I'm running IGuidance 4.0 with an Itrek M5+ gps bluetooth reciever and today I decided to try out Google Maps. This is being used on a Verizon XV-6800 with Fransons GPS Gate.
When I first fire up Google Maps it says "Your handset does not appear be compatible with my location (beta)." and it places me in CA when I live in VA.
If I run it through the Itrek under GPS then it works fine - question is do I need to enable the GPS built into the phone for it to work without the Itrek or is it better to run through the Itrek itself in terms of signal for Google maps?
Thanks!
BK111968 said:
I'm running IGuidance 4.0 with an Itrek M5+ gps bluetooth reciever and today I decided to try out Google Maps. This is being used on a Verizon XV-6800 with Fransons GPS Gate.
When I first fire up Google Maps it says "Your handset does not appear be compatible with my location (beta)." and it places me in CA when I live in VA.
If I run it through the Itrek under GPS then it works fine - question is do I need to enable the GPS built into the phone for it to work without the Itrek or is it better to run through the Itrek itself in terms of signal for Google maps?
Thanks!
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you need to press, under options, use GPS. then when it has a fix, you can press my location to find where you are if you moved from your fix on maps. make sure you GPS settings are set to 'automatic by windows'
I think the signal is more likely to be better if you run it through your external gps. The mogul is a jack-of-all-trades device. It does a little of everything. However, this means that some functions are not optimized - and my experience is gps is one of them. Having said that, I do think it should work fine if you follow the directions given on the previous post.
If you have Sprint and are running PRI 2.03 then the mogul is an excellent GPS device, not unoptimized as the previous poster said.
Yeah, I'm using my XV6800 GPS regularly to get me to specific long. and lat. coordinates and its working flawlessly (w/in 1-3 meters usually depending on atmospheric and geographic problems). I have friends using their Garmin type handhelds and in car devices that initially thought using a phone for Geocaching (www.geocaching.com) was nuts but they're believers now...
Google maps defaults to their home base of San Francisco.
I have the Mogul from Sprint. Sometimes the gps works with Google maps. Sometimes it doesn't.
I have been reading that you have to prime it or warm it up with another program. Don't understand why. I am still researching this.
The My Location feature works great once you get the gps to turn on. I have found it to be very accurate. So much so that I have done some Geocaching with it. I use a Garmin Etrex Vista for Geocaching, but when I am at work and want to check out some caches, I feel confident that the gps on the Mogul is an adequate locator.
Google maps is of course an excellent service. And is just as excellent on the phone. The search feature in Google maps is my number one application. I just need to find a free application to give me turn by turn. =P
There is no need to prime google. It does it on it's own. I've heard of it being an issue with some navigation programs.
"My location" works by triangulating your position via the cell towers. This works for other devices that don't have an internal GPS chip. I've seen this on different Blackberry devices.
If you've enabled GPS, then 'my location' simply centers your view to your GPS location.
I just received my Xperia X1, its an amazing device.
The interface is very smooth.
But I cant get the GPS working. I tried already a few thing.
1)In google maps setting the GPS configuration at COM4 (all speeds tried)
It keeps saying "There is no GPS receiver found" (translated from dutch)
2)Using the Quick fix program and than retried google maps
3)Configurating the external GPS function but when I pres ok, I have the idea that the configuration isn't saved. When I restart the app It shows up like before.
4)Running GPS test: It just keeps scanning
The device is SIM-lock free with a standard duth ROM.
I hope sombody kan help me because I wont like to send it back to the shop.
Sorry for my bad english.
I don't know what exactly you are setting up there but you don't need a COM-Port for the built in GPS. Just let Windows handle the settings (Point one to choose in the GPS-Setup in Google Maps).
But you have to activate the GPS in Google Maps with "Menu --> use GPS".
Then you need to go outside to let the satellites get a view (after a minute Google Maps should have found you.)
And "Use GPS" is NEVER saved. You always have to select it every single time you load Google Maps.
Pretty annoying really but I do not think there is anything you can do about it.
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And "Use GPS" is NEVER saved. You always have to select it every single time you load Google Maps.
Pretty annoying really but I do not think there is anything you can do about it.
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I can't say I do not like this...I use google maps just to look around the area or to search a nice spot for the next vacation or simply to play around. The battery would drain very fast if GPS was enabled all the time. Of course, if you use google maps to navigate this can be quite annoying. But for me, I use TomTom to navigate and don't need GPS in google maps. (Okay, the one time I was standing somewhere on a mountain and wanted to get a overview of the landscape from above -therefore the GPS was useful )
But referring to the question:
Do your GPS now work?
I am also having problems trying to get GPS signal using Google map. Then, i was told by SE support that it will require a data connection (WIFI or GPRS) for it to work. Is this correct?
You will need a data connection to receive the maps. You shouldn't need it for the GPS to work, however you will appear in the middle of nowhere as there are no graphics of the area you are in.
I got it working, I tried it again today.
I did just the same as yesterday and now it works.
What do I love self healing devices
Have absolutely no idea what is different??
I only installed the TF3D cab but that cant make a diference.
Well it could just be the weather. Understandably it takes a lot longer to get a lock in poor weather conditions. You did not mention how long you gave it to start working when you tried before.
Google Maps often seems to take a lot longer than Tom Tom to get a lock. Also, QuickGPS does make a HUGE difference so I would recommend keeping that up to date when it asks you (every week, or at least right before you intend to use GPS).
Hi all,
I didnt want to start a new thread, but after searching the forums and google for a long time, i decided to bring it up
So ive had my HD2 for about 2 days now, and I recently installed GarminXT (I used to have it on my Nokia N82)
the problem i'm finding is that the GPS doesnt lock as fast as i thought it would be..
GarminXT has not been locking on (little over 5 minutes now)
I'm a noob to Windows Mobile and HTC so please bear with me!
1. How do i know A-GPS is working? Is it automatically enabled? (This wasnt the case for Nokia as you could manually turn off A-GPS and use strictly GPS signal). Under Location settings i have "Location Service Settings" = ON
and HTC Location Service = ON
2. Im still not 100% sure what QuickGPS does. I've read about it , but all i concluded was that it uses your data to get a faster GPS lock.
So i tried running QuickGPS and it updates no problem.
I open GarminXT and it doesnt lock on. Do i need to use this?
3. Can someone tell me if these are the optimal GPS settings? I kept searching around the forum but cant find one specific to the HD2.
So under "All Settings" > System > External GPS
Programs Tab > GPS Program Port = COM4
Hardware Tab > GPS Hardware Port = None > Baud rate = 4800
Access Tab > Managa GPS Auto = Checked
Are these settings correct? Or are there "tweaks" to it that I can change?
4. One last question:
Under GarminXT, i have the ability to choose 3 GPS options:
"Use Bluetooth GPS"
"Use GPS Intermediate Driver" = Checked
"Use Serial GPS" > Once selected, i get 4 other options to choose:
COM1: Bluetooth Serial Port
COM2: Bluetooth Serial Port
COM4: COM4:
COM9: 7500 COM port
Does anyone know if i should be checked on "Use GPS Intermediate Driver" or if i should be checking off "Serial GPS" > COM 4?
This is my first WinMo device with a data plan (I'm on EDGE speeds cause I'm in Canada), but I always had the impression AGPS would really help the lock times.
Anyone with help would be GREATLY appreciated!
Again, loving the new HD2
Thanks
For GarminXT, use intermediate driver.
For Google maps, use Com4, 4800 rate, that enables use of the compass.
Quick GPS should increase startup, and so far I had all fixes on HD2 under 30 seconds, and I did not change anything.
Normally GPS would download information about orbits of satellites from the satellites. That can take time, as it is one way communication and GPS can't ask satellite to send data again in case of error, it must wait untill the satellite starts sending them again by itself.
It is much faster to get that data via network .. and that is exactly what QuickGPS is for. Problem is that at least on my previous X1 there were many problems with it. The data from network was sometimes completely wrong, and you had to delete the file manually. That information is in temp\xtra.bin. Try to delete it and try again. QuickGPS does not test existence of the file, it will download new one in predefined time.
I'm still a bit confused about aGPS. I'm not sure what it is. Some people state it is the same thing as QuickGPS. Some say it is something to get quick basic fix based on BTS. But I haven't seen that in any application, except Google maps, and they seem to use their own technology and data for that.
But AFAIK, those 'location services' is generally Google's 'my location' exposed for other HTC applications.
I set it on max rate, do i do a mistake? I think that this is setting the speed or Im wrong?! Im connecting with sattelites below 15sec, with no other tweaks or quickgps...
^^
what's "max rate"?
btw, thanks for the replies
i'll look into deleting the cache file for QuickGPS and see if it does anything
Quick GPS allows you to download a weeks worth of GPS satellite position data (almanac data) at one time, helpful if for example you don't have a data plan - you can get your A-GPS data in one hit over WiFi. It helps speed lock time.
Not sure what is happening with yours, mine always locks in Garmin within 7-15 seconds, I have Quick GPS set to autoupdate, but otherwise no special tweaks or modifications where GPS is concerned.
Same here - in fact, the HD2's locking faster to GPS than my Touch HD ever did. I'm getting locks in the garage now whereas before I had none with my Touch HD. Haven't touched the default WM GPS settings or the Garmin one at all since I upgraded to the HD2.
GPs lover-Google map hater
Hi guys, firstly thanks for this thread as i too look for answer...and find some only here
i had the Diamond and now the HD2 and share the love.
Garmin maps are much more accurate and have even the smallest unpaved roads which Google map lacks. Google is so basic maps, i simply hate it...sorry Google...not to mention that it cost money to be online all the time
HD2 GPS confuse me. Sorry if I ask u basic staff but could not figure it up myself:
1. using the GPS w/google map, how u set simple setting, as: "north up" or ""track up" Route setting such as "faster time" or any other basic settings that I always had on my Garmin GPS including Garmin mobile XT?
2. What happend to voice navigation wiith google?
3. Reading your info, does it means that I can install Garmin mobile XT I got with Diamond on HD2 ?
4. Anybody know TomTom for HD2 (which I will get shotly from HTC?
I trust someone out here is smarter than me and will come to rescue
hey guys,
my HD2 is fine now, usually i just do a QuickGPS connect before opening Garmin XT and now it connects SUPER fast...usually under 10 seconds
Thanks for all the help!!
Google is not, and does not set out to be a full satellite navigation prpgram, so it doesn't have stuff such as 'North Up', 'Track Up' etc, nor does it have spoken directions.
For these you need a dedicated SatNav program like Garmin, TomTom, CoPilot or iGO8 which are all 'paid-for' applications.
TomTom will run fine but TomTom don't officially support it, meaning you can't download the correct vesion direct from their website. There are easy ways around this though!
With regard to some of the earlier posts- the HD2 can aquire a fix faster than any other device I've used (and I've used a lot!). I find QuickGPS makes very little difference, but as it uses only a small amaount of data I keep it updated.
QuickGPS and A-GPS are not the same thing, though there are quite a few different definitions of A-GPS. Genuine A-GPS is not used in UK, nor as far as I know anywhere else in Europe except by dedicated programs and platforms set up with the infrastructure (such as Apple, who use it to enhance the poor performance of the iPhone's GPS chip). It is used in the Far East, and works by enhancing your accuracy of positioning by using the data channels to send your current cell ID plus any other availble stuff like WiFi hotspot info, which is correlated to a database of locations, and sent back as an approximate position to the phone. Google Maps uses something like this if a GPS signal is not available- the 'Locate Me' feature will show you in a radius of around 1km.
The Baud rate makes no ostensible difference to the lock times or accuracy, as the data stream from the satellites is far lower than even the lowest baud rate. The NMEA default is 4800, and most software is happy to connect at that rate.
The google maps GPS finds me within 80 metres.. that's not accurate right? cause it puts it on wrong street technically.. When I first got it it did 800 metres =/
WOW, that was fast, thank you NeilM.
I will get Tomtom for free from HTC as it is included with Thai purchaded HD2.
Meanwhile I will try to load Garmin XT that I got with My Diamond at the time, let's see if the activation works...
As for Goole, well, I get 60 meter accuracy at the best, that make ones totaly lost in a city and for sure miss a turn, what a pity.
Thanks again for ever so fast reply.
When Google Maps is started it is finding your position throught the carrier's network and that is why it is not acurate at all. There is an option however, named "Use the GPS" in goolge maps and it becomes as acurate as any other navigation software It just have to engage an GPS lock as the others so do not blame google on this one Hence, you are not using the GPS when you get the inacurate positioning For the maps however you still have to be online But if you pay for your Garmin, iGo maps it would be that expensive and you can use it wherever you are ...
You absolutly right. i did use the "use gps" and it's accurate. The thing is that as heavy GPS user the lack of detailed info on google maps, and the inability to set the maps at your convinient (such as "track up" for example) it's nearly a secure way to go crazy while nevigating, specially off road...try to tilt your head to understand your position in real time when you turning and turning. Thanks for the gps tip.
I agree. Curent version of Google Maps is not suitable for navigation while driving indeed! It can help you get orientated sometimes or if you are looking for something big iGo and Garmin are in a whole new league of navigation sofware for now. However, the new version of Google Maps should be at least as good as the others but it is only available for Android at the moment and I dont see it coming to WM any time soon so we will have to stick to iGo, Garmin, TomTom and the others. I'm not using Google Maps for navigation at all by the way so It wouldn't be so difficult for me )
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the new version of Google Maps should be at least as good as the others but it is only available for Android at the moment and I dont see it coming to WM
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It's called google navigation, not google maps - and it seems to kill every GPS program available today (thank god).
hey guys,
on the same topic, but different nav software. i use iGO 8, can someone please tell me what the optimal setting are for port and baud rate? i did the auto-detect and the signal is a little on/off.
also... is there a way to get iGO 8 to use the HD2s compass? i like the stand-alone compass of the HD2, but i think it would be swell to be able to have iGO's compass function working aswell.
sorry if this has been discussed before, if there is another thread i should be reading... please direct me there.
thanks for all your help.
cheers.
conscept said:
The google maps GPS finds me within 80 metres.. that's not accurate right? cause it puts it on wrong street technically.. When I first got it it did 800 metres =/
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Eh, if I'm not wrong, that's agps at work.
It'll find you with the nearest base station. then slowly try to triangulate you. Normally, you'll be in an area with only 1 base station, so there's not much triangulation going on.
When I'm in city, it's pretty accurate. I get my approx distance within a couple of seconds, wait another 10 - 20 secs to get gps fix.
A-Gps and other things
A-GPS is just one thing: Assisted GPS. It is a toggle-- when you toggle it on, in your phone's settings, you will get the locational assistance of the cell towers. That is the towers them selves, two or more towers and your phone triangulate to give an approximation of your location. GPS also uses triangulation (derived from simple trigonometry equations) to determine your location and is much more accurate. In fact it can be ever more accurate as your device locks onto more satellites. I have found that the best thing to do is to turn off A-GPS. I don't know what it is but Googlemaps seems to have a terrible time locking onto satellites on Windows Mobile. But I have found, especially on Android 1.6 and above you get very rapid locks so long as you wipe out the telenav program. I strongly suspect that Google is undermining Windows Mobile in favor of supporting their Android system. They have turn by turn for Android but not for Windows Mobile and it seems like they are also building it not to lock sats nearly as well. You can force it to get moving by pre opening the GPS or other methods just prior to running google maps.
I think everyone should write google and tell them to fully support Windows Mobile (Phone)... T-Mobile is just about set to come out with the HTC HD2 in about a week (March 24th) and I intend to get one. I am not happy that it doesn't have a physical keyboard cloned from the Touch Pro 2, but I expect to like most of the rest of it.
Turning Location on is another thing. You are henceforth allowing all applications to know and your location. this can be helpful but it can also be a potential privacy risk. Of course it's easy to turn off and on. You might want to read the fine print.
Actually, I have a more basic question. Is there a soft "switch" or software application to actually turn the GPS on? On my HD2 I have a few GPS apps and all of them report the GPS being on or "no GPS Device found". Even Goggle maps, if I siwtch to USE GPS mode, keeps endlessly waiting for a GPS signal and then nothing happens. What am I doing wrong?
Thanks much
Gps htc hd2
In my experience with windows mobiles and internal gps, manage gps automatically is best and no ports should be assigned at all unless using bluetooth gps receiver! Also, sounds crazy too many but no every location on this big earth is withing available to public gps devices gps satelite paths (satelites going around the earth!) Make sure your outside the house or flat before thinking your gps ain't picking up. My hd2 is fast, my old mda3 was too and worked better inside but thats down to i was living in a different location at the time and at an higher altitude i would say. 1 of many other reasons could be that the military could be using the sat at the time which would render it unavail to public (offline)!
I go out on BLM land with my brother in law sometimes and I was thinking of using my phone as a GPS device with Google Maps/Earth.
The only real problem with this is that most of these areas have no/intermittent phone service. If I leave my phone on it will search for service constantly and burns through the battery very quickly.
Is there any way to turn the cell service off but leave the GPS functionality on, which should still allow me to use maps, etc?
with google maps you will need an internet connection(also requires cell connection)
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with google maps you will need an internet connection(also requires cell connection)
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Wow, my 3 cups off coffee must not have been enough for me this morning lol. That was a pretty dumb question haha.
A quick google search leads me to believe that you can get offline maps on your phone that use GPS data.
So I think my question still remains if you can turn the cell service off and still have GPS?
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Wow, my 3 cups off coffee must not have been enough for me this morning lol. That was a pretty dumb question haha.
A quick google search leads me to believe that you can get offline maps on your phone that use GPS data.
So I think my question still remains if you can turn the cell service off and still have GPS?
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my assumption is yes, it works on other phone this way
but also remember all that time with the screen on eats up the battery on most phones
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I go out on BLM land with my brother in law sometimes and I was thinking of using my phone as a GPS device with Google Maps/Earth.
The only real problem with this is that most of these areas have no/intermittent phone service. If I leave my phone on it will search for service constantly and burns through the battery very quickly.
Is there any way to turn the cell service off but leave the GPS functionality on, which should still allow me to use maps, etc?
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That's a very good question. Nobody outside Verizon really knows for sure what the Fascinate's location and settings do. The three labels under Settings -> Location & Security seem to have been made up by marketing dweebs, and not defined and do not correspond to the settings on other Galaxy S phones.
Further, on other Galaxy S phones, controlling the detailed settings of the GPS/aGPS is not done from that main Settings menu at all, but from the menu of a hidden app that can usually be invoked by a dialer code. But no one I know of has ever discovered such an app on the Fascinate. On most other Galaxy S variants, the hidden app that controls aGPS settings is called LbsTestMode. The new Sprint Epic has a different but similar app called GpsSetup. Because these system apps are hidden, they do not show up on the usual tools listing end-user apps. But their .apk files would show up to a rooted user or in a system dump.
Most older Galaxy S phones default to Standalone mode. The Epic defaults to MS Based mode. The Fascinate default is really unknown.
It may be possible to access the hidden GPS menu, if any, without the secret dialer code. If anyone has a rooted phone, they can look to discover if there is an .apk file named LbsTestMode.apk (the name for the app on most Galaxy S models) or GpsSetup.apk (the name for the new app on the Sprint Epic.)
If either of those hidden system app files is present, it can probably be run by setting up a direct shortcut using a third-party launcher utility such as LauncherPro or ADW. If there is no such app, that would also be worth knowing.
It is not necessary to have a rooted phone to run the hidden app.
FWIW, I have tested the Sprint Epic's GPS in Standalone mode in West Texas, far from any network coverage. It captured the tracks quite well for subsequet display in other software, demonstrating that the underlying GPS works well. I did not have any apps loaded with locally cached maps, so I could not see maps in real time.
You should be able to disable the other radios on the phone to conserve battery, but the GPS radio itself is power-hungry if run all the time.
My old phone could not run GPS without a data connection and that sucked, massively when I was overseas.
Does anyone know if the Nexus 4 is the same way, or if there is a way to run GPS without a data connection?
Thanks!
I've never heard of a phone that didn't have a separate GPS radio. If like you say your old phone needed a data connection then that wouldn't have been true GPS and was probably using triangulation between cell towers for location and that's a different beast all together. On every android device I've owned since 2010, including the Nexus 4, GPS is a standalone feature.
Your question is confusing. If you're asking if you can use all GPS features without data, in other words navigation/etc the answer is yes. However, Google Maps does not support those features without an active connection, you will need to purchase or obtain a standalone GPS application for Android (Garmin for example has one).
GPS will return location data, but Google requires a data connection for directions. You can download maps for offline use in My Places, but you will still need data for routes and directions. You can buy offline Nav apps for total offline use (CoPilot is one of them).
You might want to check into Backcountry Pro if you're looking for 'offline' GPS support that also has to support things like topographic maps and way points (primarily for backpacking, hiking, and camping). You should check into something like Garmin's app if you need directions and road maps offline.