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Ok what if google can get updates out like apple does to its devices. Notice sprint does not even have ics yet for the nexus s since sprint is launching the galery nexus soon so I bet sprint just only,let a few phone get the ics update as a beta if you will as then user would not buy the newer ics phone. So if google charged a small update fee provided your phone meets the requirements. Or why does google even allow all these add ons like sense and touchwiz. Why not have the pure google non skinned version for like a few dollars and if you want the custom sense then wait for htc samsung to release it a year later.... cough cough fryo.... cough cough gingerbread....
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Well to answer your question, nope, since we got amazing devs here to satisfy our quench for updating XD
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Well to answer your question, nope, since we got amazing devs here to satisfy our quench for updating XD
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True for people who are rooted but what about the average non xda type of user who waits for offical ota?
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Defiantly not, why should we? You don't pay Apple for updates.
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True for people who are rooted but what about the average non xda type of user who waits for offical ota?
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those average non xda people dont even know root or the latest software means it more of a phone to call and text and browse internet. they dont care if their phone has the latest and greatest updates.
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Defiantly not, why should we? You don't pay Apple for updates.
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You buy the phone from apple, and they also make the software. We buy the phone from Samsung, and Google makes the software. Big difference. You seriously wouldn't shell out like 5 dollars to get ICS like 4 months ago, fully working and smooth? Gonna call bs on that.
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Defiantly not, why should we? You don't pay Apple for updates.
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I don't pay Apple for anyting. Lol
/trollface
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Defiantly not, why should we? You don't pay Apple for updates.
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Sure you do its called OS/X.... which is i-os is somewhat based on...
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You buy the phone from apple, and they also make the software. We buy the phone from Samsung, and Google makes the software. Big difference. You seriously wouldn't shell out like 5 dollars to get ICS like 4 months ago, fully working and smooth? Gonna call bs on that.
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Well i disagree on that one as Google does also makes phones called the Nexus and the Motorola Mobility line as Google no owns Moto Mobility. And from what i understand its the stuff like touchwiz and sense that make it harder to get the updates a quickly since the carriers must test everything for like 90 days or more and if it fails then they start the process from the beginning.
I say google should only have one uniform look to android like how apple does with i-os. (i however do not like apple as too expensive for the rich people) If you want a custom launcher like go you can download it but it would not be apart of any official rom from the maker / carrier.
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I don't pay Apple for anyting. Lol
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Lol I don't either. Meaning we don't buy it. PERIOD!!!!
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Sure you do its called OS/X.... which is i-os is somewhat based on...
Well i disagree on that one as Google does also makes phones called the Nexus and the Motorola Mobility line as Google no owns Moto Mobility. And from what i understand its the stuff like touchwiz and sense that make it harder to get the updates a quickly since the carriers must test everything for like 90 days or more and if it fails then they start the process from the beginning.
I say google should only have one uniform look to android like how apple does with i-os. (i however do not like apple as too expensive for the rich people) If you want a custom launcher like go you can download it but it would not be apart of any official rom from the maker / carrier.
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i have to say; it looks like youve just taken random sentences and thrown them together here.
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i have to say; it looks like youve just taken random sentences and thrown them together here.
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And for real there is a Galery Nexus coming soon? I will compare it with the Galaxy Nexus to check which one is better.
And back to the thread. I won't pay, but there is people which pay to others for root their phones, so I think they will pay.
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And for real there is a Galery Nexus coming soon? I will compare it with the Galaxy Nexus to check which one is better.
And back to the thread. I won't pay, but there is people which pay to others for root their phones, so I think they will pay.
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i would pay for official updates if it means they come as soon as google releases them. perhaps google should not release any updates until all carriers and manufacturer are ready to push them to all phones that meet the requirements. Do what microsoft does and they just push them to all phones at the same time so the carriers dont have a say in the matter... sort of like windows update on the pc. just check for the update and then install... carriers and manufacturer have too much power to decide who gets what...
I'd love to have mine done in a timely manor. I hear it's nice this time of year!
NO way wouldn't pay! Plus its totally unrealistic considering the different devices and bloatware! Apple has one device line to update! But don't forget Apple owns the software! You get caught messing with it they "Kill" your phone!
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NO way wouldn't pay! Plus its totally unrealistic considering the different devices and bloatware! Apple has one device line to update! But don't forget Apple owns the software! You get caught messing with it they "Kill" your phone!
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well how does microsoft do it then with windows phone 7 and with the pc's? As long as if the phones meet the minimum requirements then good to go. This would work simply because it would get rid of the custom interfaces from the makers like htc sense or samsung touchwiz. If you want those they would only be available as a download apk from the market like how go launcher and adw desktop are. Google needs to take a stand on the custom overlays and how they devalue android with lack of updates as the makers think somehow that sense or touchwiz add somesort of value to the phone when in fact it does not. android 4 is perfect interface and with android 2.x and 3.x its good enough or download some aftermarket one like go launcher. Otherwise i would pay for updates like how i do on my laptop. they can also make money off the updates as well like $25 per phone again as long as it meets the requirements. and now google owns motorola mobility so google is now just like appple. So goolge / Moto Mobility does control the hardware and software
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well how does microsoft do it then with windows phone 7 and with the pc's? As long as if the phones meet the minimum requirements then good to go. This would work simply because it would get rid of the custom interfaces from the makers like htc sense or samsung touchwiz. If you want those they would only be available as a download apk from the market like how go launcher and adw desktop are. Google needs to take a stand on the custom overlays and how they devalue android with lack of updates as the makers think somehow that sense or touchwiz add somesort of value to the phone when in fact it does not. android 4 is perfect interface and with android 2.x and 3.x its good enough or download some aftermarket one like go launcher. Otherwise i would pay for updates like how i do on my laptop. they can also make money off the updates as well like $25 per phone again as long as it meets the requirements. and now google owns motorola mobility so google is now just like appple. So goolge / Moto Mobility does control the hardware and software
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who is to say that custom launchers are devaluing android? if anything, they bring more to the table. i think a lot of the people here would say that they prefer some of the asthetics and options that touchwiz includes. i cant speak to sense or motoblur as i havent used them.
No. Just like I would not pay extra for gas to have someone else come out and pump it for me. In both cases we already pay too much, for gas, for the phones, service and insurance. If all phones were free I would think about it. But you pay more for a better phone, it damn well better be updated in a reasonable timely manner.
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The manufacturer should be providing timely updates as part of buying the phone. We should expect new versions of the OS until at least the EOL and then bugfixes and security updates for another two years past that as a minimum.
Now that we're done with fantasy land, I wouldn't mind paying a nominal charge for a version update provided that they have a stable bug-free version of the current OS. IMHO Samsung never got there with the Epic.
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The average non-xda user wouldn't know what 'stock' android is, and frankly, they probably wouldn't be impressed with it for this reason right here
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who is to say that custom launchers are devaluing android? if anything, they bring more to the table. i think a lot of the people here would say that they prefer some of the asthetics and options that touchwiz includes. i cant speak to sense or motoblur as i havent used them.
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I haven't used Sense, but from my limited experience, Blur is horrid. TW smokes it by a mile. I enjoyed some of the features of Touchwiz, no joke.
And OP, while Google may now own Motorola Mobility, it doesn't mean they own all the hardware. It just means they kind of do with Motorola. They still don't with Samsung, HTC, LG, Sony, etc etc etc.
I'm still a firm believer the biggest reason Google bought Moto was for the patents, not to try and complete with Apple by owning both hardware/software.
EDIT: For the record, I think the number one way to go about the issue is this: all android phones, stock, come with their own skin out of the box by default. However, the user has the ability to go with stock Android upon bootup or something like that. Maybe a tutorial that guides users stating what that skin brings to the table. Maybe something saying here's what you'll have with the skin vs without it, and list off apps and features associated with it.
This way, us android-heads can get any phone we want with stock android, and the average user still has the same options as today.
I wanted to put something of worth within this thread as a conversation topic, but it has become rather vexing trying to pick apart the compilation of sentences that the OP's has been using lol, though me saying I mean no offense would not help I don't think heh.
In regards to paying for an upgrade, it does occur in iOS when the next incremental upgrades come to the iPod Touch Line, for iPhone's a user is guaranteed that update due to being on a monthly plan with their device unless that device is gradually replaced in which case it goes no further upgrade wise as there is a new iteration close to it in price and internal size, if iPad's are affected in the same way being on carrier/off carrier I'm unaware, I also haven't upgraded my iPod Touch in a long while either to test the validity of that, so I'm open to correction. Though iOS has been on 5.x for a bit anyways.
In this case.
Android lacks something iOS does in this case, uniformity, which is how Apple portrays their control over their platform and why it's so popular and simple to use, they limit what can be used and what is used and set a basis forward to keep compatibility in the long run. The Nexus Line is controlled by Google and their partner in each step of the way, more by Google however because they essentially get to pick and choose what they want which works well in the whole grand scheme of things, which means timely updates are to come. They don't have control over LG, HTC, Sony, or Samsung for that matter in their other endeavors in Android and what "crap"(lack of more proper word) that's proprietary they decide to put within the platform for the sake of bragging rights, they're their own entities which for the most part have added to the overall disconnection of Android across the board. Buying out that specific aspect of Motorola was a play for patents to avoid lawsuit not a play for control.
Saying you'd pay money for an update to Android on your phone becomes problematic, in our case, ICS. If you paid $10 because you to have the update when it came out, in the following months it'd be very likely it'd have problems, and you'd be the prime benefactor of said problems. You paid $10 for an update, now what about the update to address that issue? Or the update following that update to address the following issues? Or what if you paid for an update and never got an update in the long run, just for the sake of not having one?
Would those be paid as well? I'm only throwing forth baseless scenarios, because this arrives to the entitlement aspect of things. Paying to get an update makes you entitled to said update, when a company can G.A.F less about an older piece of hardware having support when they've devices in their minds which are twice as good as last years model. I understand where you're going with this thread but, paying for your update in software wouldn't make the fact that your phone is aging any better, nor would it make Android any more uniform, it'd only make it more annoying of a platform due to it. It's not a better alternative than just waiting it out on what you're currently using until you can upgrade your line to something new. Spending more money to have your phone officially supported is rather foolish. In my opinion though.
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And essentially the Epic isn't EOL/EOS. It just happens to be on it's last legs. So whether it's last update is stable or not won't matter at that point.
Google delayed the Q so it can add additional features, will we get these features too ?
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Google delayed the Q so it can add additional features, will we get these features too ?
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No one at this time except for those internal to Google.
If I had to bet the functionality will be SW and all Nexus Q's will get it.
I agree with Shieze on thinking that all modifications will be software related. I bought mine on ebay also and I have to assume that I'm a little scared to have paid too much for something and they now can just release a new hardware or something.
If it's a new hardware, it's done, cause they gave it away for free, so, our case is lost! We paid for it because we are hungry to new technology, so, it's not their matters...
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I agree with Shieze on thinking that all modifications will be software related. I bought mine on ebay also and I have to assume that I'm a little scared to have paid too much for something and they now can just release a new hardware or something.
If it's a new hardware, it's done, cause they gave it away for free, so, our case is lost! We paid for it because we are hungry to new technology, so, it's not their matters...
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The way I see it, it probably is going to be hardware related in part at least. Why delay a launch when they can just push out a software update? That doesn't make sense unless it has something to do with hardware imo.
Thinking more about it you probably are right. Why they will just sent a "preview" version for free if it was only software. There is no reason... start to regret to be so hungry about new stuff...
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I also think it has to hardware related. Why else give away inventory for free? I'm kicking myself for buying off ebay, but at this point there's not much I can do about it. Just have to wait and see.
I highly doubt it it hardware related, the Q's sold on eBay were given out to developers Why would Google screw the developers? That is unless they are going to make it cheaper...
Believe me, I'll be very happy if I'm wrong.
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Hardware will stay the same, don't worry about that.
They are giving them away for free just to buy some more time to make it worth $299 and that has nothing to do with the hardware.
Nexus Q is running on Jelly Bean, new version which still has to be adopted by the side of developers, and Google still has to create appropriate SDK for Q.
On the other hand, it's not only the software, they also have to make some changes to make all or some of their web-based products avialable on Nexus Q but controlled from other older versions of android.
It's not a simple task and they need some more time to do that.
But, even if they make any hardware changes, they will not going to affect the functionality of the firstly shipped devices.
For example - 3.5 mm audio jack.
Everything will stay the same, you will still have all the functionalities.
But they will not change even that.
Google started developing open source OS (Android) and invested billions in past few years just to create it for free and to spread the internet among the end users. That means more adds and more money for Google.
They will do the same with Nexus Q. They are trying to bring commercials to your living room.
Maybe you are concerned now, but just wait for few more weeks and you will be very happy and satisfied, trust me.
I don't feel bad about buying off Ebay at all. I do feel a bit sad about missing the "pre-order" for the 2nd Q
But even if Google does change the HW for the "real" release, you should realize you bought a "Developer" edition for a reason - you have full access to the software that runs the Q. I have an Apple TV, and its *useless* to me, because Apple doesn't give me any way to make it my own. With the Q, even if it bombs at being an entertainment center, is still a low power, dual core Linux computer with a USB port that you can run all day & night for home automation, music playing, file serving, general web browsing, alarm clocking, whatever, because the source is available.
Plus, its a glowing ball! Who doesn't want a mysterious glowing ball with wires coming out the back!
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Plus, its a glowing ball! Who doesn't want a mysterious glowing ball with wires coming out the back!
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That's what I told my wife.
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Seems interest has been completely lost...
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What? Not following you... Interest is alive and well...
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I'd say most of the enthusiasts are waiting for the upcoming "Daily Driver in a few weeks".
But there are plenty of developers, developing stuff!
Subscribe to the mailing list and you'll see just how active development really is, no where near dead.
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I'd say most of the enthusiasts are waiting for the upcoming "Daily Driver in a few weeks".
But there are plenty of developers, developing stuff!
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This. There isn't much use for this build with the consumer crowd. This build is more for those building apps for Ubuntu Touch
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I subscribed to the mailing list and I have not had any news at all.
I kind of agree. I got my gnex just for Ubuntu touch, but in waiting for it I've found myself falling in love with android all over again. Its so nice on nexus devices. That's why I'm ordering my nexus 4 Friday. Can't honestly see me flashing Ubuntu touch on it, maybe on my gnex. Sad but true. Though I expect others will feel different.
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I'd say most of the enthusiasts are waiting for the upcoming "Daily Driver in a few weeks".
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That was an irresponsible mistake by Mark Shuttleworth to say. Ubuntu is piggybacking on CM, how can he guarantee compatibility with all those phones?
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That was an irresponsible mistake by Mark Shuttleworth to say. Ubuntu is piggybacking on CM, how can he guarantee compatibility with all those phones?
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Especially when we android devs already know how hard it is getting support and sources out of some of these chip manufacturers!
But that said - we're an enterprising bunch and I think we'll see support for many devices already out there. You only have to look at the amount of ports that already have GUI up and working.
To answer the OP - as others have said - it feels dead as no one is really using it yet because it is so incomplete. There's no point us here on XDA jumping up and fixing it because Canonical are already hard at work at their end. As soon as we start seeing alpha (May), beta and RCs you'll see this OS jump to life on a lot of devices here on XDA.
It'll be interesting to see how these ports fair when they make the jump to MIR and stop using CM code though.
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That was an irresponsible mistake by Mark Shuttleworth to say. Ubuntu is piggybacking on CM, how can he guarantee compatibility with all those phones?
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This is true, I really wanted this to happen. It seemed like something fresh and new. But I kind of feel the preview was just to appease people, it feels like it will go like Ubuntu for android. Big promises, but no end result. A daily driver was meant to be out any day now but I wouldn't hold your breath. I think they have bitten off more than they can chew. Look how long its taken Mozilla to get an os up and running. I'd like to be wrong, but we will see. Great idea, great design but questionable execution.
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Be al little patient people....its still in development. The the first phones with ubuntu will come next year...but the progression behind the screen is enormous. And its not only about the phone but is about one OS on all your devices. Tv, pc, tablet and phones.
Its going to be awesome...
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Be al little patient people....its still in development. The the first phones with ubuntu will come next year...but the progression behind the screen is enormous. And its not only about the phone but is about one OS on all your devices. Tv, pc, tablet and phones.
Its going to be awesome...
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I don't think patients is what we're on about. The only person setting time limits is Mark Shuttleworth, its more about if it ever happens. Don't think anyone minds if it take a week, month or a year. Its the promises and then not happening that frustrates me and I'm sure others. I was excited about Ubuntu for android over a year ago, was even going to buy an atrix. Now I've gone and got a gnex and for Ubuntu touch. Then a week before its supposed realise, all of a sudden its a dev preview! The first videos and info left that info out and its running on cyanogen mod. That's not quite what we were told ether. All that aside the point being, I'm not against it intact I'd love it to happen. But in using this stock device I've found myself not really wanting to move and also expecting it not to happen. I can't help but feel the reality was more about getting people to use Ubuntu PC rather than touch. Its almost like any publicity is good publicity. Its not about time, its about truth and the truth is people are getting no feed back, where are they at, what they need, there's a whole community of developers at there disposal and there not using them. I had gone off android, Ubuntu touch has only made me love it again. I'm not trying to start an argument, its my view. Ubuntu to me just feels disorganised. Google doesn't!
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I think that Canonical made a mistake in announcing the DEVELOPER PREVIEW how they did, because it seems that many people do not know the difference between CONSUMER and DEVELOPER PREVIEW , and then come here in despair waiting for the OS.
Canonical release the dev preview to appease the us then it died down were still gonna have a long wait b4 am official release after that happens if we die down again then we're dead
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I think that Canonical made a mistake in announcing the DEVELOPER PREVIEW how they did, because it seems that many people do not know the difference between CONSUMER and DEVELOPER PREVIEW , and then come here in despair waiting for the OS.
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Yes and no. When it was enounced there was no developer tag. It was a week in before that was added, I can't help but feel that the "developer preview" was originally going to be complete but they realised they couldn't manage it, so they realised what they had as a "developer preview" it kind of feels like they messed up and tryed to cover it up. I might be way off base here, it makes little difference to me as I've already said I'll be staying on android for now. Least on my nex4, witch will be my every day phone. I might try it on my gnex if it ever emerges but I won't hold my breath. . . to be clear I'm not annoyed at it taking time, I'm just saying to everyone don't expect it soon if ever. We will see.
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Not even close - there are already daily drivers and you can already test all the core apps on Ubuntu desktop.
Soon these will head over the the phone. Besides that you can already load your own apps onto the OS.
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Ubuntu touch is dead?, seriously?, how could you say such a thing when it's still in development... Mark Shuttleworth said it'll be ready for daily use soon so just hold tight and wait a bit.. Honestly I don't like posts like these because it makes the community lose hope in the OS when it's not even ready yet.. -.-
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Ubuntu touch is dead?, seriously?, how could you say such a thing when it's still in development... Mark Shuttleworth said it'll be ready for daily use soon so just hold tight and wait a bit.. Honestly I don't like posts like these because it makes the community lose hope in the OS when it's not even ready yet.. -.-
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Ubuntu touch is dead?, seriously?, how could you say such a thing when it's still in development... Mark Shuttleworth said it'll be ready for daily use soon so just hold tight and wait a bit.. Honestly I don't like posts like these because it makes the community lose hope in the OS when it's not even ready yet.. -.-
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he say it will be ready for daily use for couple weeks.i Can't ****ing wait!
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That was an irresponsible mistake by Mark Shuttleworth to say. Ubuntu is piggybacking on CM, how can he guarantee compatibility with all those phones?
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Isn't that what open source is recycling (or piggybacking) from other peoples work. Why rewrite what's already there I would have found it idiotic if they didn't use cm.
Next your going to say they freeload off debian.
Hi people,
My wife and i both have notes. I'm rooted and have been running JB ever since the first leak.
My wife's is totally stock, running ics.
She's fed up of waiting for it, and before you all start flaming, she is a typical user who doesn't want to root her device to get the latest os that people in Trinidad and Tobago or some other back end country are enjoying (her words not mine)
Now whether its all crapsungs fault or her carriers I don't know, but at this rate her contract upgrade will be upon her before she even gets jelly bean (due In august!!!) and I doubt she'll stay with android.
Personally I'm beginning to loose faith in Android and the fragmentation of its OS
The most used version is GB still!!!
Apps are becoming ridiculously large and people with older devices who are not fortunate enough to get the latest shiny device are really being left behind, through no fault of their own.
Google really needs to rethink the speed at which it releases its newest os, because they are leaving the majority of its users behind because of its feature race/war with apple.
People who I talked into buying android devices are ditching them at the earliest opportunity for an iPhone.
Wake up Google or you will lose a lot of users
Rant over
why dont you stick to google nexus phones just like apple fans stuck with iphone^_-
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why dont you stick to google nexus phones just like apple fans stuck with iphone^_-
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This answer might be considered standard from now on to every thread, question and rambling comparation of iPhone (6device company) and Android (+1000device not-a-single-company). Full stop.
Flashing a ROM in Odin does not need root :|
My thoughts
The most used version is GB still!!!
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Your Point? Nokia 1110 is the most used mobile phone. How many have you seen using that nowadays?
Apps are becoming ridiculously large and people with older devices who are not fortunate enough to get the latest shiny device are really being left behind, through no fault of their own.
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It's nobody's fault.
Google really needs to rethink the speed at which it releases its newest os, because they are leaving the majority of its users behind because of its feature race/war with apple.
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I AGREE 110% WITH YOU ON THIS.
People who I talked into buying android devices are ditching them at the earliest opportunity for an iPhone.
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It took 2 years from Single Core to Dual, but less than 6 months from proper Quad Cores to First Octa Core unveiled.
I used to think investing this many on a mobile phone keep me not in Enthusiast but in mainstream category for atleast 2-3 years. Not 8 months after purchase, it already feel cheap.
At least with iPhone, you have the peace of mind that if you got screwed, so are others, and pain won't resurface until a year or so.
But with Android, its like, you invest 500 Bucks on a phone and 30 minutes later, a new phone twice as powerful for 550 is unveiled set to release 2 months later.
Wake up Google or you will lose a lot of users
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Sadly, Stockholm Syndrome is a little wider than you think.
lol stockholm syndrome. Never heard of it that way with devices/product lock-in. Gave me quite a laugh, cause it could be true. Bit drastic but whatever.
Good thing Apple did push the envelope rushing android and other mobile manufacturers into better areas. Since they lost momentum I hope the Androids momentum continues.
On topic, there is another factor slowing multicountry roll outs, thats the countries themselves, so its not necessary Sammies fault one country is faster then others, go blame your countries for unable to keep up with Trini-Bego
Basically, you have just one problem and that is, updates are not fast enough? That isn't Google's fault at all. OEM's get the source code for the new OS earlier it is made publicly accessible (usually 1-2 weeks after announcement). It is the OEMs which insist of adding more 'features' and bugs and then taking time to release it. If you're using a carrier-subsidised phone, add another six months to it.
In short, get a nexus.
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I AGREE 110% WITH YOU ON THIS.
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I don't. The current speed is good. I really don't care if people get upset they are "left behind" (they're really not, as long as you have at least ICS app compatibility is very very good). If you want the latest and the greatest of Android, get a Nexus or a device that's well supported by the community or manufacturer. Samsung also seems to keep their high end devices updated very well these days. Our Notes have been taken all the way from GB to JB and the delay of updates keeps getting smaller.
As said before, you don't need root to flash stock updates. Carriers delay the updates a lot, so just do it yourself. There are plenty of guides out there and it's not hard unless you are computerphobic or something.
Well i kind of agree with you but if a person is too hungry for updates. There always are the custom roms. I am a tw fan and i keep my phone stock but when i get bore or anything i try the custom and use it for a week or two.
So android basically is not locked up. U always have ways out. Good thibg about android is that u always get what google has to offer and plus the OEM update is a bonus.
I like to stay with samsung because of this fact.
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iPhone = One manufacturer, one OS, each iPhone (3g, s, 4s, 5) will run the same official shyt apple gives them
Android = Several manufacturers, several options, several price groups, several specs
Apple = MoFo autocrat
Android = Democracy
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Google really needs to rethink the speed at which it releases its newest os, because they are leaving the majority of its users behind because of its feature race/war with apple.
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Android users would take it as a compliment. Android is evolving faster - open source - :thumbup:
kingears said:
she is a typical user who doesn't want to root her device to get the latest os that people in Trinidad and Tobago or some other back end country are enjoying
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Since when you need root to flash official XXLSZ for Germany via Odin? You don't even loose warranty...
kingears said:
Now whether its all crapsungs fault or her carriers I don't know
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Then why you're whining when you have no idea what you're talking about?
kingears said:
The most used version is GB still!!!
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So? many people still use old phones and they don't want to change them
kingears said:
Wake up Google or you will lose a lot of users
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Yes, because it's Google's not OEMs' fault that they can't keep up with updates
kingears said:
Apps are becoming ridiculously large and people with older devices who are not fortunate enough to get the latest shiny device are really being left behind, through no fault of their own
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A moment of realisation, why the hell am I responding to a troll?
I'm saying that most android users no nothing about Odin or rooting, that's my point, they are completely reliant upon kies or ota updates being pushed out by the carrier once they've finished adding bloat.
Obviously having an opinion that is different to yours makes me a troll lol, what has this site come too :thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:
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Blaming Google and Android that developers make more sophisticated apps requiring better phones and saying it's bad because people can't run them on their old phones isn't an opinion - it's a sign of incredible ignorance or trolling, I assumed you are trolling (or you rant for ranting) but so be it, you're an ignorant, now please go back to using Windows 98, many people still use less than 1 GHz processor PCs so making Windows 8 is stupid, eh?
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Blaming Google and Android that developers make more sophisticated apps requiring better phones and saying it's bad because people can't run them on their old phones isn't an opinion - it's a sign of incredible ignorance or trolling, I assumed you are trolling (or you rant for ranting) but so be it, you're an ignorant, now please go back to using Windows 98, many people still use less than 1 GHz processor PCs so making Windows 8 is stupid, eh?
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And you don't think that this will alienate people from android? If you look in the play store most comments for apps are about the size of them.
As the thread title says, these are my observations after using android for 5 years, I'm entitled to my opinion, as are you, but coming in here and personally attacking me is unacceptable.
Kisses99 said:
why dont you stick to google nexus phones just like apple fans stuck with iphone^_-
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Because a phone with a battery that cannot be removed is unacceptable, to me anyway.
What happens when the battery is knackered? The phone is redundant.
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warfareonly said:
Basically, you have just one problem and that is, updates are not fast enough? That isn't Google's fault at all. OEM's get the source code for the new OS earlier it is made publicly accessible (usually 1-2 weeks after announcement). It is the OEMs which insist of adding more 'features' and bugs and then taking time to release it. If you're using a carrier-subsidised phone, add another six months to it.
In short, get a nexus.
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As above
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I don't. The current speed is good. I really don't care if people get upset they are "left behind" (they're really not, as long as you have at least ICS app compatibility is very very good). If you want the latest and the greatest of Android, get a Nexus or a device that's well supported by the community or manufacturer. Samsung also seems to keep their high end devices updated very well these days. Our Notes have been taken all the way from GB to JB and the delay of updates keeps getting smaller.
As said before, you don't need root to flash stock updates. Carriers delay the updates a lot, so just do it yourself. There are plenty of guides out there and it's not hard unless you are computerphobic or something.
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I've been rooting android devices for 5 yrs, I am merely trying to make a point from the point of view of a normal user. People who root and put custom roms on their device are in the minority, in the grand scheme of things.
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As above
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You can't have everything, mate. Somewhere, you have to make compromises. Where you make compromises is your decision.
Also, inbuilt non-removable batteries can be replaced. Only difference is, the service centre will be doing the replacement instead of you.
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You can't have everything, mate. Somewhere, you have to make compromises. Where you make compromises is your decision.
Also, inbuilt non-removable batteries can be replaced. Only difference is, the service centre will be doing the replacement instead of you.
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Oh I totally agree I can't have everything, life is a compromise.
I just think Google is risking losing out on a lot of 'regular' customers because of its business model.
I stand corrected on the in-built batteries, but then your left with no device whilst its replaced, or not i don't know how long it takes.
Plus I don't think we have service centres in the UK???
Easier to just go to a shop and get a replacement battery there and then.
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Okay, so the title might be a little misleading. But I want to start a super-project with a bunch of developers here on XDA to bring 4.4 to Legacy Devices. some of you may laugh at my idea, but the truth is PLENTY of us are either stuck at an old version or hate the custom ROM manufactures put in place on our devices. I recently received an old T mobile sidekick 4G, witch is stuck at Froyo. I want to compile android 4.4 when it releases, to be compatible with my SK4G. I know it seems ridiculous to work on such on old device, but i'm a "Developer on a budget". I'm not asking someone to work on a ROM for me, but it would be cool to get some direction on how to do this. I also want to work on Kit Kat ROM's for the HTC Wildfire S, Huawei Ascend Q, and the Kyocera Hydro Elite.
Thanks to anyone viewing this! If you would like to join my cause and add your device to the list, just comment your device!
I'm not saying it isn't possible, but I think the hardware limits you. I don't believe those phones have enough underneath the hood to run ICS and up.....
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mouf32 said:
I'm not saying it isn't possible, but I think the hardware limits you. I don't believe those phones have enough underneath the hood to run ICS and up.....
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If the rumours are true, kitkat is supposed to be far less hungry for hardware performance than JB or ICS. I use an old SE X10 mini pro running a similar processor to the wildfire S, and it was possible to run jb 4.1.2 on it, even though it was pretty laggy.
All in all, with a bit of luck(concerning the rumours), knowledge, compiling and time (not to forgetting a little naive thinking ), it might yet be possible to use kitkat on legacy devices. With that, I would like to add my device to the list and offer whatever help I can.
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My device isn't really a legacy device and will be easy to get 4.4 on, but if anyone needs help compiling or getting started on building for their device I'll definitely help
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How's mine?... :good:
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This is far byond my imagination.. however , good idea though .. but im not a dev..
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im no developer but i can tell you it that even if it does take less resources to run kitkat, its all about the drivers...
if kitkat uses drivers newer than what your phone has available then it will be extremely difficult, if not impossible to get it to work right
say for example kitkat requires updated drivers for wifi that are unavailable to your phone, you either find some workaround for it (much harder than it sounds) or you will not have wifi
or say kitkat uses newer graphics drivers your phone doesnt have, then you might not even be able to get the screen to work at all
if workarounds are needed it could take months and months to get it to work at all and with tons of bugs
just take the droid 1 for example, gingerbread wasnt too bad to port to it since there werent a ton of major changes but ics took nearly 6 months to get working and it was still buggy with all the workarounds and that was a very popular early developer device
Thanks for the in put, but I can figure something out....
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My WFS has 4.1.2 with the ability to run 4.2.2. Same with the Huawei's
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You certainly won't manage to port it to the sidekick. They never even got cm because that phone uses really odd drivers etc
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azoller1 said:
My device isn't really a legacy device and will be easy to get 4.4 on, but if anyone needs help compiling or getting started on building for their device I'll definitely help
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I have a Kyocera Hydro Elite and in my all stupidity I've played way to much with system files. Now the device boots up to Kyocera screen and then lands to Verizon....after a while vibrates there and then restarts.
I cant seem to find a RUU for this device to fix it. I have dump of /system though. A kind soul gave me that. I don't know if that's gonna help.
Thanks in advance.
It's running on the moto defy and there is a group of guys working on a droid x build. Both devices are about 3 years old and have locked bootloaders. Most likely the droid x guys will need an updated recovery in order to get 4.4 to flash. They are so focused on fixing build errors that they might like some help with the recovery.
Here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2507779
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crazy4creationstudios said:
Thanks for the in put, but I can figure something out....
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See the flaw is, I here tons of people say "Oh, Kitkat 4.4 will run becuase it uses less ram", Which is true, but this won't make it possible to run on a 3-6 year old device. Kitkat is more about nand than it is ram. To run kitkat, you device is going to need at least 300mb for system space.
And not to get you red or mad or anything, but I'm going to tell you that this project is far away from possible atm. I've prayed that one day google will become like ubuntu and make it android with almost universal drivers, but its not possible.
See, the flaw to this whole topic is that you left out a key piece of evidence. There are over 500 different android phones and such including android watches, glass, tvs etc. And it takes weeks to months to get a build for just 1 phone stable, and thats if you a great developer. And first you have to find a developer that owns that phone, let alone 500+ devs. And I'm sure most or at least half will want some type of pay for it, cause its not easy.
Sorry man, Im telling you the nicest way, but it just is impossible
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See the flaw is, I here tons of people say "Oh, Kitkat 4.4 will run becuase it uses less ram", Which is true, but this won't make it possible to run on a 3-6 year old device. Kitkat is more about nand than it is ram. To run kitkat, you device is going to need at least 300mb for system space.
And not to get you red or mad or anything, but I'm going to tell you that this project is far away from possible atm. I've prayed that one day google will become like ubuntu and make it android with almost universal drivers, but its not possible.
See, the flaw to this whole topic is that you left out a key piece of evidence. There are over 500 different android phones and such including android watches, glass, tvs etc. And it takes weeks to months to get a build for just 1 phone stable, and thats if you a great developer. And first you have to find a developer that owns that phone, let alone 500+ devs. And I'm sure most or at least half will want some type of pay for it, cause its not easy.
Sorry man, Im telling you the nicest way, but it just is impossible
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I have a criteria for this.
Must have 512MB+ of RAM
Must have 1Gb.+ of memory total
Must have a 1Ghz+ processor
Must be running ICS or later.
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I have a criteria for this.
Must have 512MB+ of RAM
Must have 1Gb.+ of memory total
Must have a 1Ghz+ processor
Must be running ICS or later.
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and the nand req
Sony xperia m
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Hi guys! First, this idea is awesome for Legacy device users (like me ). Second, i will ask, maybe someone can port any SlimRom to our device, we will be proud, if someone gonna do that. Galaxy Core is good phone, but the problem is, that we don`t have any dev, that can port rom for us. We - Core users are asking for help. Thanks!
Go for it
I recentlybroke my Galaxy S 4G and am back on the Sidekick 4G-- my girlfriend also has the same phone lol. If you could finish up where windxixi left off, Gingerbread would give this phone new life.