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so the streak has been released in the US now and for quite some time in the UK/euro and nothing has changed.
we got a few companys making cases that are neither unique or exciting but basically we are still stuck with a niche device with a small user base. now i love my streak but i cant help but feel is only a matter of time before it gets pulled from sale and all support/updates axed. i know at the moment its a hot device but you have to admit there is a air of death in the air compared to say the galaxy S.
i hope im wrong but i really dont think i am.
Isnt 2.2 suppose to be released in September for streaks in America? Then again I don't think it's confirmed. Once 2.2 is out things should speed up also the fact the streak doesn't appeal to a massive audience it seems to appeal more to us geeks that's all we need. It shouldnt be to long before dell release the source i would imagine.
Also no offense to the galaxy s but it has its fair share of problems and that really doesn't do it any favors so I wouldn't be writing about that .
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if Dell get the marketing right they could have a hit on their hands. here in the UK i've been out the field the last week (literally, camping) and the Streak proved it's mettle and a great talking point. now, at this juncture i think Dell suffer a bit from being branded a "box shifter" but i honestly think if Dell get their values correct with the Streak it will be around for a long time.
however, i am the first to admit that Dell does not have a great track record at leading a category - they tend to do whatever Microsoft and intel tell them to do (to the tune of a few tens of millions of dollars if anyone's been following the court case).
you just know when Apple release a 5" pocket computerphone that the pod people will buoy the marketing along for Apple ... Dell just does not inspire that kind of loyalty, or, is/has been getting the grass roots/astroturfing balancing act totally wrong.
It very much reminds me the story of N900.
Great hardware with great potential killed by the lack of interest of manufacturer, caused by the inability of big corporations to follow up on innovation.
I think the reason it does not move so fast at the moment is the lack if an updated os, but having mine for about an week now, I have to say the old os is somehow conceiled very good. The only lacks are the newest features that I have become used to via eclair and froyo..
And I am very sure that a lot of people are waiting to buy until froyo arrives. And as more and more people get tech interested, these " niche" gadgets get more popular.. So my two cents say that Dell will have the success they intended with the device.
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Godo_PPL said:
So my two cents say that Dell will have the success they intended with the device.
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I just don't see it. This device caters to geeks basically. Most consumers don't want a gigantic phone. My personal experiences have been normal consumers saying the device is too big, too ugly, and too niche.
uberamd said:
I just don't see it. This device caters to geeks basically. Most consumers don't want a gigantic phone. My personal experiences have been normal consumers saying the device is too big, too ugly, and too niche.
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This is what I heard from a regular Mac+iPhone user. And non-pocketable.
Until he took streak to a hand noticing how thin it is. And it fits into my pocket! Amazing. And the touch screen is very nice...
Overall reception was "it's not that stupid as it looks"
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I think the reason it does not move so fast at the moment is the lack if an updated os
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It bugs me that so many reviewers cite old "firmware" (presumably they mean OS) as a reason to mark down the Streak. That's a crap reason, and a hallmark of a crap reviewer IMHO. I bought my Streak over the Desire because I knew that any (ok... most) software issues can and will be corrected, either by Dell or by us lot over here... but no software update will allow the Desire to browse the internet so comfortably, or be a reasonable e-reader, or enhance the (slightly) weaker battery, or make it such a beautiful platform for CoPilot, etc. In face, the only thing I did not like was the proprietary connector (because that can't be fixed by software). That is, until I found out it's a PDMI port.
A friend of mine recently crowed about updating his Desire to Froyo. I asked if it'd upgraded him to a 5" screen. He looked sad.
I just can't help feeling that over the next few months, we will find the Streak becoming greater and greater as cooked ROMs emerge. Good times ahead.
Honestly I think our best hope for Froyo is to keep bugging Dell about their GPL violations until they release their source so the community can get it up and running themselves (and yes, that's not such a great option either). Given what I have seen so far, I wouldn't really trust Dell on this.
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so the streak has been released in the US now and for quite some time in the UK/euro and nothing has changed.
we got a few companys making cases that are neither unique or exciting but basically we are still stuck with a niche device with a small user base. now i love my streak but i cant help but feel is only a matter of time before it gets pulled from sale and all support/updates axed. i know at the moment its a hot device but you have to admit there is a air of death in the air compared to say the galaxy S.
i hope im wrong but i really dont think i am.
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You are not wrong. And that's why I haven't bought one yet. I even get a 10% Dell discount because I'm a student. But the lack of buzz and adoption of the Streak almost guarantees it to obscurity or failure. At that time I'll happily pick one up. I feel it's just priced too high and will slide down the closer we get to super/hot/awesome/fire greatness or the next thing. I'd like it to succeed as well, but I think Dell has screwed this from the start.
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I just don't see it. This device caters to geeks basically. Most consumers don't want a gigantic phone. My personal experiences have been normal consumers saying the device is too big, too ugly, and too niche.
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I will assume the idea from Dell was not to release this as an "mainstream" device, but a device to appeal to geeks and such. It is no way that Dell thinks 5" is a phone for the mass market!
I am pretty sure this is a device launched to make Dell look like an serious actor to be reckoned with in the future. Genius would I say starting on the top of the pack.
But, just my opinion....
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I feel it's just priced too high and will slide down the closer we get to super/hot/awesome/fire greatness or the next thing.
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Well you get a lot more for your money than an HTC Desire, Samsung Galaxy or an iphone,
suposed to be the greatest phones ever
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the Streak makes them look 'tacky n nasty little boys toys', which is what they are.
The Streak is like owning a top of the range BMW, you're not going to find accessories for it in Halfords/Wallmart
With a lot of bug...
I think the real failure in north america is the device is locked to at&t used only.
At the end, it's a nice device to have.
I think that is a good product too but the network driver is very buggy in 2.1 (8023) and if this release is the final release, it's a very bad things....
It is BMW not finished.....
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the network driver is very buggy in 2.1 (8023) and if this release is the final release, it's a very bad things....
It is BMW not finished.....
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Well that's not finished yet either you muppet.
I don't think i've ever visited a forum where people download an OBVIOUSLY UNFINISHED AND UNTESTED ITEM then all winge about it
All the BS about it being official and how you should send the 'leaker' a donation makes me want to puke.
NEWS: the official one (when released) will be mentioned on the official websites, them being Dell or 02 themselves which will have a link, might be a bit obvious for some!
If Dell Streak owners are all that gullible, i'm going to start buying all the old first release 1.6 seconhand ones on ebay i can find, install 2.1 then sell them as BNIB just delivered from factory. As they obviously believe everything they are told.
In the End
I'm going with ATT, t-mobile is foobared on this phone
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I think that is a good product too but the network driver is very buggy in 2.1 (8023) and if this release is the final release, it's a very bad things....
It is BMW not finished.....
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On my X5 they had to exchange 2 shocks in the first 18 months (fortunately they did for free even though after the warranty expired).
Besides, was there ever a perfect product?? Look at the iphone, took them a whole year just to get cut and paste, 3 years to get even basic multi-tasking.
cut and paste are not here on my Dell Streak...
Only on specific application but not on email...
Yes, I know that this build is a "beta" but from this topic and an other this build (8023) is a GM build, isn't it ?
So, If this build is a GM, I think the network driver is not finished, that all !
I have full network at home with my iPhone and my HTC and my Dell Streak too, but I lost the network on my Dell Streak frequently...
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Besides, was there ever a perfect product?? Look at the iphone, took them a whole year just to get cut and paste, 3 years to get even basic multi-tasking.
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And it's still a pos, totally buoyed up by advertising and hype....
I think it's cool that the streak it's under promoted.. makes me laugh when people ask if it's an iPhone, then when I laugh ask is it a HTC then?
Tbh community is what makes a great device, I've said it before and will repeat it again, dell could really do something amazing and really get involved with the community to work together to make it an amazing device..
experts knowledge and volunteer enthusiasm makes a formidable team.
You all bought this phone not even knowing there was gonna be a 2.1. SO why the heck are you complaining just because it can have it you still bought it regardless so why not Desire which did have 2.1 So please all stop your bloody moaning its doing my head in I like too answer questions asked on here and not look at stupid posts all the TIME !!!!!!!!!
thats for sure!
+1
Tada! Good job
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I remember we were promised a 2.1 update officially from SE when I bought the phone. I recently spoke with a programmer for SE though, so I understand why it's taking them so long, and I'm not that mad about it.
When I bought this phone, the whole reason I bought it was for the promised upgrade too 2.1 at the end of Q3. If I had known they were going to delay it, then yes I would have just gotten a Desire.
I have every right to moan and complain when they promised something and then didn't deliver.
I knew the phone was loaded with 1.6, but I also took solace in the fact that an update was imminent. This however hasn't been fulfilled, hence the frustration. Iv never posted about 2.1 on the x10, but your anger is misplaced
Tell ya what though - I'm glad they postponed the release of 2.1
While SE might have released it before the end of September, there was then going to be country changes, and the my carrier was bound to hold onto it for well over a month or two, and I'd probably still be waiting until mid 2011
So now I can just relax and enjoy 1.6 again, instead of getting hung up on an update.
See, I don't give two craps about the difference between 1.6 and 2.1 and 8.7, I just like shiny stuff.
Now I'm off to play with myself.
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Tell ya what though - I'm glad they postponed the release of 2.1
While SE might have released it before the end of September, there was then going to be country changes, and the my carrier was bound to hold onto it for well over a month or two, and I'd probably still be waiting until mid 2011
So now I can just relax and enjoy 1.6 again, instead of getting hung up on an update.
See, I don't give two craps about the difference between 1.6 and 2.1 and 8.7, I just like shiny stuff.
Now I'm off to play with myself.
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this you?
got my white x10i in the first week it released and i dun even know anythung about android os version (this is my first android device) so i was just quietly being patience waiting for the update...however now i start getting frustrated on these non-sense threads.
too many complaining in this forum now and i think MODS should start taking further actions to clean up some threads.....
the forum initally has some useful information...but now trying to search the forum for some specific topics and/or solutions will yield to so many useless threads in return....
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I remember we were promised a 2.1 update officially from SE when I bought the phone. I recently spoke with a programmer for SE though, so I understand why it's taking them so long, and I'm not that mad about it.
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I'm curious though... why is it taking them so long?
same here i really really really want to know why its taking so long
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same here i really really really want to know why its taking so long
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Because they want to make sure we get the best experience out of the phone.
Because it's SE's first attempt at Android
Because there's a lot of customisations, rather than just plain old 2.1
Because sometimes things take longer than expected
Because if you ever had Windows Mobile, you'd know you never ever ever get an update
Because sometimes companies release 1000s of updates, mainly to fix issues the introduced with the previous update - SE want's to release an update without bugs
Because it's not really taking that long
Because there's nothing wrong with 1.6
Because some of the x10 community have become impatient, it seems like a long time
Because good things take time
Because they can
Because they have more to do in their time than just give you 2.1
Because it's interesting to watch the reactions of people
Because they might have to reprogram a lot of their UI to work with 2.1
Because 2.1 ain't perfect anyway
Because there should be another point here but I can't remember
Because I like making bullet points
Instead of whining about the problem, why not become part of the solution.
Ask yourself "what can I do to help Sony along?"
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Because they want to make sure we get the best experience out of the phone.
Because it's SE's first attempt at Android
Because there's a lot of customisations, rather than just plain old 2.1
Because sometimes things take longer than expected
Because if you ever had Windows Mobile, you'd know you never ever ever get an update
Because sometimes companies release 1000s of updates, mainly to fix issues the introduced with the previous update - SE want's to release an update without bugs
Because it's not really taking that long
Because there's nothing wrong with 1.6
Because some of the x10 community have become impatient, it seems like a long time
Because good things take time
Because they can
Because they have more to do in their time than just give you 2.1
Because it's interesting to watch the reactions of people
Because they might have to reprogram a lot of their UI to work with 2.1
Because 2.1 ain't perfect anyway
Because there should be another point here but I can't remember
Because I like making bullet points
Instead of whining about the problem, why not become part of the solution.
Ask yourself "what can I do to help Sony along?"
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+1. Guess that sum up everything
[*]Because they SE...
...........Because they are completely redesigning the UI
What I can't wrap my head around is if people wanted 2.1 or 2.2, why didn't they just buy a device that was already at the higher version.
It's not like there weren't any available. 99% of the countries where the X10 is officially sold have had a pretty nice selction of devices. And the world isn't lacking in unlocked devices....Even in Japan, the Desire came out only 3 months after the X10. (And was quickly pulled from the shelves. Apparently it's being re-released in October, with 2.2 preinstalled)
If these same people are so willing to sell their X10s just so they can have a newer Android version now instead of in a few weeks, why did they buy the phone in the first place???
I just can't understand.
@chris_knows... What did the SE programmer tell you?
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What:s wrong with Android 1.6? It still make my X10 looks good.
if we compare with other x series..x2 for instance. I must say "OH MY GOD"
Gunawan, GN Mutimedia & X10i
I dont really want to be back to an UnRooted phone, so I will wait a bit to try the 2.1 until the Root is fully tested
k1sr said:
Instead of whining about the problem, why not become part of the solution.
Ask yourself "what can I do to help Sony along?"
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Incase I wasn't clear enough in my previous post, I don't care for smart-ass answers. I wanted to know what caused the delay from a SE programmer's point of view. I said I was 'curious'. How is that whining?
@chris_knows: perhaps I'll just pm you since this forum has changed drastically since when I joined it. People will now attack you if they think there's even the slightest chance of someone attacking their beloved X10 (just for the record, I have no problems with my phone, I'm just CURIOUS)
Edit: If you really want to see whining, here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyN7O5jURgo
When I bought the X10 T-Mobile told me..
2.1 is coming
MT is not supported by 1.6
16m colors not supported by 1.6
Getting FroYo was my own dream, not that crazy...
**** the 16m colors, give me MT and FroYo!!!!!!! (dreaming..)
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Because they want to make sure we get the best experience out of the phone. MY ASS, BEST SE experience..
Because it's SE's first attempt at Android. PS3 software OK. But Android?? I'ts not that new or cutting edge. No new development needed. Especially not for Sony.
Because there's a lot of customisations, rather than just plain old 2.1. Localization? Timescape? Mediascape? LOL!
Because sometimes things take longer than expected. Right...
Because if you ever had Windows Mobile, you'd know you never ever ever get an update. Please don't compare these..
Because sometimes companies release 1000s of updates, mainly to fix issues the introduced with the previous update - SE want's to release an update without bugs. Nice, as expected for a high end phone??
Because it's not really taking that long. It DOES!
Because there's nothing wrong with 1.6. There is! Come on!!! Software compatibility? Speed?...
Because some of the x10 community have become impatient, it seems like a long time. High end phone, budget software support..
Because good things take time. Good? where?
Because they can
Because they have more to do in their time than just give you 2.1 Right!
Because it's interesting to watch the reactions of people
Because they might have to reprogram a lot of their UI to work with 2.1. Crap!
Because 2.1 ain't perfect anyway. Its beter than 1.6. And thats so perfect as you mentioned..?
Because there should be another point here but I can't remember. Bla bla
Because I like making bullet points Bla bla
Instead of whining about the problem, why not become part of the solution.
Ask yourself "what can I do to help Sony along?" ARE YOU SERIOUS??
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Sony SE WONT help you, you just keep buying..
XDA CAN help us getting at least FroYo on the X10. MT and 16m colors? Who knows!?
I apologize for making another "I'm mad at Samsung for..." thread, but after trying for the past hours to get the JI5 update and failing, I'm a bit angrier than I usually am and want to hurt Samsung somewhere where they will feel it while not going to extremes like trying to organize a class action suit.
Ever since the Galaxy S line came out they really haven't done much to support it except release 3 buggy updates for three of the phones and completely ignore the one that's been out in the States for the longest (until the "made you look" event of today), yet they're so eager to show off that Galaxy Tab that they want everyone to be interested in and buy next month. I suggest simply spreading the word to everyone that no one should but that thing until they at least get their house in order and get the Galaxy S line up to the basic functionality they should have had out of the box. Spread the word that they apparently can't support the products they release and that nobody should touch those things until they can prove they are going to stand behind the products they want us to spend our hard earned money on.
Before some of you start flaming me, I do very well know this is a forum for people who mod their phones and have no intention of staying stock. I mod my phones too. Even with the fixes I've flashed I still have issues with GPS and the phone resetting. I appreciate everything the community has done to help make these phones better and I whole heartedly thank them for doing so, but at the same time there's a whole company with a division of people getting paid to do this that hasn't been able to supply us with one good fix after nearly 3 months time. It's time we should make every potential customer aware of that.
I'm boycotting the U.S. release of the Galaxy Tab, but only because I find the fact that all 4 U.S. carriers disabling the phone functions of the thing (the international version won't have this limitation) as a hugely retarded move.
I'm not interested in carrying around 2 huge slabs-o-touchscreen all the darn time. If I were I'd be an iDiot and worship Steve Jobs.
That's understandable, personally I could care less about being able to make calls on tablet. It's not like you would be able to take calls on both your cell phone and the tablet. And I sure wouldn't care for having another phone number.
I love my iPad btw!
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I'm boycotting the U.S. release of the Galaxy Tab, but only because I find the fact that all 4 U.S. carriers disabling the phone functions of the thing (the international version won't have this limitation) as a hugely retarded move.
I'm not interested in carrying around 2 huge slabs-o-touchscreen all the darn time. If I were I'd be an iDiot and worship Steve Jobs.
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Why would you carry it around if you can't use it as a phone?
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To be honest I am not surprised they are disabling the calling feature. In fact I would be surprised if they didn't.
I mean I for one wouldn't want to stop using my vibrant to use that giant tablet.
Also no matter what it will have wifi so it can be more like a laptop on the go and playing games on it will be awesome from the looks of it.
Well if they are just disabling the feature then that means the hardware to make calls is still built in so someone could root it and make calls anyway. But I'm still not getting one cause it'll be just like my phone. Tablets are a median of a phone and a notebook but nowadays the Ipad is the best out.
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Can't say I'm feeling pouty and petulant about Samsung in general, but I crossed four Tabs off my Xmas list when they announced the phone functionality was disabled.
As for the frequent comments about the Tab being too large to use as a phone, I use my phone as a speakerphone most of the time, and Bluetooth headsets put the final nail in the coffin for that argument.
I really doubt the S Tab will sell much anyway.
Smaller screen than the iPad, lower resolution, considerably worse battery life, for almost the same price....
Plus, given our experience with Samsung, it will probably not be upgraded to Gingerbread, which according to Google is the first version of Android actually meant for tablets.
Who in their right mind will buy the Tab?
What made me mad is they have more accessories slated for that thing than the very phones they already have out.
Docks, keyboards and all kinds of goodies. Oh yeah they all plug into the bottom of the Tab not the top like our retarded phones.
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Why would you carry it around if you can't use it as a phone?
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Exactly!
Since it's functionally crippled compared to it's European counterpart I don't plan on carrying one around.
It's an interesting device, and will probably have a modicum of success, but the deliberate lockdown of an existing feature is one that makes me uninterested in it.
Given that it's carrier unsubsidized pricing internationally is likely going to make it more expensive than the iPad, if I were to develop an interest in an Android tablet/mid that didn't support phone functions, I'd just SPEND LESS MONEY on a comparable 7" tablet that doesn't have phone functions. There are several...
Huge flaw with Samsung tablet, not sure if mentioned
At the moment pretty much every App available doesn't even support the tablets 1024x600 resolution so they will be to small for the screen or will stretch and look like crap.
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Huge flaw with Samsung tablet, not sure if mentioned
At the moment pretty much every App available doesn't even support the tablets 1024x600 resolution so they will be to small for the screen or will stretch and look like crap.
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I can make everything in an app support that higher res, and I font even consider myself a dev... More of a file mover.. But there are tutorials and some apps are already compatible...
Remember when donut and froyo came out not all apps were compatible.. Some apps dont work on donut now...
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WTF does this have to do with the Vibrant? Oh, can all of you stop blaming everything on Samsung? It seems like only half the people on this forum has sense and understands that T-Mobile makes the final call on updates.
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WTF does this have to do with the Vibrant? Oh, can all of you stop blaming everything on Samsung? It seems like only half the people on this forum has sense and understands that T-Mobile makes the final call on updates.
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Dude, you are drawn to these threads like a fly is to sh!t!
T-Mobile has its problems, but what about the rest of the companies carrying the Galaxy S? Have any released Froyo, or successful compass fixes?
No? Must be a worldwide carrier conspiracy to make Samsung look bad, by delaying fixes and OS upgrades.....
No, Samsung's track records with product support just sucks. That's why some are pissed.
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Wait a second, let me get this straight. You are upset because an unofficial, probably beta quality firmware wasn't available properly through a piece of software that hasn't been released to the US market yet?
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Wait a second, let me get this straight. You are upset because an unofficial, probably beta quality firmware wasn't available properly through a piece of software that hasn't been released to the US market yet?
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Nice troll, since I don't believe you are actually as stupid as you're trying to get us to believe.
No, we're all pissed off about Samsung's crappy support. I bought a phone with a GPS built in. I can't use my GPS because it doesn't work.
A little fact which has been repeatedly explained to you. So either you choose to ignore it so you can troll more, or you have major issues with reading comprehension, take your pick.
And, as I said elsewhere, no one forced you to bring your fanboi self into this thread.
I'll hold out for MOTO or HTC
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That's great, let's organize a boycott of something that 99.9% of people have no plan to purchase in the first place. In other words, we're going to have to seek out people who want to buy the Tab and then dissuade them. Personally, I think I won't.
psshh, who is gonna buy that over sized phone anyway, too big for been a phone, too small for been a tablet
I guess following thread is a very good example of how civilized people deal with issues. Samsung is in question.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=883820
May be we need to start campaign about Froyo/Gingerbread using same tactics?
That was promised and a lot of hardware were bought because of this. Time to hold promises!
It's a little bit to late (because some variants are already got/getting Froyo), but there is a chance consolidate across all variants.
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May be we need to start campaign about Froyo/Gingerbread using same tactics?
That was promised and a lot of hardware were bought because of this. Time to hold promises!
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That thread is because of real failures on the device, rendering them unusable. Sorry, but you're a fool if you purchased a device because it might get an update, it's not Samsung's fault.
I'm getting a bit frustrated waiting for this update because there are things popping up that require Froyo, but some of these comments/threads on a number of forums are just silly.
By all means, make yourself heard, but the lack of Froyo doesn't render the device unusable.
Verizon will give it to us when they are satisfied with the build. A 1960's hippie movement will not get it here any faster.
I am fine with 2.1 myself.
good day.
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That thread is because of real failures on the device, rendering them unusable. Sorry, but you're a fool if you purchased a device because it might get an update, it's not Samsung's fault.
I'm getting a bit frustrated waiting for this update because there are things popping up that require Froyo, but some of these comments/threads on a number of forums are just silly.
By all means, make yourself heard, but the lack of Froyo doesn't render the device unusable.
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My phone USB failed few days ago. I have thread here, trying to get additional information if others have similar problems. That said VZ already send another one for free. I do not know yet if it is new or refarb.
What I think is that, promise is what it is. I didn't pushed them to promise anything. But, getting normal support for device is something I've assumed at the time of purchase phone + dock + other crap. Would I know that everything is so slow, I might got another phone. I think I'm not alone here.
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My phone USB failed few days ago. I have thread here, trying to get additional information if others have similar problems. That said VZ already send another one for free. I do not know yet if it is new or refarb.
What I think is that, promise is what it is. I didn't pushed them to promise anything. But, getting normal support for device is something I've assumed at the time of purchase phone + dock + other crap. Would I know that everything is so slow, I might got another phone. I think I'm not alone here.
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They committed to releasing the update, they gave an estimated time frame for release, they didn't PROMISE anything. Froyo is coming, but the lack of it doesn't mean your phone doesn't work. Updates aren't normal support, they're updates. 2.2 is not required for the phone to function.
The funny thing is you're absolutely not alone (pretty sure I made that clear in my OP), it's just getting ridiculous some of the things people are demanding. It's not Samsung, nor Verizon's fault you purchased a device based on what it might be. That's your fault, period. I purchased this phone for what it was the day I got it, not for some dream land a few months down the road.
I feel about this a little bit differently, looking at the back of my phone dock. It has easy readable label saying that some functionality will be available when 2.2 update released. And it was promised SHORTLY. So shortly, that people found it OK to hold over 30 days grace period.
Overall I do not think it silly to expect something. I DO EXPECT that MS will patch Windows, Live etc. I DO EXPECT that HP, Dell and others update drivers. This practice exists for years now.
I do not know why it sounds funny when I expect that Samsung or VZ will fix GPS and other issues?
It is not that I'm screaming for update right now. But some clarity about situation will be greatly appreciated. Neither VZ nor Samsung didn't stepped down from their heights to inform us, mere mortals.
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A 1960's hippie movement will not get it here any faster.
good day.
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CNemo7539 said:
It is not that I'm screaming for update right now. But some clarity about situation will be greatly appreciated. Neither VZ nor Samsung didn't stepped down from their heights to inform us, mere mortals.
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This is fair, but can you name companies that do this? Unfortunately it's very rare.
They can't give you a set ETA (software is such that you can't give out fixed dates until it's done), nor can they really tell you what they're working on/why it's delayed (would you really understand if they did tell you?). The best they could tell you is "we're working on it," and unless you live in a cave (or subscribe to one of the ridiculous conspiracy theories), you already know that.
And again, YOU deciding to hang onto the dock is your fault, not Samsung's. At 29 days, you could've strolled into the VZW store, and returned it. And again, they will release Froyo for the Verizon Samsung Fascinate. If they do not, they will be in real legal trouble because suddenly, you'd have a case for a class action lawsuit because of your dock.
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This is fair, but can you name companies that do this? Unfortunately it's very rare.
They can't give you a set ETA (software is such that you can't give out fixed dates until it's done), nor can they really tell you what they're working on/why it's delayed (would you really understand if they did tell you?). The best they could tell you is "we're working on it," and unless you live in a cave (or subscribe to one of the ridiculous conspiracy theories), you already know that.
And again, YOU deciding to hang onto the dock is your fault, not Samsung's. At 29 days, you could've strolled into the VZW store, and returned it. And again, they will release Froyo for the Verizon Samsung Fascinate. If they do not, they will be in real legal trouble because suddenly, you'd have a case for a class action lawsuit because of your dock.
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Believe it or not, I'm in IT... And I tell you - there is always deadlines and dates are set in stone. Moreover, public beta will settle all worries. It is easy way to show to average public what company does and where it stays at the moment. That is how other companies handle same problems. MS with SP betas is good sample. Even secretive Apple does it!
I guess, we have a case for class action. I just wonder for how long we should wait before initiating it? As of now, we have a pretty good reason to believe that time for Froyo is gone, because Gingerbread is out and Samsung has it. Do you see my point?
As to return... Well, it not going to happen in the future. I'm going to stay away from Samsung products. Unfortunately I cannot leave VZ.
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Believe it or not, I'm in IT... And I tell you - there is always deadlines and dates are set in stone.
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"IT" and software development are not the same thing.
Public beta works with basic software, and even some OSes, not with phones. You release a public beta that has a bug that can brick your phone, and you're screwed. It's MUCH more difficult to fix a bricked phone than it is to fix a desktop that won't boot properly.
You don't have a case, yet. If Samsung fails to deliver 2.2, then you will, not until then.
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"IT" and software development are not the same thing.
Public beta works with basic software, and even some OSes, not with phones. You release a public beta that has a bug that can brick your phone, and you're screwed. It's MUCH more difficult to fix a bricked phone than it is to fix a desktop that won't boot properly.
You don't have a case, yet. If Samsung fails to deliver 2.2, then you will, not until then.
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No need to explain what exactly I do. It is development.
Go to Apple site and figure out how they deploy public betas for iOS. Nobody complains about broken phones. I never heard about this.
Hell!!! Film the video for youtube if not anything else! Show prototypes in the stores! Even this will be better then noting! Release official statement. Just do not sit like cat in the sand!
They simply are not willing to do anything, because they got their money already.
And could you please define "fails to deliver"? As far as I'm concerned they pretty much failed. Froyo was released and pulled off several times on other SGS phones. And they have Froyo on tab, which essentially same hardware. What is this?
Though I might consider it as showing progress ;-) Problem is that at such pace phone will physically pass out sooner then we get update.
Believe it or not, I am actually trying to get them into admitting that Froyo will not be released.
I got one rep who replied to say it, however, she doesn't know wtf she is talking about. Depending on their next few replies if whether I crack the email open and send it to the major blog sites.
I am trying to get someone who actually knows something to admit that 2.2 is not coming. We shall see. Past that, you are right, there is not a damn thing we can do until its determined that its NOT coming out.
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2.2 is not required for the phone to function.
It's not Samsung, nor Verizon's fault you purchased a device based on what it might be.
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Tell that to the hundreds of thousands who bought a cradle with a sticker on it saying "2.2 required for this to function".
Is that their fault they received a product which doesn't work as advertised, just to open the box up to a "gotch'ya!" sticker?
Is that somehow not Samsung nor Verizon's fault, too?
Sometimes I wonder how often people on here ever take responsibility, seeing as they are so quick to make excuses and attack those wronged. You would all do well in politics or customer service; Neither party holds anyone accountable for their false promises.
The problem is, until they admit that its not being released, they have us all on a technicality, that coming soon has no defined time frame. Leaked internal documents are likely not admissible in a lawsuit.
Its ****ty, its unethical, but it is what it is.
I am just as angry as well.
According the news, Samsung is going to introduce Galaxy S ancestor in Barcelona in February. So, I guess first Galaxy S lifespan is even shorter than I've expected. Sure, it is because was VZ was late to the game. Churning out new models at such pace doesn't leave time to support old ones.
Galaxy s is like lexus to toyota. It's just a line of phones from samsung which are high end.
Adrynalyne is right when he says that there is nothing that we can do but make them admit that nothing is coming out...
CNemo7539 said:
No need to explain what exactly I do. It is development.
Go to Apple site and figure out how they deploy public betas for iOS. Nobody complains about broken phones. I never heard about this.
Hell!!! Film the video for youtube if not anything else! Show prototypes in the stores! Even this will be better then noting! Release official statement. Just do not sit like cat in the sand!
They simply are not willing to do anything, because they got their money already.
And could you please define "fails to deliver"? As far as I'm concerned they pretty much failed. Froyo was released and pulled off several times on other SGS phones. And they have Froyo on tab, which essentially same hardware. What is this?
Though I might consider it as showing progress ;-) Problem is that at such pace phone will physically pass out sooner then we get update.
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Funny you mention apple, and then in the same breath you talk about making phones obsolete.
Apple and Samsung are apples and oranges (lol). Apple has ONE phone (3 if you want to count the og, 3g, and 3gs, but those are mostly obsolete), Samsung has at least 4 or 5 in the US alone. Each on different networks, and with differing software setups (bloatware). How again are they going to ensure they don't start ****ing **** up if they push a public beta? Trust me, I'd LOVE if they did that, but it's an unrealistic expectation.
And "fails to deliver" means it doesn't come, at all, ever, period. When they admit to freezing development and NOT releasing anything past 2.1, then everyone who purchased a dock has a case for a class action lawsuit.
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Tell that to the hundreds of thousands who bought a cradle with a sticker on it saying "2.2 required for this to function".
Is that their fault they received a product which doesn't work as advertised, just to open the box up to a "gotch'ya!" sticker?
Is that somehow not Samsung nor Verizon's fault, too?
Sometimes I wonder how often people on here ever take responsibility, seeing as they are so quick to make excuses and attack those wronged. You would all do well in politics or customer service; Neither party holds anyone accountable for their false promises.
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Don't talk to me about accountability when you are so eager to blame someone else for your failure to return a product you weren't satisfied with. It's also your fault you decided to wait it out for Froyo.
You chose to wait, that's on you. So now it's a matter of you waiting for them to release 2.2+, or them to admit they won't release it.
I'm not defending anyone, I'm just tired of the stupid crap I'm seeing from people over this update. I didn't buy that dock because I think it's a piece of crap, regardless of the fact the 3.5mm jack doesn't work (which, BTW, sounds like it's the ONLY thing not working, it charges the phone, displays the dock program).
RacerXFD said:
Galaxy s is like lexus to toyota. It's just a line of phones from samsung which are high end.
Adrynalyne is right when he says that there is nothing that we can do but make them admit that nothing is coming out...
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I guess we are getting away from the intended topic. This might be my fault, if I not expressed clearly.
If adrynalyne is talking to somebody at Samsung, would be nice if he can share that person contact. I guess idea is to have one single point of force application.
Even if that person is brainless office droid, he will have to report up at some point, if number and intensity of complaints is over some threshold.
Could we here formulate some collective message and start pushing it from different emails?
I'd just like to use the 3.5mm audio out on my dock, have map rotation gesture working in maps and get chrome to phone back; new gmail client would be a nice upgrade... Hopefully it will happen someday...
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Was just chatting with Acer Tech Support today about the upcoming android 4.0 release for the A500. I wanted to ask some questions because my step father has a Xoom and he got the update to 4.0.4 early this morning. Acer tech support gave me the link:
Acer Support - Answers, E-Mail, Chat - When will Android Operating System 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich) be available for my Acer Android tablet?
After reading it i noticed that next to the A500 and A100 it says TBA in mid april. For those of you who don't know what TBA means, it means To Be Announced. This genuinely disappointed me because after months of waiting and being within the month that ACER said they were going to announce it, they still have no updated info to give. What I am understanding from my conversation with ACER is that sometime over the next few weeks, ACER will officially announce that the update is either coming or not coming and possibly a date if it is. I have to ask myself what kind of company is ACER if the best answer they are willing to give is a Non-Committal answer.
Don't get me wrong, my ONLY entent here is to express my discontent over this information. I definately feel not supported by ACER in this manner and I have just listed my A500 on craigslist. When it is gone, I am buying a Motorola Xoom.
Acer tech support/sub constractors
you do know that acer tech support is likely outsourced . SO after you talked to that person. And got a well i do not know standard answer.That person likely answered another call on a totally different device maybe even a washer or A kids toy. This is the consensus about how Acer tech support is. I really do not know if they are outsourced. But as dumb as they are its very likely..
As far as ics. it will come Acer says it should start being pushed out mid April.If you know there update sequence from past updates. that would mean May to mid may for us . If it comes out on time. READ Around about all the devices still on Honeycomb.and not sure if they are even going to get a update.
Acer is acer. and have aweful tech support in the US.But my tablet is a awesome device.Thou the support and communication issues. Yes i would buy another acer product . but i will not be jumping on the Quad care tab right now. MY Iconia will do anything i need .
please click the link i put in and the the TBA for yourself.
I got to say, so f'ing what. Do you really think ICS will be that much of an improvement over HC. There is nothing spectacular. It feels like another incremental update to me. I've been running one of the leaked versions for awhile and truthfully, there is not much of a difference. It's not like your A500 is going to magically become a new tablet. And what kind of idiot would go out and buy a xoom over the A500. Now, if you said you were going to go buy one of the new Tegra 3 tablets than you would be showing some intelligence. Just stop getting your panties in a bunch and be patient. I would rather have a stable OS than the buggy piece of **** that the xoom is probably running.
Lol sounds like someones mad
If it comes out in April then Acer is way ahead of the update game than I thought. Looking over at my nexus s and the gsm version just got ICS last weekend and Google itself has a close relationship with the device and it took them until now to get it updated
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I got to say, so f'ing what. Do you really think ICS will be that much of an improvement over HC. There is nothing spectacular. It feels like another incremental update to me. I've been running one of the leaked versions for awhile and truthfully, there is not much of a difference. It's not like your A500 is going to magically become a new tablet. And what kind of idiot would go out and buy a xoom over the A500. Now, if you said you were going to go buy one of the new Tegra 3 tablets than you would be showing some intelligence. Just stop getting your panties in a bunch and be patient. I would rather have a stable OS than the buggy piece of **** that the xoom is probably running.
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I don't think ICS will make my A500 a new tablet but it certainly has breathed new life into my Nexus S as its certainly noticeably faster on a single core processor.
I think the main point is that Acer has lagged behind all its competitors in terms of offering timely updates and as early adopters being up-to-date, even with an updated buggy rom is important.
I just don't see the lag in updates to ICS. My HTC Evo 3D isn't updated yet and isn't scheduled to late May or June. I think Acer wants to watch the leaks and see what needs improvements. The latest leak .31 seems to be leaps and bounds of the other leaks as far as stability. The touch screen issues have been worked out. I'm just saying, I'd rather wait for Acer to get all the bugs worked out first and then release it. It just amazes me how some people will start a new thread like this one. I'm giving up hope. Who the hell cares. Acer doesn't, they already have his money.
Tbh, the Flexreaper ROM available in the dev section is really good.
I do understand the wish for an official ICS-release and I do understand that not everyone wishes to use a custom ROM or get rooted, but if you don't mind rooting and installing custom ROM I would definitely suggest going for Flexreaper. So far I have not found any terrible issues with it, the only thing that keeps crapping on me is WIFI, but that is likely because of my router and not the ROM because it works just fine if I tether to my phone.
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Was just chatting with Acer Tech Support today about the upcoming android 4.0 release for the A500. I wanted to ask some questions because my step father has a Xoom and he got the update to 4.0.4 early this morning. Acer tech support gave me the link:
Acer Support - Answers, E-Mail, Chat - When will Android Operating System 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich) be available for my Acer Android tablet?
After reading it i noticed that next to the A500 and A100 it says TBA in mid april. For those of you who don't know what TBA means, it means To Be Announced. This genuinely disappointed me because after months of waiting and being within the month that ACER said they were going to announce it, they still have no updated info to give. What I am understanding from my conversation with ACER is that sometime over the next few weeks, ACER will officially announce that the update is either coming or not coming and possibly a date if it is. I have to ask myself what kind of company is ACER if the best answer they are willing to give is a Non-Committal answer.
Don't get me wrong, my ONLY entent here is to express my discontent over this information. I definately feel not supported by ACER in this manner and I have just listed my A500 on craigslist. When it is gone, I am buying a Motorola Xoom.
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We have leaks so obviously they are working on it, so why would they waste resources on something if they aren't going to eventually release it?
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The way I see it ... All manufacturers (Arcer, Asus, HTC, etc) released ICS first to their flagship devices (example: HTC Senesation, Acer A200, etc.) The rest of devices that were anounced to get ICS will get it latter. For me it's a normal behaviour, you just can't push it to all devices at once, hell they even divide OTA to regions (some regions get it earlier than some other).
And... yes I like my A500.
Cheers
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Lol sounds like someones mad
If it comes out in April then Acer is way ahead of the update game than I thought. Looking over at my nexus s and the gsm version just got ICS last weekend and Google itself has a close relationship with the device and it took them until now to get it updated
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Can't you read?
As I posted yesterday and as was also posted here, the date of the release for ICS will BE ANNOUNCED mid April, not released Mid April.
We will be lucky to get it by June.
And is life that bad without ICS.
Acer could have said there would be no update for the A500.
I want it too but life will go on without it.
Patience is a virtue.
If they release it and it has bugs, people would be complaining "it was release too early."
if your content with the standard crap the manufacturer puts out , why not just buy an ipad , Android for is customization ! Try this ,go to the dev section read as much as you can ,then download a custom rom , Id suggest "Icyliscious" or "Flexreaper" two outstanding roms! run both of these leaked roms ice cream sandwich! both very stable and I gotta tell ya , way faster than HC , Flex will smoke most benchmark tests , if all you want is stock , stick with crApple products and let them decide whats good for you! This is why I dont ever leave the dev section...........
Acer does seem to be rather lacking in the support department. Yes, the USB port is great, but honestly, I don't think I'd buy another Acer. They are rather slow on the updates and fixes. But what really bothers me is the "quirks" that appear to be easily fixable, but totally ignored by acer.
Like the inability to support a bluetooth headset with a microphone (Other tablets had HSP profile out of the gate! WTF Acer!?). This wouldn't be so bad if the built-in microphone didn't sound like it had tissue paper stuffed into it.
Furthermore, the poor GPS just plain sucks. Acer's paraphrased response: "The GPS isn't meant to be used for navigation." Again, WTF Acer!?!? The custom ROM's have way better GPS support, proving that the GPS can be fixed with software. Acer just seems to refuse to do it.
The tablet is also poorly constructed. I've gone through three devices and the chassis seems to make creaking noises when squeezed in the corners. It just feels flimsy. The other android tablets I"ve used don't seem have this problem.
Don't get me wrong; All the android tablets have had thier issues, but you seem to see much better response from the other major brands in regards to addressing those issues. Acer, by comparison, tends to be rather sluggish.
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Oh well. Nothing I can do now but wait. The A500 will do me until the quad-cores come out.
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Can't you read?
As I posted yesterday and as was also posted here, the date of the release for ICS will BE ANNOUNCED mid April, not released Mid April.
We will be lucky to get it by June.
And is life that bad without ICS.
Acer could have said there would be no update for the A500.
I want it too but life will go on without it.
Patience is a virtue.
If they release it and it has bugs, people would be complaining "it was release too early."
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That's the point, Google the Creator of android took months to update their own phone. And this guy is crying about the ics for the a500. Which we already have in the dev section, and if he is uncomfortable with doing that I must ask why does hecome here.
Oh I can read maybe you should learn comprehension I would be surprised if Acer released anything in april
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Well on Googles defense, unlike Microsoft and Apple , Google doesnt make money off of there OS , (maybe now that they own Motorola it might change) ,but since open source is hard to make money off of its unlikely releases will speed up , thankfully the dev community is strong in Android and all we need is for them to give hints and bits of code for the dev's to complete there own versions maybe not "official" or "certified" but Ill take my chances , I cant stand proprietory OS's!
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That's the point, Google the Creator of android took months to update their own phone. And this guy is crying about the ics for the a500. Which we already have in the dev section, and if he is uncomfortable with doing that I must ask why does hecome here.
Oh I can read maybe you should learn comprehension I would be surprised if Acer released anything in april
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But the fact is google already released ICS, and some other companies already released their updates. Now Acer didn't put too much effort on the sold units, is losing their users confidence. I know we should be patient, because we have nothing else that we can do. Oh, one thing, I'll never ever buy an Acer product anymore, how about that?
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But the fact is google already released ICS, and some other companies already released their updates. Now Acer didn't put too much effort on the sold units, is losing their users confidence. I know we should be patient, because we have nothing else that we can do. Oh, one thing, I'll never ever buy an Acer product anymore, how about that?
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Look at this chart. It's current.
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There's a whopping 2.9% of Android devices out there running ICS. I'd recommend to ANYONE who's this upset over Acer (and pretty much everyone else) not releasing ICS yet... to sell their devices IMMEDIATELY and buy an iPhone and iPad. They'll make you feel GOOD about waiting a couple years for an update. Plus, they'll constantly make you believe you own the best technology out there.
Until they tell you it's obsolete in June. But Hey! That's MONTHS away!
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Look at this chart. It's current.
There's a whopping 2.9% of Android devices out there running ICS. I'd recommend to ANYONE who's this upset over Acer (and pretty much everyone else) not releasing ICS yet... to sell their devices IMMEDIATELY and buy an iPhone and iPad. They'll make you feel GOOD about waiting a couple years for an update. Plus, they'll constantly make you believe you own the best technology out there.
Until they tell you it's obsolete in June. But Hey! That's MONTHS away!
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Why should I care about this chart? We are talking about the tablets, not the old obsolete phones, which were not capable to upgrade to newer system or won't have too much improvement even after upgrade. A more useful chart will be, how many tablets running on the Tegra2 chipset are at which version of Android, that'll be relevant. There're billions of PC with windows xp, windows 2000, windows 98, windows 95, or even DOS. Try put the windows 7 on those.
BTW I got an iPhone 4S, and it's good.
Speaqking from experience with Apple and considering that i once was a total convert to apple with a Mac Mini, iPod and iPhone. I got tired of being stuck with essentially how it is shipped and lack of hardware/software for Apple products. I felts like i wasn't allowed to change or customized something i spent hundreds on so I ditched apple and when back to PC and Android. People should stop comparring the two because they are not similar in anyway. The truth is that apple tends to run 3 years behind in technology and nothing they do or derive from there business model is designed to push and industry forward. There business model is designed to do only one things and that is to keep apple in business. Microsoft and google have decided the opposite and have been driving the industry forward. Microsoft and google have released numerous completely new operating systems in the last decade where as apple has only updated OS X. It is a shame that is over 12 years the best that apple could do is change OSX from 10.0 to 10.7 and give them stupid animal names to make the public think it is something new when in fact it is still OSX. Another fact is the Apple total PC sales makes up less then 2% of the total computer sales. There tablets make up less then 5% and the iphone have fallen to less than 18%.
Does anyone here watch Conan O'Brian. He was once a strong pusher of apple products but has shifted to android. I say a 2 minute commercial on TBS the other night where he was advertising his new tablet app. It was plain to see in the commercial from lots of up close shots of the app and tablet that he was holding up a shinny new samsung galaxy tab. He now showcases the galaxy tab and doesn't mention iPad's anymore.
ctiger said:
But the fact is google already released ICS, and some other companies already released their updates. Now Acer didn't put too much effort on the sold units, is losing their users confidence. I know we should be patient, because we have nothing else that we can do. Oh, one thing, I'll never ever buy an Acer product anymore, how about that?
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you cant comprehend
but the fact is google itself took over four months with vague updates of when ICS was coming to its own phone............so what tablet will you get that will get future updates when a year old...where. I bet you have alot of entitlement trophies lying around your house
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJD8pZiRIzs
another point your on xda there are leaks of ICS you can install without rooting so put down the tissues install one or go buy a new tablet that will sell next year when you don't have an update when you feel you should have one