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I just have to say after reading samsungs comment on future support for android (2.3) which is comical since we aren't even going to see 2.2 on this hardware in an official form it seems.
I have come to the conclusion that the only hope to keep this phone moving forward has completely fallen in the laps of custom rom devs.
I love my vibrant but would have dumped it some time ago and gone back to my nexus if it wernt for the few developers that spend countless hours keeping this hardware moving forward.
Shame on samsung, a very large organization for making such a fine piece of hardware and then leaving its software behind.
I find it funny how a huge company such as samsung has left the future of this phone in the hands of some geeks sitting at home plugging away at keeping the vibrant current. And the devs do this on their own time for free.
So, the reason for this post is to thank all you devs working away on the vibrant. And a note to samsung if you ever read these forums (i'm sure they do)....BLOW ME!
Sincerely, a guy who wont own another samsung product.
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I completely agree... I wish Google would make some regulations on how the Android OS is handled amongst phone developers/carriers such as Samsung or T-Mobile. All phones need to come with stock android but can come with developer/carrier apps preinstalled (and home launchers like Touchwiz are just apps like LauncherPro not integrated into the OS...) Hell, I'd take locked bloatware than a customized (degraded) OS anyday. This way Google can handle & streamline the OTAs... this failure to do so by Samsung is unacceptable if these guys are to compete with the iPhone... granted I still favor this operating system to the iOS no questions but this fragmentation problem will only worsen with time.
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Samsung allocates too much money on hardware and not enough on software...
At least, in the Nexus S, its backed by the best software team possible.
Every body is overreacting Samsung didn't say they were abandoning the galaxy s series they said that there are factors that will decide whether or not they will update their phones in general. The galaxy s line isn't the only phones they make.
They simply said, if the carrier wants it, the hardware meets the requirement, and if they are still allowed the rights of the licensed software the phone has prienstall, then they will update the phone.
Which is basically saying the obvious. We will if we can and allowed too. And seeing that T-Mobile will have to keep up with sprint and Verizon who tries to keep thier phones updated, and the fact the galaxy S line is practically the same as this years dev phone standards, plus there not being many licensed software on it that T-Mobile doesn't hold rights too I'm sure we will get updates at least to anything the nexus s will get.
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Samsung has stated the possibility of an official update to the Android operating system version 2.3, which is intended for all of the issued units range Galaxy. The new OS has a more refined user interface has been improved as well by copying and pasting text. In addition there is support for video on the Internet - resources (WebM/VP8) and full support for VoIP calls using the built-in front camera. However, the emphasis on developers are increasing the performance of their devices at the same time, the new version of the operating system has increased the battery life of smartphones by optimizing the energy consumption. All of the devices in this family can be updated automatically by means of an instrument Kies, which is a formal program for flashing devices. The latest version of the operating system can also be downloaded from the official website of the company. updates, in particular, the following models are available: Galaxy S (I9000), Galaxy Ace (S5830), Galaxy Fit (S5670), Galaxy Gio (S5660) and Galaxy Mini (S5570) . Just now getting ready for the new firmware Galaxy S scLCD (I9003), Galaxy Tab 3G (P1000) and Galaxy Tab Wi-Fi (P1010), which will appear later.
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You are Right, ilievski.ace, full agreement!
But that's the normal behavior since creation of economy. Specially since the invention of the "game" of developing HARDWARE & SOFTWARE
They are not interested, that we use our cheap phones forever. They want you to buy a new one.
That's quiet easy and logical.
Our G3 is not a high end phone and unfortunately the development of software seems to be too expensive for them. So they concentrate on their new devices.
That's sad, but not the customer is their interest but the profit in the end.
I really hate to explain any customers, that they should buy a hole new computer after 3 or 4 years, because it's cheaper for them, than the costs of changing the motherboard and recreate the OS with the new Hardware for example... ;(
Siple answer for samsung reply is that they will not take care of g3. It's not so popular as other models so they leave it for good...
Shame.
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samsung must sold new models, who cares for the old one
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Of course it's not right. I don't care about Samsung's reasons. SG3 is not an old legacy handset, it is about a year old device! There is no reason to abandon it, and contrary to many people's beliefs, it's quite popular because it's relatively cheap for an Android phone so many people have it and use it - Samsung sees this as another opportunity to sell even more handsets to even more people because it will deny many people simple software upgrades. Samsung is acting like Apple and it's a bad behavior, I and many other people will never buy another product - at least a phone - from Samsung. I recommend everyone to pass SG3 and to boycott Samsung in any way they can because Samsung deserves it. Many other manufactures act similarly, but not to this extent and they do release unofficial hacks and they "borrow" their devs to the community to hack some updates even if they refuse to do it publicly. SE X10, the device released in the beginning of 2009 with android 1.5 got it's 2.3.4 update recently! How can Sony-Ericsson do that for practically dead phone? How is that suddenly "Rational" to SE?
Samsuck can screw themselves with their piss poor overpriced hardware, if I wanted to be treated like this I would have bought Apple iPhone 3GS and I would at least have a decent piece of hardware.
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You are right.They just whant money money and again money..
They said that they will update our phone to 2.2 but in my country there is none update and my country isnt listed!!!!?
My point i think that they will never update our phone to 2.3 whic is sad (((
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It's all about money
"KOLKU PARI TOLKU MUZIKA" MEANS HOW MUCH MONEY THAT MUCH MUSIC
Samsung sucks, they look good on paper but they just suck. The hardware of SG3 is badly done, drivers even worse, customer support is rubish, their firmwares are all buged and laggy and unreliable. If they upgraded the phone to 2.3 it would not make much difference i tell you, drivers are really bad. My next phone is going to be HTC i think
Right now I'm thinking in the same way as you. I will change samsung to sth different. Because what i have seen after i bought this phone is a drama... But hope that cm project will be still active because in some way i like this phone.
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yeah, CM7 is really great, since its built from AOSP, no samsung crap. Marcellusbe has my greatest thanks. CM7 a4 is the best ROM i've used, no lags/crap/fcs like in samsungs firmware. I just cant wait for it to get to beta or rc. I won't be buying a new phone for a while now, so the devs are my only hope. Developers>Samsung
Waited for more than 4 months for official update to 2.2 without flashing on my own, since it was promised by Samsung.
And when it arrived my country, what did I get? Crappy, bugged, laggy rom!!!
All this waiting for what?! Flashed straight away to a better firmware like JPM, which wasnt meant for my country. Then after, its all Custom ROMS. And by & far, they are much much much 100x better than what samsung released for public.
I have hope in our DEVs, and Im sure we will get 2.3...big thanks to the DEVs who keep alive our G3.
Maybe official ICS doesn't have any superbrick problems (as they said "we can't reproduce the bug") or may be it has. Many of the users in this forum wants to use rooted custom ROMs without any problems and this is huge community so I believe that Samsung should provide an official solution for kernel problems to stop bricking issues. Its not that easy to say "we can't do anything about that". Many of us buy more than one phone and we change them within a year. People around us asks us which phone to buy. Would you still buy or recommend people to buy Samsung phones if they don't release an official solution for bricking issues?
I want to send the results to Samsung after a while (I know many of you will say Samsung doesn't care about it. I already know it. But they should understand if they dont care about us than we dont care about them we CAN buy other brands thats so simple)
Because of this issue i am leaning towards recommending one x. If anyone here can prove this happens on a non modified device and they do not release the fix i will recommend htc or lg to anyone who asks
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Because of this issue i am leaning towards recommending one x. If anyone here can prove this happens on a non modified device and they do not release the fix i will recommend htc or lg to anyone who asks
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I believe there is no need problem to occur in a non modified device. Samsung should not ignore the whole community. This is a huge community with full of "flashaholics"!. If they ignore us than we buy HTC devices and flash ROMs aaalllll day long
Guys, you have to realize something. We are a teeny-tiny slice of phone users. Most people don't flash anything, they just use their phones. The issue is a leaked release that was never meant to be a production kernel that got out into our community and was used - Samsung has no responsibility here, those who flashed their phones are responsible. I hate to be the bearer of such news, but that is the case. You flash at your own risk. It's horribly upsetting that some have ended up with hard bricks - but that's the nature of flashing unofficial kernels on our phones.
Keep this thread nice and it stays open, I've got my eye on it.
I don't like Samsung but I got N7000 because of 5.3" screen.
I'd buy HTC because I think the finishing in HTC better than Sam and because of HTC sense is best UI in Android devices.
BR
Yes, I would recommend Samsung products.
I deepl hated the Galaxy S1 for it's GPS issue and generall laginess, the GPS and the touch sensibilty of the Nexus S were still flawed, and I also got very angry about the lack of communication and updates of Samsung. Honestly, I promised to myself to never ever buy one of their products again.
But they seem to be capable of learning; since the GS2 Samsung delivered extremely good products compared with the competition. I never had a problem (bricks etc.) when flashing roms (I am aware that this might be just a matter of luck, just sharing my personal opinion here), and the GS2, Note, and now GS3 are really stunning and at their time best-in-class devices. (No fanboy here, really tried them all, HTC, Motorola, and in a desperate moment even LG)
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I would recommend a samsung device
the s2-gnote or s3
for the reason the exynos cpu is a monster on performance
im a dedicated android emulator beta tester
official beta tester for N64oid (original nintendo 64 emu on android) and regular tester for FPSE ( Playstation 1 emu for android)
on both emu i get fantastic fps count with my gnote n7000 - compared to
htc devices like desire hd-sensation-evo 3d.
havent tested the htc one x yet.
so if you a emulator user. samsung exynos cpu is the way forward.
Can't really complain about Samsung. Ok, Galaxy S2 quality was a bit...poor. I mean everything plastic makes the phone look and feel cheap - but hey, it was good after all. The galaxy Note ? I'd call that superior build quality, and since i had never experienced any display issues etc - can't complain here either.
What about other products? Laser printer, flat screen TV and computer display - all made by samsung, never had any troubles with them.
So yes, i'd recommend and buy another product. I know Samsung is not the best quality available, but they give you nice product for reasonable price - and you'll always end up with poor quality if you select the cheapets available option, no matter which company made it.
You are probably already all seeing this coming, and you shouldn't get much of a shock from me saying this, but I'm giving up official development on the Galaxy 3. I'm doing this for a few reasons, but I feel it's necessary to give an official post to my reasoning, and I'll leave the thread open so people can comment or flame me or whatever they wish to do.
So here are the reasons I won't do any more development:
Lack of enthusiasm/inspiration/need to develop
I replaced my Galaxy 3 over a year ago, and since then I've only used it to develop kernel 3.4. It's been sitting without a ROM on it, and a flat battery for a good 90% of that time, and I don't ever pick it up and feel I need to use it, and the reason being is that the devices I've owned/used since then have been massively faster. You have to bear in mind that an ARMv7 core (Scorpion, Cortex A8, Cortex A9) is almost twice as fast per clock than an ARMv6 core, and adding NEON to it makes it even faster, and the Krait core in my new HTC One is almost four times faster per clock, so effectively, the processor in the Galaxy 3, even when overclocked to 800MHz is like my HTC One running at 50MHz (800MHz / 4 for Krait vs ARMv6 / 4 cores). It makes it almost pointless using the device even as an MP3 player when the difference in performance is that great, and when I have no wish/need/desire to use the device, it makes it difficult to develop for it simply because I have no purpose in trying to improve it. It doesn't benefit me directly, and the only thing I gain is the satisfaction of completing something. I tried as hard as I could to find inspiration to work with the device, but when I have to work around a processor made by a company that doesn't care put into a phone by a company that doesn't care (I'll cover this shortly), I just come up not caring myself. Sorry
Lack of documentation for the components inside the device
You can argue that the processor is similar to the S3C6440 (in the Spica), and the S5PV210 (in the Galaxy S or Nexus S), and yes it is similar, but not the same. As a result, documentation is non-existent, and you can't use documentation from it's brothers, because they have conflicting information. For example, the GPIOs in the S5P6442 (Apollo) are the same as the ones in the S5PV210, but the GPU and CPU is the same as the one in the S3C6440. If you find something you need to work on, let's say the I2C controller, you're constantly digging through code from the old kernel (basically the only reference material you have) trying to mix and match it compared to kernel 3.4 and see which processor they stole that function from, and sometimes you find it's completely different and it's even MORE of a chaotic mess. I spent countless weekends patching together code on that phone trying to make it work, and I'm surprised I even got kernel 3.4 to show ANYTHING on the screen. Sure it doesn't boot Android, but it's not like it's incapable of doing it. I just need someone smarter than I to carry on from where I left off and finish it. I KNOW it's something missing somewhere that I just don't know about, because I can tell it's wanting to work. It's so close but it refused to cooperate with me and I lack the inspiration to continue with it, and the lack of documentation and quality source code just didn't help.
Samsungs lack of support for the open source community
Say what you will about HTC or Motorola or LG or Sony or whoever, it doesn't matter. You can argue till the cows come home about who is the worst for not helping the community, I don't really care who is worst. I've now owned a device from Samsung, HTC, Sony, Motorola, LG, and Asus, and Samsung is definitely one of the worst. They're not THE worst, they do help somewhat (not locking bootloaders knocks them up a few places), but it's still really bad at the low end. Every company is bad with helping the low end devices, it's just a fact of the Android world. HTC is terrible, Sony is terrible, Samsung is terrible, Motorola is abysmal, it's never going to change. The companies just don't see it as economically viable to help the little phones get updates, but at least a lot of the other companies (Sony for example) at least provide GOOD code in their kernels for you to work with. The whole argument that we NEED kernel 3.0 or 3.4 to make Jellybean work on the Apollo is completely destroyed when you take into account the Xperia Arc S which can run ICS and JB on kernel 2.6.32... the same kernel version in our phone. Sure Sony butchered it a little to get it working, but heck: it works. The problem the Galaxy 3 has is that the code in that kernel is just SO bad. I cringe every time I look at it. Lines of code that are '#ifndef 0'ed out, and blocks of the code that was left in there from a mystical nonexistent revision of the device that never saw the light of day which are referenced all backwards, and the amount of warnings the code throws up when you compile it, it really was made by monkeys. I can see why they refuse to do source drops, because if I made code look that bad, I'd be ashamed to let people see it too.
That's all beside the point though, because all Samsung does by not giving quality code is just hurt the end user. They make the code so ugly the developers can't work with it, and they make the code so broken you have to use the exact right compiler to make it work. I know I needed to use CodeSourcery to compile the likes of G3MOD or Kyorakernel because the Google Toolchain would fail when it gets to the audio drivers. Why? I dunno. Just the way the Google toolchain reacted to the code, but as a result I couldn't use the same toolchain I use for everything else. Yes you can argue the Google toolchain isn't the best, but the thing is: the Google toolchain is what Google wants us to use. It's in the Android repositories for a reason. It's problems like this that make it just frustrating working with this device.
Samsung reputation with the developers is so bad now, it's called big-time developers like codeworkx and Entropy512 to completely abandon the Galaxy S2 and S3 and vow to not buy the S4 with the Exynos processor (i9500?) and instead buy competing devices like the Xperia Z and the HTC One. I agree with them. Samsung are just really really bad with their processors and their relations to developers when it comes to them. The Exynos 4 has so much potential: a 1.2GHz dual or quad core with a fantastic GPU, it's a brilliant chip, but it's held back by terrible code and documentation, and as a result CM10.1 will probably never get a stable release on the Galaxy S2 or S3. I sold my Galaxy S2 in protest of Samsung and I don't regret it. Even my Xperia Arc S was more stable than that Galaxy S2. I've now bought the HTC One. That's how much I hate Samsung these days: they made me take back all I said negative about HTC. I wanted to hate the One but I just can't. It's everything that the Galaxy S4 should have been, and when you have something as well made and easy to work with as this in your hands, it makes working on the broken down disaster that is the Galaxy 3s kernel a nightmare.
I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, I won't be selling my Galaxy 3 or getting rid of it. It was my first Android phone, and I'll always remember it for that. It's just a shame I bought the S2 last year because it made the poor Apollo all lonely.
You did so much for our g3 community thank you for all your work for me you're the greatest dev ever and I agree with you samsung is crap sony and htc are just sooo much better
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Bye. I am still using my Galaxy 3 and probably will for the next one or two years before I get a new one.
Hill beast thank you for everything that you bring to g3 community
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Thank you hillbeast for everything what you have done to our little g3. Good luck with your further development and life.
Thanks for everything....but I believe you'll be here, guiding people trying to help us.....
I been having galaxy phone since the s2..... I even remember with the s3,s4 there were pages of development but starting with the 5 is all been going downhill ??? We have a couple devs that work their ass off to bring us top roms and kernels glad to have them aboard or it would be completely dead..... but it doesn't seem like it was as popular as before..... Are people going away from android, Or just no that interested into flashing roms no more..... I really miss the old days that you will sign into your device thread "TMOBILE" for me and would have to decide which rom and kernel to go with for the week lol......
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I been having galaxy phone since the s2..... I even remember with the s3,s4 there were pages of development but starting with the 5 is all been going downhill ??? We have a couple devs that work their ass off to bring us top roms and kernels glad to have them aboard or it would be completely dead..... but it doesn't seem like it was as popular as before..... Are people going away from android, Or just no that interested into flashing roms no more..... I really miss the old days that you will sign into your device thread "TMOBILE" for me and would have to decide which rom and kernel to go with for the week lol......
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get a nexus 6 its crazy there, i was flashing mad and sometimes 3/4 roms a day so no not dead just yet
just a bit slow here for now
Since note 3 this road has been slowly dieing
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Since note 3 this road has been slowly dieing
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That's exactly what I feel I mean go into any galaxy s3, s4 thread and look how many roms are out there u get bored of thinking which to pick from....... Don't know if many devs have grown out of it and are doing other things with their lives now or there is not a demand like before but I got my galaxy 5 and it was dead only like 2 or 3 roms for the full year i owned the phone....... now with the galaxy 6 is looking even worse
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That's exactly what I feel I mean go into any galaxy s3, s4 thread and look how many roms are out there u get bored of thinking which to pick from....... Don't know if many devs have grown out of it and are doing other things with their lives now or there is not a demand like before but I got my galaxy 5 and it was dead only like 2 or 3 roms for the full year i owned the phone....... now with the galaxy 6 is looking even worse
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Knox counter happened
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Knox counter happened
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Do people really care about knox so much ?? I mean you could still turn in a device that has knox tripped for jump...... and warranty do they even care if you turn in a device that has knox tripped like phone insurance ? I never seemed what the big deal is
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Do people really care about knox so much ?? I mean you could still turn in a device that has knox tripped for jump...... and warranty do they even care if you turn in a device that has knox tripped like phone insurance ? I never seemed what the big deal is
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Never delivered a device into a dealer to test if warranty existed after a knox counter breached
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i've turned several rooted phones into t mobile for problems when they were rooted, and they couldnt care less about root or knox..
Where you MIGHT have an issue is if you send a phone into Samsung itself..
And, as far as dev for this phone, I think it will pick up some as more time passes; its really only been 30 days since the official release, but yeah, the note 4 had a few roms within the first few weeks it was released.
Frankly, I think that there are so many annoying N00bs buying Samsung phones, that alot of the top Dev's have stopped buying them and if they do, they just make roms for themselves and their close "friends"..
XDA has become a haven for the leeches, the "I expect answers and help immediately" crowd, and most of the top Dev's got sick of that nonsense and either went private or went to Nexus phones..
I think I might go nexus when its time to "jump" soon...
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i've turned several rooted phones into t mobile for problems when they were rooted, and they couldnt care less about root or knox..
Where you MIGHT have an issue is if you send a phone into Samsung itself..
And, as far as dev for this phone, I think it will pick up some as more time passes; its really only been 30 days since the official release, but yeah, the note 4 had a few roms within the first few weeks it was released.
Frankly, I think that there are so many annoying N00bs buying Samsung phones, that alot of the top Dev's have stopped buying them and if they do, they just make roms for themselves and their close "friends"..
XDA has become a haven for the leeches, the "I expect answers and help immediately" crowd, and most of the top Dev's got sick of that nonsense and either went private or went to Nexus phones..
I think I might go nexus when its time to "jump" soon...
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That's it in a nutshell I think - I've been using custom roms and kernels since the original Galaxy S1 came out, and people on here and other forums have got progressively ruder and more demanding with each passing year, to the point where many devs have given up.
The sense of entitlement to features and support for what is usually a hobby for devs is sickening sometimes.
Also, to be fair, I think devices are getting that powerful and good than custom roms aren't needed to the same extent. Even root isn't as essential as it once was.
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The sense of entitlement to features and support for what is usually a hobby for devs is sickening sometimes.
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Boy, that statement should be in the OP of EVERY ROM on XDA..
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That's it in a nutshell I think - I've been using custom roms and kernels since the original Galaxy S1 came out, and people on here and other forums have got progressively ruder and more demanding with each passing year, to the point where many devs have given up.
The sense of entitlement to features and support for what is usually a hobby for devs is sickening sometimes.
Also, to be fair, I think devices are getting that powerful and good than custom roms aren't needed to the same extent. Even root isn't as essential as it once was.
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Your last point is what I think the real reason is. Android has gotten good enough that only the power users are going to root and constantly room a device. The average to techy user just doesn't see enough reasons to root a device. If you ask me, it is a pretty good problem to have.
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The only phones I've rooted and flashed were my Milestone and Captivate. Android hardware and software weren't exactly optimized at the time and performance wasn't great.
I've had my S3 for a good 3 years now and I never even rooted it. The performance was good enough that I never bothered. It only got slow with the most recent update but by now, the phone is 3 years old so I upgraded the hardware.
The other thing I didn't like about flashing is that once I did it, I often would have to flash again every other week because there was another update with fixes. It was hard to find something that I could flash and leave for 6 months or longer.
I will wish to jump to nexus if I can. My place or country rarely sell nexus. I didn't even see a real device my self. Only Samsung appear the most. My previous device was note 3, I do see the development slowing down. I hope the edge will have more developer since is a bit pricy and therfore, less newbie compare to s6
glad to see people are agreeing with me....... hopefully we could get a couple top devs back interested in developing some time soon
Another important factor is that Samsung is very closed source regarding their hardware, which makes it almost impossible for AOSP builds to run stably, especially on newer version of Android. Other vendors have made much more effort to support the developer community, so that's where the developers tend to head.
I dont know if I agree with that; my note 4 had/has several very nice and stable AOSP /cm12 based roms running 5.02 on it, but they were Snapdragon based, which may or may not be the difference when it comes to doing things with the Exnos processor..
I think you guys are forgetting that there are way more flagships from other manufacturers these days that are splitting the devs. Samsung used to be the king of the hill till HTC, Sony, LG and Motorola stepped up!
The Nexus is filled with lots of redundant roms which barely differentiate one from another.
When I owned the N5, I just left it at stock cause it was the most stable!
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Samsung used to be the king of the hill till HTC, Sony, LG and Motorola stepped up!
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Samsung was never king of the hill. HTC has made killer flagships since before Android. They also made the first Android phone. HTC has had the majority of devs since Windows Mobile. HTC was the main reason for xda to even exist. You want more devs, buy a HTC phone.
I think the real reason that Samsung doesn't get more devs here is because of the following:
1 Touchwiz
2 Touchwiz
3 KNOX
4 Switch to Samsung SoC
5 Devs know which devices are truly better, and the majority don't go Samsung.
It's a shame that Samsung is going down a path that is not dev friendly, after all competition is a good thing. They do have some nice hardware. If it weren't for Touchwiz(bloated bunch of crap) lagging the UI and KNOX, they would get a lot of attention here. But then again, all they really care about is totally volume of devices sold(like crapple), not if they are well received here. KNOX gets them enterprise sales, bye bye sd card!
BMW used to be a great company when they made only a few hundred thousand cars each year. Now they are like everyone else, they pump out high numbers of crap. Samsung is going down the same path.
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Samsung was never king of the hill. HTC has made killer flagships since before Android. They also made the first Android phone. HTC has had the majority of devs since Windows Mobile. HTC was the main reason for xda to even exist. You want more devs, buy a HTC phone.
I think the real reason that Samsung doesn't get more devs here is because of the following:
1 Touchwiz
2 Touchwiz
3 KNOX
4 Switch to Samsung SoC
5 Devs know which devices are truly better, and the majority don't go Samsung.
It's a shame that Samsung is going down a path that is not dev friendly, after all competition is a good thing. They do have some nice hardware. If it weren't for Touchwiz(bloated bunch of crap) lagging the UI and KNOX, they would get a lot of attention here. But then again, all they really care about is totally volume of devices sold(like crapple), not if they are well received here. KNOX gets them enterprise sales.
BMW used to be a great company when they made only a few hundred thousand cars each year. Now they are like everyone else, they pump out high numbers of crap. Samsung is going down the same path.
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Windows Mobile is not what is in question here! HTC was pretty much the only manufacturer that mattered in those days for that platform.
Ever since the first Galaxy S, Samsung has been king of the hill.
HTC is ridiculous with the S-Off nonsense in the same way that Samsung is with KNOX. But at least the bootloader is still unlocked for most of the Samsung variants!
Sony contributes to AOSP and encourages development it seems. Motorola is back in the game for now at least with the Moto X line. LG has been doing great since the Optimus G. OPO stole away a bunch of developers as well.
Lot more options now in comparison...not to mention the other great Chinese phones like Huwei, Xiaomi, ZTE, Oppo, Lenovo and the Taiwan based Asus!
sir_earl said:
Another important factor is that Samsung is very closed source regarding their hardware, which makes it almost impossible for AOSP builds to run stably, especially on newer version of Android. Other vendors have made much more effort to support the developer community, so that's where the developers tend to head.
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^^^ This, and this vvv
wase4711 said:
I dont know if I agree with that; my note 4 had/has several very nice and stable AOSP /cm12 based roms running 5.02 on it, but they were Snapdragon based, which may or may not be the difference when it comes to doing things with the Exnos processor..
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Samsung device + Exynos SoC = closed source, thus no fully functional AOSP or CM-based ROMs.