Nookmanager vs Noogie Root methods - Nook Touch General

I'm not a noob when it comes to rooting but with this new device NST I'm wondering what are the differences in these two root methods. I've read through both and have the necessary files for both downloaded to my computer already. As of right now, I'll be using Nookmanager. Are there any features I'd be missing using this as opposed to Noogie?
Answers to my question are appreciated... along with any other useful info you care to throw in.
TIA
*Brand new Nook ST with the latest v1.2 update installed*

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[Q] Easy Tutorial CM7 Install Guide

Well, it seems that the new update (as mentioned in a previous thread), breaks the current root.
I was looking to see if anyone can provide a step by step tutorial on how to successfully install CM7 onto their Kindle Fire. I have tried in the past (few days ago really, but "past" sounds so cool to say), and it failed. Are there any tutorials, other than the original, that are easy to understand and help install CM7?
I'd greatly appreciate your help!
Background: Not a total newb on computers, but not a total vet using cmd and/or Android devices... I currently have 3-4 Apple devices with iOS and jailbroken. I am fairly comfortable with messing with my devices.
I'm a newbie to rooting and CM7 but I managed fine by following the main threads in the developers forum and the videos on kindlefirewire.com
Use the .zips and files contained in the main thread and make sure you follow those commands (I think they are the same, but just to be safe)
When you root, make sure you install BusyBox when SuperOneClick asks to - you will need it later. I didn't have the 'cp' command without it. So you might need to root again before installing CM7 just to make sure.
In the CM7 thread, follow the steps to install the google apps - it was a lot more effort to get the Market back on the KF without doing so (I had to push dropbox and ES Explorer to the device first).
Edit: I should note that I did all this with 6.2 before the 6.2.1 update came out. If you've got the new update in your KF I would wait until a workable root solution is found.
Here follow this guide
http://liliputing.com/2011/12/amazon-releases-kindle-fire-6-2-1-software-breaks-root.html
Thanks a lot for both of your helps!

A few questions to the NST, just got mine!

Hello,
I'm new to the Nook Simple Touch and received it today. It's awesome so far!
1. Could someone tell me how I install CWM with it, is there a guide? I can't find any guide on the development section on xda, sorry.
2. Also, what is the best method to root my NST? Touch Nooter or Minimal Touch or another one?
3. Is there a stock ROM somewhere? I would want it, if I want to set my Nook back to the default settings and wipe everything if I'll mess it up somehow.
4. Can I update to the latest version 1.1.2 if I want to
+ root it
+ install CWM
+ install the multitouch function from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1563645
Is everything of this working with 1.1.2 or do I need 1.1.0?
5. And my last question is, what's the difference betwen N2E and NST in the development thread? (I know, NST = Nook Simple Touch, but what is N2E? I thought it's also the Nook Simple Touch)
I'm really, really sorry for those questions, but I'd be very happy if someone could answer them. I don't want to make something wrong with my beloved NST.
Thanks in advance!
Greetings,
Draygon
Welcome to the community!
Before you do anything, you're going to want to backup your Nook. Each Nook contains information specific to that Nook, such as the MAC address, serial number, etc., so this backup will be what will restore you to a stock out-of-the-box Nook. Just make sure you have an external card reader to write noogie.img to the SD card.
CWM is here, but there's no real reason to install it to the device itself. It's easier to install it to an SD card and just put that in when you need it. There's no custom ROMS yet, and it's better to use the backup you made earlier (hopefully).
Also, for rooting and installing multi-touch, I made a mini quick-start guide here.
For the most part, we haven't noticed much difference between rooting 1.1.0 vs. 1.1.2. And N2E stands for Nook Second Edition (this Nook came first).
Enjoy your Nook!
Hello Googie, Thanks a lot for your answer, they helped me a lot!
For sure I'll do the backup at frst.
Am I able to use N2E from the development forum on the NST? (like touchnooter?)
So, it's safe to update to 1.1.2 and root it? Because I have seen a few people on this forum complaning about bugs with a rooted 1.1.2, which aren't there with a rooted 1.1.0, such as that the search function is not working in the play stote with a rooted 1.1.2.
Would you recommend touch nooter or minimal touch?
Draygon said:
Am I able to use N2E from the development forum on the NST? (like touchnooter?)
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The N2E is simply another name for NST, so it's safe to use anything with that name.
Draygon said:
So, it's safe to update to 1.1.2 and root it? Because I have seen a few people on this forum complaning about bugs with a rooted 1.1.2, which aren't there with a rooted 1.1.0, such as that the search function is not working in the play stote with a rooted 1.1.2.
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There's not much difference between 1.1.2 and 1.1.0. B&N just addressed some WiFi issues with this update, not much has changed otherwise. And Google caused the searching issues by replacing Market with Google Play, it's just coincidence that the update came out when Google changed it.
Draygon said:
Would you recommend touch nooter or minimal touch?
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I myself use Minimal Touch, but I haven't tried TouchNooter before. TouchNooter has some extra things with it (like a tool that under-clocks the CPU when it's not in use to save battery), but some times it fails to install correctly. And there's also the possibility that Market just won't work for 24 hours... but it's broken anyway.
Thanks again for the answers.
There's just one problem I have, which won't let me backup my NST:
From this guide: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1142983
I want to use the guide to backup the NST for windows 7 (post #2),
There's a big problem: the link to the noogie.img (which should be here: http://nookdevs.com/NookTouch_Rooting) was deleted.
1. Where can I get this noogie.img now? Could someone please upload it?
2. And the next problem is, how do I boot the noogie.img, if I have it? jocala just wrote, that you have to boot it. Not, how to boot it.
Thanks in advance!
http://www.thoughtsofthemasses.com/noogie.img.gz
burn the image it to sdcard, switch off your nook, plug in sdcard and turn nook on.
And small puzzle at the end: what does following message say about the nookdev page?
10:50, 11 January 2012 Spec (Talk | contribs) deleted "NookTouch Rooting" ‎ (content was: '#REDIRECT Nook_Simple_Touch/Rooting/Manual')
Are there any requirements that a microSD card must fill when used for this purpose? I have two fail notches on my lipstick case.
The first time I pulled a 256mb microSD card from an old phone; fail. Later I read it is recommended to use a Class 6 or greater. I bought a Class 10. Again, fail.
The adapter is electrically passive so that should not be a factor, right?
I never pay attention to that class stuff.
I always buy the Micro Center brand 4GB at $5.50 because they are only $1.50 more than 2GB.
Apparently they are Class 4.
Thank you, Renate NST. Then my problem lies elsewhere.
Between WinImage and Win32DiskImager has either shown a higher success rate for this project? Is one generally preferred by the community?
I use Win32DiskImager.
I've got about 10 different backups on my hard drive right now.
I've bricked my Nook multiple times trying to hack internals and restored from backup.
My backups end up by being 1,957,616,640 in size.
I don't use Clockwork or anything.
Thank you for providing the file size, that was helpful.
Is it odd that that the second backup (using noogie.img and DiskImage_1_6_WinAll.exe) was almost twenty-five times larger than the first? 79,675,392 verses 1,958,739,968.
If your backups are about 1.9xx Gigs then you are correctly backing up the entire physical internal memory of the Nook.
If your backups are 70 Megs or so you are either backing up only one of the 7 partitions on the Nook or
else you are backing up your SD card with Noogie on it.
Note:
After writing a Noogie image to an SD card you will find that the total size of the SD card has been reduced to 70 Megs or so.
To reclaim the entire size of the SD card for other uses you will need some tool like Partition Magic.
Windows Disk Management can not by itself repartition SD cards.
There's also something out there called SD formatter.
Or once you have your Nook running, you can just format it from that.
You have all been so very helpful. After watching the noob video I figured you people ate noobs for lunch.
Renate, you were right: I backed up the SD card. I hate to think of all the others who have done the same and won’t know the backup is useless until they need it. It’s an easy mistake to make but knowing an approximate file size was an excellent deterrent against disaster. Thanks for the heads up.
The rest was pure voodoo but I’m rooted. Still, there were some surprises and I have two final questions.
• Between failed rooting attempts, while in original mode, I updated the NS2 to 1.1.2. After rooting the device is using 1.1.0. Should I look for a way to root into 1.1.2 or just be content?
• Also while in original mode I wanted to change the registered gmail account for the device. I created a second B&N account using my preferred gmail, then did an “Erase and Deregister” to reregistered the device with the preferred gmail account. However, after rooting I couldn’t log into YouTube with my reregistered, preferred gmail, only the first gmail was accepted. Yet, when looking in Settings\Device Info\About Your Nook\Owner, my preferred gmail (not the first gmail) is listed. How do I get the rooted Nook to recognize my preferred gmail address in the market?

[Q] NST or NTG? considering hacking updates for each one...

Hey Guys...
I'm about to buy a Nook. Cause I'm really in need to have a good ebook reader...
And I want to know if hacking and Android Developement for Nook simple Touch with Glow-edge (NTG) is progressed as much as Nook Simple Touch (NST)'s...
Are there any advantages for NST comparing with NTG in hacking?
For example is there any custom roms available for NST which is not available for NTG?
or, Is usb-host method working for NTG too?
I'll be Thankful if some one guides me...
Salar.m said:
Hey Guys...
I'm about to buy a Nook. Cause I'm really in need to have a good ebook reader...
And I want to know if hacking and Android Developement for Nook simple Touch with Glow-edge (NTG) is progressed as much as Nook Simple Touch (NST)'s...
Are there any advantages for NST comparing with NTG in hacking?
For example is there any custom roms available for NST which is not available for NTG?
or, Is usb-host method working for NTG too?
I'll be Thankful if some one guides me...
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I bought the NST a few days ago. From what I can tell, pretty much the same hacking options are available for NST and NTG. For example, the custom kernel that I installed, which enables multitouch and fastmode, (see the thread by guevor) is available for both NST and NTG.
Both devices are pretty hackable.
Be very, very careful that
1) you make a full (~2 gig) backup of your device before you start;
2) you are completely comfortable with restoring that backup - test on an SD card to be sure that you can restore and wind up with 8 partitions on that card -- I've seen folks retore from a viable backup, and accidentally restore only 1 partition, and that's a problem
3) any hacks you try are for the correct device.
Most tools are device specific. The two I threw together, tinynoot and fat glowworm, actually do work on both devices (and tinynoot, with a trivial mod, works on the Nook Color as well, it's what I used to re-root after the last OTA that I was too slow to block.)
If you use an NST tool on an NSTG you will very likely need to restore to stock and start over. 8 failed boots will get you out of most jams, but when it won't, you need to be sure you can restore your disk image.
Tnx Guys...
but, would you plz link me to a step-by-step guide page...? (for backup)
,
So as you said, there will be no problems in hacking and custom mods for me if I buy a NTG... huh?
,
if I'm not wrong, NTG's NAND is partitioned to 8 different disk partitions by default... and they keep all of (roms, etc.) data which I have to make an image of it to have them all saved and backuped... Right?
,
And for the last Q.
Is a microSDHC 16GB class 2 compatible with NTG...?
,
Tnx,
Peace,...
Yes, eight partitions. Complete backup and restore instructions are in this thread. Not sure about class 2 mSD, but I expect it would be fine. The device will handle up to 32GB.
Actually, I think it's a poor idea for us to link to a specific post or posts on this topic.
Enough people have mucked up their devices by not doing their research that I would strongly recommend that you read through the threads yourself before you put your device at risk.
The device does have 8 partitions; the simplest way to get a full backup is to use linux, either as a physical machine or in vmware player (which has excellent USB support)
Terms you should be hip to before you start:
- partition
- noogie
- clockwork
- framework.jar
and of course, OS versioning, so if someone's referring to a 1.2 release you're already aware of which device that was intended for.
I apologize if I sound unhelpful, but I think what you find out on your own will always be more valuable so that when something works strangely, you know where you first read about it and can drill in for more.
the development area is definitely worth reading even if you're not developing.
the links you asked for
for NSTGL
http://blog.the-ebook-reader.com/20...-and-restore-nook-glow-and-nook-simple-touch/
http://blog.the-ebook-reader.com/20...using-glownooter-includes-googles-app-market/
The main difference, is that Nook Touch Tools is working on NST but not NSTGL
so on the NST you can map your QuickNav buttons to the app of your choice, but not in NSTGL
LK, please don't take this the wrong way, but this is why I wouldn't want to point to only a few sources:
Your post refers to the Glow.
The first link refers to both the Glow and the Touch
The second link refers only to the Glow
It's that device confusion that makes me want folks to really understand the landscape before they start into it.

[Q] Problem Upgrading to 1.2.1

Hi there
New to all things Nook - Just bought my NST yesterday for the bargain price of £29 and am well chuffed. I have had Android phones for 3 years though and always rooted bejaysus out of them so I understand rooting, CWM, etc fairly well.
The NST is currently on 1.2.0 firmware, so having read up in this forum I DLd the 1.2.1 firmware update, NookManager and NGTAppsAttack to install in that order.
However, I have followed the instructions on B&Ns website to the letter but I can't get the 1.2.1 update to install. To be clear, I Dl'd the firmware on my Win7 PC, didn't open it at all but connected the NST by its USB cable and copied the zip file straight in to the root directory (as shown in Windows Explorer), did a safe eject and then set the nook to sleep mode. Two hours later - Still on 1.2.0.
I then tried to let it auto-update by leaving it sleeping overnight conneted to my home wifi network. - Still on 1.2.0
Any other way to force the update? I may be being stupid here and the update isn't crucial (?or isn't available for UK devices?) but I have learned to follow instructions carefully over the years and I wanted to get the latest firmware in so that I only needed to root it once!
I can boot NookManager from my SDcard (and I've already done a full backup). I was wondering if I rename the firmware file to factory.zip and use NM to do a factory restore would that work? Or is the update file a different beast that would brick the reader if forced on in this way?
All advice welcome. If I can ignore 1.2.1 and just proceed with rooting then - happy days - I'll just fire ahead and do that.
But have I been stupid and missed a basic step or what? Enlighten me please, someone!: silly:
I've also got the same issue. The update doesn't happen and if you reconnect to usb the update file is gone.
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I've copied the file to the root and then ejected the nook and plugged it back in straight away and the file is gone already!
i have the same problem
BelfastLad said:
Hi there
New to all things Nook - Just bought my NST yesterday for the bargain price of £29 and am well chuffed. I have had Android phones for 3 years though and always rooted bejaysus out of them so I understand rooting, CWM, etc fairly well.
The NST is currently on 1.2.0 firmware, so having read up in this forum I DLd the 1.2.1 firmware update, NookManager and NGTAppsAttack to install in that order.
However, I have followed the instructions on B&Ns website to the letter but I can't get the 1.2.1 update to install. To be clear, I Dl'd the firmware on my Win7 PC, didn't open it at all but connected the NST by its USB cable and copied the zip file straight in to the root directory (as shown in Windows Explorer), did a safe eject and then set the nook to sleep mode. Two hours later - Still on 1.2.0.
I then tried to let it auto-update by leaving it sleeping overnight conneted to my home wifi network. - Still on 1.2.0
Any other way to force the update? I may be being stupid here and the update isn't crucial (?or isn't available for UK devices?) but I have learned to follow instructions carefully over the years and I wanted to get the latest firmware in so that I only needed to root it once!
I can boot NookManager from my SDcard (and I've already done a full backup). I was wondering if I rename the firmware file to factory.zip and use NM to do a factory restore would that work? Or is the update file a different beast that would brick the reader if forced on in this way?
All advice welcome. If I can ignore 1.2.1 and just proceed with rooting then - happy days - I'll just fire ahead and do that.
But have I been stupid and missed a basic step or what? Enlighten me please, someone!: silly:
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40993706&postcount=385
- Downgrade to FW 1.1
- Update to 1.2.1
- Root
In that order.
Rooting process block all future updates.
Thanks. This has worked for me.
Are there any significant differences between 1.2.0 and 1.2.1? Does 1.2.1 only work with the US ebook shop?
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cowbutt said:
Are there any significant differences between 1.2.0 and 1.2.1? Does 1.2.1 only work with the US ebook shop?
Don't know about differences - None visible to me but update as per osowiecki's instructions has worked perfectly and I'm just rooting now.
Many thanks to all.
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cowbutt said:
Are there any significant differences between 1.2.0 and 1.2.1? Does 1.2.1 only work with the US ebook shop?
Sent from my GT-I9100 using xda app-developers app
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The biggest change I've heard of is adding european wifi channels 1-13. There's a (very) little bit of discussion about other changes here.
Just realised that the downgrade to 1.1.0 -> upgrade to 1.2.1 linked above has converted my Nook to the US 1.2.1 firmware. Apparently B&N UK website now has a 1.2.1 FW update which will work with the £29 UK NSTs if you want less hassle!
Not sure of any other FW issues - poss wifi channels as another post states. More importantly, I must compare UK and US prices on books and see if I want to change back or not.....
Seriously, I presume my change might give grief if I need to do a warranty return to Curry's - but then again - what are the odds of the average sales assistant in Curry's knowing the difference??
Was also having this problem but looks like I was trying the US version of the update.
For those looking for the UK update you can find it here:
http://uk.nook.com/support/nook-simple-touch-software-updates
Thanks BelfastLad for pointing me in the right direction.
For those still having issues when using the correct firmware, try leaving your NST/G plugged in until it reboots after you've dragged the 1.2.1 firmware .zip over to it. Make sure you eject the NST/G from your computer, just leave it plugged in.
I finally managed to install the 1.2.1 update after downloading the uk version and making sure the zip file didn't have (1) or (2) next to it as I had downloaded the file a few times.

[Q] [N2E][1.0] Rooting NookManager Over TouchNooter 2.1.31

Hello:
Due to a failed factory settings recovery attempt my My N2E is as follows:
On firmware version 1.0.0
IRooted with TouchNooter 2.1.31
My main goal is to root it my N2E using NookManager. For that, I understand that:
First, I have to upgrade the N2E to firmware version 1.2.1
Then, I can root it with NookManager
But (and here's the catch) after upgrading to 1.2.1 (pre requisite for NookManager) the N2E will be still rooted with TouchNooter 2.1.31 which I understand happens to be incompatible with N2E on firmware version 1.2.1
Even if I succesfully get to root the N2E to NookManager inmmediately after upgrading to 1.2.1, shouldn't it be an issue?
Keep in mind: I'd be rooting NookManager on top of an N2E already rooted with TouchNooter 2.1.31
Isn't that a brick scenario or am I missing something here?
Thanks in advance,
Point 1: There is no brick scenario for the Nook.
Whatever you can do can be undone using a system booted off the SD card.
For the white Nook, which has no SD card, there is the boot over USB to resuscitate it.
Boot over USB also works for all the other model.
Point 2: If you have a non-white Nook there is no reason to use any system version besides 1.2.1
1.3.X on the white Nook is a mish-mash of old and new versions.
If we ever discover anything good about 1.3.X we can cherry-pick it out to add to 1.2.1
Point 3: Before you start modifying your Nook you should have a backup of the /rom/devconf directory.
You may not have any interest in doing business with B&N, but the MAC, serial number, battery info is important.
Point 4: I know nothing about either of these "managers".
If you are at 1.2.1 just use whatever manager thingie you want to.
Renate:
Thanks again for your prompt reply.
Renate NST said:
Point 1: There is no brick scenario for the Nook.
Whatever you can do can be undone using a system booted off the SD card.
For the white Nook, which has no SD card, there is the boot over USB to resuscitate it.
Boot over USB also works for all the other model.
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How's that "booting form USB" works? BTW, I have a Nook Simple Touch "original"; the one sold with the 1.0.0 firmware.
Renate NST said:
Point 2: If you have a non-white Nook there is no reason to use any system version besides 1.2.1
1.3.X on the white Nook is a mish-mash of old and new versions.
If we ever discover anything good about 1.3.X we can cherry-pick it out to add to 1.2.1
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Er... if you say so. I'm only posting what I know about TocuhNooter 2.1.31. I'm merelñy and able user, not an expert, per se.
Renate NST said:
Point 3: Before you start modifying your Nook you should have a backup of the /rom/devconf directory.
You may not have any interest in doing business with B&N, but the MAC, serial number, battery info is important.
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OK, I do believe that the NookManager root method/tools/boot includes it's own backup manager, so that would be a "plan b" scenario.
Do you recommend an other nook backup utility?
Renate NST said:
Point 4: I know nothing about either of these "managers".
If you are at 1.2.1 just use whatever manager thingie you want to.
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Hmm... What root method do you currently use with your Nook? Is it a N2E, N2E with GlowLight, other?
Awaiting your kind comments,
OK, here's how you fix your issue...
1. Insert Nook Manager microSD, boot it, select Restore Factory Image (or something like that...). This will restore your Nook to version 1.0 (I believe, I have done this 2 or 3 times, it's 1.0 or 1.1). Follow the instructions. In the end you will remove the Nook Manager card, and reboot.
This should, if I understand correctly, re-install the factory image that is stored on your Nook. Unless TouchNooter (or something else you did) modified that, you should be good to go from here. If something has modified the factory image, then it gets way more complicated, because part of that image is data that is unique to your Nook. So, you can't just get someone elses factory image, as it would have their unique data in it.
That said, if anything did modify your factory image, I for one want to know, that needs to be stopped.
2. Download the update for 1.2.1 from B&N (http://www.barnesandnoble.com/u/Software-Updates-NOOK-Simple-Touch/379003175) and follow the instructions to install it.
3. Re-insert the Nook Manager card, and root with Nook Manager.
MildBill
MildBill said:
OK, here's how you fix your issue...
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Bill, this sounds simple enough for me
I'll try it and post the results here.
Very gratefully yours,
sarmasm said:
I'll try it and post the results here.
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It worked like a charm! Updated to 1.2.1 and rooted OK with NookManager.
Renate and Bill, thank you for your patience and kind advice
Very gratefully yours,

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