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Hello there,
I'm a relativelly experienced software developer and im looking to develop applications for the smartphone ambient.
The thing is... i don't know the first thing about smartphones OS other than who the big boys are, so... this is where the actual knowledgeable guys come in...
I need help with some questions:
1) Which is more developer friendly (IDE, libraries, languages, allowing for custom applications, etc)?
2) How much support is there for developing great eye candy applications in each major smartphone OS? Or just state the one with the best support for cool looking applications.
3) I heard that in Windows mobile you better code in .NET or C++ or you're screwed... Is there really no better alternative?
4) What other languages / framework can one use in Symbian, RIM, IPhone?
I'm not a WinMo dev (yet?) but I can answer a few of these questions.
2. iPhone strives to have a consistently beautiful OS by providing easy to use APIs for GUI creation. Since every app uses the same APIs, they all have the same smooth scrolling action and animations. As far as I know, Windows Mobile does not have APIs for a consistently good looking UI. So far, every app I've seen uses its own implementation of finger scrolling, even within HTC's own apps.
3. What alternatives are you thinking of? If you want to use Java, you could code for J2ME and Jbed. They don't look as good as native apps though, are less flexible, and tend to have greater overhead. Not great for mobile devices.
Soaa- said:
I'm not a WinMo dev (yet?) but I can answer a few of these questions.
2. iPhone strives to have a consistently beautiful OS by providing easy to use APIs for GUI creation. Since every app uses the same APIs, they all have the same smooth scrolling action and animations. As far as I know, Windows Mobile does not have APIs for a consistently good looking UI. So far, every app I've seen uses its own implementation of finger scrolling, even within HTC's own apps.
3. What alternatives are you thinking of? If you want to use Java, you could code for J2ME and Jbed. They don't look as good as native apps though, are less flexible, and tend to have greater overhead. Not great for mobile devices.
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Thank you that was really helpfull. Whats your take on Symbian or Android?
Soaa- said:
2. iPhone strives to have a consistently beautiful OS by providing easy to use APIs for GUI creation. Since every app uses the same APIs, they all have the same smooth scrolling action and animations. As far as I know, Windows Mobile does not have APIs for a consistently good looking UI. So far, every app I've seen uses its own implementation of finger scrolling, even within HTC's own apps.
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For the record, 6.5 has gestures support (including kinetic scrolling) built in so it will work across all applications.
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cheers
Noone who can give me a quick rundown on these OS's?
Thaks in advance.
SEE....
http://www.smorgasbordet.com/pellesc/
http://www.trajectorylabs.com/win32.html
This is the most I've been able to turn up in any of my searches, least in terms of an API for common GUI controls.
http://fluid.codeplex.com/
Haven't had much time to play with it lately tho. Hopefully that will change toward the end of next month.
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Then theres also the non free stuff.
http://www.resco.net/developer/default.aspx
Hi,
I am a windows 8 app developer, and I use JavaScript, css3, and html5 to develop apps for windows 8.
They don't run in the browser, they run as actual apps, just like if you wrote them in c# or c++.
I was just wondering, do u think Microsoft will add support to windows phone 8 for apps that are written in js and html5?.
As I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be possible, because u can write websites for phones with those languages, and it has the same principles.
Sorry if I have posted this in the wrong forum, I am new to the wp8 forum
Thanks
Corey
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Correction: your apps do run in a browser, just not in an blatantly obvious one.
You can develop HTML 5 apps for WP8.
mcosmin222 said:
Correction: your apps do run in a browser, just not in an blatantly obvious one.
You can develop HTML 5 apps for WP8.
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Hi, that's incorrect.
They run with the same JavaScript engine as IE10, but its not in a browser, it runs in the context of a app.
You upload the JavaScript apps for windows 8 to the MS store, so it doesn't run in browser.
So can u develop wp8 apps that you can upload to the MS store with HTML 5?.
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I really can't understand how people use JS for developing apps. It looks really ugly, at least MS's applications.
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I really can't understand how people use JS for developing apps. It looks really ugly, at least MS's applications.
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They don't look ugly, they look exactly the same as if they were developed in c#.
It just depends if the dev is **** or now, lol.
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There is a HTML5 App template in the WP8 SDK, so in that regard you can do HTML5 Apps for WP8. But it comes down to having a "WebView" inside a regular App without access to the functionalities the OS provides (as you would be able to on Win8/RT). So in the end you are down to what you can do with the standard HTML5/JS functionality.
You might be able to do more with PhoneGap.
As for future updates. Currently there is also functionality (especially UI-wise) that you can't access from C++ Native Code either. There seems to still be a lot of Silverlight in the Runtime of WP8. Microsoft announced that they would try and move the Runtime libraries of WP and Windows closer together with Blue, so I do believe "Native HTML 5 development" could become possible then.
It's coming. Later
what are other ad networks other than airpush,tapcontext,leadbolt and startapp available for android app integration?
gopineom said:
what are other ad networks other than airpush,tapcontext,leadbolt and startapp available for android app integration?
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Hello @gopineom,
The best place I have found is on AppBrain. Their list of active ad networks not only break down the top 60+, but you can dig into them a little deeper by seeing what category of apps people are using. This is an indication of the success of those category per each network (http://www.appbrain.com/stats/libraries/ad), not saying others wouldn't work, I just use it as a guide.
I am actually curious your successes on the networks you mentioned, and why you would be looking at others?
Thanks!
Pingjam is a new ad network which doesn't spam
Pingjam is a new ad network for Android apps that adds a useful caller ID service to your app and shows only relevant ads in business phone calls. You are welcome to check us out :good:
In our experience it depends on your location, if you've got lots of US customers Amazon is a great choice. We've got a list of ad networks we're support for Android on AdFlake.com, scroll down to the bottom of the page.
But I recommend integrating AdFlake into your app, it supports 14 ad networks for Android (and we'll add more in the near future) so you only have to implement a single SDK and you'll get access to all networks and even more awesome features on top. You can even change the allocation after the deployment of the app.
Although they are not ad-networks per se, did you try the Burstly (now it is called skyrocketapp) and MoPub?
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what are other ad networks other than airpush,tapcontext,leadbolt and startapp available for android app integration?
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Hey @gopineom. Did you have a look at Pollfish? Pollfish is a new interactive monetization method that delivers surveys instead of ads through mobile apps providing high payouts with minimal intrusion.
I have used Admob,airpush,leadbolt. SDK integration is easy and quick, smooth payment however they have one common thing: kinda low eCPM. So I switch to Adsota. Here is my opinion about it
Pros:
- Good eCPM
- Quick and smooth payment
- Work for IOS and Android
- 100% Fill-rate
Cons:
- It mainly targets Southest Asian users. (actually this is a pros for me)
I still use it today and you can find by googling "ads.appota"
Best of luck, mate!
@gopineom , if you'd like to try video advertising, would highly recommend you check out Teads.tv. We offer great CPMs, advertisers, and support for the integration. Not to mention that we currently have a big publisher sign-up bonus as well!
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what are other ad networks other than airpush,tapcontext,leadbolt and startapp available for android app integration?
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There are many Ad networks you can check out. My personal suggestion would be Affle. When my previous company was reaching out for the same problem's solution, we came across Affle and we have seen results. I would recommend you the same. You can post a query on their website about your requirements. You could also give my reference if required.
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Hi!
I have few apps that are getting nice number of daily downloads on windows phone marketplace, but my main problem is that I'm having problem finding a decent ad-network for them. I'm currently using inneractive and the income is really bad. Which ad-network are you guys using on windows phone? I'm looking for a banner and interstitial provider.
Depends on where your traffic comes from. You wont find networks which offer good fill rates and revenues across geographies for Windows.
The best bet for you would be to try other aggregators like Smaato or Adiquity.
What about adMob? I though it works everywhere.
Some Options
präsä said:
Hi!
I have few apps that are getting nice number of daily downloads on windows phone marketplace, but my main problem is that I'm having problem finding a decent ad-network for them. I'm currently using inneractive and the income is really bad. Which ad-network are you guys using on windows phone? I'm looking for a banner and interstitial provider.
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I have been using Pubcenter and Inneractive ads. Though both are generating very low income I use them as there are not many options. Have you looked into adrotator? If you are developing for WP8 then you can take a look at admob; They recently launched WP8 beta SDK ( Not available in all countries).
Options include (Haven't tested them myself)
millennial media
inmobi
smaato
Hope this helps.
Did you find your ad network?
May I know which network did you tried, and how's the income?
We are trying to find a decent network to publish our ads, but... it's the same problem, we don't know which is popular in developers.
präsä said:
Hi!
I have few apps that are getting nice number of daily downloads on windows phone marketplace, but my main problem is that I'm having problem finding a decent ad-network for them. I'm currently using inneractive and the income is really bad. Which ad-network are you guys using on windows phone? I'm looking for a banner and interstitial provider.
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adIquity only got WP7 SDK
Do you use it for WP7/8?
Bryan Ribero said:
Hi,
It takes time for any app to achieve or to gain user credibility, you've to have patience for that. There are ad networks who gives right platform to app. Nowadays AdIquity is popular, you can try them or else you can try Smaato.
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Hi Sohan
I don't use any SDK at this moment. I am seeking a ad network that can work on CPC or CPI(prefer).
And I need to monitor the click with our own statistics.
I went through inMobi console yesterday
It's the best for Advertiser to be honest. We don't need to mail someone to ask around, and we can put our own trace url.
But as a developer, I don't see many apps using inMobi on WP.
And as a user, all ads in app I noticed was AdDuplex.
Their homepage was filled with Android and iPhone examples.
So I have no idea how many people seriously using this.
Can you name a few apps using your service?
SohanM said:
Hey
Which Windows SDK are you using?
You can try out InMobi. They have support for Windows 7 and 8. Do check this link:
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Has anyone tried AdMob for Windows 8 yet? I have been using pubcenter, and it is not great, with a low fill rate...
Looking for extra revenues of to launch CPC/CPI campaigns for Windows Phone ?
You should try AdDeals Ad Network for Windows Phone
It provides:
* Free cross-promotion for developers (1:1)
* Additional revenues (that's not a banner ad network so any developer using banners can include AdDeals!)
* Quality ads, quality content for your users
And for advertisers:
* You can run CPC / CPI campaigns by yourself easily.
* Target countries and more
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bellissimo75 said:
Has anyone tried AdMob for Windows 8 yet? I have been using pubcenter, and it is not great, with a low fill rate...
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I am using AdMob for my WP8 games. The SDK is ugly, I think it crashes a lot, but it provides a consisnent income, equal to my Android income.
Mikhail77 said:
I am using AdMob for my WP8 games. The SDK is ugly, I think it crashes a lot, but it provides a consisnent income, equal to my Android income.
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Great. I am currently have apps in Android Play store only. I am thinking to publish in Windows store but afraid the ROI is very bad and not many users will download.
and for V4C adds? what would you recommend?
Hi, just wanted to get your opinions of developing apps with the native Android SDK versus PhoneGap/Cordova.
I have coded an app using the Android SDK before, but I found the SDK to be a bit difficult to work with even though it is very powerful. I haven't tried making an app in PhoneGap/Cordova yet, but I'm a very experienced web developer so developing an app with HTML, CSS, and JavaScript sounds very enticing to me. Still I don't know the actual details to making an app with PhoneGap/Cordova though since I've yet to try it.
Besides the benefit of PhoneGap/Cordova being cross-platform, what are your thoughts on each one and which one do you prefer and why?
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Hi, just wanted to get your opinions of developing apps with the native Android SDK versus PhoneGap/Cordova.
I have coded an app using the Android SDK before, but I found the SDK to be a bit difficult to work with even though it is very powerful. I haven't tried making an app in PhoneGap/Cordova yet, but I'm a very experienced web developer so developing an app with HTML, CSS, and JavaScript sounds very enticing to me. Still I don't know the actual details to making an app with PhoneGap/Cordova though since I've yet to try it.
Besides the benefit of PhoneGap/Cordova being cross-platform, what are your thoughts on each one and which one do you prefer and why?
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My personal opinion is that any web app thats on play/app stores should have to have some logo or something to say thats what they are. From a user point there is no comparison really, like comparing a chrome/web app on PC to a native win/linux app, they don't really compare and I personally as a user have yet to see web apps impress. However having said that there is always variance to any argument, I think here it depends on context. So for my app Smart Messenger, there is zero chance as a web app, or if it were possible the experience would be way too bad for the user. However consider a simple listings app that just has a few screens, maybe not as bad. Dont get me wrong, still think web apps should come with a sticker so the user knows not to download, but the experience would fall a shorter distance to native based on complexity/context.
Just my thoughts
It depends on the requirements of the app: if you need to build functionally simple app quickly and spread it across the platforms, then it's better to use hybrid/web app. If you need sophisticated functionality (e.g. games), which has to heavily utilize mobile device's facilities (hardware/software) then the best bet would be to use Android SDK.
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It depends on the requirements of the app: if you need to build functionally simple app quickly and spread it across the platforms, then it's better to use hybrid/web app. If you need sophisticated functionality (e.g. games), which has to heavily utilize mobile device's facilities (hardware/software) then the best bet would be to use Android SDK.
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erm not just games, any app that you want fluid and responsive that can't be just a html/php site through a browser .... btw I speak from a user point here, not just a dev. I have yet to find a web app that I would even consider keeping on the phone/tablet... I prefer to use a browser to access the info, not some fakey thing.
Performance is a big factor. If it's a simple app you may sure as well go with Phonegap etc. but for an advanced, more complex app native is always the best options as it will provide much better performance than a Phonegap app.
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Performance is a big factor. If it's a simple app you may sure as well go with Phonegap etc. but for an advanced, more complex app native is always the best options as it will provide much better performance than a Phonegap app.
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I strongly agree here... Ive used both and Phonegap lacks alot in Performance on Android (not on iOS).
If you want a a cross platform frameworks consider Xamarin (C#)
Code:
http://xamarin.com
NobleDroid said:
I strongly agree here... Ive used both and Phonegap lacks alot in Performance on Android (not on iOS).
If you want a a cross platform frameworks consider Xamarin (C#)
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I'm using phonegap for my app it works great on android too.
Try using the ionic framework, it is a game changer.
khashayarp said:
I'm using phonegap for my app it works great on android too.
Try using the ionic framework, it is a game changer.
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As both a developer and user I have yet to see a web app that I would even consider leaving on my phone once I obviously see it's just a local website I have often asked for examples of really good web apps and never seen a single one...
Would it be possible to check out yours ?
Just interested... cheers
deanwray said:
As both a developer and user I have yet to see a web app that I would even consider leaving on my phone once I obviously see it's just a local website I have often asked for examples of really good web apps and never seen a single one...
Would it be possible to check out yours ?
Just interested... cheers
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I have posted it on xda (http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/app-introducing-palm-note-awesome-note-t2861937)
khashayarp said:
Try using the ionic framework, it is a game changer.
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If we're talking about performance, how Ionic can make a difference if it has been built on top of Cordova (like Phonegap)?