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OK, so before this phone I previously had a vibrant and then the mytouch4g. I live in a so called 4g area. The nexus s seems right in line with my vibrant and I can get a tick under 6mbps down. The upload here is faster on my nexus than the vibrant or the mytouch, at around 1.7mbps. The mytouch at Max could pull about 7.5mbps. I can't remember if I ever got more than that. I'm not making this threat to complain about the speeds of this phone.
My question is, if this phones radio can get a theoretical Max of 7.2mbps download, is that an unrealistic number even when the tower can pump out higher speeds? For example, the mytouch has a Max of 14.4mbps but even in a 4g area it never pulled down close to that. I'm thinking the speed of the radio is like alot of things where you have the theoretical Max and then you have the functional limit. Am I wrong saying that? Has anyone gotten a 7mbps download speed off the phone? Or conversely, if anyone has owned a g2 or mytouch4g, have you reached speeds anywhere close to those maxes? Is tmo even pumping out that much bandwidth yet?
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Jayrod1980 said:
OK, so before this phone I previously had a vibrant and then the mytouch4g. I live in a so called 4g area. The nexus s seems right in line with my vibrant and I can get a tick under 6mbps down. The upload here is faster on my nexus than the vibrant or the mytouch, at around 1.7mbps. The mytouch at Max could pull about 7.5mbps. I can't remember if I ever got more than that. I'm not making this threat to complain about the speeds of this phone.
My question is, if this phones radio can get a theoretical Max of 7.2mbps download, is that an unrealistic number even when the tower can pump out higher speeds? For example, the mytouch has a Max of 14.4mbps but even in a 4g area it never pulled down close to that. I'm thinking the speed of the radio is like alot of things where you have the theoretical Max and then you have the functional limit. Am I wrong saying that? Has anyone gotten a 7mbps download speed off the phone? Or conversely, if anyone has owned a g2 or mytouch4g, have you reached speeds anywhere close to those maxes? Is tmo even pumping out that much bandwidth yet?
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closest ive gotten on my nexus is 6.5 down and 3 up
Wow that's an amazing upload speed!
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Wow that's an amazing upload speed!
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And i by no means live in a small city.
Corona is 30-40 mins from LA, population like 160,000 people. so it isnt some podunk town
Damn you live in corona and get those speeds? I'm down in temecula, but on ATT. I see around 3 Mbps but have been thinking of switching.
Anyway theoretical max is most always limited by the backhaul to the tower, depending on how many T1 or more connections it has. But you should be able to get pretty damn close to max if all things were right in the perfect conditions.
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Damn you live in corona and get those speeds? I'm down in temecula, but on ATT. I see around 3 Mbps but have been thinking of switching.
Anyway theoretical max is most always limited by the backhaul to the tower, depending on how many T1 or more connections it has. But you should be able to get pretty damn close to max if all things were right in the perfect conditions.
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ya the speeds out here are pretty damn good
You will definitely run into the limit of the processor using SpeedTest.
You can show this if your home DSL / cable is fast enough. I get 17-19Mbps down and .9mbps up over WiFi through my DSL (Free, in France, ASDL 2+, and I live 800m from my CO in Paris, I'm using WiFi N from an AirPort Extreme) using my MacBook Pro (core i7, 8GB RAM so it can take it. ), running SpeedTest to a Paris server in Chrome. Using the same WiFi, I can get up to 8.5mbps down and .9 up on my Nexus S, connecting to the same server through the SpeedTest App.
I therefore know that while my connection can support much higher speeds, the phone's hardware/software can't handle them. For reference, an iPhone 4, right next to the NS, pulls up to 6.9mbps down. My N1 can do about 6.5 at best, and my old faithful milestone at stock clocking couldn't do better than about 4.5. Given that the Hummingbird processor in the NS is at 1ghz, and the hardware-similar iPhone's A4 (the GPU, much better in the NS as a SGX540 versus the iPhone's SGX535, isn't engaged at all by speedtest) is running at roughly 750-800mhz, those scores seem to indicate that the processor is the bottleneck with this test on these devices. Idem for the N1 versus the Moto - it is generally 1.4x to 1.5x faster with most CPU kinds of stuff compared to the Milestone, and the 6.5 to 4.5 ratio tends to follow that. I can't tell you why the N1 is slower consistently than the iPhone 4 at this test over WiFi, but it most definitely is.
Over 3G, I get wildly variant service all over Paris. I've seen up to 6mbps with the iPhone 4, the NS, and the N1, and up to (still) about 4.5 with the Milestone.
3G radio signal is something else entirely - the Moto is by far the best, then the NS, and then you have to fall a long, long way before you get to the iPhone and the N1.
San Fernando Valley here.
Never seen more than 3Mb/s on the NS on the down side, usually 1.5-2Mb/s on the up. My N1 in the same locations routinely pulled 4Mb/s down, about 1.5-2Mbs up. Highest I recall ever seeing is 4.4Mb/s on the N1 down.
One thing I've noticed with the Speedtest app is that the default server for me, Los Angeles, is often very slow for all devices. I can pull faster speeds if I test against Bullhead City or other Az cities.
I concur with @big_adventure that the phone's software seems to limit it rather than the wireless technology. I'm on a 30Mb/s FIOS line at the house, the laptop gets 32 down, 20 up, the Nexus S on the same WiFi node maxes out 12Mb/s down and 7Mb/s up.
I'll try to run some tests today to see if my N1 can still get the 4Mb/s speeds it used to average at my office. I'll also run some tethering tests and see what the laptop can pull over the tether for comparison.
running speed tests on a mobile phone, the bottleneck is ALWAYS the mobile hardware. the combination of cpu, memory type and speed, are ALWAYS the bottleneck when speed testing on a phone. so its the whole package that matters. maybe the nexus 1 has slower RAM memory but faster CPU, but the iphone 4 has slower CPU but faster memory, etc.
I'm getting 2.7-3.8mbs download and ~1.7 upload(never seems to change much) here in different parts of North Dallas.
I just did about a dozen tests between the two phones (Nexus S and Nexus 1), from my office, where I used to get 4.0Mb/s on the N1 in Speedtest app on the phone.
I ran a couple of tests against 3 different servers (Los Angeles, Lake Havasu, Bullhead City) on each phone, and again on my laptop tethered via wifi hotspot to the Nexus S.
I threw in a few extra tests on the NS after a reboot of the phone (to swap the sim back and forth between the two phones).
The results were pretty much the same for each method.
I peaked out at 2.9Mb/s down on both phones, and 2.8Mb/s on the tethered laptop.
Upload speeds more interesting, the Nexus One maxed out at 1.3Mb/s on every test to every servier, the Nexus S got 1.7Mb/s on every test to every server, and on the tethered laptop as well.
Both phones show full bars and 3G and I used the Antennas app from the Market to confirm that both phones were connected to the same cell tower.
Perhaps not the best field testing, but good enough to show me that if either phone has an advantage over the other, in my area, it's actually the NS because it's getting 40% faster uploads and comparable downloads.
It also shows me that my fears that the NS wasn't getting the 4.0Mb/s I am used to in this location is not because of the device, it seems to be a change in the quality of service here.
As a final point of interest, I ran the same tests using my iPhone 4 on AT&T. Averaged about 1.9Mb/s on the down, 1.0 on the up. This was interesting because this phone was averaging 2.6-ish down last time I tested it here. It seems that both AT&T and T-Mo aren't serving up what they used to here near the Van Nuys Airport.
This also speaks to what I've said consistently about T-Mo vs AT&T...when I can get service from T-Mo it's much faster than what AT&T gives me, but the problem with T-Mo is too many areas that I can't get signal from them around here where AT&T is available on the phone.
currently my Galaxy Nexus is away at samsung as its dead
should get it fixed or replaced soon
anyhoo, I digress
Its 4.65 display is too big for my hands (carpel tunnel sydrome)
So I was looking at the 4.0 to 4.3 phones
Choices boiled down to
Nexus S
SE Xperia Arc S
Sensation XE (may still be to big)
Sammy GSII (may still be to big)
So last night I got the SE Xperia Arc S, today its going back
buttons are way to low on it (carpel tunnel sydrome)
And its WiFi tether seems very poor.
I have unlimited data inc tethering my phone are my broadband connection
I have line of sight to my cellphone companys local mast
I get an average of 5mbps busy time, 10mbps quiet time
The Galaxy Nexus would give me the same results of speedtest either by the app, or on the website on my i7 laptop
The galaxy Y thats my standby phone gives me 4mbps average gives me the same results of speedtest either by the app, or on the website
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The SE Xperia Arc S, has hit 9.6mbps in the app, but its wifi tether will not go much above 3mbps
It also drops and hangs the tether A LOT meaning you sat there waiting a lot.
So looking at the Nexus S, I know the S is limited by hardware to 7.2mbps
But does it get the same good results WiFi tethered?
I get around 6 mbps while tethering.
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The same here in Italy, using both USB and WiFi tethering.
it tested it several times till now, and cant make out any difference in performance. thw wifi connection isnt that stable sometimes, but i switched appartments recently, so i dont know if there are lower wifi circumstances around here.
sounds good
the key is to be above 3.5mbps = 720p streaming without having to precache the video
the Arc S with its upto 14mbps hsdpa should have suited the bill perfectly.
It does on the phone, but not in tether
PS, what upload speeds are you getting ???
http://geekaphone.com/compare/Samsung-Galaxy-S-Plus-vs-Google-Nexus-S#network
"8.03 mbps " down
"2.23 mbps " up
are these resonable figures through tether ?
Im pushing here because I can get one in 3 hours?
but after then I wont be able to.
that's about what I get with ns4g with 4g turned on (maybe just a touch faster) so the fact that you are getting that with your 3g, I would say, is pretty good
Its a 3.5G network
Some us cell phone companies call it 4G (faux) G
I have an htc inspire 4g and it barerly works on wifi if at all in the location i would most want to use it in. My ps3/xbox 360/netbook all work fine on wifi in the same exact location. Does the nexus 7 have a good built in wifi?
sportscrazed2 said:
I have an htc inspire 4g and it barerly works on wifi if at all in the location i would most want to use it in. My ps3/xbox 360/netbook all work fine on wifi in the same exact location. Does the nexus 7 have a good built in wifi?
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I've never had any issues. !!
Snappy and no connection problems to date !
Sat side by side connected to the same router My ONE X has 2 bars My Nexus 7 32gb has 4
I can tell it's way stronger than my gnex
Much stronger than my Nexus S. However my phone is two years old so it's possible quality has dropped since then.
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I can tell it's way stronger than my gnex
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I agree with that. My nexus has most of the time 4 or 5 bars, whereas my gnex has 2 or 3.
WiFi worked fine for me. Just note that it doesn't support 5GHz
Works good for me
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Works very well. Actually picks up the Hotel wireless across the street from the light rail station I use.
I use it at home streaming Hulu+ while standing in front of the microwave popping popcorn.
Not sure what the huge deal is moving to "dual band" with 5GHz to get away from the interference I don't seem to be encountering. Actually I do, dual band with the proper client yields the potential to have a much faster wireless connection (600Mbps) versus the peak theoretical with single band 2.4Ghz (300Mhz).
If I'm not getting the interference in busy downtown Seattle, where is it exactly?
Wifi has been great, but I have noticed once I rooted and put a custom kernel on that signal was not as good as on stock. Just would notice I would lose signal in spots at home when I never used to.
I picked up a N7 yesterday, no complaints yet. I agree the Wi-Fi connection is more stable than my GalNex.
thanks everyone for the responses.
Nexus 7 has wifi issues
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thanks everyone for the responses.
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I'm about to return mine because of wifi issues. It was really fast at browsing a week ago when I got it but now it's a slug browsing the net. Even after a factory reset same slow problem browsing. The apps themselves were fine just web surfing. Every page I visit takes 10-20 seconds to load on chrome and Firefox . My ipad and iPhone does it in 1-2 seconds using the same darn wifi. Many resets and same slug issues. I never modded or anything. Very weird.
Nexus 32 GB
Have my iPad 3rd gen same room and have full bars and nexus has 2 or 3 not bad at all.
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N7 probably has the best wifi of any device I've owned.
well i bought the thing based on web reviews about the wifi and price. my motodroid has horrible wifi problems and this thing has never dropped my connection in the few months of owning.
My experience is that the Nexus 7 got a pretty decent range on the wifi antenna. When it comes to speed my GNexus is pretty much about 2-3 times as fast. Easily seen when updating large apps on Play Store.
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I have been having issues with my phone where it seems to get VERY slow speeds on my home WiFi.
All other devices get very high speeds (eg. Laptop 300+ Mbps, OneplusOne 105Mbps, Nexus 5 60Mbps, Nexus 7 70Mbps).
My Moto X Pure though, for some reason, often gets very unstable speeds varying from 5Mbps to 40Mbps. There is rare occasion when it gets full speeds of 160+ Mbps, but not often.
Anyone else experiencing awkward slowness? It sucks when updating larger apps.
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I have been having issues with my phone where it seems to get VERY slow speeds on my home WiFi.
All other devices get very high speeds (eg. Laptop 300+ Mbps, OneplusOne 105Mbps, Nexus 5 60Mbps, Nexus 7 70Mbps).
My Moto X Pure though, for some reason, often gets very unstable speeds varying from 5Mbps to 40Mbps. There is rare occasion when it gets full speeds of 160+ Mbps, but not often.
Anyone else experiencing awkward slowness? It sucks when updating larger apps.
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Yes. I see slow LTE speeds as well. I posted about it here and Motorola.com and of course no one had anything to say. Top speed at home on wifi is about 180 Mbps. Its rare I get that. I check it with the speed test app and maybe the 3rd time I try it will be at max speed. Normally I see about 50-60. I feel like my LTE speeds are way slower than what they used to be at home and at work. About half of what they were with my old Droid Turbo. Debating getting another one. Not sure if I got crappy antennas or what. I have nothing else to go on since no one else could give me any feedback.
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I have been having issues with my phone where it seems to get VERY slow speeds on my home WiFi.
All other devices get very high speeds (eg. Laptop 300+ Mbps, OneplusOne 105Mbps, Nexus 5 60Mbps, Nexus 7 70Mbps).
My Moto X Pure though, for some reason, often gets very unstable speeds varying from 5Mbps to 40Mbps. There is rare occasion when it gets full speeds of 160+ Mbps, but not often.
Anyone else experiencing awkward slowness? It sucks when updating larger apps.
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Yes. I just noticed this yesterday. I'm doing more research but it appears unless I'm right on top of my router it sucks. I'm likely going to be sending back my Pure to moto over this as soon as I confirm other phones do much better (pretty sure my other ones do but need to do back to back comparison of them).
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Yes. I just noticed this yesterday. I'm doing more research but it appears unless I'm right on top of my router it sucks. I'm likely going to be sending back my Pure to moto over this as soon as I confirm other phones do much better (pretty sure my other ones do but need to do back to back comparison of them).
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Initial indications are that it's got abysmal 5.8 ghz performance beyond maybe 15 feet. Much worse than other devices. Very good though on 2.4 only.
Further comparisons seem to indicate it might be on par with other portables. Dunno for sure. Still investigating. Just noticed it as it can get really, really bad on 5.8 while still connected.
I'm having the worst WiFi speeds imaginable right now, while my one plus has great speeds on the same WiFi. Any solutions for this?
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I noticed that my Moto X drops WIFI connectivity every few seconds when I'm in a particular area of the house and the phone's Bluetooth is on. My Wife's N5, N7 and my old N4 work OK so it's definetly something to do with the phone.
Actually, I was checking out my network the other day, and was surprising surprised at the actual connection speed it was reading. Laptop gets maybe 650mbps connection in the same location. Behind 2 walls about 60ft away from Asus AC68 router. which hides behind a TV.
internet is local company, 50 up/50 down... down speed is about on par with other devices
I just got this phone yesterday and I've got to say I'm very surprised about it. It's very useful $300 phone and it does everything is $700 phones does. Sorry for bad grammar I'm using text-to-speech. But I've also noticed that if you switch to the 2.4 gigahertz you don't have the Wi-Fi issue for some reason it's only the 5 gigahertz
What is everyone getting as far as their 5Ghz wireless performance? I understand everyone's connections are different, but in general, is it on par with what you expected?
I have 1Gbps home internet with a Linksys EA 8500 Router (MU-MIMO), 4x4 AC). When I do my speedtests by isolating the Note 7 as the only connected device, I get much lower speeds than my Note 5 to the tune of about 100Mbps. I test on the same server, same time of day, same speedtest app etc. So, I am curious if everyone is happy with their wifi performance.
Thanks in advance.
2.4 is better unless u getting interference then use 5.
I pay for 125 mbps down and 10 up, getting 122 down and 12 up on 5ghz. This is while in the same room as router tho.
The differences between 2.4GHz and 5GHz Wireless
The primary difference between the 2.4 GHz and 5GHz wireless frequencies is range as the 2.4GHz frequency is able to reach farther than the 5GHz frequency. This is a result of the basic characteristics that waves attenuate much faster at higher frequencies. So if you are more concerned with the coverage, you should select 2.4GHz rather than 5GHz.
The second difference is the number of devices on the frequencies. 2.4GHz suffers more interference than 5GHz.
The older 11g standard only uses the 2.4GHz frequency, majority of the world is on it. 2.4 GHz has fewer channel options with only three of them non-overlapping, while 5GHz has 23 non-overlapping channels.
A lot of other devices are also on the 2.4 GHz frequencies, the biggest offenders are microwaves and cordless phones. These devices add noise to the medium that can further decrease the speed of wireless networks.
In both aspects, choosing to deploy on the 5GHz frequency is the much better option as you have more channels to use to isolate yourself from other networks and there are far fewer interference sources.
But the radar and military frequency is also 5GHz, so 5GHz wireless may also have some interference, and many countries require that wireless devices working on 5GHz should support DFS(Dynamic Frequency Selection) and TPC(Transmitting Power Control).
Summary:
5GHz has a shorter range compared with 2.4GHz;
The 2.4GHz frequency is way more crowded than 5GHz, devices on 2.4GHz suffer much more interference than the ones on 5GHz;
Fewer devices are capable of using the 5GHz channel than the 2.4GHz channel.
If there is too much interference around and your clients support 5GHz, it’s recommended to use 5GHz wireless network, otherwise you’d better select 2.4GHz.
I'm getting 364 mb down and 165 mb upload
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Yeah something is wrong with the 5 ghz... On my Note 5 I could hit 400-560 mbps down and 300-400 up. Now struggling to get 205-230 mbps down and 350 up on Note 7..Both say a link connection speed of 866 mbps.
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Yeah something is wrong with the 5 ghz... On my Note 5 I could hit 400-560 mbps down and 300-400 up. Now struggling to get 205-230 mbps down and 350 up on Note 7..Both say a link connection speed of 866 mbps.
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Thanks much. About exactly what I am experiencing as well.
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lol
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lol
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Whats so funny? Must be your useless post about wifi frequencies and interference?
What's so funny is the rambling about the same stuff about 5ghz like it's better because it's a bigger number
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What's so funny is the rambling about the same stuff about 5ghz like it's better because it's a bigger number
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Well, considering 2.4ghz can not (better said-does not) support ac, I'd say 5ghz is better for high speeds, as ac is capable of much higher downstream speeds than N.
I'm sorry, but you were the one rambling. The original queation was if 5ghz band on the note 7 was performing as expected. Apologies if I wasnt clear enough.
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Well, considering 2.4ghz can not (better said-does not) support ac, I'd say 5ghz is better for high speeds, as ac is capable of much higher downstream speeds than N.
I'm sorry, but you were the one rambling. The original queation was if 5ghz band on the note 7 was performing as expected. Apologies if I wasnt clear enough.
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Honestly this is what is wrong with America, do not apologize for this guys ignorance. Its obvious from his very 1st reply; his tiny whittle bitty brain couldn't phantom the dialogue taking place. In other words this guy doesn't know jack sh**. Excuse the sharpness but its annoying seeing a person spout bs when I know for sure Im not crazy and Samsung has a issue here. Im not even mentioning my LTE performance... At my desk in my bed room the Note 5 could hit easily hit 60-100 Mbps on LTE, this Note 7 struggles to hit 60 Mbps. Hows your LTE by the way?
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Honestly this is what is wrong with America, do not apologize for this guys ignorance. Its obvious from his very 1st reply; his tiny whittle bitty brain couldn't phantom the dialogue taking place. In other words this guy doesn't know jack sh**. Excuse the sharpness but its annoying seeing a person spout bs when I know for sure Im not crazy and Samsung has a issue here. Im not even mentioning my LTE performance... At my desk in my bed room the Note 5 could hit easily hit 60-100 Mbps on LTE, this Note 7 struggles to hit 60 Mbps. Hows your LTE by the way?
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No worries, I was frustrated as well!
Probably should have added a sarcasm emoji after the apology lol.
Well, I only get about 20Mbps down and about 5Mbps up where we live over LTE. My Note 5 had the same struggle, though. My signal shows pretty weak most of the time while at home, even outside. I'll pull some speeds when I get back to Houston next week and see what it does. Of the major cities I travel through in Texas, Houston seems to be have the strongest speeds in my experience.
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Purchased note 7 , and I have this problem. Linksys ac1900 router. O have a note 5 and it sits side by side and there is a huge difference. Note 5 on 5ghz gets almost the full 100mb I get on my isp. The note 7 gets on the low end 6 mbps to a high of 30 mbps . Will try moving sims around later , but there is for sure a problem with this.
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Mine won't even connect to 5Ghz. Always connects using 2.4. I have an Asus AC 3100 router.
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Well, I only get about 20Mbps down and about 5Mbps up where we live over LTE.
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With respect, you refer to 20Mbps as "only?" What is that level of bandwidth not sufficient for on a mobile phone?
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With respect, you refer to 20Mbps as "only?" What is that level of bandwidth not sufficient for on a mobile phone?
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That's a fair question for sure.
I described it as "only" as a comparative term. In larger cities I used to see double those speeds. 20Mbps is sufficient for sure, but where's the fun in being sufficient lol!
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Just an update brought a POS ZTE and in the exact same location the LTE on it tops out around 70 mbps and on 2.4 gHz it does about the same.