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Appologies for duplicating this post here and on the accessories forum but needed a quick answer!
Anyone technically minded who can answer this....
I am using a HTC Touch Pro mains charger for my X1 (as it has a longer cable) which charges the X1 fully.
I did notice the back of the X1 getting a little warm, so double checked the outputs on the original X1 charger and the TouchPro one.
X1 = 5v 700mA
TouchPro = 5v 1A
Is this likely to be a problem?
You should definately not mix power adapters like that. On the other hand they both use mini-USB plugs so if they follow the USB standard (Battery Charging Specification) you are okay. The spec allows for up to 1,8 A, but that does not mean the X1 can take it.
I would have rather bought an extension cable for the X1 charger. Then you are safe _if_ anything happens and you damage your X1. :|
If you need a longer cable, just plug in a standard USB extension cable It will work perfectly and you can extend to plenty of meters if you need to.
Regarding the use of the 1A charger, I don't think it will be that much of a problem, but I wouldn't count on it to cause no problems either. The battery getting warm is not that odd when charging, as batteries generally generate heat when they get charged. The fact that it gets warmer with the 1A, instead of the 0.7A charger, is just because you charge the battery quicker, which in turn causes more heat. You should keep it mind though that heat is a bad thing for LiIon batteries like the X1 uses. Having it being warm reduces lifetime quicker then when it's cool.
maedox said:
You should definately not mix power adapters like that. On the other hand they both use mini-USB plugs so if they follow the USB standard (Battery Charging Specification) you are okay. The spec allows for up to 1,8 A, but that does not mean the X1 can take it.
I would have rather bought an extension cable for the X1 charger. Then you are safe _if_ anything happens and you damage your X1. :|
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Thanks for your help. I assumed - like you - that USB was USB in regards to power output. But I will take your advice and get an extension and stop using the old one.
Cheers
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What I've seen on battery charging on mobile phones is that they have an internal intelligent charging system, at least the Siemens and Wavecom systems I've been using.
LiIon batteries are normally charged using constant voltage/constant current until a certain voltage level is reached, ~4.2V for 3.6V batteries. Then the charge current is reduced with a constant voltage until the charging current reaches zero. This implies that from a 5V charger there has to be some sort of internal charging system to make it work.
If you get a charger for USB it is the internal system that handles the current rate, not the charger. The specs on the charger shows the maximum current possible, not the charger's constant charge rate.
So if the phone's internal charging system thinks it's ok with 1A it will use it, but as mentioned earlier, it will produce more heat, but with a faster charging.
Though USB charging specs is limited to 1.8A, most charging circuits is possible to set to less current, with some part charging the battery, the rest powering the phone.
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What I've seen on battery charging on mobile phones is that they have an internal intelligent charging system, at least the Siemens and Wavecom systems I've been using.
LiIon batteries are normally charged using constant voltage/constant current until a certain voltage level is reached, ~4.2V for 3.6V batteries. Then the charge current is reduced with a constant voltage until the charging current reaches zero. This implies that from a 5V charger there has to be some sort of internal charging system to make it work.
If you get a charger for USB it is the internal system that handles the current rate, not the charger. The specs on the charger shows the maximum current possible, not the charger's constant charge rate.
So if the phone's internal charging system thinks it's ok with 1A it will use it, but as mentioned earlier, it will produce more heat, but with a faster charging.
Though USB charging specs is limited to 1.8A, most charging circuits is possible to set to less current, with some part charging the battery, the rest powering the phone.
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Thanks very much that's very informative.
I am wondering if the X1 has this internal intelligent charging system you mentioned. Would be useful to know.
Actually the mA ratings are what the charger can deliver. Not what they actually will deliver. A 700mA rated charger will supply up to 700mA if asked for by the device. This is a two way thing. The charger side will never provide more than it's maximum rating, it's a built in safety thing. The charged side should never ask for more than it can handle, providing that it is a well built piece of electronics. I trust the X1 to be well built on this. USB standards rate a maximum of 500mA for high power devices. The X1 does adapt and thus will charge slower.
Glad this is being discussed; as my X1 is a UK model, I don't have a US wall charger.
I found some on monoprice.com, see under the Power to USB section at the bottom:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10311
They have 3 varieties:
High-Speed WALL Power to USB Female Converter (1000mah) - Black
High-Speed WALL Power to USB Female Converter (1000mah) - White
[**cant tell a discernable difference between those two, but one is larger...**]
WALL Power to USB Female CHARGER Converter - Black (500mah)
[**many people complaining about this not charging their devices; either it really does suck or they didnt get one with enough output**]
I WONT kill the phone picking up a 1000mah?
Anyone else in my situation needing a new US charger, this site has great prices on this stuff... these adapters are under 2 bucks, and USB cables are super-cheap too!
Hello!
Just curious if there is an issue with using my new Nexus 10 2A charger with other phones, such as my HTC Sensation or Blackberry Torch?
The Sensation uses a 1A charger, but I assume the phones are smart enough to only draw the current necessary, so they won't be damaged by drawing too much?
I'd like to just use the Nexus 10 charger and not have to carry other ones.
yes it is fine
Cool thanks
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yes it is fine
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I heard though that
*first it creates unnecessary heat because the current drawn by circuitry on lower amperage device has to be dissipated as heat
*second, this is less science/engineering but someone said that the specific pins are created by companies and the pins themselves can vary in terms of impedance, thus change the overall circuitry of the device in the long run
*third Li-Ion can pull more current than the default charger and it tends to do so to charge faster, albeit at the cost of the battery overall life deteriorates because higher charging rates also leads to faster breakdown of cells?
I wish I had sources, but this is what I pulled off the Internet when I was younger... can you please assist and advise? Would greatly appreciate (even if we start new thread from this
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I heard though that
*first it creates unnecessary heat because the current drawn by circuitry on lower amperage device has to be dissipated as heat
*second, this is less science/engineering but someone said that the specific pins are created by companies and the pins themselves can vary in terms of impedance, thus change the overall circuitry of the device in the long run
*third Li-Ion can pull more current than the default charger and it tends to do so to charge faster, albeit at the cost of the battery overall life deteriorates because higher charging rates also leads to faster breakdown of cells?
I wish I had sources, but this is what I pulled off the Internet when I was younger... can you please assist and advise? Would greatly appreciate (even if we start new thread from this
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Wish I knew for sure too. REally I don't care a lot about my HTC Sensation as I plan on getting a Nexus 4 LTE when it eventually comes out. Hopefully those come with 2A chargers!
Sure I could get a Nexus 4 and use LTE right now on Bell, but I'd rather wait for an official one.
nutnub said:
I heard though that
*first it creates unnecessary heat because the current drawn by circuitry on lower amperage device has to be dissipated as heat
*second, this is less science/engineering but someone said that the specific pins are created by companies and the pins themselves can vary in terms of impedance, thus change the overall circuitry of the device in the long run
*third Li-Ion can pull more current than the default charger and it tends to do so to charge faster, albeit at the cost of the battery overall life deteriorates because higher charging rates also leads to faster breakdown of cells?
I wish I had sources, but this is what I pulled off the Internet when I was younger... can you please assist and advise? Would greatly appreciate (even if we start new thread from this
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Everybody seems to misunderstand LiPo charging, as it is different than previous battery technologies
For general LiPo Information, you should look here. Charging information is about halfway down the page
http://www.rchelicopterfun.com/rc-lipo-batteries.html
Ill quote the important part:
Selecting the correct charge current is also critical when charging RC LiPo battery packs. The golden rule here use to be "never charge a LiPo or LiIon pack greater than 1 times its capacity (1C)."
For example a 2000 mAh pack, would be charged at a maximum charge current of 2000 mA or 2.0 amps. Never higher or the life of the pack would be greatly reduced. If you choose a charge rate significantly higher than the 1C value, the battery will heat up and could swell, vent, or catch fire.
Times are a changing...
Most LiPo experts now feel however you can safely charge at a 2C or even 3C rate on quality packs that have a discharge rating of at least 20C or more safely and low internal resistances, with little effect on the overall life expectancy of the pack as long as you have a good charger with a good balancing system. There are more and more LiPo packs showing up stating 2C and 3C charge rates, with even a couple manufactures indicating 5C rates. The day of the 10 minute charge is here (assuming you have a high power charger and power source capable of delivering that many watts and amps).
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Pretty much all phones are right around 2000mAh capacity now days so even going by the "old" golden charging rule a 2A charger would be safe to use. My Galaxy Nexus came with (I think) a 1A charger, but ever since I got my tablet shortly thereafter I have just used the tablets 2A charger for both devices and never once had an issue. It has been 8 months now of using the 2A charger on my phone. Idle life can still reach a little over 3 days on a single charge and I still get one of the best screen on time's of most people I know around the forums. So yes from personal experience a 2A tablet charger is completely fine to use on a phone.
Charging circuitry is built into the device, not the "charger"
Nothing to worry about
EniGmA1987 said:
Ill quote the important part:
Pretty much all phones are right around 2000mAh capacity now days so even going by the "old" golden charging rule a 2A charger would be safe to use. My Galaxy Nexus came with 9I think) a 1A charger, but ever since I got my tablet shortly thereafter I have just used the tablets 2A charger for both devices and never once had an issue. It has been 8 months now of using the 2A charger on my phone. Idle life can still reach a little over 3 days on a single charge and I still get one of the best screen on time's of most people I know around the forums. So yes from personal experience a 2A tablet charger is completely fine to use on a phone.
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Is it safe to assume that all chargers come default at 1C charging for their device? Because if that's the case, I figure most electronics we own can just be replaced with 10w chargers (which would make life much more convenient).
This is slightly related/unrelated, but how do you know whether a charger is "high quality" or will only provide "constant current / constant voltage"? It seems strange to me that these days, you can't find the circuitry of many devices we own publicly available so you can't check if the design is good (let alone how they chose the components in their design?). Do you (and other veterans) have any thoughts on this?
Thanks for teaching me lots!
-newb, happily reading away
I bought one of those 2amp double chargers from a seller on Amazon. It wasn't really cheap either (in cost anyway- I spent a bit more hoping it would be higher quality). After plugging in my MotoRAZR and the wife's lumia the charger popped and some plastic from the housing of the charger flew across the room! Thankfully both phones were fine.
I wondered whether both phones tried to pull more than the charger could handle and the charger had poor quality circuitry.
Since then, I've only ever bought branded official replacement chargers (Motorola, Samsung etc). I'd happily mix and match them to the phones but I'd be wary of buying a no name Chinese jobby from Ebay or Amazon marketplace.
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Is it safe to assume that all chargers come default at 1C charging for their device? Because if that's the case, I figure most electronics we own can just be replaced with 10w chargers (which would make life much more convenient).
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Most batteries can discharge a lot faster than they can recharge, but with LiPo, the difference is getting smaller.
Batteries used to need trickle charging as if you charge fast they would get hot, which causes the chemicals inside to expand(think like a fizzy drink, pour it fast and it will overflow) causing the battery to burst, exposing nasty chemicals.
New technology means the charger can accurately monitor how fast we fill the battery, without letting it get too hot, and also the way it is filled(as with the fizzy drink, pour down the side of a glass rather than straight to the bottom and you will fill the glass faster, with less chance of it over-spilling)
This is slightly related/unrelated, but how do you know whether a charger is "high quality" or will only provide "constant current / constant voltage"? It seems strange to me that these days, you can't find the circuitry of many devices we own publicly available so you can't check if the design is good (let alone how they chose the components in their design?). Do you (and other veterans) have any thoughts on this?
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Unfortunately, industry is full of products made to a budget, usually by using cheaper components/designs(the charger for the ASUS TF101 was renowned for failing), so there is no foolproof way of determining 'quality' apart from word of mouth, looking at quantities sold, feedback in reviews/forums.
Basically, it boils down to 'consumer testing'
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Here's a bit more related information found buried deep in documents here: http://www.usb.org/developers/devclass_docs
The USB2.0 specifications for current output say the maximum current is limited to 1.8A, while USB3.0 has a maximum current limit of 5A
Hopefully, USB3.0 will quickly become a new standard for portable devices.
more questions!
First of all, let me please thank you for responding and being so thorough with your answers! There is so much information out there, and in my 22 years of existence, I cannot for the life of me sort through the sheer amount of data. I do greatly enjoy reading every little thing that is posted, especially in this thread because I think it's super important to understand the electronics that we interact with.
sonicfishcake said:
I bought one of those 2amp double chargers from a seller on Amazon. It wasn't really cheap either (in cost anyway- I spent a bit more hoping it would be higher quality). After plugging in my MotoRAZR and the wife's lumia the charger popped and some plastic from the housing of the charger flew across the room! Thankfully both phones were fine.
I wondered whether both phones tried to pull more than the charger could handle and the charger had poor quality circuitry.
Since then, I've only ever bought branded official replacement chargers (Motorola, Samsung etc). I'd happily mix and match them to the phones but I'd be wary of buying a no name Chinese jobby from Ebay or Amazon marketplace.
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My concern with this is that if Motorola or Samsung does put out a product less than optimal, would we all know? Another way of asking this is how do we know that Apple/Motorola/Samsung/Lenovo does produce superior products and it's not merely a matter of advertisement or brand image? Do you think there is a way to know, as a consumer, that even third party products are becoming more competitive, given that smaller companies have much harder time advertising and building a name/brand for themselves? (if you can't tell, I am rooting for the little guys because I may one day work for the little guys)
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Most batteries can discharge a lot faster than they can recharge, but with LiPo, the difference is getting smaller.
Batteries used to need trickle charging as if you charge fast they would get hot, which causes the chemicals inside to expand(think like a fizzy drink, pour it fast and it will overflow) causing the battery to burst, exposing nasty chemicals.
New technology means the charger can accurately monitor how fast we fill the battery, without letting it get too hot, and also the way it is filled(as with the fizzy drink, pour down the side of a glass rather than straight to the bottom and you will fill the glass faster, with less chance of it over-spilling)
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Thank you for clarifying for us. Would you happen to know if there are specifics to recharge specs, short of finding me published papers on the technology? What you said is definitely what I've been reading from the Internet and I do trust you, just would help me have greater peace of mind with my nice and shiny devices,,,
skally said:
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Unfortunately, industry is full of products made to a budget, usually by using cheaper components/designs(the charger for the ASUS TF101 was renowned for failing), so there is no foolproof way of determining 'quality' apart from word of mouth, looking at quantities sold, feedback in reviews/forums.
Basically, it boils down to 'consumer testing'
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Here's a bit more related information found buried deep in documents here: http://www.usb.org/developers/devclass_docs
The USB2.0 specifications for current output say the maximum current is limited to 1.8A, while USB3.0 has a maximum current limit of 5A
Hopefully, USB3.0 will quickly become a new standard for portable devices.
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A quick question, just because USB3.0 should allow up to 25W, that doesn't mean that it's the standard for devices, does it? As in Nexus 10 probably can only draw 10W, even if my computer (which although stated is USB3.0) may not have the circuitry behind it to allow for such a draw? I'm a little iffy on the whole implementation of USB standards. Because if USB2.0 has draw of up to 9W, I haven't seen this from my laptop or any devices claiming to have USB2.0 ports,,,
but then again, I may be paranoid. Just trying to line up my experience with theory!
Thank you all for so much support and enthusiasm. Any chance we'll see this on a top thread somewhere?
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A quick question, just because USB3.0 should allow up to 25W, that doesn't mean that it's the standard for devices, does it? As in Nexus 10 probably can only draw 10W, even if my computer (which although stated is USB3.0) may not have the circuitry behind it to allow for such a draw? I'm a little iffy on the whole implementation of USB standards. Because if USB2.0 has draw of up to 9W, I haven't seen this from my laptop or any devices claiming to have USB2.0 ports,,,
but then again, I may be paranoid. Just trying to line up my experience with theory!
Thank you all for so much support and enthusiasm. Any chance we'll see this on a top thread somewhere?
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If the Nexus kernel says the limit is 2A then that's it. It cant use more power.
Have you seen the internal USB 3.0 cable?
It's at least twice as thick as a USB 2.0 cable, I got a new chassi for my computer last week, with a couple 2.0 and a 3.0 USB front port.
And if your motherboard's built for USB 3.0, I'm pretty sure it can take the current. Otherwise there would be no meaning of adding 3.0 support.
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If something is listed as a USB3 port, it must be up to USB3 certifications. Otherwise the manufacturer of the device is liable for a huge lawsuit if issues arise. If something says USB3 that doesnt mean it IS drawing 25w though, just that the port is capable of having 25w pulled through it over the USB connector. Same with USB2 and its 9w limit on the spec. Also, plugging a tablet such as this into a computer's USB3 port does not mean it will charge faster or get faster data transfers, since the cable being used and the device are still of the older specification.
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Thank you for clarifying for us. Would you happen to know if there are specifics to recharge specs, short of finding me published papers on the technology? What you said is definitely what I've been reading from the Internet and I do trust you, just would help me have greater peace of mind with my nice and shiny devices,,,
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Have a look here for info on the recharging process for Lithium based cells.
https://sites.google.com/site/tjinguytech/charging-how-tos/the-charging-process
It is worth noting the level of precautions taken while charging the cells aggressively. You really don't need a bucket of sand on standby when you plug your phone in to it's charger
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A quick question, just because USB3.0 should allow up to 25W, that doesn't mean that it's the standard for devices, does it? As in Nexus 10 probably can only draw 10W, even if my computer (which although stated is USB3.0) may not have the circuitry behind it to allow for such a draw? I'm a little iffy on the whole implementation of USB standards. Because if USB2.0 has draw of up to 9W, I haven't seen this from my laptop or any devices claiming to have USB2.0 ports,,,
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There are actually 2 different current limits for each USB specification: USB2.0 has 0.5A and 1.8A, while USB3.0 has 1.5A and 5.0A
The lower of the current limits is what I would expect to get from a USB port on a computer, while the higher one I would expect to get from a dedicated charger.
I believe the higher current specification was added purely for charging mobile devices, as it is only achieved by adding a resistance across D+ and D-, removing the data transmission capabilities of the port. I don't know if that's practical, or possible with a computer USB port.
I do remember seeing motherboards with ports specifically designed for fast charging, but I haven't got any info on them as yet.
There are also kernels which enable "fast charging" on a PC. Basically it removes the data connection in software and treats any USB connection as if it were plugged into AC. You can charge just as fast on a computer as you can on a wall charger when this feature is enabled in the kernel.
I am using the N10 charger for my Note 2 and it charges bloody fast using this charger. Charging is noticeably faster on Note 2 than the stock 1A charger that came with the Note.
Battery is not getting warm and battery temps are similar to those on 1A charger. Basically its cutting the charging time in almost half.
Agreed. Note 2 charger is awesome. Bought a powergen 3.1 amp car charger for the note 2 also after watching videos and reading up on proper car chargers for the phone. Guess I can use it for my nexus 10 too.
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I own RC cars with lipo batteries and rule of thumb is total mah divide by 1000 = the Max amp charger you can use. So a 2100mah battery can be charged with a 2.1A charger.
On that note I charge my Samsung s3 that has a 2100mah battery with a 2.1A car charger without any issue.
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I used the N10's charger to charge my iPod Nano 3rd gen, no problem
Hey guys, while this information may be redundant to some, this is my first 2A charging phone having come from a GS2. A few note's i thought i'd share about fully utilizing the maximum charging of this phone. Using Elixer app, i was able to determine a few tips when charging
CABLE LENGTH MATTERS
I went out and bought some nice long monoprice cables, 10' and 15', i hated the feeling of being sucked to the nearest wall when you wanted to charge and use your phone. Plugged it into my nice new S4 wall port with a 10' cable, and checked the amperage being sucked in, to my surprise it was no where near the 1900mA max i should be getting. Went to the 15', even lower current (duh, for those who weren't able to put that together), went back to my 6' cable, boom, back up to 1900mA.
TLDR: 6' max for maximum charging
PAY ATTENTION TO 3rd PARTY SPECS
often times these specs are misleading on amazon and such. Often times you will see a 2A car charger with two ports! Awesome, but sadly each port is usually rated for 1A each. This will not be enough to output a full 1.9A (1900mA) for your device. You need to look for 3.1A rated two port items (2.1A and 1A port), or 2/2.1A output for single port chargers, or for true dual charging, a 4.2A rated with each port rated for 2.1A. They do exist.
Also, pay attention to whether the device is iPAD (or any dumb iDevice) certified or marketed to the iCommunitiy. Often times even though the dual port chargers with the 2.1 and a 1 amp port, the 2.1 amp port does NOT have the correct data ports shorted out. What this means is how the phone detects the power source. When you hook your phone up to a computer, there are channels in the USB cable that tell the phone it will be using data, this then limits the amount of power it will draw. The iPAD chargers are set up this way where the data ports are not shorted out, so your phone will not suck the full amount of power. To bypass this, you either need 'CHARGING ONLY' USB cables, which short out this channel for you, or you need to mod the charger with some light soldering. Often times i find this iPAD issue on the ones rated for 2.1A, the 2A chargers generally do not have this issue (just a generalization on the marketing of the chargers, not a fact)
do some reading on the spec's before you blast the product, i hate it when people bash it when they buy the wrong thing and it's their own fault for not taking the time to research it. And if it's not clear, don't buy it!
Ok, that's all i have for now, hopefully this helped some people out there. make sure you do your reading before you write up posts about your phone charging slow, or bash a product you bought because you didnt understand what it was truly designed for.
Hey all,
I've been using my N10 for a week now and am wondering why and if it's normal for the tablet to require 8+ hours to recharge?
I'm plugging it into the wall using a generic USB cable and non-Samsung power block. Should that matter at all?
Signed 'confused...'
Yes, the charger matters. The stock wall charger is at 2Amps, while a normal USB connection is at 0.5Amps, for example. All devices will charge more slowly on lower amperages, but since the battery of the Nexus 10 is so huge (9000mAh - about double your average laptop), charging it from 0 to 100 will be dreadfully slow, if you're not using a proper charger.
1. Are there other wall chargers with higher Amp output that are safe to use w/ the N10?
2. Is there any long term damage to the battery using a higher or lower Amp charger?
Another issue is if the charger is made for an Apple product it doesn't short the data pins so the Nexus doesn't see it as a high amperage power supply and only pulls .5 amps.
Use the OEM Samsung charger or get one of these:
Ventev r2200 AC Travel Charger, Dual 2A USB Port 110-220v With MicroUSB Cable
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BSC7FW0/ref=cm_sw_r_an_am_ap_am_us?ie=UTF8
And if you want a it to charge even faster, use a pogo cable.
Original Pogo Cable for Google Nexus 10 (25% Faster Charge) - MAGNECTOR
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00D7NZLK6/ref=cm_sw_r_an_am_ap_am_us?ie=UTF8
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garberfc said:
1. Are there other wall chargers with higher Amp output that are safe to use w/ the N10?
2. Is there any long term damage to the battery using a higher or lower Amp charger?
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Higher than 2.1 amps? Not commercially that I'm aware of, though you could always jerry rig some contraption to deliver more.
The problem is, however, that the device will not draw the extra power. A device will draw the power it can use, and no more. I haven't tested what the draw is on my Nexus 10, but on my Note 2, it never draws more than 1.8 amps (although that reading may be a little inflated and it really only draws 1.5 amps). I suspect it's more or less the same with the N10 and the stock USB cable and Samsung 2.0 amp charger. So if you went nuts and jerry rigged a 50 amp power supply to the device, it would still only draw 1.5 amps.
Note that the draw can be affected by the USB cable you use. I've seen some USB cables draw less than 500mA where the stock Samsung USB cable draws 1.8 amps.
Bottom line is that you're not going to find a wall charger above 2.1 amps as far as I know, and even if you did, it wouldn't charge the Nexus 10 any faster. The problem is what you identified in your original post -- using some plain vanilla 500mA (0.5 amp) micro USB charger that you've had lying around the house for the past several years and assuming that it should charge just as well as the stock Samsung charger. It won't, as you discovered -- the N10 will only draw about a third of what it's capable of drawing from such a charger.
Be careful buying 2.0/2.1 amp chargers from Amazon or wherever, particularly if they're identified as Samsung chargers. They're almost always counterfeit, and no better than the 500mA chargers I mentioned above.
You might also want to look into the POGO charger cable because it allows the Nexus 10 to draw virtually the full 2.0 amps from the charger rather than 1.5.
JasW said:
Higher than 2.1 amps? Not commercially that I'm aware of, though you could always jerry rig some contraption to deliver more.
The problem is, however, that the device will not draw the extra power. A device will draw the power it can use, and no more. I haven't tested what the draw is on my Nexus 10, but on my Note 2, it never draws more than 1.8 amps (although that reading may be a little inflated and it really only draws 1.5 amps). I suspect it's more or less the same with the N10 and the stock USB cable and Samsung 2.0 amp charger. So if you went nuts and jerry rigged a 50 amp power supply to the device, it would still only draw 1.5 amps.
Note that the draw can be affected by the USB cable you use. I've seen some USB cables draw less than 500mA where the stock Samsung USB cable draws 1.8 amps.
Bottom line is that you're not going to find a wall charger above 2.1 amps as far as I know, and even if you did, it wouldn't charge the Nexus 10 any faster. The problem is what you identified in your original post -- using some plain vanilla 500mA (0.5 amp) micro USB charger that you've had lying around the house for the past several years and assuming that it should charge just as well as the stock Samsung charger. It won't, as you discovered -- the N10 will only draw about a third of what it's capable of drawing from such a charger.
Be careful buying 2.0/2.1 amp chargers from Amazon or wherever, particularly if they're identified as Samsung chargers. They're almost always counterfeit, and no better than the 500mA chargers I mentioned above.
You might also want to look into the POGO charger cable because it allows the Nexus 10 to draw virtually the full 2.0 amps from the charger rather than 1.5.
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Listen to this guy.
@JasW - Wow, thanks for the information / education. It makes a LOT more sense now.
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@Gearhead_ENG - Thanks for the links! I'm going to go home and scrounge through all my old chargers and see if I have more 2Amp chargers. If not, I'll be following the links again to purchase...
hello;
i have just bought LG G2 (F320L), i have noticed that if i charge the phone with a charger having 1amp output specification it charges rapidly.
So the question is that what charger output specifuication is best for Lg G2 which may charge the phone rapidly but does not damage the battery.
U can use a 16a charger if u want. The charging circuits in the phone handles the input so max the phone will use is 1.6a. It's li-po cells the phone has som advance circuits handling the balance charging of the cells. Recommended is 2a charger but don't forget the cable.
If u use a chappy cheap cable it won't go above 0,3a use a premium and u whill have a 1.6a charge. 1a is to little and to slow.
The phone handles the power to optimize the charging so don't be afraid to use a powerful charger just make sure it's 5v and above 1.6a. If u bye a 1.6 the charger itself will be on max load and generate a lot of heat with could damage the charger and the phone so go with 2a and a premium cable
I'm pretty sure the post above's first reference was meant to say 1.6A and not 16a (the second reference was corrected). 16A wouldn't necessarily hurt the phone actually since current aka amperage is pulled and not pushed - the device would still only take what it needs as long as the 5VDC is solid.
Anyway, enough rudimentary electronics and electrical theory...
Any modern USB wall charger will work with the G2 without issues, obviously if you can get and use one that provides a higher level of amperage/current it will charge the G2 faster up to about 1.6A as mentioned above. The factory charger included with G2 smartphones is designed to provide 1.8A but the G2 won't necessarily pull that much - the .2A is a little headroom and the charger doesn't "stress" as much to provide the 1.6A.
Lower amperage/current chargers just mean it takes longer to charge the G2, basically. As it has a 3,000 mAh (that's 3A for the record) that basically means with a 1.6A charger attached and the device powered off and charging exclusively you'll get a full charge in just under 2 hours from a near-empty state - if there's a charge on it already then it'll charge at roughly 1% every 2-3 minutes, maybe a touch more if the G2 is powered on and charging.
Either way, again, any modern charger will be fine. Try to get at least a 1A model from whoever, and avoid really cheap ones that can't do 1A minimum. If it's a brand name charger (Apple, Samsung, LG, Motorola, BlackBerry, etc) you'll be fine.
maydayind said:
U can use a 16a charger if u want. The charging circuits in the phone handles the input so max the phone will use is 1.6a. It's li-po cells the phone has som advance circuits handling the balance charging of the cells. Recommended is 2a charger but don't forget the cable.
If u use a chappy cheap cable it won't go above 0,3a use a premium and u whill have a 1.6a charge. 1a is to little and to slow.
The phone handles the power to optimize the charging so don't be afraid to use a powerful charger just make sure it's 5v and above 1.6a. If u bye a 1.6 the charger itself will be on max load and generate a lot of heat with could damage the charger and the phone so go with 2a and a premium cable
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thank u for quick reply...
br0adband said:
I'm pretty sure the post above's first reference was meant to say 1.6A and not 16a (the second reference was corrected). 16A wouldn't necessarily hurt the phone actually since current aka amperage is pulled and not pushed - the device would still only take what it needs as long as the 5VDC is solid.
Anyway, enough rudimentary electronics and electrical theory...
Any modern USB wall charger will work with the G2 without issues, obviously if you can get and use one that provides a higher level of amperage/current it will charge the G2 faster up to about 1.6A as mentioned above. The factory charger included with G2 smartphones is designed to provide 1.8A but the G2 won't necessarily pull that much - the .2A is a little headroom and the charger doesn't "stress" as much to provide the 1.6A.
Lower amperage/current chargers just mean it takes longer to charge the G2, basically. As it has a 3,000 mAh (that's 3A for the record) that basically means with a 1.6A charger attached and the device powered off and charging exclusively you'll get a full charge in just under 2 hours from a near-empty state - if there's a charge on it already then it'll charge at roughly 1% every 2-3 minutes, maybe a touch more if the G2 is powered on and charging.
Either way, again, any modern charger will be fine. Try to get at least a 1A model from whoever, and avoid really cheap ones that can't do 1A minimum. If it's a brand name charger (Apple, Samsung, LG, Motorola, BlackBerry, etc) you'll be fine.
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thank u for making it clear,
is there any way to measure output of any charger?
i know its not related here but just for fun.:laugh:
currently i am charging my G2 with 1A charger but it takes so long to reach 100% charge, may be about more than 4 hours.
Actually I meant 16a.... Just get a 2a charger and not a cheap one.. Expect to pay 20$
maydayind said:
Actually I meant 16a.... Just get a 2a charger and not a cheap one.. Expect to pay 20$
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hmm.. u are right.
one should go for original branded charger not chinese one..:laugh:
askfriends said:
hmm.. u are right.
one should go for original branded charger not chinese one..:laugh:
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Once I ordered a 2a charger from China.. Output was 200mah and it almost melted. 2$
U can measure how mouth the charger provide.
Easy way is to use a app in you phone. But not 100% accurate.
Hard and accurate way is to use a USB extender cable that u cut the + cable and use a ampere meter. But u have to use a high end cable for that and u don't want to cut a perfect god cable in half
So I recommend this app https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.manor.currentwidget
maydayind said:
Once I ordered a 2a charger from China.. Output was 200mah and it almost melted. 2$
U can measure how mouth the charger provide.
Easy way is to use a app in you phone. But not 100% accurate.
Hard and accurate way is to use a USB extender cable that u cut the + cable and use a ampere meter. But u have to use a high end cable for that and u don't want to cut a perfect god cable in half
So I recommend this app https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.manor.currentwidget
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thank u so much for this tip, i am going to test it now..