'll check it out.
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Actually I did a search for Voodoo OTA rootkeeper and someone posted this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1772539
joshtb86 said:
i can confirm OTA update did not cause me to lose root/superuser and voodoo is not needed.
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This is a nexus. If you want to remain on stock..unlock bootloader, install custom recovery, flash Su zip, flash stock recovery if you want OTAs. If an ota comes, flash it. If you lose root, it will take less than 5 mins to set up
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thanks all,
i have unlocked and rooted the N7 and am not questioning the value of those 2 items...trust me that is a huge deal. But i do appreciate the comments--I didn't want to deviate from Stock if it didn't do much and it doesn't seem like any of the new ROMs have made substantial enough changes to warrant a switch.
thanks
Rugged.
Rugged96 said:
thanks all,
i have unlocked and rooted the N7 and am not questioning the value of those 2 items...trust me that is a huge deal. But i do appreciate the comments--I didn't want to deviate from Stock if it didn't do much and it doesn't seem like any of the new ROMs have made substantial enough changes to warrant a switch.
thanks
Rugged.
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Obviously it's not like a Verizon device that has a bunch of bloat and excess so out of the box we are looking great.
Some of the roms are and will be simply stock deodexed/zip-aligned which allow for more customization/theming etc.
Right off the bat, I'd like a stock based rom that I can easily theme that has the default Adroid browser with Flash installed. I don't care about launchers and tablet modes, etc.
The good thing is there should be a huge variety of lightly tweaked to heavily tweaked roms available eventually. If you don't need anything different, then you are good to go and will spend less time staying up late flashing your device. :good:
Hi friends.
I just bought an Nexus 4, I always had iPhones and this is my first Android phone!
So, I am loving it but I am getting really annoyed with this whites that are not really whites!
I found in another threads (yes, I used the search a lot) that the screen can be calibrated by using the "Faux123 Kernel Enhancement Pro" app in a rooted phone. I also found this wonderful thread with a tutorial about how to root the phone.
My questions are:
- In this tutorial it shows how to flash the stock Android. In this spreadshet I found some configurations, but also saw a lot of people using "Faux" kernel. Why I would use this other kernel? Can I just use the stock one?
- After rooting the phone, if an update shows in my phone can I just update it?
- Is makes a difference if my phone have a difference revision (like being produced in January and not in October)?
I appreciate the help!
F0rB1z0n said:
Hi friends.
I just bought an Nexus 4, I always had iPhones and this is my first Android phone!
So, I am loving it but I am getting really annoyed with this whites that are not really whites!
I found in another threads (yes, I used the search a lot) that the screen can be calibrated by using the "Faux123 Kernel Enhancement Pro" app in a rooted phone. I also found this wonderful thread with a tutorial about how to root the phone.
My questions are:
- In this tutorial it shows how to flash the stock Android. In this spreadshet I found some configurations, but also saw a lot of people using "Faux" kernel. Why I would use this other kernel? Can I just use the stock one?
- After rooting the phone, if an update shows in my phone can I just update it?
- Is makes a difference if my phone have a difference revision (like being produced in January and not in October)?
I appreciate the help!
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1. as far as I know you can't configure the colors using the stock kernel.
2. as long as you're in stock kernel you should be able to update it OTA. (I think)
3. I guess not. I mean some rev_10 users here says that their phone isn't having any major issues while some rev_10 users does. same thing with rev_11.
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My suggestion is to take it slow, and don't root your phone unless if you have a legitimate reason for doing it. I have a Nexus 4 that's rooted because I wanted the CM10 quick setting panel, but my Nexus 7 is not rooted because I don't use any apps that require root on it. My first android phone was the I9000, and I had to root it because I needed to use Titanium Backup - the first few updates released by Samsung does a full wipe, so TB is a must have to backup app data.
Root is Android's equivalent of Window's Administrator User. It allows you to do things that a normal user account cannot do (hence Super User). To root your phone, you must unlock your bootloader first. Note that this is not the same as unlocking an iPhone. As a security feature, unlocking your bootloader will wipe everything on your phone, apps, photo, videos, music, younameit. Read the sticky guide on how to backup your phone before unlocking the bootloader.
1) Kernel is the interface between the software and the hardware. It's a bit like the drivers on the computer. Some kernels offer extra functionality, for example overclocking and undervolting. Again, if you don't need the extra functionality, you may as well stay with the stock kernel.
2) Updating OTA might remove root, but it won't lock your bootloader again. There are ways to retain root after an OTA update. I have no idea which thread the relevant information can be found, but the next time Google release another OTA, the threads will resurface again.
3) No difference.
You don't need a custom kernel to play with the colours ....
I'm on stock ROM and kernel and use faux clock app to change screen settings
Just requires root
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italia0101 said:
You don't need a custom kernel to play with the colours ....
I'm on stock ROM and kernel and use faux clock app to change screen settings
Just requires root
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thanks for correcting. I wasn't sure.
First time Android user. I jailbroke several iphones in the past but just learning about rooting. I just did the towelroot, now what????
What is cyanogenmod? Do I need it?
Thanks for everyone who helps out!
Download rom manager from play store and use it to flash a custom recovery.. It should be simple
After that you can flash cyanogenmod which is a ROM that changes your phones interface to almost stock android with some added features
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killyass said:
Download rom manager from play store and use it to flash a custom recovery.. It should be simple
After that you can flash cyanogenmod which is a ROM that changes your phones interface to almost stock android with some added features
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Thanks for the quick reply!!! I downloaded that and the first thing was a recovery setup. It said I needed to install clockworkmod Recovery. I attempted to do that but it said my phone is not supported..
Welcome! What phone do you have?
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killyass said:
Welcome! What phone do you have?
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Galaxy s5 on ATT
scholls22 said:
Galaxy s5 on ATT
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oh right cwm doesn't support S5 yet. anyway there's another recovery other than cwm you can use which is twrp.. download goomanager from playstore and use it the same way to install twrp
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As far as I know the ATT S5 has a locked boot loader and hence cannot use custom recoveries or ROMs. For now you are stuck with the ROM you have. You are able to modify your ROM now though.
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First time Android user. I jailbroke several iphones in the past but just learning about rooting. I just did the towelroot, now what????
What is cyanogenmod? Do I need it?
Thanks for everyone who helps out!
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Two things you should consider..
First of all, if you install a custom kernel/recovery, it will void your warranty (this is called as tripping the KNOX flag). Currently, this is something that you cannot fix by yourself and if your phone breaks Samsung may or may not fix it. But that doesn't actually matter since your phone is on ATT and that one is bootloader locked anyway (which means that currently you cannot flash that recovery anyway).
Second thing is that currently CM11 is pretty broken and some features like GPS and Camera aren't working. It will take some time before people manage to iron out all the bugs and even then it might not be perfect.
My advice is that you should first try to get familiar with the phone and then start thinking about modifying it since you aren't used to Android phones. While rooting might give you some functionality you normally wouldn't have, it's not really something that you'll absolutely need. Even out of the box Android is still way more capable and customizable than iOS and most of that stuff doesn't need rooting.
Like the title says, is there any reason not to root my new 6p?
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Android pay won't work but other than that I love mine rooted
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funnel71 said:
Android pay won't work but other than that I love mine rooted
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Android Pay works with system-less root.
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That's what I have or so I thought but I can't seem to add any cards to it. It tells me my Android device isn't recognized. Do you know how to get around that
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I tried with systemless root and AP worked fine, but my company dinged me for having email installed and they detected root.
Sucks too because EX kernel plus stock seemed awesome. But having access to corporate email is more a daily must, and I don't want to carry two phones.
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I tried with systemless root and AP worked fine, but my company dinged me for having email installed and they detected root.
Sucks too because EX kernel plus stock seemed awesome. But having access to corporate email is more a daily must, and I don't want to carry two phones.
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I know what you mean, my company uses good for email access and it will shut down if root is detected. So, I just carry two phones
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funnel71 said:
I know what you mean, my company uses good for email access and it will shut down if root is detected. So, I just carry two phones
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I was reading over an Xposed module the other day that can hide root detection. I personally have no experience with this as I have no need to hide root. Have you tried using root masking apps or modules before?
And to the OP, no. I bought this phone specifically because its a nexus.... It was built to be rooted. Some will argue that point saying that android is so well optimized now that root isn't necessary, stock ROMs are no longer better than stock blah blah blah. Root still have amazing advantages. I say root all the way. Heisenberg wrote an amazing guide in the general section that will answer 99% of your questions about this phone when it comes to rooting and flashing. Anything else he and community will answer in the Q&A section.
Pain-N-Panic said:
I was reading over an Xposed module the other day that can hide root detection. I personally have no experience with this as I have no need to hide root. Have you tried using root masking apps or modules before?
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Some apps *cought* Snapchat *cough* don't work even with the root hiding xposed module. For some reason, I could still use snapchat even with root, but no xposed. On my Note 4, I couldn't use snapchat unless the thing is completely stock.
funnel71 said:
That's what I have or so I thought but I can't seem to add any cards to it. It tells me my Android device isn't recognized. Do you know how to get around that
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Once you've installed system-less root you have to remove xbin_bin folder in /su/bin if you forgot to do it when installing system-less. You also have to change the permissions of the /su/bin folder to 0751 from 0755. You can change the permissions through terminal on the phone, or with adb on the computer; you can also change the permissions with a file manager such as Root Explorer. I suggest you reboot the phone just as a precaution after making the changes.
Once you've done that you can check with one of the SafetyNet checking apps from the Play Store.
Pain-N-Panic said:
I was reading over an Xposed module the other day that can hide root detection. I personally have no experience with this as I have no need to hide root. Have you tried using root masking apps or modules before?
And to the OP, no. I bought this phone specifically because its a nexus.... It was built to be rooted. Some will argue that point saying that android is so well optimized now that root isn't necessary, stock ROMs are no longer better than stock blah blah blah. Root still have amazing advantages. I say root all the way. Heisenberg wrote an amazing guide in the general section that will answer 99% of your questions about this phone when it comes to rooting and flashing. Anything else he and community will answer in the Q&A section.
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Xposed automatically breaks AP...no way around that.
The two reasons I don't root it are android pay and updates. I know AP is possible but it's a cat and mouse game. Updates seem easier now than in previous versions but not nearly as convenient as they are unrooted.
NCguy said:
The two reasons I don't root it are android pay and updates. I know AP is possible but it's a cat and mouse game. Updates seem easier now than in previous versions but not nearly as convenient as they are unrooted.
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Most custom ROMs are usually updated before you get the official OTA from Google...
slaydog said:
Most custom ROMs are usually updated before you get the official OTA from Google...
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This. Plus updating via fastboot really isnt very difficult at all. A little time consuming but that's it.
slaydog said:
Most custom ROMs are usually updated before you get the official OTA from Google...
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The OP said root not ROM.
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The OP said root not ROM.
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Yeah, I was just pointing out that if you don't like to root because it's more difficult to get updates, you may want to try a custom ROM, then you can have the benefits of root and easy updates.
Of course you'll still have the same cat and mouse game with Google in regards to Android Pay, so if you find yourself shopping without your wallet allot, you might just wanna forget the whole thing...
My X compact is on its way!
Do you guys recommend rooting or keeping stock?
Important to me would be smooth performance, battery and camera.
Thank you
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I recommend rooting the stock!
there is not actually many custom roms for this phone, and stock rom is really good if you just root it
Kianush said:
I recommend rooting the stock!
there is not actually many custom roms for this phone, and stock rom is really good if you just root it
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Thanks. Once rooted on stock, what changes you recommend?
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Kianush said:
I recommend rooting the stock!
there is not actually many custom roms for this phone, and stock rom is really good if you just root it
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Paranoid Android team recently added official support for x compact, but I don't know if they have a stable version yet.
You can't get better than rooted stock, custom ROMS always seem to have issues that prevent them from being a full daily driver.
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You can't get better than rooted stock, custom ROMS always seem to have issues that prevent them from being a full daily driver.
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Any recommendations for changes to make on stock one rooted? Thanks
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Any recommendations for changes to make on stock one rooted? Thanks
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The usual, debloat, new fonts, theme the system, couple of build.prop edits and that's about it for me.
My 2 cent.
Stock ROM is very good. You *could* root to debloat, but I have preferred to just deactivate the useless app (which are on the /system partition, so that you won't get a real advantage in removing them).
At the moment I don't see a big thing in rooting the device. On the other side, you could loose some interesting feature (e.g., vodafone wallet, or some home banking functions)..
Enjoy your Xc!
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Thanks. Once rooted on stock, what changes you recommend?
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I actually did not change anything except for some build.prop changes
Stock rom is very good as is, I just recommended root so you can use some apps like greenify :good::good:
A very good thing about Xperia devices is the camera, and with a custom rom the camera app is always lacking (unless they can use/steal the stock camera app?)
Otherwise, I don't care about any other Sony apps.
Rooted stock is very good though I'm happy.
If PA has good camera and I can pass safety net, I might switch one day.
Thanks all! I'll look into build prop, to be honest not sure what this does
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I'm in the same boat. Went from a rooted Z1 Compact to the X compact. It seems so tedious to root the X Compact so I haven't done it yet. However I can say I am missing having root, missing Titanium backup etc. We'll see how we go. Hoping for someone to release a guide to root nougat without having to go back to MM.
Mine came with N loaded. It is international version.
I've yet to try it out extensively.
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mario24601 said:
Thanks all! I'll look into build prop, to be honest not sure what this does
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Don't get too hung up on build.prop mods as a lot of them don't work anymore if they even did in the first place. The only two entries I have in mine are...
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persist.adb.notify=0
fw.show_multiuserui=0