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new app2sd on froyo seem buged...

Sorry for the loing post, bare with me
I have installed FRF50 when it came out, after a few day when doing an update of a few app in the market I had one stuck at installation, even after reboot when I tried to update it again it did the same, after a few cleanup of my download folder and retry all the app that where encrypted in the app2sd folder (not sure of the exact folder name) where not properly decrypted by the OS, at the time I taught nothing of it and reinstalled everything (froyo image + reconfig) to do a fresh start with froyo, I also reformatted my SD card to be on the safe side... and had no issue since then...
Then came FRF72, did the exact same problem yesterday and I was able to restart the SD (if I can say so) after a few reboot.
Today same issue is back, but no go so far, all app that belong to flash are there with a generic icon, they appear on the list of app in the SD section but without their icon, it really look like if the OS is not able to decrypt them (If I understand correctly that was the stupid way google decided to implement some kind of DRM on the flash memory)
I am seriously thinkiing about going back to CM and the old way of EXT4 app2sd, it was working ok...

I've had this occur after upgrading to FRF72, it's probably because the OS didn't manage to detect the apps correctly. To solve it, I just plugged in my USB cable, mounted the SD card and then unmounting it after it showed up correctly as a removable drive on my laptop. After waiting a while for the OS to scan the card (check logcat to verify that apps are indeed being scanned one by one), my apps were back.

Another test...
Rebooted the phone without the SD, then shutdown and reboot with the SD, no change but...
If I connect the USB cable, the computer see the new drive right away (it use to take a few second after enabling the USB sharing) but is is not usable and I see no notification of the USB, that's a really weird bug...
if anybody have some idea, I know from my first encounter with this issue that changing the SD card will not fix this either...

@ Zanglang
Thanks for the sugestion, but the PC doesn't see the card, my terminal was on the flash mem and I can not install new app from market
trying a nandroid from the Recovery now... BAD DROID...

I had a problem on Frf50 with app icons turning generic and disappearing from 3d app rolodex. They were still accessible from the generic icons.
Now on Frf72 and issue seems to have subsided. Everything is where it should be. This time around i only added apps to sd they were allowable to move, i didnt force anything. When i first talked about it a while back i heard it was a bug as well as learned that certain things shouldnt go on the SD altogether. Now that i got that straightened out im good and feel like i learned something. lol

crap, no recovery

SBERG117 said:
I had a problem on Frf50 with app icons turning generic and disappearing from 3d app rolodex. They were still accessible from the generic icons.
Now on Frf72 and issue seems to have subsided. Everything is where it should be. This time around i only added apps to sd they were allowable to move, i didnt force anything. When i first talked about it a while back i heard it was a bug as well as learned that certain things shouldnt go on the SD altogether. Now that i got that straightened out im good and feel like i learned something. lol
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Yeah, the funny part is that I did not move rom manager and I did not move anything like widget etc, I am frustrated by Google stupid way of handling memory extension tho... as for not forcing any app i am fine with the idea however too many app are not updated and it piss me off to go thru all app to move them by hand...
What's the point of encrypting the app moved to SD anyway... I can't believe how stupid this is, I hope Cyanogen will find a way to disable this altogether...

P00r said:
Yeah, the funny part is that I did not move rom manager and I did not move anything like widget etc, I am frustrated by Google stupid way of handling memory extension tho... as for not forcing any app i am fine with the idea however too many app are not updated and it piss me off to go thru all app to move them by hand...
What's the point of encrypting the app moved to SD anyway... I can't believe how stupid this is, I hope Cyanogen will find a way to disable this altogether...
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Well now some of the icons have disappeared again. LOL.
These were all allowable by FRF72. Only one that hasnt changed yet is titanium backup. I tried, thought it was gonna hold.

I managed to do a recovery, I swapped the SD with another one and moved everything from the protected dir of the old card to the new one and all the icon came back.
When checking in the app manager, I noticed a few file marked as flash, I deleted a few and it seem ok but the one in the SD section are still not all there, and some display calculating as in the properties field forever...
So far
Froyo = 7/10 (3 total crash so far all related to the new memory management) since I used the PM setInstallLocation 2 I am not putting 0...
Cyanogen = 9/10
I am really curious to see what he will do with flash memory management!
Now running FRF83 with the first SD untouched, I recovered my nandroid then directly flashed to FRF83 from Paul, all app are there... I am also reverting to setIntallLocation 0 to see if there's improvement...

Having similar issues right now on the latest update with setinstalllocation 2. I guess I have to f around with it to get this to work again. What a pain.
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adb setinstalllocation 2 doesn't seem to do much but make it seem like many apps are actually being installed on the sd card when they are in fact not.
I decided to investigate when I noticed my phone storage at 32mb of internal storage free. Installed flash player. I went to manage applications, installed on sd tab had all 7.7 megs on the sd card. I went to uninstall, the application freed up internal phone storage, all 7.7 megs on uninstall.
I don't believe this method actually does anything useful unless its an app that already allows store to sd.. which is few and far between. Furthermore you don't know what's really an app that supports that now and what isn't because most of the apps now show up in the "on sd" tab of managed applications.
I could be wrong, plan on testing some more soon.. busy for the rest of the day. Will report back

blisk said:
adb setinstalllocation 2 doesn't seem to do much but make it seem like many apps are actually being installed on the sd card when they are in fact not.
I decided to investigate when I noticed my phone storage at 32mb of internal storage free. Installed flash player. I went to manage applications, installed on sd tab had all 7.7 megs on the sd card. I went to uninstall, the application freed up internal phone storage, all 7.7 megs on uninstall.
I don't believe this method actually does anything useful unless its an app that already allows store to sd.. which is few and far between. Furthermore you don't know what's really an app that supports that now and what isn't because most of the apps now show up in the "on sd" tab of managed applications.
I could be wrong, plan on testing some more soon.. busy for the rest of the day. Will report back
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The files are encrypted and placed in .android_secure in the root of the SD card (when I crashed that dir had 350MB size...)
so they are there, but I agree that phone memory still didn't get freed as much as it should as well, I suspect it's the way the OS had to place thumbstone so that they appear in the app manager
Also I noticed that they seem to have some kind of naming convention {com.dooblou.WiFiFileExplorerPRO-2} vs {cn.mobgo.filego-1} where some have -2 and other are -1
either way I reformatted and started again from scratch (well partially, titanium backup is very usefull) this time without forcing usage of the SD card I already feel the pain of having to go thru each and every app to toggle the move to sd and this is when it simply doesn't support the feature yet...
I really think that this app 2 sd implementation sucks big time, oh did I mention that the way google implemented it's memory expansion sucks... Also the way they implemented encryption mean that you could end up with a backup from a broken phone not working on a new phone which is quite something, almost sound like an Apple Feature...
They could have to the very least added a tab in the app manager so that we can easily manage the said so option... and made an external app that could decrypt the app moved to flash for backup purpose

P00r said:
I really think that this app 2 sd implementation sucks big time, oh did I mention that the way google implemented it's memory expansion sucks... Also the way they implemented encryption mean that you could end up with a backup from a broken phone not working on a new phone which is quite something, almost sound like an Apple Feature...
They could have to the very least added a tab in the app manager so that we can easily manage the said so option... and made an external app that could decrypt the app moved to flash for backup purpose
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Yeah it's a pretty terrible implementation. I think eventually it'll be some sort of transparent thing that the user will never see if the app developer enables it but for the time being it blows big time.

Maybe this is why Froyo hasn't yet released.... Wider audience and feedback on A2SD.
I suspect it'll either get fixed or yanked for 2.2.

I had to reinstall all the apps I moved to the SD card.

Had the same problem with FRF76..all of a sudden I couldn't install new apps from the market...soooo, what I did was:
- downgrade to CM5.0.8
- save all of my apps to apps2sd
- deleted app secure folder
- upgrade to rodrigurez r19 rom with older style apps2sd.
- now, I have all my apps n new ones my sd card n yeap..even widgets are working..

khaytsus said:
Maybe this is why Froyo hasn't yet released.... Wider audience and feedback on A2SD.
I suspect it'll either get fixed or yanked for 2.2.
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I hope so, A guy has made a great program to move the app to SD, however on my phone I can move like 10% of all I have installed, I just had to delete co-pilot to be able to install swype
What's weird is that their protected folder system even compress the app, but as far as I am concerned I do not need more space on my SD since almost nothing can be moved there anyway... and even if, I could update my SD as needed...

[Q] Storing data on SD card

Is there a way to store files from programs on the SD card. I am using Co-Pilot GPS and when I install the program on my tablet (from the SD card) it tells me to download the maps. The maps are also on the SD card but Co_pilot can't see them. I had tried to download direct to the tablet but the file is too big for internal memory so I had to download only my state. This has happened with several Apps that I tried to load. Is there a way to redirect the data to the SD and have the program recognise it. Do I need Dexters download??
Thanks,
John

jpsvnh said:
Is there a way to store files from programs on the SD card. I am using Co-Pilot GPS and when I install the program on my tablet (from the SD card) it tells me to download the maps. The maps are also on the SD card but Co_pilot can't see them. I had tried to download direct to the tablet but the file is too big for internal memory so I had to download only my state. This has happened with several Apps that I tried to load. Is there a way to redirect the data to the SD and have the program recognise it. Do I need Dexters download??
Thanks,
John
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Sorry... I don't think anyone has figured out how to get app to work with the SD card yet. eLocity/Stream TV has not addressed the issue. I do believe Dexter is looking into it.
For now I have CoPilot running on my g -tablet, as I don't think it would fit onto my eLocity. You may be able to fit the US maps, but just barely (again just maybe, if the stars align just right). I believe it gives you the option to just download regions or states.
On a device with such little storage available this is a BIG deal!

RojasTKD said:
Sorry... I don't think anyone has figured out how to get app to work with the SD card yet. eLocity/Stream TV has not addressed the issue. I do believe Dexter is looking into it.
For now I have CoPilot running on my g -tablet, as I don't think it would fit onto my eLocity. You may be able to fit the US maps, but just barely (again just maybe, if the stars align just right). I believe it gives you the option to just download regions or states.
On a device with such little storage available this is a BIG deal!
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Does Android have the ability to utilize regular Linux Links? If so, maybe you can install it minimally first with nothing else on the device and then move the directory to the SD card then link to it and add other maps. If that works it would free up local space and allow you to install other apps.

[q] apps and games i have saved on my sd card are not being read on my phone

applications and games ive downloaded and moved to my sd card are not showing in my list of applications. i can not use them at all with the few ways i tried. i cant download apps from the market i hit ok n it doesnt do anything. i cant uninstall apps. i cant install apps ive acquired from other sites. when i go into manage applications and click on any and "all apps" that are saved on my sd card n "on my phone" it will not show the memory used it will just show computing for everything in data and cache. i have learned that if i remove my memory card all apps that are saved to my phone will delete if if i want to delete them with the exception of preinstalled apps. my phone can download and it shows the memory use of applications in the app manager. i have tried i few tricks like signing into google n deleting data n cache from google apps and it worked, however when i shut my phone off then back on it went back to the same problem. i dont remember exactly the steps i took to get it to work because i did follow the steps but then tried a few other things that i cant recall and my phone worked properly with my sd card installed. now i try the same steps i learned but they are not working. i have no idea what to do. my phone is rooted but thats all i have done, i havent manipulated any files or installed any roms. i have however downloaded a few apps for rooted droids one being autostarts and this is where i think i may have went wrong but im not sure. when i downloaded autostarts i went crazy stopping apps that auto start to save battery life but and i dont know if i may have stopped something critical to my phone functioning properly but i cant check because autostarts is saved on my sd card and i my phone wont read apps on my sd card in a way where i can actually use them. so this is my problem i didnt make any back ups i dont want to reformat my sd card or buy a new sd card i dont think that will solve my problem anyway i dont want to wipe my phone because theres just too much on my phone. i just need to learn what i can do to fix this problem. please help n if u can ill buy you a gift on amazon and have it shipped to you or donate to this site if i knew how to do that lol... ill will attach a text doc showing the steps i took that worked for my phone but stopped working after i turned off my phone then turned it back on... p.s. it wouldnt work again because i cant delete data and caches from apps the apps memory use stays stuck on computing

I have a droid 2

sorry for all the typos ive been up for awhile

i havent tried this tip yet that i found because i just dont know what effect it will have on my phone...
THE "FOR ROOTED PHONES ONLY" LIST
(if you have to ask what that is, you probably can't/shouldn't do it)
- Delete the file system/data/data/com.android.providers.settings/databases/settings.db (or, alternatively, the whole /data/data/com.android.providers.settings directory)
- Add an entry to the HOSTS file at system/etc/hosts for android.clients.google.com (IP address for the entry varies per location, I'm in the US and used 74.125.93.113 -- this seems to primarily address proxy issues, which may be encountered by wireless users in China)
this is in the txt.doc i posted. i only did the tips listed under easy list in the txt doc

i think im going to try removing my sd card clearing the data for all the google apps then putting my sd card back in and see if that helps.

nope didnt work... also just a side note when i go into manage applications then click "on sd card" i can see my apps there with no icon logos next to its title but again i cant see its data usage and cache its stuck on computing and i cant see my apps that are installed on my sd card in my list of apps i can only see that the apps are still there when i go into manage applications then click "on sd card"

ok well i was getting really frustrated considering new non android smarthphones new service providers the works lol then i thought for a moment and said hmm maybe i just have to many apps and games saved directly to my phone and my poor phone cant handle anymore. so i removed my sd card turned on my phone and started deleting a few apps to give my phone more memory. i then again turned off my phone inserted my sd card turned on my phone and viola the phone is working properly again. i was binge eating downloads never once considering the memory on my phone smh poor phone lol well i lost the weight and my phone feels great. thanx me hopefully this will help someone else in the future.

smh im still having the same problems i dont event think it was a memory issue because simply deleting content doesnt even get my phone to read my sd card properly can anyone help

smh posting on this site was completely useless just like androids app dependent os

holy novenary post, batman. did you try sbf/factory reset or formatting the sd card?

yup factory reset n still had the same problem, and format sd card heck no are u crazy are u so completely senile youve lost all grasp of reality lol what i did do is put a knew sd card ran everything as normal removed the memory card deleted smdl2tmp1.asec file then installed the memory card ran everything as usual removed that memory card and replaced it with my original memory card with all files in the .asec folder deleted n now it has been working fine.

i think its so awesome that this site can teach you in detail how to void ya warranty in every way but for any actual real maintenance recovery n repair questions its all thumbs

knew = new lol

Internal storage full, says apps=12.25GB

Hello,
an error popped up on my a500, claiming internal storage is almost full. When I press the popup I'm taken to a list of apps where the title claims the same (applications using 12.25GB of 16GB). But I have only downloaded say 20 apps, and when I sum up the space they occupy individualy I don't count any further than <200MB. What can be wrong here? Does media files which belongs to the apps (say NFS game) don't count?
thanks for any help.
Henrik

I have the same problem. Posted here a few days ago. This is a known problem on the zoom as well. No one knows what the cause is so what I did was reset the tablet. :-(

that's a bad problem
try to check with file manager if you see some weird data... inside your tablet.

Also have this problem. Apps showing almost 8GB, which is impossible. Same amount of apps on my Xperia X10, and my internal storage still has plenty of space.
Saw this when I manually upgraded from 3.0.1 to 3.1. Before and after, the app usage still shows almost 8gb.

VoodooBOB said:
Also have this problem. Apps showing almost 8GB, which is impossible. Same amount of apps on my Xperia X10, and my internal storage still has plenty of space.
Saw this when I manually upgraded from 3.0.1 to 3.1. Before and after, the app usage still shows almost 8gb.
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I found out once when I was messing with my tablet that you have an additional setting when you go to manage apps screen. There is also the USB storage section which doesn't get erased when you remove an app so you should not only check how many apps are installed but also if one of the apps uses a big amount of USB storage (like youtube or browser).

Look for very large (or very many medium- to -large) files in /data/tombstones. Best I can tell these files are storage from crashed apps; I've never had any problems arise when I removed them.
For some reason this folder doesn't show when using File Manager HD, so you may need to use Root Explorer (I uninstalled ES File Manager so not sure if it shows up there.)

Give Read/Write access to SdCard storage for 3rd party apps ?

Why does it seem that with every iteration of Android, we have to revisit workarounds to get 3rd party apps the ability to read/write to external storage? What is the point of having up to 200GB of storage for only native apps to use? I'm not even talking about Adoptive Storage, which is an entirely other ridiculousness. A lot of the apps I use have been fortunately been updated to explicitly ask for permission from the OS, but is there a way to just tell Android to give it up to all apps? Particularly those apps that are slow/no to update?
-Thanks
P.S. I fully anticipate needing to revisit this nonsense with Android N

The big issue with adoptable storage and running apps from the SD card is speed. This is why Samsung and LG both left it out. If you use an SD card for adoptable storage the whole system will slow down. Then people complain of long startup times for apps. Not realizing that the issue isn't from Android or the phone but from the SD card. If you want to load apps to the SD card you can. But the trade off is slow load times for those apps.

arsmithsr said:
The big issue with adoptable storage and running apps from the SD card is speed. This is why Samsung and LG both left it out. If you use an SD card for adoptable storage the whole system will slow down. Then people complain of long startup times for apps. Not realizing that the issue isn't from Android or the phone but from the SD card. If you want to load apps to the SD card you can. But the trade off is slow load times for those apps.
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Just speaking for myself, I bought the 64gig extreme and moved all apps that would let me including games. Now if I reboot it takes forever to load up everything. But once everything is loaded and it settles down, I only notice a extremely small lag. Barely noticeable. I think your card read/write has everything to do with it. My racing games play flawless.

Granted you know and can tell and you know you did it. Most wouldn't and then would complain of slow speeds. They would also throw a cheap card in there and then wonder why the phone was so slow. I can see why Manufacturers would not put that functionality in there. I work in IT and see these type of things all the time.

I can understand (and live with) the limitation for adoptable storage. However, I do not understand why 3rd party apps (most of them) cannot even write data to sd card while still installed in the internal memory? Be it editing/saving pictures, saving backups, etc. Some applications can workaround it by opening a dialog where you select the sd card and the app is granted a write access to the selected folder on the card. Bot most other apps cannot do that and then fail on writing data there (some of them fail even on reading)
Anyone knows why this stupid idea was implemented and how to work-around it?

Vitore1 said:
I can understand (and live with) the limitation for adoptable storage. However, I do not understand why 3rd party apps (most of them) cannot even write data to sd card while still installed in the internal memory? Be it editing/saving pictures, saving backups, etc. Some applications can workaround it by opening a dialog where you select the sd card and the app is granted a write access to the selected folder on the card. Bot most other apps cannot do that and then fail on writing data there (some of them fail even on reading)
Anyone knows why this stupid idea was implemented and how to work-around it?
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I think I read that it was done for security reasons but it is really a PITA. No solution for that.

Vitore1 said:
I can understand (and live with) the limitation for adoptable storage. However, I do not understand why 3rd party apps (most of them) cannot even write data to sd card while still installed in the internal memory? Be it editing/saving pictures, saving backups, etc. Some applications can workaround it by opening a dialog where you select the sd card and the app is granted a write access to the selected folder on the card. Bot most other apps cannot do that and then fail on writing data there (some of them fail even on reading)
Anyone knows why this stupid idea was implemented and how to work-around it?
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Security, only say around it is for the app developers to update their apps.
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