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Hey everyone I got an atrix for Christmas and I've already run out of application memory. Is that possible? Also I only have 10 gb of internal storage I don't know where the rest of it went. I'll post a screenshot
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It says you have a gig and a half? You still have a lot of memory
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cannuks76 said:
Hey everyone I got an atrix for Christmas and I've already run out of application memory. Is that possible? Also I only have 10 gb of internal storage I don't know where the rest of it went. I'll post a screenshot
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Yes it is. You have a limited amount of storage for applications. On your phone you have 1.41 GB. Once that is used you have no more room to install apps. Now you also a limited amount for storage for things such as pictures, videos, documents, etc. On your phone it is 10.71 GB. I know what your saying; that is only 12.12 GB. Where is the rest of my 16 GB of internal storage? The other 3.88 GB is where the android OS is stored. It is like a computer. Your harddrive may be 250 GB, but you don't see the full 250 GB because some of the storage space it is hidden since the OS is stored on it.
I didn't think this was possible. How many apps do you have?
Thanks for all the quick response and I think I get it now thank you! And I have about 20-25 apps including shadowgun which is something like 250 MB
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You are messing things:
There are several kinds of memory on your phone:
1. RAM partition- its 1GB, which actually you can use 815 MB.
2. ROM partition- Where the OS is stored. its something about 1-2GB.
3. Osh partition- a partition dedicated to the webtop. about 1GB.
4. Apps partition- Where the apps are installed. about 2 GB.
5. Internal storage partition- Where you store all kind of things, like a HDD in a computer. this memory you see when you connect your device to a computer. you have about 10.7 GB.
6. SD card- additional storage memory. external SD card to enhance your storage. its size depends on how generous you are.
Now, apps are being installed in No 4, and generally the heaviesr apps are something like 50 MB tops. to fill your apps memory you will have to install a whole lot of apps, surely more then 30 apps (for instance I have 140 apps installed, including some really heavy apps like shadowgun, MC3, IGO, World of goo and some other, and my apps memory has 1.14GB of free space).
The 250MB data of shadowgun is located generally in the storage memory,and this can run out on you, if you have a lot of music or movies, after all it has 10 GB which is quite a lot.
In your case it seems that you have plenty of memory avalable, both for apps and for general storage...
Hope it clarified something...
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Changed the word 'Memroy' to 'partition'.
10x matthew5025
Thanks I guess it was a little bug because when I installed space dog it said insufficient memory
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You are messing things:
There are several kinds of memory on your phone:
2. ROM memory- Where the OS is stored. its something about 1-2GB.
3. Osh memory- a partition dedicated to the webtop. about 1GB.
4. Apps memory- Where the apps are installed. about 2 GB.
5. Internal storage memory- Where you store all kind of things, like a HDD in a computer. this memory you see when you connect your device to a computer. you have about 10.7 GB.
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I would avoid using the word memory in these cases, partition is more appropriate.
How can this be? 16g Nexus, only 7g used. Only 3 free?
Mine did the same thing. Any clues out there ?
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Install DiskUsage to quickly go through your storage by size. If you have root, you can use it for your system partitions as well.
That's a great app ! Been using it for years it seems... In the OP there's a picture. The picture shows a gray bar that's supposedly only 3 GB's. The visual representation of space available is incorrect in the picture and on my device also.
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I've seen the same thing on mine, it's neglecting certain files/folders when making out what's using the storage, but the free storage number is usually correct.
I think in my case, my titanium backups weren't added in the equation. I moved them to an external mSD and since then it's been accurate.
Having the same problem since installing 4.1.2. Went from 5.5 gb free to 791 mb. Searched for a while but I can't find anything causing it. Glad you posted this, I was thinking of resetting back to stock and setting everything up again.
Ok, I hooked up to my computer and confirmed 13g and 3 free on Win 7.
The problem is I dont have 10g of files. I have one movie @ 4g and and 2g of music. I have checked the size of all folders on the sd and the numbers don't add up.
13-6=7 not 3 thats being shown. A significant difference!
I just found 2g in the clockworkmod folder. I did a backup prior to the 4.1.2 install. The blob folder is 2g. Can I delete it safely?
Yup, you could also move it over to pc just in case you'd ever need it.
Like I said, backups don't tend to get recognized by storage use, but DiskUsage shows em nice and clear
Logic_ said:
Yup, you could also move it over to pc just in case you'd ever need it.
Like I said, backups don't tend to get recognized by storage use, but DiskUsage shows em nice and clear
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Thanks!
Evening all. Just wanted to report that I've had good results using the Forever Gone app from the play store to improve lag on my non rooted xt925. It had gotten a bit sluggish lately.
The app essentially "formats" the free space on your ROM memory which seems to restore performance pretty significantly. Made a big difference on my nexus 7 too. It doesn't touch any of your files.
No affiliation, it just got recommended to me and I'm happy with the results. Especially since it doesn't require root.
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nice! thanks for sharing.
will try to use this app too
Good app the only thing is that it takes forever to process all your data..
But thanks for the post
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Oscarpr7 said:
Good app the only thing is that it takes forever to process all your data..
But thanks for the post
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Yeah, it does take a bit of time to do it's thing. Especially if you have a reasonable amount of free space. But it's definitely worth the wait IMHO.
I started it before I went to sleep one night and just let it do it's thing. I'm not sure how long it took on my Razr, but it was probably about 20 minutes on my Nexus 7. Again, definitely worth the wait though.
It takes for my razr hd with 9GB free space about ~40 min
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Giving this a try. Hoping for similar results
Someone tell me how it goes!
What I read from description in playstore: This app cleans already free space on your SDCard similar to writing Nullbytes into the sectors of the SD. No defragmentation.
Every scriptkidd should be able to write an app like this. The purpose of this app is to *hide*/destroy files that were being deleted from your SDCard so that they cannot be recovered by Undelete-/Recovery-Software.
I wonder how someone comes to the conclusion that this app would format and defragment rom memory or increases performance or decreases lags?
Also: Is this app 100% trustable? Nobody can ever know what happens to the data that is being scanned; maybe exaggerating a bit, but who knows if your sdcard-data gets sent to north korea?
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What I read from description in playstore: This app cleans already free space on your SDCard similar to writing Nullbytes into the sectors of the SD. No defragmentation.
Every scriptkidd should be able to write an app like this. The purpose of this app is to *hide*/destroy files that were being deleted from your SDCard so that they cannot be recovered by Undelete-/Recovery-Software.
I wonder how someone comes to the conclusion that this app would format and defragment rom memory or increases performance or decreases lags?
Also: Is this app 100% trustable? Nobody can ever know what happens to the data that is being scanned; maybe exaggerating a bit, but who knows if your sdcard-data gets sent to north korea?
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It works on the theory that when a file is deleted or moved off your memory it retains data that allows it to be recovered at a later date by a data recovery app. This retained data may slow down the I/O of your memory, creating lag. Remember that solid state memory works differently to optical storage. On an optical HDD or a DVD this type of thing wouldn't have much (any?) benefit. SSDs work differently though.
So what if every "scriptkidd" could write an app like this? How is that helpful to this discussion? I don't understand that comment...
If you don't trust it or don't believe the theory behind it, don't use it. Personally I don't keep stuff on my phone that I would be terribly worried about the North Koreans getting hold of, but I can't speak for others...
Look, at the end of the day, it's not my app. I couldn't care less if you install it or not. I used it and it improved my lag. It's that simple. I thought others might like to hear about that.
It works on the theory that when a file is deleted or moved off your memory it retains data that allows it to be recovered at a later date by a data recovery app. This retained data may slow down the I/O of your memory, creating lag. Remember that solid state memory works differently to optical storage. On an optical HDD or a DVD this type of thing wouldn't have much (any?) benefit. SSDs work differently though.
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Hmm. I guess there is something getting pretty mixed up. Everything that this App is doing is cleaning up some bytes/pointers on either the internal or the external sd card memory (by stuffing the sdard's free space with Nullbyte datafiles).
(Strongly simplifying in nearly 99% of "roms" the Android OS system files reside on the system partitions of *internal memory* and most apps reside on the internal "apps"/"data"-partition. Those partitions are not reachable for "Forever Gone" since it doesn't use root privileges, so these partitions (and it's "empty" memory space) cannot be "optimized" by this app. Therefore it *can not* reduce lag for system-apps like e.g. launchers or standard apps. "Performance Improvements" for whole systems are to be regarded as simple placebo effect - no matter how many fivestars this app achieves on playstore.
There's a *slim chance* that it maybe "kind of" works for Apps that make use of Apps2sd, when those Apps (and their data-files/databases e.g) get stocked/moved unto internal or external sdcard space. Or Apps that make frequent permanent use of internal/external SDCard space like games or navigation programs with offline map files on internal/external SDCard. So that those apps "start faster" or "feel more responsive".
Until there's no empiristically satisfying performance measurements ... it is of course allowed for everyone to "believe" in the magic this app is doing ... but only that.
I tried it too and didn't really see a noticeable difference. Theory being that flash memory has to do a wipe before write which slows it down. By wiping the card ahead of time, checksum would already be zero. As someone pointed out it only does the SD card and not the data partition where most writing happens. It would only help someone with specific SD card issues I think. It could actually make things worse if the app isn't wiping correctly. I would imagine that Android does garbage collection and TRIM but I've never looked to see if any partitions have the discard flag enabled.
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Hmm. I guess there is something getting pretty mixed up. Everything that this App is doing is cleaning up some bytes/pointers on either the internal or the external sd card memory (by stuffing the sdard's free space with Nullbyte datafiles).
(Strongly simplifying in nearly 99% of "roms" the Android OS system files reside on the system partitions of *internal memory* and most apps reside on the internal "apps"/"data"-partition. Those partitions are not reachable for "Forever Gone" since it doesn't use root privileges, so these partitions (and it's "empty" memory space) cannot be "optimized" by this app. Therefore it *can not* reduce lag for system-apps like e.g. launchers or standard apps. "Performance Improvements" for whole systems are to be regarded as simple placebo effect - no matter how many fivestars this app achieves on playstore.
There's a *slim chance* that it maybe "kind of" works for Apps that make use of Apps2sd, when those Apps (and their data-files/databases e.g) get stocked/moved unto internal or external sdcard space. Or Apps that make frequent permanent use of internal/external SDCard space like games or navigation programs with offline map files on internal/external SDCard. So that those apps "start faster" or "feel more responsive".
Until there's no empiristically satisfying performance measurements ... it is of course allowed for everyone to "believe" in the magic this app is doing ... but only that.
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Look, you're entitled to be skeptical. No dramas. I would agree with your comment that the app obviously can't access the restricted areas of the internal memory. That's pretty clear. But it doesn't claim to do that. The way I see it, any app that accesses free space in the internal memory could potentially see an increase in performance. Anything related to the photo gallery, music, movies, books etc which are all stored in accessible area. Also, I don't know about you, but when I look at the accessible area of my internal memory, most of my apps have created their own folder in there. I don't move any apps to SD, I don't see any point. So I can only assume each app is accessing the accessible internal memory of it's own accord. So whether it makes sense to you or not, many apps are clearly accessing the area of memory in question.
Secondly, of course the Android system and launcher would access the accessible area of the internal memory. They need access to images (wall papers etc), sound files etc etc.
I'm not sure what sort of empirical evidence you're looking for? Should one of the Universities begin a research project on this app? Are there many apps that come scientifically proven?
Again, whether it makes sense to you or not is irrelevant to the whole argument. I can 100% guarantee that this app made a significant improvement to lag issues on my Nexus 7 (not rooted). The difference was very obvious. If you believe it's placebo, great. But I'm happy that my Nexus 7 is performing how it used to in my placebo world. It had become frustratingly laggy lately. The app also made a difference on my Razr HD. Not as much of an improvement as the nexus, but then again, the nexus was much laggier than the razr before hand. If this app is magical, where can I find more magical apps?
I'm not a scientist and I'm not going to perform a peer reviewed experiment on this app. So if you're not keen on apps that aren't scientifically proven, it's probably best to give this one a miss...
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I tried it too and didn't really see a noticeable difference. Theory being that flash memory has to do a wipe before write which slows it down. By wiping the card ahead of time, checksum would already be zero. As someone pointed out it only does the SD card and not the data partition where most writing happens. It would only help someone with specific SD card issues I think. It could actually make things worse if the app isn't wiping correctly. I would imagine that Android does garbage collection and TRIM but I've never looked to see if any partitions have the discard flag enabled.
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It definitely accesses the accessible partition of the internal memory.
You'd be better off with this to fix lag but you must be rooted.https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.grilledmonkey.lagfix
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You'd be better off with this to fix lag but you must be rooted.https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.grilledmonkey.lagfix
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There are plenty of solutions for rooted devices. I hadn't come across anything for non rooted devices that actually made a difference until I used this.
richport29 said:
Giving this a try. Hoping for similar results
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Gave it a try, no noticeable difference unfortunately.
For anyone interested, it seems like Android 4.3 has a feature built in which is very similar to the function this app performs. The article refers specifically to the Nexus 7, but it's obviously relevant to pretty much an Android device.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7185/android-43-update-brings-trim-to-all-nexus-devices
I tested this app, and it's really great. But as lobie81 said, android 4.3 do the same thing with the implementation of TRIM
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I have a 16GB Nexus 4, with a few apps etc installed and now have only 6.8GB.
My question is, is it worth moving to Cyanogenmod to get more available memory.
or is there a way to delete some inbuilt files to get more memory.
Also what is the minimum memory the phone will operate on without causing any problems?
Use diskusage to see what's taking up space
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gjjh25 said:
I have a 16GB Nexus 4, with a few apps etc installed and now have only 6.8GB.
My question is, is it worth moving to Cyanogenmod to get more available memory.
or is there a way to delete some inbuilt files to get more memory.
Also what is the minimum memory the phone will operate on without causing any problems?
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minimum memory? There is not a direct science for that. Try slim roms since they cut out a lot of fat out of their roms. Also there are plenty of files that can be removed to save space but you have to do some research and see what you want and dont want. Root explorer is an app that can delete system files if necessary. Slim has it built into their rom.. Not root explorer but similar software
So I am cleaning up my phone when I notice I have these two folders that are identical.
Main question is, which one is safe to delete without making my phone go crazy?
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So I am cleaning up my phone when I notice I have these two folders that are identical.
Main question is, which one is safe to delete without making my phone go crazy?
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Definitely not. Leave it alone; everyone has those folders and I assure you they do not exist twice.
What makes me scratch my head is that both folders are the exact same size with the same content so I just don't understand why my phone needs double since it shows my storage at 17GB and want to free up some more space
One is a link to the other. They are not duplicated, they are one and the same files
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What makes me scratch my head is that both folders are the exact same size with the same content so I just don't understand why my phone needs double since it shows my storage at 17GB and want to free up some more space
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Alright, think about it this way. Open your file explorer and check the size of either of the folders by looking at their properties. For instance, mine both show that they add up to 10GB. I've also got about 3-4GB of space being used for backups and my system partition, and even more for apps. So my guess? Probably using at least 20GB of my storage. Keep in mind that I have a 32GB phone. Now if I go to settings > storage, it shows that I have 12GB of free space, so it all adds up. If you do the math, I couldn't possibly be using 20GB total for both of those folders, so they have to just be different paths to the same location, and yours probably is, too.
My conclusion: if you delete one of those folders, nothing good can come of it. Look elsewhere and account for your system itself (I see you are using the stock firmware, which is quite large due to LG bloatware) and the apps you use. Check Settings > Storage and see what's using so much space.
Thanks for confirming everyone. I guess I need to browse my phone system with my PC to find where the real bloat is at. Yes the LG apps do take up a bit of space.
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Thanks for confirming everyone. I guess I need to browse my phone system with my PC to find where the real bloat is at. Yes the LG apps do take up a bit of space.
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You might consider finding an AOSP ROM that fits your needs if you're looking for a bit more space. They tend to be a lot smaller than stock roms. Also, try clearing your cache.
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You might consider finding an AOSP ROM that fits your needs if you're looking for a bit more space. They tend to be a lot smaller than stock roms. Also, try clearing your cache.
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Cant live without Knock on or even the remote app since I stopped buying batteries for my remotes
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Cant live without Knock on or even the remote app since I stopped buying batteries for my remotes
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Knock on and the remote app have been ported and work very well. Check out Mahdi ROM, it works great on my G2. You can find the ported remote app in the Themes and Apps forum. Good luck!
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