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I hope someone can help explain my S4's odd behavior. I'll try to be brief but give enough details for the experts to get an idea.
- The phone discharges to about 30% and then either turns off or starts to bootloop or just behaves weirdly by closing processes and apps making it unusable
- Once fully charged, it'll finally boot again almost normally but first I have to go into recovery and wipe partition and after various attempts it'll finally boot. Its behavior will be normal and everything will function perfectly well until it goes back down to about 30% charge again
- There are 2 things to rule-out: battery and rom. The battery is brand new and 100% original because I've already changed it thinking that it was the culprit. I'm currently using AOSP 4.4 rom but the behavior is the same with any rom even stock roms
- I can't get it serviced because thanks to the new bootloader my warranty is void
Any suggestions?
USB board/port. Replace it first. Given it's quick/cheap/easy to do on the S2, I think you'll find it's the same on the S4. Search online & here for details/the service manuals which might be useful. You could also pay a local mobile repair shop to do it, but why pay them 3-5x (or more) what the part costs in labour to do it when you can do it yourself ?
Thanks! Will try that and will def do it myself:good:. Am pretty familiar with hardware. I too think at this stage that it's a hardware issue
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USB board/port. Replace it first. Given it's quick/cheap/easy to do on the S2, I think you'll find it's the same on the S4. Search online & here for details/the service manuals which might be useful. You could also pay a local mobile repair shop to do it, but why pay them 3-5x (or more) what the part costs in labour to do it when you can do it yourself ?
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Just out of curiosity, why do you think it's the usb port? I have to say that it crossed my mind once as well because on a few rare occasions I had problems charging my phone as if the usb cable or port was defective. My PC at times has also had problems recognizing my galaxy when plugged in, but only very rarely so I didn't make much of it
The charging issues you've had, another battery not solving those issues, and the auto shutdowns/auto bootloops for no reason have always been symptomatic of the USB board/port on the fritz on the S2 and the S3 (saw so many of these in S2 Q&A this year particularly), just sounds a lot like it. Put it this way, if it's not, it's something much worse hardware-wise, but I think you'll find the easy fix will resolve it in this case.
My SGS4 recently stopped working - basically what happened was that it doesn't seem to be drawing power from the battery. The phone will turn on when plugged in (but soon power off), and will show as charging when first plugged into charger (but not charge). However if I unplug it, it won't turn on.
The phone is rooted, and running a custom, Samsung based ROM.
I have tried using a different battery, and the stock battery fully charged with an external charger - and the phone still won't turn on. It's clearly a hardware related issue - drawing current from the battery. I've also tried turning the phone on in download mode, and recovery mode. Both of which do the same as a standard boot - ie. turn on for a while, then turn off.
The phone, being only about 6 months old, was still within warranty period, so I took the phone to Telstra. Not surprisingly, Telstra have said that as there is a Custom ROM on the phone, the warrant is voided. I stated that my understanding is that under Australian law, as it is a hardware fault, and not a fault caused by the ROM, the warranty still stands - however Telstra wouldn't budge and said I have 5 days to decide if I want to pay the $300+ for the repair.
What is my next course of action? Has anybody had a similar issue previously? Is the TIO the next port of call? Or should I be going to NSW Department of Fair Trading?
I'm sure I've read previously that phones are still covered under warranty after rooting etc, if it can be shown that it's a hardware fault, not a software fault. As the battery doesn't seem to be powering the phone, this clearly seems to be the case - esp. as it is the same in download mode and recovery mode.
Any help would be great. Please don't post pointing out that I rooted my phone so THAT's my own fault etc. These posts aren't helpful, I already have know that.
is it too late to throw the original Telstra ROM on it and take it back to another store? If you were careful you would still be on the old bootloader, so there shouldn't be any KNOX concerns.
Thanks for the response.
It may not be too late, however I cannot flash it, as the phone won't stay on for more than a second or two. Even in download mode.
I was on the old bootloader, yes. So knox is fine.
abbaskip said:
Thanks for the response.
It may not be too late, however I cannot flash it, as the phone won't stay on for more than a second or two. Even in download mode.
I was on the old bootloader, yes. So knox is fine.
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Thats good to hear that your still on oldbootloader but the problem still will remain if you cant do something about it. Can you pls pull the battery out for atleast 5 to 10 minutes to let it settle abit and put it back after. Thanks
Edit: Would you mind checking your battery Serial S/N if it starts with BD ? thank you.
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I am not too sure about Australian law but under EU law you are fine. This does not however apply to the rest of the world.
Either way if you have rooted outisde EU you are pretty much done for (unless there is a law). its extremely hard to prove that your rooting / apps or whatever you have on it has not caused the Hardware fault.
I understand that it is battery not charging etc, is there anyway while phone is connected directly to mains to flash it from usb card? if you could do this and 'unroot' the phone it should be stock or give you enough to trick kies into allowing you to update?
Its a pity you cannot power it through your PC and enter download mode and flash.. (or can you?)
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Thats good to hear that your still on oldbootloader but the problem still will remain if you cant do something about it. Can you pls pull the battery out for atleast 5 to 10 minutes to let it settle abit and put it back after. Thanks
Edit: Would you mind checking your battery Serial S/N if it starts with BD ? thank you.
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Hi,
It's definitely no fault of the battery. I've tried various batteries, left the phone without a battery for days etc. (See this thread for details of this issue: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2581229&page=2)
Battery serial starts AA.
A|ex said:
I am not too sure about Australian law but under EU law you are fine. This does not however apply to the rest of the world.
Either way if you have rooted outisde EU you are pretty much done for (unless there is a law). its extremely hard to prove that your rooting / apps or whatever you have on it has not caused the Hardware fault.
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I think that's the issue here. Basically a big company taking advantage of the small man. They have the upper hand, they know it, so they force you to pay.
It has to be a hardware fault, based on all of the behaviour (ie. phone booting in all modes - but dying in a handful of seconds), but it's easy for them to wash their hands of the warrant, by saying I modified the device - even if it is irrelevant to the problem.
I understand that it is battery not charging etc, is there anyway while phone is connected directly to mains to flash it from usb card? if you could do this and 'unroot' the phone it should be stock or give you enough to trick kies into allowing you to update?
Its a pity you cannot power it through your PC and enter download mode and flash.. (or can you?)
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Unfortunately not. Even when the phone powers up, it shows 0% and shuts down very soon after. If I plug it into the PC, then turn it on, it powers up and again turns off not long after. This same behaviour carries across to download mode and recovery mode. ie. It boots, but then dies within a few seconds.
Think I'll complain to the ombudsman.
Based on the Australian law, the ombudsman can assist as follows:
The TIO has jurisdiction to investigate complaints about faulty mobile handsets where the handset is supplied as part of a contractual relationship, between the TIO Member carrier or carriage service provider and the complainant, which involves the provision of a carriage service to be accessed via that handset.
The TIO does not have jurisdiction to investigate complaints where the customer supplies the handset (i.e. they have purchased it outright and separately from their purchase of network services), or where the initial contract has expired and the customer retains and continues to use the handset. Where appropriate, the TIO will refer out-of-jurisdiction complaints to the relevant Department of Fair Trading or Consumer Affairs.
This position statement does not relate to any manufacturer's warranty. The TIO will investigate complaints about faulty handsets provided as part of a bundled service, even where the initial handset warranty period may have expired.
Under the TIO's Operational Guidelines the TIO will only investigate complaints about faulty handsets where the fault is caused by an inherent defect or otherwise and is not caused by misuse by the customer. The TIO may also decline to investigate a complaint where a customer has not produced a handset for inspection/assessment after being asked to do so by their provider or the TIO.
As the defect was not caused by myself - as the rooting and custom software did not lead to the hardware defect, I believe it falls under the TIO jurisdiction.
As a long shot would a juice pack for a S4 work such as a morphie as you can charge and also sync? (not sure if the phone uses the pack or whether the pack is used to charge the battery, if the latter it will not work for you)
or maybe a mains powered dock and usb cable to PC?
Given TIO is able to look at something like this as the handset is bundled, go to them. Better them than CA/FT/whomever, as TIO is the specialist industry body.
Or....This sounds like it may be a simple USB board/port failure which is quick/easy/cheap (maybe 15 bucks) to replace yourself. You could always try that, and if that doesn't end up being the issue then go the TIO route.
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Given TIO is able to look at something like this as the handset is bundled, go to them. Better them than CA/FT/whomever, as TIO is the specialist industry body.
Or....This sounds like it may be a simple USB board/port failure which is quick/easy/cheap (maybe 15 bucks) to replace yourself. You could always try that, and if that doesn't end up being the issue then go the TIO route.
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I don't believe it's a usb port failure, as fully charged batteries haven't worked. It's not the USB port that's issue, but that the phone isn't drawing current from the battery.
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As a long shot would a juice pack for a S4 work such as a morphie as you can charge and also sync? (not sure if the phone uses the pack or whether the pack is used to charge the battery, if the latter it will not work for you)
or maybe a mains powered dock and usb cable to PC?
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What's a juice pack?
I have a dock, bit it has the same issue as charging direct - the phone turns off after about one second
So the latest news – I tried to phone the store again and this Telstra Shop NEVER answer their phone – I have their direct local line, given to me by the Telstra Call Centre, and even tried calling them as I walked through the door – as I'd tried calling throughout the day with no answer. The phone on the desks rang, and was ignored by staff who were standing around having a conversation. Sure explains why they weren't answering the phone throughout the day! So anyway, after not getting through to the store, I called the Telstra Call Centre again, explained the situation, and that I was quoted ~$350 for the quote. The operator looked into it, put me into someone who was escalating the case. After a short chat, the person said they'd call me back after speaking to the tech, getting all the details etc etc. Long story short, they call me back and gave me a waiver code. Said that I can request the store repair the phone, and give that waiver which will mean I'm not charged.
I went into the Telstra store this evening (which is after I kept trying to call them all day as above), and told them the situation. They didn't understand why I was telling them, and said I needed to tell the tech centre – who they can't provide contact number for (and who had told me when giving me the quote to respond to the store within 5 working days). Eventually a guy that knew what he was doing explained to my staff member that he just needed to email/message the tech responsible, provide the waiver and confirm to go ahead with repairs.
Now I've just got to wait for the call saying my phone is ready to be picked up Hopefully they don't stuff that up!!
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So the latest news – I tried to phone the store again and this Telstra Shop NEVER answer their phone – I have their direct local line, given to me by the Telstra Call Centre, and even tried calling them as I walked through the door – as I'd tried calling throughout the day with no answer. The phone on the desks rang, and was ignored by staff who were standing around having a conversation. Sure explains why they weren't answering the phone throughout the day! So anyway, after not getting through to the store, I called the Telstra Call Centre again, explained the situation, and that I was quoted ~$350 for the quote. The operator looked into it, put me into someone who was escalating the case. After a short chat, the person said they'd call me back after speaking to the tech, getting all the details etc etc. Long story short, they call me back and gave me a waiver code. Said that I can request the store repair the phone, and give that waiver which will mean I'm not charged.
I went into the Telstra store this evening (which is after I kept trying to call them all day as above), and told them the situation. They didn't understand why I was telling them, and said I needed to tell the tech centre – who they can't provide contact number for (and who had told me when giving me the quote to respond to the store within 5 working days). Eventually a guy that knew what he was doing explained to my staff member that he just needed to email/message the tech responsible, provide the waiver and confirm to go ahead with repairs.
Now I've just got to wait for the call saying my phone is ready to be picked up Hopefully they don't stuff that up!!
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Congrats on the Win! but i bet they will slap you in the face with KNOX
You mean they'll put me on the new BL? Yes, I'm sure of it. Tech centres always do a factory reset and load the latest firmware. They give you a warranty on the repair, so they ensure all is stock.
If you mean they will refuse to repair because of knox, I'm confident they won't. I'm on the old BL, and even so I've been given the quote and waiver for the quote already.
My phone has been returned in working order. Of course, Telstra being Telstra, I was told that they couldn't add the waiver at the shop, so we would be billed, and then have to apply for a credit.
Oh, and they've updated to a Knox enabled ROM obviously but that was expected
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So last week my N910F (rooted) ran down to 20% battery and so i put it on charge, thought nothing of it, A couple hours later the phone was dead, extremely hot to touch and just a blank screen with no charging lights, So i unplugged the charger removed the battery and let it cool for about 10 mins, when i put it back together it refused to turn on, tried both recovery and download modes but still nothing tried different chargers and still no lights, nothing. took it back to my local O2 shop to see if i could send it off for repair.
Got home this evening and O2 had kindly returned my phone to my home address, with a letter saying the following -
Thank you for sending us your phone to be fixed.
One of our engineers, has tested your phone and found that unauthorised rework has been carried out on the phone. Unfortunately, this prevents us from repairing it and we are, therefore returning your phone un-repaired.
well after reading this my heart sank and i was guessing i would have to make a insurance claim and hope my insurance would somehow replace it.
I then noticed on inspection of the phone, there was for some reason a new charging cable included with the phone!!!?. I looked a bit further and noticed they had taken the phone apart and it seems they have replaced the charging port, the battery also looks brand new and there isnt a scratch on it (I had previously marked it) So it seems they have indeed carried out some work, So i plugged it into the charger and guess what, it now works fine!!!!!!!!
So thank you very much O2 repair centre!! Im guessing they had to fix it first before they could test if it was rooted or not!!! their letter was a bit confusing though!! :laugh: :laugh:
Congratulations
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Does anybody find it weird that o2 would fix mjw2k11's Note 4 only to send it back to him saying that they couldn't fix it because he had messed around with the firmware? Anyway I'm glad that you managed to get your Note 4 fixed.
i dont find it weird. It wont turn on right. but 'O2' wont repair if anyone modify's their phone. So they want to turn it on to see if it has been modified & unofficial but they cant even do that yet. The logical thing for them is to try to get it to boot up, which they did by changing a battery or fixing inside. (which solved the OP's problem). O2 then see's that Knox counters been tripped & they dont do anything further & send it back to the owner. Happy & lucky he is
Hi. Hope someone could kindly help me!
My Note 3 is not turning off the lock screen. Its always on!!. If I press the power button the lock screen comes on, after few seconds it quickly flickers (like its trying to close) but turns on again. Its ongoing loop. I have resetted it dozen of times, factory reset now as well but issue remains. I just cant turn the screen off!
It also doesnt want to charge all the time. Is this a USB port issue? I hate to think I need to send it to EE for repairs as its over 1,5 years old and will take at least 2 weeks I think... (cost?)....
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Hi. Hope someone could kindly help me!
My Note 3 is not turning off the lock screen. Its always on!!. If I press the power button the lock screen comes on, after few seconds it quickly flickers (like its trying to close) but turns on again. Its ongoing loop. I have resetted it dozen of times, factory reset now as well but issue remains. I just cant turn the screen off!
It also doesnt want to charge all the time. Is this a USB port issue? I hate to think I need to send it to EE for repairs as its over 1,5 years old and will take at least 2 weeks I think... (cost?)....
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Hai,,
Samsung have 2 year warranty within Europe and I dont know outside of Europe, sorry.
But for the phone, if you know that phone havnt been water damaged there shouldn't be any problem, (ALOT) of the Note 3 is water damaged today so be careful with that...same goes if your phone is rooted, could end up paying for the repairs instead.
Phonewise: Broken PBA/powerbutton and a bad USB port..
Hi Im in UK.
However there is absolutely no water damage at all. Its been very well cared for, it looks like brand new including the screen. Thanks
Jaheni said:
Hi Im in UK.
However there is absolutely no water damage at all. Its been very well cared for, it looks like brand new including the screen. Thanks
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Best would be then to find an authorized samsung service center and either call them and explain your problem or just send the phone to them.
And make sure to have your warranty paper near hand. They might ask for it ://
tried using without a Lockscreen?
I mean selecting None instead of PIN, Password or Swipe
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tried using without a Lockscreen?
I mean selecting None instead of PIN, Password or Swipe
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Hi. Yes tried without the lockscreen - same issue. Also with another Lockscreen,,, with no help. The screen just doesnt turn off!
Wonder if its a hardware issue - eg usb port? I tried to clean it the best I can, but doesnt help.
As said Samsung offer a limited 24 months warranty .
But root or custom roms etc will void .
The vendor EE is an alternative but under Sale Of Goods Act you will have to prove that the product should have lasted longer etc via an engineers report .
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This is what I done. I took the Note 3 to Samsungs repair centre. Shortly: they said they probably need change the usb port and screen and will be done by end of day. No calls nothing. Next day I pop in they say its not been done as there is water damage!!! They show pics of corrosion inside the phone, I believe and leave. They quoted fix it outside warranty to £180.
I go to ebay and bought a new usb port for less than fiver. Changed it today, was 15min job. The phone charges ok I think now, but the screen still not turning off!!! Im gutted.
Interestingly I didnt see any sign of that corrosion when replacing the usb... hmmm... cheeky Samsung repair guys? The phone never seen water, believe me.
Any ideas whats next... I cant afford a new phone or buy new screen.
Thanks
Water damage is part of the repair check list and immediately voids warranty .
Not much you can do if you cannot buy a screen .
Plus water damage may be internal damage and not the screen at all .
I do agree with what you say of course. However I never dropped the phone in water. I did buy the explanation of shower mist or something if the phone was nearby, they showed me pics they took inside of the phone: however when open it up this morning I didnt see any of the corrosion. Have I been tricked or am I blind... :/
my phone was just 5 month old since i bought it. I always update my phone. and the problem started (when started to notice) at version 12.0.5 of the update. it won't turn on as it should whenever I restart or shut down then try to open it again. have I ever tried to charge to my phone and wait to be fully charged then open it? YES I wait for it and NO it never charge like it's dead. it wasn't even drained when I turned it off. I tried to open it m, access fastboot mode or recovery mode multiple attempts but in vain. And after some days passed of not charging it, it was drained (literally 0%) and whenever it got a charge, it just turned on by itself. My phone is now at version 12.0.8 and yet the problem to continues and even got worse. just yesterday morning, every apps that use started to crash like in the attached photos. (1st photo- flashlight not available.). I then try to restart it, but it never turn on again until now. I tried to access to recovery and fastboot but still in vain.. PLS HELP
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my phone was just 5 month old since i bought it. I always update my phone. and the problem started (when started to notice) at version 12.0.5 of the update. it won't turn on as it should whenever I restart or shut down then try to open it again. have I ever tried to charge to my phone and wait to be fully charged then open it? YES I wait for it and NO it never charge like it's dead. it wasn't even drained when I turned it off. I tried to open it m, access fastboot mode or recovery mode multiple attempts but in vain. And after some days passed of not charging it, it was drained (literally 0%) and whenever it got a charge, it just turned on by itself. My phone is now at version 12.0.8 and yet the problem to continues and even got worse. just yesterday morning, every apps that use started to crash like in the attached photos. (1st photo- flashlight not available.). I then try to restart it, but it never turn on again until now. I tried to access to recovery and fastboot but still in vain.. PLS HELP
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It's a motherboard error, complaining, cell phone replacement or repair.
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It's a motherboard error, complaining, cell phone replacement or repair.
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is there a chance that the problem only exist in the firmware or a virus causes this? 'cause it never fell off since I bought it (6months ago). but something fell onto it but only caused a tiny bubble on its screen protector and the touchscreen work just fine as it never happens. which do you think is more likely??
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is there a chance that the problem only exist in the firmware or a virus causes this? 'cause it never fell off since I bought it (6months ago). but something fell onto it but only caused a tiny bubble on its screen protector and the touchscreen work just fine as it never happens. which do you think is more likely??
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The cause is unknown. Instead of guess what the cause is, go find Xiaomi repair center to inspect and repair for you.
Make use of Xiaomi warranty.
Backup your stuff, apps, and data. Prepare for factory reset as Xiaomi repair center may erase your personal data.
Don't push your luck assuming firmware or virus cause. Assume hardware issue first, this cannot wait once it pass warranty period deadline. ROM, firmware, software issues can be dealt with later, and can also be dealt by Xiaomi repair center.
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The cause is unknown. Instead of guess what the cause is, go find Xiaomi repair center to inspect and repair for you.
Make use of Xiaomi warranty.
Backup your stuff, apps, and data. Prepare for factory reset as Xiaomi repair center may erase your personal data.
Don't push your luck assuming firmware or virus cause. Assume hardware issue first, this cannot wait once it pass warranty period deadline. ROM, firmware, software issues can be dealt with later, and can also be dealt by Xiaomi repair center.
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but i only bought it online. how can i know if it's warranty is still valid?
RealTiz said:
but i only bought it online. how can i know if it's warranty is still valid?
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Warranty in general is at least 1 year.
The personal in Xiaomi repair center will judge the warranty. There are some conditions that will void the warranty. Check the Xiaomi warranty policy of your country/region yourself.
Warranty only covers the phone model you bought from local country/regions. I.E. phone bought from India will not be covered under warranty in Indonesia, this case, you bring the phone to India and repair it.
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Warranty in general is at least 1 year.
The personal in Xiaomi repair center will judge the warranty. There are some conditions that will void the warranty. Check the Xiaomi warranty policy of your country/region yourself.
Warranty only covers the phone model you bought from local country/regions. I.E. phone bought from India will not be covered under warranty in Indonesia, this case, you bring the phone to India and repair it.
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well my phone was from overseas. Japan I think not sure. is this mean it's warranty wont be valid in the philippines?
RealTiz said:
well my phone was from overseas. Japan I think not sure. is this mean it's warranty wont be valid?
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The repair center in your country will not deal with it.
If you want to repair it, you have to repair in Japan. The warranty is still valid in Japan in this case.
Or you can ask if the Xiaomi repair center in your country willing to repair it if you pay.
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The repair center in your country will not deal with it.
If you want to repair it, you have to repair in Japan. The warranty is still valid in Japan in this case.
Or you can ask if the Xiaomi repair center in your country willing to repair it if you pay.
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okay.. thanks for your recommendation..
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okay.. thanks for your recommendation..
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Did u bough your POCO M3 from Lazada??? I think its a combination of hardware and software problem were almost there same issue bro, i just need to BURN my motherboard just to turning it on.
RealTiz said:
my phone was just 5 month old since i bought it. I always update my phone. and the problem started (when started to notice) at version 12.0.5 of the update. it won't turn on as it should whenever I restart or shut down then try to open it again. have I ever tried to charge to my phone and wait to be fully charged then open it? YES I wait for it and NO it never charge like it's dead. it wasn't even drained when I turned it off. I tried to open it m, access fastboot mode or recovery mode multiple attempts but in vain. And after some days passed of not charging it, it was drained (literally 0%) and whenever it got a charge, it just turned on by itself. My phone is now at version 12.0.8 and yet the problem to continues and even got worse. just yesterday morning, every apps that use started to crash like in the attached photos. (1st photo- flashlight not available.). I then try to restart it, but it never turn on again until now. I tried to access to recovery and fastboot but still in vain.. PLS HELP
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Firstly you need to learn basic formatting because reading your story it's too hard.
If you bought with a credit card, make a complaint to your financial institution and apply for a charge back.
Same goes if you paid with Paypal, but that it's a bit more tricky.
No one will fix your phone because it'll cost more than what you paid for it.