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EDIT: woohoo, svetius fixed it... no more "IPHONE" at the top of XDA!!!
Consider this a rant.
I ALWAYS come here to help XDA and our community. I don't believe anyone would doubt that.
I make one thread *HERE* where I comment on not liking the IPHONE FORUMS button at the top...
In there I inquire about having an ANDROID ONLY forum and a MICROSOFT ONLY forum... seems like XDA is getting too big anyway....
I then encourage people to donate to XDA (Like I have)....
and then I get called a troll by some mod I dont know, and my thread gets locked?
Forgive me for helping people here everyday.
Forgive me for encouraging donations to XDA.
Forgive me for not enjoying looking at IPHONE everytime I post about ANDROID.
Forgive me for having an idea to split XDA up into sister sites (like you are doing).
Forgive me FOR BEING A TROLL... that part is laugable. Being called a troll was probably the spark that caused this rant.
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Consider me taking an extended break from XDA... if you need help PM me. I will still be lurking in the Dev section. Or trolling I guess?
Dude take a chill pill!
I was called a troll by the very group I was supporting....
I've never found the mods on here to be helpful.
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read between the lines. He wasn't calling you in general a troll. Notice how he stated "I wished threads like this remained civilized"? That means responses within the topic where troll topics, or troll bait.
Manstruation.
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I was called a troll by the very group I was supporting....
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I'm obviously new here but this does seem a bit counter productive of the forums to do. This rant has more behind it than being a "troll" and by the sounds of it the anger is founded.
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you are forgiven.
I'm sympathetic to you, but it's really the wrong place for such a thread. If you seriously hate seeing the word "iPhone" so much, why would you start a thread in Vibrant General about the iPhone?
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read between the lines. He wasn't calling you in general a troll. Notice how he stated "I wished threads like this remained civilized"? That means responses within the topic where troll topics, or troll bait.
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to be fair to the op, the mod originally said "obvious troll is obvious". Then he post was edited reopened and moved.
S15274N seriously helps TONS of people and goes above and beyond to contribute. Really weak sauce IMHO.
Vibrant, Bionix-V, Voodoo...
The more professional thing to do would be to send a PM to the mod who locked the thread.
i gotta admit....
i was trollin this morning....
i saw that thread when i was already in a pissed off mood...
for that i apologize for my part of the trollin...
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The more professional thing to do would be to send a PM to the mod who locked the thread.
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Agreed, that's why I did it.
And yes, his post was edited. To be fair, I edited my op to be better, but before I could post that I cleaned it up, it was locked.
that seems like a small thing to close a thread up for.
I think that thread was a suggestion, not a complaint, or rant as you said.
a pure suggestion.
and if people were flaming/trolling it, its the moderators duty, and job to handle that, is it not?
but s15, by just reading the OP, you kind of made it sound like a "DO IT NOW" like a command rather than a request, i can see how the mod would get kind of irritated, too.
"the_scottsmen: Obvious trolls are obvious. It's a pity threads like this can't remain civilised...I'll re-open it for now and move it to General."
The way I interpreted his statement was that the thread wasn't so much the issue, but that some of the more extreme comments were.
My personal on the button: I have no problem with it. I'm with birgertime. This site started as a winmo forum and grown into so much more. Why wouldn't they want to advertise their new sister site? ios is a huge platform and I'm sure they would like those eyeballs to head on over here. Plus those mac fans love to throw out money, like for fart apps. xda deserves money, not so much apple.
Stop whining...are u 5? Seriously? Xda does not need ppl like u crying for every little thing.
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Stop whining...are u 5? Seriously? Xda does not need ppl like u crying for every little thing.
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And we need less people who can't type.
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Stop whining...are u 5? Seriously? Xda does not need ppl like u crying for every little thing.
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THIS is a perfect example of "troll" "flame" and so on.
s15274n said:
Consider this a rant.
I ALWAYS come here to help XDA and our community. I don't believe anyone would doubt that.
I make one thread *HERE* where I comment on not liking the IPHONE FORUMS button at the top...
In there I inquire about having an ANDROID ONLY forum and a MICROSOFT ONLY forum... seems like XDA is getting too big anyway....
I then encourage people to donate to XDA (Like I have)....
and then I get called a troll by some mod I dont know, and my thread gets locked?
Forgive me for helping people here everyday.
Forgive me for encouraging donations to XDA.
Forgive me for not enjoying looking at IPHONE everytime I post about ANDROID.
Forgive me for having an idea to split XDA up into sister sites (like you are doing).
Forgive me FOR BEING A TROLL... that part is laugable. Being called a troll was probably the spark that caused this rant.
/rant
Consider me taking an extended break from XDA... if you need help PM me. I will still be lurking in the Dev section. Or trolling I guess?
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To the Mod that closed this: This is not IRAN we do not need the "Thought Police" telling us we shouldn't express our consternation with a given product or corporate behavior. I would agree to personally attack another person is inappropriate But, the fact is; in a forum such as this we have the right to express our thoughts about these products. After all, isn't that how the development section got started by a bunch of us who were angry with the corporate Lameness and took to solving the substandard products on our own...?........ Or are supposed to be sheep and stay silent ??? Hmmmm ???
Frankly, I have seen so much worse so, why this thread you guys have stock in Apple ???
Well I know XDA its ment for developers.. And they are kind enough to share their hard work with us.. Bringing new life to our devices and more..
Developers always gets piss off about stupid question and or issues reports without providing a logcat... While I'm agree with this.. I'm not agree with XDA letting average noob post in development section.. Looking at the nature of the forum I can not believe there's isn't a way to block a person from posting in development if that person at least doesn't have (3 months and 350 post) in the forums... That's Imho a reasonable period of learning how to be helpful and provide useful information in development area...
I look at the case of Francisco Franco.. I really enjoy his works and support him a lot.. I had his kernels when I had a Gnex and that + cm9 was the best experience of Android for me.. Then I've sold the gnex and bought the note and one of the reasons I came without thinking was franco kernels does support note.. For my surprise he stopped supporting because of the ****ing trolls about a bluetooth issue in the kernel and so we all rest has to pay for it not haven updates anymore...
Recently he came back and one of the very first welcome post was a random noob asking for the bluetooth again. ... And Ffs I don't want to lose Francisco support again... And he was very clear about it..
I think XDA SHOULD block as I said earlier users with the double conditional of (3 month old account and 350 post) from writing on development.. They could read and download but not write..
Any user with those conditions not only be experienced enough to provide a logcat but will be scared of messing in development because he could get banned and lose his hard work in the account.....
That said I think there is no excuses to do so.. Look also to Entropy... I think the guy gotta buy a new keyboard every day raging at Noobs posting bs in cm9/10 developed threads..
XDA go ahead and take actions before we lose our developers
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Wisdom strong in this post is. Franco is a really good developer and I'm sad he left Note. He used to develop for my old Huawei before he left for GNex and his kernel rocked. :thumbup:
But... One shouldn't take the regular forum trolls too seriously. Just leave them crying in their own **** and move own. There is also the report function here.
I agree with you though that there is way too much idiots in the development forums. Just look at the new JB PA 1.1 thread: couple of first pages just full of posts "how do I install this?" "does this brick my phone!?" etc. So annoying to find the actual bug reports or feedbacks through all the ****. This is because people are way too lazy to actually study anything these days. Everything has to brought to them ready and chewed.
Edit: and there is also this one hero that already bricked his note with JB PA because he didn't care to study stuff before flashing. :banghead:
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Just report their posts. The mods are also sick of it and are handing out infractions, IIRC. I have yet to see a noob post again after reporting him, so it works very well.
It seems the original dev section doesn't have the 10 post requirement like the normal dev section. And most spam is from people with one or a few posts. It would definitely help to have that 10 post rule there.
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Just report their posts. The mods are also sick of it and are handing out infractions, IIRC. I have yet to see a noob post again after reporting him, so it works very well.
It seems the original dev section doesn't have the 10 post requirement like the normal dev section. And most spam is from people with one or a few posts. It would definitely help to have that 10 post rule there.
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We can report.. But that won't stop the developer getting pissed and stopping development..
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I don't think post count is a good indicator at all: There are ppl. with 1000+ posts posting general rants in device specific forums...
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I don't think post count is a good indicator at all: There are ppl. with 1000+ posts posting general rants in device specific forums...
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Tbh there should be a read count for how many threads someone has read. :beer: That would just be a little hard to measure.
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I certainly agree on you with this one. But like in every other forum and the whole internet, you can't really prevent noobs and trolls. Trolls gotta troll man. Kinda hard to filter them out as it will require the mods to check every single day on every single thread with thousands of post on it and obviously that will take full time. Most of us specially moderators do this for a hobby.
Let's just do our part to make the community a better place. That is reporting trolls. Like the other guy said on the 2nd post, let's just click on that little report button and the mods will take care of the rest or you can just ignore the regular forum troll and move on like most of us do. An old internet saying "Don't feed the trolls" ignore them and the average forum troll will just hunt for the next trollable thread and will eventually get tired, while the persistent ones, well let's just keep on clicking the report button and wait for the banhammer to land
The post requirement or the tenureship in the forum is a fantastic idea though. Maybe even the thanks meter/level, like you could post even if you're not 3 months old or don't have 350 posts but if you do have a certain thanks level/meter you could post and access the restricted area of the forums. No one would press the thanks button if you didn't post something useful right?
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I don't think post count is a good indicator at all: There are ppl. with 1000+ posts posting general rants in device specific forums...
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put categories as "devs" and restrict allowed posts to those people only. then cross referrence the thread to a discussion page for noobs and others to bash each other.
those who wish to post in the dev section should provide a fully working firmware for downloads and testing purposes for the ones designated as "testers" on xda.
i know its a lot of work, but its a solution if the admin will put the political will to it.
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Well I know XDA its ment for developers.. And they are kind enough to share their hard work with us.. Bringing new life to our devices and more..
Developers always gets piss off about stupid question and or issues reports without providing a logcat... While I'm agree with this.. I'm not agree with XDA letting average noob post in development section.. Looking at the nature of the forum I can not believe there's isn't a way to block a person from posting in development if that person at least doesn't have (3 months and 350 post) in the forums... That's Imho a reasonable period of learning how to be helpful and provide useful information in development area...
I look at the case of Francisco Franco.. I really enjoy his works and support him a lot.. I had his kernels when I had a Gnex and that + cm9 was the best experience of Android for me.. Then I've sold the gnex and bought the note and one of the reasons I came without thinking was franco kernels does support note.. For my surprise he stopped supporting because of the ****ing trolls about a bluetooth issue in the kernel and so we all rest has to pay for it not haven updates anymore...
Recently he came back and one of the very first welcome post was a random noob asking for the bluetooth again. ... And Ffs I don't want to lose Francisco support again... And he was very clear about it..
I think XDA SHOULD block as I said earlier users with the double conditional of (3 month old account and 350 post) from writing on development.. They could read and download but not write..
Any user with those conditions not only be experienced enough to provide a logcat but will be scared of messing in development because he could get banned and lose his hard work in the account.....
That said I think there is no excuses to do so.. Look also to Entropy... I think the guy gotta buy a new keyboard every day raging at Noobs posting bs in cm9/10 developed threads..
XDA go ahead and take actions before we lose our developers
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Although you have a point here i really don't like the idea. Ok we need to restrict the troll posts but..... once you were a noob too !!!! What we see now is that this site has grown to numbers never seen before. In the early days there were only a handfull users, a few devices and not much to do. Nowadays if you have a problem EVERYBODY refers to this forum from other places. So basicly we have a flood of new, unexperienced, people that just have one big problem: THEY DON'T READ!!!! I've been a member for a long time now, learned a lot just by reading and only post when i think it's usefull to the comunity. Even after all this time i still sometimes ask questions like a noob, should i be blocked???
There is one solution for this problem: NOT allowing to post untill they have at least read a few posts MARKED as an obligation. But i don't think it's possible.
What we see here is the growing of a forum with soo many devices and people, i think about a year or two this will stabelize :laugh::laugh::laugh:
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Sometimes the trolls you are referring to are actually innocent noobs who are afraid of bricking their new Notes. They just want to double check some crucial things before attempting risky procedures.
Were we not all noobs at one point in our lives?
I know both trolls and noobs can be really frustrating but many of the members here can be quite impatient, responding rudely and degrading the once-friendly community.
I do agree with you though and I definitely think changes need to be made to ensure the development thread remains strictly development related. But I also think changes should be made to some members attitude too.
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put categories as "devs" and restrict allowed posts to those people only. then cross referrence the thread to a discussion page for noobs and others to bash each other.
those who wish to post in the dev section should provide a fully working firmware for downloads and testing purposes for the ones designated as "testers" on xda.
i know its a lot of work, but its a solution if the admin will put the political will to it.
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I abandoned a forum in my country due to "laws /rules" like that. Things were just getting out of proportion that it is impossible to help people there. Unfortunatly the mods over there think that they are god and if you make a reference about this forum or about rooting you will get banned !!!! I don't think that it's the future of this forum..
Restrict some topics to people that have more then xx months or xx posts will help. But i don't think it's possible to do. And what a bout people like me, i only read here, learn and do not post often. I don't have time to make a rom or custom firmware and come here for leasure ??? Am i elegible for seeing everything...... As you see it is very hard to make the choise about who can have full accesws and who doesn't.
becosemsaida
Write on development section thread should have some restriction.
And thank meter is one good criteria (just being member since long/posting just certain number of post dont make skilled)
if member have at least 10-20 thank meter he/she must have some skill and may not post noob Q.
There is always Q/A section is open for newbies.
this needs to be said.....
i have to call you out on this. The OP has been posting bizarre and rambling questions in DEV threads, getting all pissed off when ppl ask him not too, and has even admitted to not wanting to bother reading the thread because he is not that stupid.
It is people LIKE YOU that are bringing this place down.
If you cant be bothered searching or reading, you DO NOT BELONG on a development website. end of story.
If you want to make your phone look pretty to impress your mates, go some place else. XDA is all about the journey - the end result is not so important. its about trying things yourself and sharing knowledge. If you are just lucky enough, you might even be able to help someone out!
do not come here to whinge and flame others when you break the rules (do NOT post in a dev thread if it is not directly related to the development of that thread).
Also, you have to wonder how a user of 4 months has over 1000 posts, and some members have been here for years with only 500 posts.....
/rant
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Sometimes the trolls you are referring to are actually innocent noobs who are afraid of bricking their new Notes. They just want to double check some crucial things before attempting risky procedures.
Were we not all noobs at one point in our lives?
I know both trolls and noobs can be really frustrating but many of the members here can be quite impatient, responding rudely and degrading the once-friendly community.
I do agree with you though and I definitely think changes need to be made to ensure the development thread remains strictly development related. But I also think changes should be made to some members attitude too.
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So? When I was uncertain about something I posted it in either the general or Q/A section. Why the hell should anyone be posting questions in the dev section?
And no, despite contrary belief, some people are newbies, some people are noobs. Not everyone used to be a noob. There is a massive void between the two. A newbie is one that is self-learning and is capable of exercising some semblance of common sense with regards to forum rules and forum etiquette when he joins a new forum.
So please, if you want to consider yourself a noob at one point, go right ahead. But do not make sweeping statements that everyone was a noob.
trolls and noobs should rot in hell
as for noobs,reading and jesus saves....
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PoisonWolf said:
So? When I was uncertain about something I posted it in either the general or Q/A section. Why the hell should anyone be posting questions in the dev section?
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And I completely agree with you. So why are you being all pissy about it?
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And no, despite contrary belief, some people are newbies, some people are noobs. Not everyone used to be a noob. There is a massive void between the two. A newbie is one that is self-learning and is capable of exercising some semblance of common sense with regards to forum rules and forum etiquette when he joins a new forum.
So please, if you want to consider yourself a noob at one point, go right ahead. But do not make sweeping statements that everyone was a noob.
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Well clearly my definition of a noob/n00b/newb/newbie is different to yours. So I apologise if my "sweeping statement" offended you (and/or anyone else).
Are we not fighting for the same thing here?
Gee fricken wizz.
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I think XDA SHOULD block as I said earlier users with the double conditional of (3 month old account and 350 post) from writing on development.. They could read and download but not write..
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I think XDA should do nothing here.
There are no real reasons to rage at some users posts.
There's nothing SO bad about it.
You can always press 'report' button if some super-mega-trolls come to your thread (I haven't seen any yet)
As for me, XDA community is currently not so friendly as it should be.
Devs raging at most of the posts, advanced users trolling noobs...
That's really not so nice.
Blocking users with small post count or small thanks count, etc is unacceptable in my opinion. Really.
Maybe XDA is meant for developers, but developers can't exist without users they are developing for.
Here is Example, why we should need some control
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upgrades to lrk from lrg yesterday. No issues with deep sleep in both 404 version. Battery lasts more than a day. I am a very heavy user. I am satisfied with the performance, battery consumption.
I always factory reset after flashing a rom. You can do that but at your own risk. I am aware of the brick bug but i have don't at least till 40 times on stock kernel and no issues so far.
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I have factory reset over 40 times on stock ICS kernel and no issue so far.
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That's not a noob issue.............This is just a person that is STUPID !!!!!!!!!!!
I already called his atention but that is going to be a full days work with all these............ (glup)
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That's not a noob issue.............This is just a person that is STUPID !!!!!!!!!!!
I already called his atention but that is going to be a full days work with all these............ (glup)
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This I agree, sometimes it's not that they're noob, it's that they're kiasu, as we Singaporeans call it. They spam devs with stupid questions, since it's free to ask anyway, and expect people to be free 24/7 to reply.
Also, many devs hate XDA. Because much dev work is not being appreciated here. In the Acer Iconia A500 section, both devs "Thor2002pro" and "dexter_nlb" have made amazing contributions to the community, but many *******s don't appreciate what they have done. They have left subsequently.
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Does anyone want my International version? I have no use for it since I had Verizon, so if you guys could help me out that way that would be nice.
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Does anyone want my International version? I have no use for it since I had Verizon, so if you guys could help me out that way that would be nice.
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You could probably sell it here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1321
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You could probably sell it here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1321
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It says I can't post there):
How much you looking to get mate
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How much you looking to get mate
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Around 500, it's brand new.
The rules don't say..."o...if you can't post in the market then feel free to post anywhere you like".....do they?!
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^^ lol exactly
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The rules don't say..."o...if you can't post in the market then feel free to post anywhere you like".....do they?!
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Yawn.
You know what's more irritating than people breaking the rules? People complaining about people breaking the rules.
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Yawn.
You know what's more irritating than people breaking the rules? People complaining about people breaking the rules.
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Technically I wasn't complaining,I was merely posting to let it be known it had been reported so it can be moved to appropriate section, understand [Insert well known kernel governor name] ?
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The rules don't say..."o...if you can't post in the market then feel free to post anywhere you like".....do they?!
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So where do you suggest he post? In the general section of Iphone?
Be realistic. I realize many people here are so anal about posting in wrong forums and always go about ' out of topic. Delete thread please'. Didn't know Internet had such draconian rules. And it seem to me people just get kicks from flaming all the 'noobs' in xda talking about its 'former glory', without noobs .
Now I understand why people shy away from Android and prefer the simpler iphone. It's because they won't face criticism for being new to the area. Remember we are all once a noob. People should be more helpful instead of so hostile over here.
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So where do you suggest he post? In the general section of Iphone?
Be realistic. I realize many people here are so anal about posting in wrong forums and always go about ' out of topic. Delete thread please'. Didn't know Internet had such draconian rules. And it seem to me people just get kicks from flaming all the 'noobs' in xda talking about its 'former glory', without noobs .
Now I understand why people shy away from Android and prefer the simpler iphone. It's because they won't face criticism for being new to the area. Remember we are all once a noob. People should be more helpful instead of so hostile over here.
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I didn't suggest posting anywhere as the rules say you can't use the market until you have been a member for a year. I did the correct thing by reporting it.
The reason I posted is to let the other people that help keep the forum clean know,that I had reported, hence saving the moderators from dealing with multiple reports.
Furthermore, have you stopped to consider the op might be a scammer?(Apologies op) and that is why rules exist, in order to minimise the risk of such occurrences.
If you have a complaint about me, then feel at liberty to report me. If not, then you know what to do.
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Technically I wasn't complaining,I was merely posting to let it be known it had been reported
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That's strange. There's not one mention of reporting anything in your post. Looks like that message might have got lost in your piss-poor attempt to be witty.
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Further more the op has posted 3 times in different forums, and one has been locked already, awaiting the same for other 2!
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That's strange. There's not one mention of reporting anything in your post. Looks like that message might have got lost in your piss-poor attempt to be witty.
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writing "reported" is inflammatory, so I use ©®™ so that the other people that help out around here know that it has been reported, for the reason I previously stated.
So now and for future reference you know what it means.
slappy©®™ takes no offence to you not enjoying his humour, it just proves you can't keep everyone happy, but he will endeavor to keep, at least, some of the people happy and smiling.
Oh, for the love of-
Slappy is absolutely right! He's right to report it and this thread is likely to get shut down by the moderators. There's a reason we have law, order, and proper threads for appropriate requests! Don't be churlish. Also, read rule #11 before you start flaming people for doing the right thing;
11. Don’t post with the intention of selling something.
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Oh, for the love of-
Slappy is absolutely right! He's right to report it and this thread is likely to get shut down by the moderators. There's a reason we have law, order, and proper threads for appropriate requests! Don't be churlish. Also, read rule #11 before you start flaming people for doing the right thing;
11. Don’t post with the intention of selling something.
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I never said OP was absolutely right. My point being people here flaming for every small things. Sure go ahead and report the thread, no need to add insult to injury and go about being all sarcastic. Just let the moderators do their job.
Don't you think applying ' law and order' is a bit far fetch here? I do not believe OP has any ill intents other than having a question.
Sometimes I don't get the moderators or some forummers. No offense but I feel that there is nothing wrong with the having discussions about things related to s3 in the GENERAL section. Just like why I don't understand why the thread regarding sunlight readability of s3 was closed. Sometimes I come into this forum and feel that it's quite dead, with only very few threads that are alive. Many threads on comparison of Iphone and s3 were closed. I mean why can't we post apple news here, we s3 users can discuss about how superior our s3 are to the iphone! its quite troublesome to switch to and forth from iphone section to s3 section if we wanna discuss about both phones isn't it. I
I might be wrong but I do not believe having more threads and discussions, even those that may be slightly out of topic, will cost a whole lot of bandwidth . Why not make the general section more lively other than sticking with the!'jelly bean discussion' and 'jb leaks bugs' thread alone?
Thread closed, selling of devices is only allowed in the marketplace.
1- Original Android Development
2 - Android Development
Got a clue?
FYI all questions should be in the Q&A section. You should ask to have this thread moved.
Not sure but I have been running code fire x BR2 with matrix kernel in the original section and loving this combo!:thumbup:
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OK, if someone could please move this to the QA thread please. Didnt know if it had to do with this thread if it should be in here... wasnt really a question about the nexus
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FYI all questions should be in the Q&A section. You should ask to have this thread moved.
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Agreed
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ml3000 said:
1- Original Android Development
2 - Android Development
Got a clue?
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original android development = original android development (ie building android from source)
android development = using a base/other sources and adding in certain features/tweaks
so your thread is clearly posted in the wrong forum!
Original Android Dev has "ORIGINAL" DEV. It has official ports and works that are ORIGINAL and NEW.
The other has port and custom built roms.
Hope this helps and IB4L
Its to fake out all the people that like posting questions in the developers thread.
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tspx23 said:
original android development = original android development (ie building android from source)
android development = using a base/other sources and adding in certain features/tweaks
so your thread is clearly posted in the wrong forum!
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Ahh, makes perfect sense, thanks.
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Its funny how all the so called new Sr members are all quick to treat the guy like sh!t because he didn't know he couldn't ask a question here.
So quick to sound like you know what your talking about. Please... u guys are in the midst of going through XDA puberty. Does it feel good not to be called newbs?
If u can't answer the question then please don't answer negatively. Thanks.
Funny how none of u have the power to do a thing about this post LOL.
Lets the mods do their job as I'm sure they will find & move this thread.
To the OP I see that u got your answer a few posts above (thx tspx23) Now u know
Dave778 said:
Its funny how all the so called new Sr members are all quick to treat the guy like sh!t because he didn't know he couldn't ask a question here.
So quick to sound like you know what your talking about. Please... u guys are in the midst of going through XDA puberty. Does it feel good not to be called newbs?
If u can't answer the question then please don't answer negatively. Thanks.
Funny how none of u have the power to do a thing about this post LOL.
Lets the mods do their job as I'm sure they will find & move this thread.
To the OP I see that u got your answer a few posts above (thx tspx23) Now u know
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Yeah we all love the "fake" mods that tell everyone what to do lmao
Good points there dude. Sadly these little XDA kids will always be like this. Just like in COD smh
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Nuff bromance thread jacking.
Ask questions in the question sub forum...common sense ain't so common.
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Dave778 said:
Its funny how all the so called new Sr members are all quick to treat the guy like sh!t because he didn't know he couldn't ask a question here.
So quick to sound like you know what your talking about. Please... u guys are in the midst of going through XDA puberty. Does it feel good not to be called newbs?
If u can't answer the question then please don't answer negatively. Thanks.
Funny how none of u have the power to do a thing about this post LOL.
Lets the mods do their job as I'm sure they will find & move this thread.
To the OP I see that u got your answer a few posts above (thx tspx23) Now u know
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Yeah we all love the "fake" mods that tell everyone what to do lmao
Good points there dude. Sadly these little XDA kids will always be like this. Just like in COD smh
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Users like you two are what's wrong with the community.
New people come here and they aren't aware of the rules. Then, members who are more acquainted tell them the standard behavior and how they should treat the forums. "Post topics in relevant subforums. Questions go in Q&A, accessories goes in Accessories, etc" and "this has already been answered, you should have used the search function."
These are not rules made to piss you off. They are not rules by accident. They are suggestions of common sense and practical experience that helps prevent the forums from becoming disorganized and repetitive. You have no idea what a burden it is to have dozens of threads talking about the same thing. Or, to want to browse threads of a certain theme (Themes, for example), but every other thread is of a vastly different topic.
It is tremendously childish to disparage someone who is trying to help enforce rules. They only do so for the sake of clarity and organization. You are being very unhelpful by not directing new users and letting them do whatever they want. What do you think is accomplished if everyone takes your attitude? Those new users require feedback and guidance. The only response OP should make in regard to this is: "oh, I didn't know. Thank you for telling me so genially. I will remember this lesson."
It's tragic that both of you can be so condescending and immature, yet simultaneously chastise rule-enforcers–who are actually cordial and helpful–of being condescending and immature. That sounds uncannily child-like. You two are ridiculous and should feel ridiculous.
Don't think the mods are ever vigilant and omnipotent. Unless they read through every post of every thread, they aren't going to catch everything. That's why there's a report button next to every post. Simply posting a comment to let new users know that the posters should adhere to certain guidelines to maintain organization and reduce clutter helps mods tremendously by distributing the manpower needed to manage a huge forum like xda.
Seriously, the other posters are actually contributing by informing OP of how the site works, while you two are basically saying "F the man! I do what I want, and you should do what you want! YOLO!" This attitude leads to a terribly organized forum. I can't even fathom what goes through your heads. "Yo, don't listen to these more experienced xda members! They are just nerds! Instead, they should be listening to me!"
Honestly, you two need to grow up.
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Users like you two are what's wrong with the community.
New people come here and they aren't aware of the rules. Then, members who are more acquainted tell them the standard behavior and how they should treat the forums. "Post topics in relevant subforums. Questions go in Q&A, accessories goes in Accessories, etc" and "this has already been answered, you should have used the search function."
These are not rules made to piss you off. They are not rules by accident. They are suggestions of common sense and practical experience that helps prevent the forums from becoming disorganized and repetitive. You have no idea what a burden it is to have dozens of threads talking about the same thing. Or, to want to browse threads of a certain theme (Themes, for example), but every other thread is of a vastly different topic.
It is tremendously childish to disparage someone who is trying to help enforce rules. They only do so for the sake of clarity and organization. You are being very unhelpful by not directing new users and letting them do whatever they want. What do you think is accomplished if everyone takes your attitude? Those new users require feedback and guidance. The only response OP should make in regard to this is: "oh, I didn't know. Thank you for telling me so genially. I will remember this lesson."
It's tragic that both of you can be so condescending and immature, yet simultaneously chastise rule-enforcers–who are actually cordial and helpful–of being condescending and immature. That sounds uncannily child-like. You two are ridiculous and should feel ridiculous.
Don't think the mods are ever vigilant and omnipotent. Unless they read through every post of every thread, they aren't going to catch everything. That's why there's a report button next to every post. Simply posting a comment to let new users know that the posters should adhere to certain guidelines to maintain organization and reduce clutter helps mods tremendously by distributing the manpower needed to manage a huge forum like xda.
Seriously, the other posters are actually contributing by informing OP of how the site works, while you two are basically saying "F the man! I do what I want, and you should do what you want! YOLO!" This attitude leads to a terribly organized forum. I can't even fathom what goes through your heads. "Yo, don't listen to these more experienced xda members! They are just nerds! Instead, they should be listening to me!"
Honestly, you two need to grow up.
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To inform ppl & to direct our newer members to the correct forums is one thing, But to make fun of or to ridicule users is another & not acceptable let alone helpful. Its because of [email protected]$$ comments like that, that alot of users have left to other Android forums. Bravo you deserve a star for that...NOT.
If you actually read my post above you would see that I was not referring to our members that were helpful, But only the ones that creat a bad user experience for our newer/older members alike. Kind of like you. I rest my case.
There's a reason that not everybody is a mod. Thankfully you are not
MODS please close/move this thread to the correct forum already.
Dave778 said:
Its funny how all the so called new Sr members are all quick to treat the guy like sh!t because he didn't know he couldn't ask a question here.
So quick to sound like you know what your talking about. Please... u guys are in the midst of going through XDA puberty. Does it feel good not to be called newbs?
If u can't answer the question then please don't answer negatively. Thanks.
Funny how none of u have the power to do a thing about this post LOL.
Lets the mods do their job as I'm sure they will find & move this thread.
To the OP I see that u got your answer a few posts above (thx tspx23) Now u know
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It's funny how you contradict yourself in your own post. You say that if you don't answer the question, that you shouldn't respond negatively, yet you throw out a few quips at other people.
You say none of us have the power to do a thing about this post yet you are wrong. Every single member should have the ability to report this thread for moving. Seeing as how you passively say that the mods will find this thread, I'm assuming you didn't report this thread either. Simply saying "mods please move this thread" doesn't bring it to their attention. They are not omnipotent and are not alerted to a new thread by simply posting "MODS."
I've gone ahead and reported the thread to be moved. For future reference to anyone who sees a thread posted in the wrong place. Feel free to direct the member to the correct location, but also report the thread for housekeeping.
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It's funny how you contradict yourself in your own post. You say that if you don't answer the question, that you shouldn't respond negatively, yet you throw out a few quips at other people.
You say none of us have the power to do a thing about this post yet you are wrong. Every single member should have the ability to report this thread for moving. Seeing as how you passively say that the mods will find this thread, I'm assuming you didn't report this thread either. Simply saying "mods please move this thread" doesn't bring it to their attention. They are not omnipotent and are not alerted to a new thread by simply posting "MODS."
I've gone ahead and reported the thread to be moved. For future reference to anyone who sees a thread posted in the wrong place. Feel free to direct the member to the correct location, but also report the thread for housekeeping.
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My comment was not aimed at any one person. You & Hung on the other hand are abusive over the internet (note how I said over the internet LOL)
-You ASSUME I didn't report this thread w/o basis of any fact(s) LOL
-It was reported hrs ago
-Thank you for giving us your permission to report the thread/future threads as it is your permission that makes a difference if we/I do... ...SERIOUSLY?
Are you for real?
From one Sr member to another... thanks for pointing out the obviously obvious...
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My comment was not aimed at any one person. You & Hung on the other hand are abusive over the internet (note how I said over the internet LOL)
-You ASSUME I didn't report this thread w/o basis of any fact(s) LOL
-It was reported hrs ago
-Thank you for giving us your permission to report the thread/future threads as it is your permission that makes a difference if we/I do... ...SERIOUSLY?
Are you for real?
From one Sr member to another... thanks for pointing out the obviously obvious...
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Dave, quote the posts that you mentioned before. The ones that do not genially guide the OP to better use the forums. Because you claimed that some of the posts were condescending (you used many more, unnecessary words, but condescending captures the essence). Please quote them.
Also please provide which part of my post was abusive. Do so and I will apologize if I find that out-of-context, I was being inappropriate. As far as I can tell, you are being far less articulate, far less exact, and far more accusatory than ANYONE else in this thread. FAR MORE ACCUSATORY.
Your post is the first post in this thread that incited anything out of the ordinary. I suspect you are troll-baiting, or you are just plain wrong and have a hard time defending yourself with words.
Also, you are wrong to thing this is e-thugging. You are e-thugging. I have been using words and providing evidence and logic to the best of my ability to prove you wrong, and specifically referring to things you say and exact sentiments within the community. You have done nothing but put up a battered straw-man argument.
Dave778 said:
My comment was not aimed at any one person. You & Hung on the other hand are abusive over the internet (note how I said over the internet LOL)
-You ASSUME I didn't report this thread w/o basis of any fact(s) LOL
-It was reported hrs ago
-Thank you for giving us your permission to report the thread/future threads as it is your permission that makes a difference if we/I do... ...SERIOUSLY?
Are you for real?
From one Sr member to another... thanks for pointing out the obviously obvious...
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Rather than carrying out this conversation over a thread that has already been answered, I went ahead and PM'ed you to prevent spamming up this thread.
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Dave, quote the posts that you mentioned before. The ones that do not genially guide the OP to better use the forums. Because you claimed that some of the posts were condescending (you used many more, unnecessary words, but condescending captures the essence). Please quote them.
Also please provide which part of my post was abusive. Do so and I will apologize if I find that out-of-context, I was being inappropriate. As far as I can tell, you are being far less articulate, far less exact, and far more accusatory than ANYONE else in this thread. FAR MORE ACCUSATORY.
Your post is the first post in this thread that incited anything out of the ordinary. I suspect you are troll-baiting, or you are just plain wrong and have a hard time defending yourself with words.
Also, you are wrong to thing this is e-thugging. You are e-thugging. I have been using words and providing evidence and logic to the best of my ability to prove you wrong, and specifically referring to things you say and exact sentiments within the community. You have done nothing but put up a battered straw-man argument.
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I agree with you Hung. Your responses have been well-written and appropriate. I also agree that Dave's posts have been more instigating than anything else. However, I think it would be best to take this to PM as I have. I wrote out a nice response, similar to the kind you have written and sent it via PM so it doesn't look like we are arguing on the boards. Let's keep it clean. I encourage Dave to do the same and reply via PM
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Dave, quote the posts that you mentioned before. The ones that do not genially guide the OP to better use the forums. Because you claimed that some of the posts were condescending (you used many more, unnecessary words, but condescending captures the essence). Please quote them.
Also please provide which part of my post was abusive. Do so and I will apologize if I find that out-of-context, I was being inappropriate. As far as I can tell, you are being far less articulate, far less exact, and far more accusatory than ANYONE else in this thread. FAR MORE ACCUSATORY.
Your post is the first post in this thread that incited anything out of the ordinary. I suspect you are troll-baiting, or you are just plain wrong and have a hard time defending yourself with words.
Also, you are wrong to thing this is e-thugging. You are e-thugging. I have been using words and providing evidence and logic to the best of my ability to prove you wrong, and specifically referring to things you say and exact sentiments within the community. You have done nothing but put up a battered straw-man argument.
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Save the drama. I'm not going to babysit you (I'm not a mod) or go digging through your posts trying to prove to everyone what's already been said & done/seen. Your posts speak for themselves, need I say more?.
Your previous posts where anything but appropriate but everyone is entitled to their opinion... Even Stryder.
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What the hell, u asked so here I am babysitting (last time Hung)
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(1) -Users like you two are what's wrong with the community.
(2) -It's tragic that both of you can be so condescending and immature, yet simultaneously chastise rule-enforcers–who are actually cordial and helpful–of being condescending and immature. That sounds uncannily child-like.
(3) -You two are ridiculous and should feel ridiculous.
(4) -you two are basically saying "F the man! I do what I want, and you should do what you want! YOLO!"
(5) - "Yo, don't listen to these more experienced xda members! They are just nerds! Instead, they should be listening to me!"
(6) - Honestly, you two need to grow up.
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(1) Abuse aimed directly at another forum member (directly at 2 members actually)
(2) Abuse aimed directly at 2 forum members + Name calling
(3) Abuse aimed directly at 2 forum members
(4) Spreading lies about other forum members who said no such thing or did such a thing
(5) Making more false statements about other forum members who said or did no such thing
(6) Borderline Abuse aimed directly at 2 forum members
Yeah... Real appropriate. I'm done wasting my time with you. I could go on but I'll stop here as I have more important things to do than argue with ... well ...you
Hows that for (in your words) "exact"?
You create a horrible abusive user experience here at XDA. I'm ashamed to have even replyed to you.
It's no wonder why so many people have left XDA to goto other forums when opinionated extremists like yourself are belittling & harassing every new member that comes along.
You talk nonsense to me & I'll put you in your place. Nothing you could do or say could faze me the slightest, But new members who haven't been around as long feel harassed, threatened & uncomfortable when you abuse them (like you tried to do with me & NoLunchBox_) & they leave for other forums.
Recognize
MODERATORS please move this thread to the proper forum & close. The OP got his answer and now it has just become an abuse thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1219612
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Im no dev, so, for what ive seen, I should not be able to post on devs forums even if im replying to someone's question. So instead of getting bullied out of the forums, im gonna suggest to mods to ban anyone like me who's just a senior member from the dev forum to avoid all those "move your stupid question to the q&a thread recently created mumbo jumbo whatever ever and change your post with moved to wherever".
Most people here are not devs. I dont mean to disrespect any dev or anyone who share their work, but, I think this kind of changes just made things difficult to devs and end users alike having to look to two threads to find an answer or to answer. Mostly because google brings better search results about xda than the xda search option.
Maybe I get a post regarding this one about moving it to hell.
A lot of really plain sarcasm mixed with plain truth.
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FCORivers said:
Maybe I get a post regarding this one about moving it to hell.
A lot of really plain sarcasm mixed with plain truth.
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lol, you may hear it but definitely not from me
q&a threads are new for me too (been on xda a few years ago, lurking before registering. and a lot has changed since then.
it's just that dev threads are getting a lot of same questions asked again and again, with some people responding in the beginning and later bullying. it's normal. just reading the rom thread and going to q&a thread to post a question is not difficult. meanwhile dev thread should be for posting bugs and solutions and updates. it makes the whole thread a lot more easy to follow
FCORivers said:
Im no dev, so, for what ive seen, I should not be able to post on devs forums even if im replying to someone's question. So instead of getting bullied out of the forums, im gonna suggest to mods to ban anyone like me who's just a senior member from the dev forum to avoid all those "move your stupid question to the q&a thread recently created mumbo jumbo whatever ever and change your post with moved to wherever".
Most people here are not devs. I dont mean to disrespect any dev or anyone who share their work, but, I think this kind of changes just made things difficult to devs and end users alike having to look to two threads to find an answer or to answer. Mostly because google brings better search results about xda than the xda search option.
Maybe I get a post regarding this one about moving it to hell.
A lot of really plain sarcasm mixed with plain truth.
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Which devs forums are you talking about? As far as I know, you can post there as long as it is helpful, no matter what it is or what rank you are.
As gilbert said, it's just to keep away the n00bs who can't bother to read.
Edit: @Kameirus Exactly.
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As gilbert said, it's just to keep away the n00bs who can't bother to read.
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which is 89 percent of users
Dont get me wrong, I understand but still think that for this rules to work we need an effective way to search xda. Ive been ignored before when asking something which is already answered, but all this "move your post to somewhere else" and "then editing your post on said thread and moving it to another" is annoying and just add more post without being useful to anyone. If the question was answered then ignore like before.
I know my comments wont make any difference. That doesn't mean I wont be reading and posting any more, lol.
On other topic, why would you want to keep away the noobs? Weren't we all noobs at some point? Or everyone was a recognized developer and android/linux experts when first registered on xda? I still dont know jack about anything. I know how to read and write.
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Marvlesz said:
Which devs forums are you talking about? As far as I know, you can post there as long as it is helpful, no matter what it is or what rank you are.
As gilbert said, it's just to keep away the n00bs who can't bother to read.
Edit: @Kameirus Exactly.
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Well, I got another of the post mentioned before because I shared my setup on a specific rom so another user could find the problem on his install. At least I thought I was helping, btw, the post has been there for about 3 weeks before I got the "you are ot cause this is not dev related".
And im talking about this forums, I own an HD2, an O1, and SGS2, all from T-Mobile. The hd2 is the one I love flashing the most.
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@FCORivers
not everyone are noobs.
people who search before posting aren't noobs. people who read before posting aren't noobs
people who ask "hoe brinj hd2 android phnoe in start bot" and similar stuff are noobs. people who don't even bother searching are noobs. people know how to read and write, but those who don't bother doing them correctly are noobs.
people who come to new roms' threads and post bugs posted in op and in first few pages are noobs. and unfortunately those end up on xda via google or youtube.
posting a question is not wrong, but expecting the development thread to be a user manual and consumer support is just wrong. this is one of the reasons q&a threads exist.
and why keep the noobs away? lets just remove the 10 post rule, let noobs fill development threads with "how instal zs ram" and "hoe flash kernil" and "phone bricked" and "my mother punished me for phone not turn on any more". what's easier??
I'm very sure that posting a question in a dev thread and moving it to q&a and leaving a note that it's been moved isn't something hard.
I'm not trying to be lame by any way.
Gilbert
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Dont get me wrong, I understand but still think that for this rules to work we need an effective way to search xda. Ive been ignored before when asking something which is already answered, but all this "move your post to somewhere else" and "then editing your post on said thread and moving it to another" is annoying and just add more post without being useful to anyone. If the question was answered then ignore like before.
I know my comments wont make any difference. That doesn't mean I wont be reading and posting any more, lol.
On other topic, why would you want to keep away the noobs? Weren't we all noobs at some point? Or everyone was a recognized developer and android/linux experts when first registered on xda? I still dont know jack about anything. I know how to read and write.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16682226&postcount=2439
Marvlesz said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16682226&postcount=2439
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exactly. what i said was inspired by this and another post(i forgot where from)
I still think you havent understood me.
I have been ignored when asking stupid qs before, I dont think q&a threads are users guides. If the post is about something already asked, ignore it, if it is stated in op ignore it. Its not about that. Its about polluting a thread asking people to move their posts. Do you think my post is polluting cause is not dev related? What about two post instead which arent dev related? I never access this site via pc or laptop and never ever on my phones web browser which makes moving posts a little bit more complicated than over pc. Why dont get a pm from the same mod to ask you to do that and kindly ask devs to add q&a link in op? Most devs have done that already. So if a noob still fails to follow the rules then a kind pm reminding him/her the rules. But a "deleted post" or "moved post" is still not dev related, there will be a post non the less. Mod posted about new q&a threads, I know.
I dont expect anyone to agree and probably language has something to do with me not being able to make a point here as English is not my native language. Its just that I feel like a little kid getting reprimanded cause most of the time ( im not perfect) I thoroughly searched before posting and still have missed some answers.
As I mentioned before, I had a post like that for sharing my setup. My post was there for about 3 weeks before I got reprimanded. So I see it like the mod wants his new authority to be noticed.
I wont post anymore on dev threads if I dont find my answer on the q&a thread with out detailed info and logcat, got it, but going back 3 weeks on an unattended, almost forgotten rom thread (sorry dev, not meaning anything bad about the rom, I liked it for a while) is what I was complaining for.
Yes im an old crybaby, lol.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16682226&postcount=2439
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Thanks for the read.
But I dont care if that post has 2 million thanks and states what is right, is not really what ive seen in this forums. You dont have to be my friend to be friendly, you dont have to be rude either. Ignoring works miracles, lol.
Havent got a post like that in any other device forum here on xda.
Nah, ignore this one too.
Edit: forget every little thing. Just my bad attitude mixed with a stupid misunderstanding.
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Please, kind Mod, delete this topic/thread.
Thanks.
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FCORivers said:
Please, kind Mod, delete this topic/thread.
Thanks.
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Use the small triangle next to the OP to report the thread instead of bringing it up