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[Q] Galaxy s4 CPU, music and more

B) another question: the octa core version supports 4G LTE doesnt it? or snapdragon has better 4G support?
Snapdragon 600 (1.9ghz speed, 4 cores) or Exynos 5 Octa(4 cores A15, clocked at 1.6ghz+ 4 cores 1.2GHZ A7)
1) what is faster? exynos or snapdragon?
2) which one is more effectively? (battery friendly)? (***in both high-huge use and low-idle use.. in which one battery life are better)
3) there are any benchmarks test for both of them.?
i just dont know which one is better..
Adreno 320 GPU vs PowerVR SGX 544MP3
4) which one is stronger?
5) i really dont know which version should i get.. US version(with 1.9ghz) or international(1.6ghz) their performance are really similar?
6) there is any stronger smartphone out now?
6) will the galaxy s4 have wireless charging?
MUSIC:
7) what about music? is there any quality speakers?
8) headphone will be HD/ very good quality.. ? (like in iPhone 5)?
8)

1) the snapdragon is over clocked so is supposed to be faster in cpu but the exynos won't lack behind.
2) for battery of course the exynos since only 4 cores will be running so if ur doing a low use the A7 will be running which are great for battery life and when you kick it to high use that's when the bug guns A15 come in play.
3)for the exynos no because it is not available yet but for the snapdragon it got the twice score of an iphone 5 so that gives a clear answer.
4)i think that would go to the powerVr since the exynos version is expected to be better in Gpu.
5)that depends on you.
6)of course it will but will be optional.
7) the speakers are supposed to be good than the previous models.
8) i am not sure about that but even if they aren't there are always beats.
hope i gave you a clear answer and if there is anything else you would like to know let me know.

Blackwolf10 said:
1) the snapdragon is over clocked so is supposed to be faster in cpu but the exynos won't lack behind.
2) for battery of course the exynos since only 4 cores will be running so if ur doing a low use the A7 will be running which are great for battery life and when you kick it to high use that's when the bug guns A15 come in play.
3)for the exynos no because it is not available yet but for the snapdragon it got the twice score of an iphone 5 so that gives a clear answer.
4)i think that would go to the powerVr since the exynos version is expected to be better in Gpu.
5)that depends on you.
6)of course it will but will be optional.
7) the speakers are supposed to be good than the previous models.
8) i am not sure about that but even if they aren't there are always beats.
hope i gave you a clear answer and if there is anything else you would like to know let me know.
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thanks for taking your time for answering me
do you think exyons 5 will be overclock-able? i hope we will be able to get 1.8ghz or something without losing battery life or something..

yes i think after rooting and few kernel releases you will be able to overclock the Cpu and maybe also the Gpu but why would you need that the exynos on the galaxy s4 is already going to be a beast and it's expected to be in par with the snapdragon and also your welcome

Actually the Exynos is better in every aspect (battery speed and gpu) clock speeds don't mean anything a15s are faster than krait fullstop
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4 core?, I guess its Octo-core Exynos
Well unless you don't use both of them, you can't figure out which one is better.
May be someone may use and let us know.

well even if the exynos is better in every aspect the biggest advantage would still be low task using so its battery saving so everything else is probably the same or little difference and what do you mean clock speeds don't mean anything ?? have you seen the benchmark difference between the galaxy s4 and the htc one ?? and i know the A155 are better than krait that's why the snapdragon is overclocked
@samsingh02 it is octa core but like 4+4 so the 8 cores will never function together it would be like A7 for the low tasks and the A15 when you are on a heavy task like gaming
anyway the thing is the snapdragon is for 4G network and the exynos for the 3G network end of story.

Blackwolf10 said:
well even if the exynos is better in every aspect the biggest advantage would still be low task using so its battery saving so everything else is probably the same or little difference
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I didn't bother to explain it has been done to much and speed is actually a big factor to make a long story short read this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2191850
and i know the A155 are better than krait that's why the snapdragon is overclocked
@samsingh02 it is octa core but like 4+4 so the 8 cores will never function together it would be like A7 for the low tasks and the A15 when you are on a heavy task like gaming
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That's the while point
anyway the thing is the snapdragon is for 4G network and the exynos for the 3G network end of story.
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Some benchmarks show Exynos having 4g compatibility
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but that would be the galaxy note 2 exynos 4 because the exynos 5 on the galaxy s4 is not out yet the only exynos 5 is on the nexus 10

Blackwolf10 said:
but that would be the galaxy note 2 exynos 4 because the exynos 5 on the galaxy s4 is not out yet the only exynos 5 is on the nexus 10
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Exynos 5 in the nexus 10 is dual core
But the second part
Where did Exynos 4 come from what are u talking about
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i know it's clocked at 1.7 and i was talking about the note 2 i read in the Xda here that it was available on a carrier in the U.S. with the exynos

You can see here which countries will get the octa core version and which countries will get the Snapdragon version
http://goo.gl/EePDg

B) another question: the octa core version supports 4G LTE doesnt it? or snapdragon has better 4G support?

darixtorento said:
B) another question: the octa core version upports 4G LTE doesnt it? or snapdragon has better 4G support?
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Just to butt in, doesn't Exynos octa also have LTE support? I want to know what bands it supports.
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THE i9500 it will be able to overclock?

hello guys just want to know if the OCTA will be able to overclock or... because i want agood phone... or mybe i will wait for the ZTE... with TEGRA 4i CORE should i wait or i get the OCTA CORE? S4?

darkhelio said:
hello guys just want to know if the OCTA will be able to overclock or... because i want agood phone... or mybe i will wait for the ZTE... with TEGRA 4i CORE should i wait or i get the OCTA CORE? S4?
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Yes it will be possible to over clock i read some where may be close to 2.1gh
In my opinion S4 is best in terms of hardware and has max features compare to any phone in the world
You take a call :good:

123hiten said:
Yes it will be possible to over clock i read some where may be close to 2.1gh
In my opinion S4 is best in terms of hardware and has max features compare to any phone in the world
You take a call :good:
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yes but we are talking about the new TEGRA 4.... that use CORTEX A15... to and the S4 at least it has overheating rigth now imagine with overclock it will be a cook station :S

darkhelio said:
yes but we are talking about the new TEGRA 4.... that use CORTEX A15... to and the S4 at least it has overheating rigth now imagine with overclock it will be a cook station :S
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May be its a good device
but as far i know abt using S4 havnt found any issue of heating as i play game like NFS most wanted etc but for abt 15 mins max and get bored and close it
Heating myte be an issue with some faulty pieces i m not sure its not permanent i can say there will be an patch either from XDA Dev or from Samsung
I would say SONY Z gets heated like hell even if browsing or playing for 5 mins
S4 is 100 times better and performance is really fast and good except the Music quality on headphones which can be modded
I have moved to S4 after using Sony Z , HTC Butterfly for 2 week each

123hiten said:
May be its a good device
but as far i know abt using S4 havnt found any issue of heating as i play game like NFS most wanted etc but for abt 15 mins max and get bored and close it
Heating myte be an issue with some faulty pieces i m not sure its not permanent i can say there will be an patch either from XDA Dev or from Samsung
I would say SONY Z gets heated like hell even if browsing or playing for 5 mins
S4 is 100 times better and performance is really fast and good except the Music quality on headphones which can be modded
I have moved to S4 after using Sony Z , HTC Butterfly for 2 week each
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ye sye si know that and i have beeen investigating alot but... we are talking about the TEGRA 4 and Galaxy S4 CPU AND GPU...

so its better to wait the TEGRA 4i?

darkhelio said:
so its better to wait the TEGRA 4i?
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The tegra 4 is based on a quad core A15 processor but the tegra 4i is based on an improved quad core A9 processor. So the Exynos 5 octa is much better.
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TomTheFrench said:
The tegra 4 is based on a quad core A15 processor but the tegra 4i is based on an improved quad core A9 processor. So the Exynos 5 octa is much better.
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ooo rlly? i didnt knew that D: but... amm im a gamer and the GPU is a TRI-COORE... not that good is 3 years old omg... and i play alot of real games i like better graphics better for me

darkhelio said:
ooo rlly? i didnt knew that D: but... amm im a gamer and the GPU is a TRI-COORE... not that good is 3 years old omg... and i play alot of real games i like better graphics better for me
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Yes I play a lot on my phone too and the graphics are amazing on my i9505 (Qualcomm S600). So I think the exynos chip seems to be better ...

Which processor is/should be faster?

Hi I currently have an S3 i9300 and my company requires me to install MobileIron app and encrypt the whole phone; I find this slows down my phone considerably and often times I need to wait almost a minute for my app drawer to display my apps or some 20 seconds for camera to start.
Don't know if my experience with the S3 i9300 is only because of encryption app or also my processor-ram specs combination is not powerful enough to get a smooth experience.
So I'm looking to upgrade to an S4 but I don't know which version should I get based on which should be the faster one?
Should I get the 1.9GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 quad-core processor or a 1.6GHz Exynos Octa-core processor?
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etereo said:
Hi I currently have an S3 i9300 and my company requires me to install MobileIron app and encrypt the whole phone; I find this slows down my phone considerably and often times I need to wait almost a minute for my app drawer to display my apps or some 20 seconds for camera to start.
Don't know if my experience with the S3 i9300 is only because of encryption app or also my processor-ram specs combination is not powerful enough to get a smooth experience.
So I'm looking to upgrade to an S4 but I don't know which version should I get based on which should be the faster one?
Should I get the 1.9GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 quad-core processor or a 1.6GHz Exynos Octa-core processor?
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Octa core variant is marginally faster but does not support 4g
Snapdragon Is little slow compare to Octa core but support 4g
u can choose as per ur need
Both are good device

the i9500 is faster even though it is really a quad core phone and only 4 cores can be activated at the same time. but I've seen somewhere that Samsung said with android 5 update the phone will be a real octa core and all eight cores can be used simultaneously.

The change to a i9500/9505 for you will be very good because the s3 I9300 only has 1gig of ram compared to the i9500/i9505 that have new processors and 2gigs of ram. That extra ram will definitely make a difference.
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Octa core :good:

Hamoonfarsa said:
the i9500 is faster even though it is really a quad core phone and only 4 cores can be activated at the same time. but I've seen somewhere that Samsung said with android 5 update the phone will be a real octa core and all eight cores can be used simultaneously.
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What are you saying, Android 5 doesn't even exist. Also the Exynos 5410 won't allow all 8 cores only the exynos 5420 can which is only in the Note 3

So based on what you said, I could even consider the Note3 which has 3gigs of ram and expect even better smoother performance? Saying I wouldn't mind the extra real state needs if I could realistically expect a noticeable improvement over currently described S3 conditions...
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4core is faster. clocked at 1.9

etereo said:
So based on what you said, I could even consider the Note3 which has 3gigs of ram and expect even better smoother performance? Saying I wouldn't mind the extra real state needs if I could realistically expect a noticeable improvement over currently described S3 conditions...
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If u can go for the note 3 and u don't mind it's size ... go for the note 3 and never look back ... but i suggest u wait if you can ofc for about a month to see how the s800 against the 5420 exynos compares ... it not so much about the ram except if you are a really heavy multitasker but the cpu and gpu which we know for sure that in the snapdragon case it's a considerable improvement especially in the gpu department and we ve yet to see how the new exynos chipset will compare to it's older sibling ...

crzykiller said:
What are you saying, Android 5 doesn't even exist. Also the Exynos 5410 won't allow all 8 cores only the exynos 5420 can which is only in the Note 3
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This is what I'm talking about. And for now note 3 is not octa core either.

Just get straight to the point!

Right, I cannot make my mind up so I thought I would come on here, il make it short.
Which has better performance - Snapdragon 800 OR Exynos 5420
I don't give a flying f*** about 4G or 4K. Which one has better performance i.e which is faster?

hayat55 said:
Right, I cannot make my mind up so I thought I would come on here, il make it short.
Which has better performance - Snapdragon 800 OR Exynos 5420
I don't give a flying f*** about 4G or 4K. Which one has better performance i.e which is faster?
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I would say the Snapdragon 800 because more devs would get it= more roms, better clock speed, better battery life because of chipset enhancements, faster charging because of chipset enhancements. If none of those matter to you get the Exynos version.
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hayat55 said:
Right, I cannot make my mind up so I thought I would come on here, il make it short.
Which has better performance - Snapdragon 800 OR Exynos 5420
I don't give a flying f*** about 4G or 4K. Which one has better performance i.e which is faster?
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Define performance.
Then we talk. My definition of performance is much different from that of my neighbour.

Dont you think you are showing too much attitude? How hard is it to say please? And snapdragon and exynos benchmarks are about the same

XDA HellHound said:
Dont you think you are showing too much attitude? How hard is it to say please? And snapdragon and exynos benchmarks are about the same
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To be technical, it seems that Exynos benchmarks are slightly higher. However, I believe that is without the HMP update. With that, scores will skyrocket.

I can't make my mind up whether to get snapdragon 800 version or exynos 5420. By performance i mean which can do more multitasking and which can run apps faster etc

From what I've seen the scores are indeed about the same on the benchmark front. They will both be good! I'm guessing the s800 will get more dev support and probably cm. It will all be your choice, do you want lte or not.
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Sammath said:
From what I've seen the scores are indeed about the same on the benchmark front. They will both be good! I'm guessing the s800 will get more dev support and probably cm. It will all be your choice, do you want lte or not.
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One thing that pushes me towards the exynos is that it has 1866 ram speed whereas snapdragon only has 800
Which do you think will be better in the long run?

^^^ forgot to mention that because exynos has higher ram speed then that means quicker performance.
So, which one should I get? Will there really be any difference between the performance of exynos 5420 and snapdragon 800?

You really do seem to have an attitude in your posts. Anyways, the phone isn't out yet so all anybody has is benchmarks to go by. Not a lot of real world use reviews out there to compare the two.
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I guess the ram speed can be neglected in real life usage. The s4 with the s600 feels the same as the octa version to me. And that is while the octa s4 obliterated the s600 in Antutu and some other Benchmarks. Like I've said before, if you want lte and better rom support get the s800 one. If you're really spec whoring get a 8 core exynos.
Anyways, from what I've seen so far the s800 seems to be faster in Antutu but not that much so I guess they will be at the same level of performance.
I would get any device I could get which for me is the s800 since I'm from the Netherlands.
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S800
LTE
Better support
Benchmark mean absolutely nothing and are a terrible way if measuring a phone. I've seen plenty if phones have high numbers but real world experience sucked.
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Easy. Snapdragon since there will be much more support for it from developers.

Also, don't forget, the 8-core is a lie
You have your normal 4-cores with an additional 4 'smaller' cores to handle always running less intense things. I really don't see the advantage to this, you don't get more out of benchmarks because those 4 'smaller' cores won't be used, except by some obscure background task that wouldn't slow down the benchmark anyways. It also won't help with the battery life, no matter how you spin it a clock cycle is a clock cycle.
The only time you will see gains from small memory speed increases are in things like calculating pie, so again, useless for day-to-day stuff. As other have stated, support. Qualcomm based will get AOSP based roms without any problems.
If you are looking to flaunt your meaningless bigger numbers around, by all means, get the 8-core.

designgears said:
Also, don't forget, the 8-core is a lie
You have your normal 4-cores with an additional 4 'smaller' cores to handle always running less intense things. I really don't see the advantage to this, you don't get more out of benchmarks because those 4 'smaller' cores won't be used, except by some obscure background task that wouldn't slow down the benchmark anyways. It also won't help with the battery life, no matter how you spin it a clock cycle is a clock cycle.
The only time you will see gains from small memory speed increases are in things like calculating pie, so again, useless for day-to-day stuff. As other have stated, support. Qualcomm based will get AOSP based roms without any problems.
If you are looking to flaunt your meaningless bigger numbers around, by all means, get the 8-core.
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Not true anymore. They are releasing an update to run all 8 cores at the same time to make it a true octacore
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kiter86 said:
Not true anymore. They are releasing an update to run all 8 cores at the same time to make it a true octacore
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Source? Cause idk about that....

kiter86 said:
Not true anymore. They are releasing an update to run all 8 cores at the same time to make it a true octacore
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I thought they were. Wasn't it something like a Heterogeneous or HMP update.

SgtGoldy said:
Source? Cause idk about that....
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was news a few weeks ago.......
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...-update-to-become-true-octa-core-chip_id47353
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...a-software-new-hardware-not-needed-after-all/

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Not true anymore. They are releasing an update to run all 8 cores at the same time to make it a true octacore
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It can't be a true 8-core. The extra 4 cores are far less powerful then the other 4.

designgears said:
It can't be a true 8-core. The extra 4 cores are far less powerful then the other 4.
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Let me tell you some preludes:
The reason behind using 8 cores was to put in a pair of four aggressively powerful quad processors like the cortex A15 with another pair of less powerful yet more power efficient four quad processors like cortex A7.
This is the main intention behind putting all these 8 cores of ARM's big.little architecture. The purpose is to let the A15s handle power hungry tasks like web page opening, playing an asphalt 8 game etc while the a7s would handle "simple" tasks. This is more vividly demoed in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zwbeb08W27U
Now, the way you are saying it is not a true 8 core processor as if you are
1. demanding 8 cortex A15 processors using 28 nm technology.
Do you know/have any idea what could happen if they all be available online at the same time in this case?
or
2. you knew there was a "true" octa core processor in the world, to be (or already) implemented in another device. IF SO, point us to that device and also explain what is the ideal to call a processor true 8 core.
It was never an intention of ARM to put eight A15s (for example) available for heterogeneous multi-processing.
Go here. Again 64 bit A57s are to be paired with 32 bit A52s.
Even the S4 equipped with exynos 5410 is an octa core processor device. It is just that the bloody CCI (cache coherence interconnector, CCI400) was crippled to enable all the 8 cores available online. Once the 8 cores packed in a SoC like this it is an octa core processor device. Whether or not you like it to call true 8 core.
Samsung/ARM worked on this and released another SoC (in the form of upgraded exynos) which has a working CCI that is free from the above mentioned flaw(s) which will have Cluster Migration by default and will receive the update that is made from Linaro team to enable all the 8 cores available online and therefore will become a "TRULY WORKING" 8 core processor which is implemented in Note 3.
These are facts, these have been heavily discussed in the general section of Samsung Galaxy S4 forums.
Oh, another thing- just because all these 8 cores are made to be available online it does not mean all the 8 cores will be working Simultaneously regardless of what application is in the process. Depending on the needs of the app(s) all these 8 cores (ranging from 1 core to the extreme case- 8 cores) can be used. If an app needs 4 cores, they can be used. If it needs 6 cores then they can be used. If it needs 8 cores then they can be used.
I personally am curious to see how it be going when all the 8 cores were used for an app.
And to the OP who's demadning a straight answer, my thoughts:
we do not know anything atm how power efficient and cool it'd be to have the HMP doing all these tasks. This requires
real life buyers buy the device
start playing with it
see how hot the device becomes (compared to another exynos device like s4).
It actually depends on those stuffs. You demand the answer as if we all knew from the beginning how exynos 5420 gonna perform in real life.

[Q] Snapdragon 800 vs Samsung Exynos 5 Octa

Is there a performance difference between the Snapdragon 800 and Samsung Exynos 5 Octa (1.9 GHz quad-core ARM Cortex-A15 + 1.3 GHz quad-core ARM Cortex-A7) Core variants in terms of UI fluency thanks in advance.

I have had bad experience with Exynos as they become so slow after time. I will never buy one again.
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I think no difference, or it is very slight. I saw no lags during my daily usage.
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ibrhmymn said:
Is there a performance difference between the Snapdragon 800 and Samsung Exynos 5 Octa (1.9 GHz quad-core ARM Cortex-A15 + 1.3 GHz quad-core ARM Cortex-A7) Core variants in terms of UI fluency thanks in advance.
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Many people here says that snapdragon is a much better option. I agree with them.
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Snapdragon is LTE .. Exynos is not.. That's one difference.. The rest may be the same...
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LTE and 4K video on Snapdragon, not on Exynos. Snapdragon has little better GPU, Exynos could be tiny bit little faster on CPU side in some tests, but not others . If anybody has any issues with UI speed it is most likely not hardware issue, but software.

pete4k said:
LTE and 4K video on Snapdragon, not on Exynos. Snapdragon has little better GPU, Exynos could be tiny bit little faster on CPU side in some tests, but not others . If anybody has any issues with UI speed it is most likely not hardware issue, but software.
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well - i think UI is more part of the gpu, so the gpu has to be potent.
If i ware you, ot, i would buy the SD Device. Reason? LTE and a higher cpu clock (I'm testing the wonderchild kernel - 3ghz, fast as hell
Also, there are more kernels for the SD device, as the exynos version is not so popular in many countries...

äon said:
well - i think UI is more part of the gpu, so the gpu has to be potent.
If i ware you, ot, i would buy the SD Device. Reason? LTE and a higher cpu clock (I'm testing the wonderchild kernel - 3ghz, fast as hell
Also, there are more kernels for the SD device, as the exynos version is not so popular in many countries...
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thaks for your answer I ask the same question to the Samsung US Chat agent and he said Octacore variant is better in overall performance. What do you think I also closer to the Snapdragon version but I am not in US and due to that reason is there a region lock and it should be unlocked by the service provider. I could not decide.

The only reason I chose the Qcomm over the Exynos is because the former has LTE capability.

kenny1991 said:
I have had bad experience with Exynos as they become so slow after time. I will never buy one again.
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are you serious about that??
me too would personally prefer the snapdragon over the exynos, but your statement is crap!
if something gets slow over time it's the OS or the nand (4.3 supports the trim command, so this
should not be an issue anymore). like a pc with windows, after some time it gets full of garbage
and this has some impact on performance, not the used processor type!

ibrhmymn said:
thaks for your answer I ask the same question to the Samsung US Chat agent and he said Octacore variant is better in overall performance. What do you think I also closer to the Snapdragon version but I am not in US and due to that reason is there a region lock and it should be unlocked by the service provider. I could not decide.
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I think it's simple.
Does you provider support LTE? ==> GET A QCOMM
It doesn't? ==> GET AN EXYNOS
I hope i could help you

Your post is crap.
How is it is when I factory reset or flash new room? Sånne sit happened to note 1 and 10.1. No more crapy exynos.
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SD800 = 4G LTE & 4k video rec.
Exynos 5 = no 4G LTE & 4k video rec.

kenny1991 said:
Your post is crap.
How is it is when I factory reset or flash new room? Sånne sit happened to note 1 and 10.1. No more crapy exynos.
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lol, you have no idea what you are talking about, do you?

TML1504 said:
lol, you have no idea what you are talking about, do you?
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I would like to ask about the region lock of Note 3, if for example I buy a Note 3 (n9005-snapdragon 800) from Bestbuy and I want to use it in different country which does not support lte can I use it or what should I do to use it thank you in advance