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Waiting for the OTA update?

i know the flash images for 4.3 are available now but wouldnt it be easier to wait for the OTA update? and the process will be simpler? or am i missing something? Also if I have a custom kernel but stock rom all I need to do for the OTA update is go back to stock kernel correct?

Cjshino said:
i know the flash images for 4.3 are available now but wouldnt it be easier to wait for the OTA update? and the process will be simpler? or am i missing something? Also if I have a custom kernel but stock rom all I need to do for the OTA update is go back to stock kernel correct?
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You will need to be 100% stock to get the OTA the normal way, otherwise you'll have to flash it manually via adb sideload or a custom recovery

EddyOS said:
You will need to be 100% stock to get the OTA the normal way, otherwise you'll have to flash it manually via adb sideload or a custom recovery
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so you mean like No custom roms, custom kernels or root apps? or root or unlock bootloader?

100% stock means exactly that. You can leave the bootloader unlocked but the main system itself has to be exactly how it was brand new as the OTA patches the original files. If they're not there the OTA will fail

EddyOS said:
100% stock means exactly that. You can leave the bootloader unlocked but the main system itself has to be exactly how it was brand new as the OTA patches the original files. If they're not there the OTA will fail
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Can i just go back to stock kernel and delete root apps? or do i have to flash 4.2.2

Cjshino said:
Can i just go back to stock kernel and delete root apps? or do i have to flash 4.2.2
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If i upgrade to 4.3 with the factory image am i still rooted? Can i still use my apps that require root lets says auto hide soft keys?

You can get OTA update even when you have root (assuming you haven't touched any system files), but you will lose root after the update. It's pretty easy to re-root though.
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I still dont have it via OTA yet.
Is it just the US at the moment ?

[Q] Will i still get OTA Updates.....

I'm fairly new to rooting and I just rooted my nexus 4 on 4.3. I was wondering if I would still get ota updates or have the option to flash the new version of android on to my phone. I'm on stock ROM and I have twrp. Also, if I do get ota updates or have the option to flash to the next version, dobi lose any app data, pictures,etc or do I just loose the root

androidpatel said:
I'm fairly new to rooting and I just rooted my nexus 4 on 4.3. I was wondering if I would still get ota updates or have the option to flash the new version of android on to my phone. I'm on stock ROM and I have twrp. Also, if I do get ota updates or have the option to flash to the next version, dobi lose any app data, pictures,etc or do I just loose the root
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Someone said that root does not matter, but you'll get OTAs if you're on stock. BUT you'll get an error trying to install the update if you're using TWRP or CWM.
You will keep your data and files, but will lose root.

gasparzim said:
Someone said that root does not matter, but you'll get OTAs if you're on stock. BUT you'll get an error trying to install the update if you're using TWRP or CWM.
You will keep your data and files, but will lose root.
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Is there a way to remove twrp without loosing any data(besides root) before the next offical update comes out?

androidpatel said:
Is there a way to remove twrp without loosing any data(besides root) before the next offical update comes out?
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Welcome to android and rooting your phone. Rest assured if a new version of android comes out it will be here just as fast as it will come to your phone. No need to worry about what may happen. Enjoy your rooted Nexus and try some enhanced stock options. Believe me the development in here will make you never miss a stock phone.
But to answer your question you can always use fastboot to obtain your factory recovery again but honestly its a much better world with custom recovery, kernel and enhanced stock rom... T9 missing from stock is a joke in my book
Edit: Also in the future its always good to google your question since I guarantee anything you can think of android related you probably was not the first. Your question is quite common and you may find answers from what others have said could be quite helpful to you
Take Care - welcome again

gasparzim said:
Someone said that root does not matter, but you'll get OTAs if you're on stock. BUT you'll get an error trying to install the update if you're using TWRP or CWM.
You will keep your data and files, but will lose root.
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I've used TWRP to flash every OTA update never had a problem. I also flash the SU zip right after so I don't lose root or my custom recovery
BLACKED OUT LTE N4

spaceman860 said:
I've used TWRP to flash every OTA update never had a problem. I also flash the SU zip right after so I don't lose root or my custom recovery
BLACKED OUT LTE N4
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You didn't loose any app data or pictures when you flashed the OTA file? Also, what is an SU zip?

androidpatel said:
You didn't loose any app data or pictures when you flashed the OTA file? Also, what is an SU zip?
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No you'll never loose anything with a OTA update. Super SU zip is how you get root find it here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1538053
BLACKED OUT LTE N4

androidpatel said:
You didn't loose any app data or pictures when you flashed the OTA file? Also, what is an SU zip?
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Sounds like someone needs to start reading the wiki threads and basically taking their time and reading up on your phone, your root process and the issues and concerns of the N4. I would pull up google and start typing in your questions...

[Q] OTA Updates with Root

I have a stock rooted Nexus 4 running Android 4.3 (JWR66V) and a custom recovery. Recently, the JWR66Y update showed up on my phone and I turned on OTA survival mode in SuperSU and proceeded to install the update. It booted into TWRP and proceeded to install up until a certain point but then it froze. I cancelled the installation and rebooted my device and I even got the "Updating Applications" indicator on the first boot. However, I checked the version and it was still on JWR66V and my device no longer shows an update available. I did the exact same thing with my Nexus 7 (2013) with the JWR66Q update and the same thing happened. Is there any way I can install an OTA update on a rooted device? Every time an update is available for one of my devices, I end up doing a full factory reset of my device to install an update. I have only been able to find things like Clean ROM and Shiny ROM and while I do appreciate the work these developers are doing for the community, I would prefer to be able to either download a fully stock and non-deodexed flashable zip for my device or find a way to install the OTA update without losing root. It would also be great if I could do so without a computer because I currently only have a Chromebook. Thank you very much.

Are you sure it was the update to the Y version? What did the file size show as in the system update notification? There have been 2 very small (1.8mb) updates which don't change the build number, maybe that's what you installed.
I am also stock rooted and have received each system update as usual, remember they take time to roll out world wide.
Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2

Nathanation said:
Are you sure it was the update to the Y version? What did the file size show as in the system update notification? There have been 2 very small (1.8mb) updates which don't change the build number, maybe that's what you installed.
I am also stock rooted and have received each system update as usual, remember they take time to roll out world wide.
Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2
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Now that you mention it, I'm actually not sure. However the update didn't complete either way. It froze on a step involving the boot.img (sorry I can't remember exactly what it was doing). I don't really need a fix for it anymore as I have already manually installed the updates using a friends computer but I only know how to do so by flashing the factory image and losing all of my data along the way. But just so I know for future updates, do you use OTA Survival mode or OTA Rootkeeper or anything like that or do you simply install the update as you would on a non-rooted device? Thanks for your reply.

KeanuKe said:
Now that you mention it, I'm actually not sure. However the update didn't complete either way. It froze on a step involving the boot.img (sorry I can't remember exactly what it was doing). I don't really need a fix for it anymore as I have already manually installed the updates using a friends computer but I only know how to do so by flashing the factory image and losing all of my data along the way. But just so I know for future updates, do you use OTA Survival mode or OTA Rootkeeper or anything like that or do you simply install the update as you would on a non-rooted device? Thanks for your reply.
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The root isn't the problem. The custom recovery is. You need to be on stock recovery for the update.

xda6969 said:
The root isn't the problem. The custom recovery is. You need to be on stock recovery for the update.
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Can I fastboot flash the stock recovery after I've already flashed a custom recovery and still have root? And if the answer to that is "yes" will I still be rooted after the next OTA update?

I am having the same problem. Both my nexus 4 and 7 recieved an update (1.8MB) but it seems that i cannot get the update to install. Both devices were rooted using the Nexus Root Tool kit.
When i got the update the devices booted in recovery mode with TWRP. Do not know what to do. I saw no update in the baseband or build number.
I am running stock android.
Please advise

[Q] Do I have to unroot 4.3 to get the OTA?

I have a rooted (no CWM changed) and unlocked Nexus 4 with JB 4.3.
I did not get the OTA yet and I wondered if it is because the phone is rooted. In addition, I read some problems with people who tried to update to 4.4 with rooted phones and are getting infinite bootloops.
Do I have to unroot my 4.3 for getting the OTA and achieving a successful installation?
Thank you all on advance

gosku26 said:
I have a rooted (no CWM changed) and unlocked Nexus 4 with JB 4.3.
I did not get the OTA yet and I wondered if it is because the phone is rooted. In addition, I read some problems with people who tried to update to 4.4 with rooted phones and are getting infinite bootloops.
Do I have to unroot my 4.3 for getting the OTA and achieving a successful installation?
Thank you all on advance
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Why do you need OTA update when you can get the stock ROM in flashable zip file? All features are remain the same for stock ROM. Search and download it in the Development sections.

gosku26 said:
I have a rooted (no CWM changed) and unlocked Nexus 4 with JB 4.3.
I did not get the OTA yet and I wondered if it is because the phone is rooted. In addition, I read some problems with people who tried to update to 4.4 with rooted phones and are getting infinite bootloops.
Do I have to unroot my 4.3 for getting the OTA and achieving a successful installation?
Thank you all on advance
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I am rooted and received the OTA notification yesterday. You 'SHOULD' be able to install if ALL you did was root. However, if you applied any mods that made changes to the system, the OTA will fail.
taodan said:
Why do you need OTA update when you can get the stock ROM in flashable zip file? All features are remain the same for stock ROM. Search and download it in the Development sections.
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This is your best bet if you want to run 4.4. You'll need to install a custom recovery to flash the zip files. All the files and instructions are here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2527806

gbarayah said:
I am rooted and received the OTA notification yesterday. You 'SHOULD' be able to install if ALL you did was root. However, if you applied any mods that made changes to the system, the OTA will fail.
This is your best bet if you want to run 4.4. You'll need to install a custom recovery to flash the zip files. All the files and instructions are here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2527806
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Will flashing the stock 4.4 wipe my data, or it is like getting the OTA, that I keep my settings...?

gosku26 said:
Will flashing the stock 4.4 wipe my data, or it is like getting the OTA, that I keep my settings...?
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Did you read the linked post?
First step after installing custom recovery is to wipe data/factory reset, so yes, you will lose your settings.

taodan said:
Why do you need OTA update when you can get the stock ROM in flashable zip file? All features are remain the same for stock ROM. Search and download it in the Development sections.
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I would like to keep my settings if it's possible.

gbarayah said:
Did you read the linked post?
First step after installing custom recovery is to wipe data/factory reset, so yes, you will lose your settings.
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What I would like is to update to kitkat without losing my data.
I have the bootloader unlocked and the phone rooted, but when I go to recovery mode I get "No command" screen (is that normal?).
I was thinking of getting the phone unrooted, then update through the OTA, then root it again, just for making sure I don't break anything, but the "No command" screen does not look very good...
On the other hand, Would I lose my data if I "unroot" the phone?

gosku26 said:
What I would like is to update to kitkat without losing my data.
I have the bootloader unlocked and the phone rooted, but when I go to recovery mode I get "No command" screen (is that normal?).
I was thinking of getting the phone unrooted, then update through the OTA, then root it again, just for making sure I don't break anything, but the "No command" screen does not look very good...
On the other hand, Would I lose my data if I "unroot" the phone?
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To unroot, all you need to do is go into SuperSu, disable root, uninstall the app and then reboot the phone.
If all you have done is root the phone, and didn't modify anything else, then the OTA update 'SHOULD' install without a problem.
You can go to Android Police and download the OTA files and flash them via ADB, or you can just wait for the OTA to be pushed to your device.
If you decide to do it the manual way, there is one additional step you must take to ensure to keep your data I believe.

gbarayah said:
To unroot, all you need to do is go into SuperSu, disable root, uninstall the app and then reboot the phone.
If all you have done is root the phone, and didn't modify anything else, then the OTA update 'SHOULD' install without a problem.
You can go to Android Police and download the OTA files and flash them via ADB, or you can just wait for the OTA to be pushed to your device.
If you decide to do it the manual way, there is one additional step you must take to ensure to keep your data I believe.
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Thank you for your help gbarayah, I really appreciate it.
One last thing: I'm not pretty sure the only thing I modified was the rooting. I did not install any zip to modify my stock version, but there is something weird. I will explain:
At first I had 4.2.2, then I rooted and installed CWM. When 4.3 was released I got the OTA update correctly but I lost the root, so I rooted it again, this time without CWM.
Is the "No command" screen what is supposed to appear when I go to the recovery mode from fastboot menu? Or I would get a default recovery mode program?
If everything is right I will unroot for getting the OTA, but if not, I'm afraid I will have to flash CWM and the stock version, loosing my settings...
EDIT: Ok, I've just realized to get into stock system recovery I have to press VolUp and Power buttons once I'm in the 'No Command' screen, so I'm pretty sure I don't have problems installing the OTA update. Thank You!!!

gosku26 said:
Thank you for your help gbarayah, I really appreciate it.
One last thing: I'm not pretty sure the only thing I modified was the rooting. I did not install any zip to modify my stock version, but there is something weird. I will explain:
At first I had 4.2.2, then I rooted and installed CWM. When 4.3 was released I got the OTA update correctly but I lost the root, so I rooted it again, this time without CWM.
Is the "No command" screen what is supposed to appear when I go to the recovery mode from fastboot menu? Or I would get a default recovery mode program?
If everything is right I will unroot for getting the OTA, but if not, I'm afraid I will have to flash CWM and the stock version, loosing my settings...
EDIT: Ok, I've just realized to get into stock system recovery I have to press VolUp and Power buttons once I'm in the 'No Command' screen, so I'm pretty sure I don't have problems installing the OTA update. Thank You!!!
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Glad I could help. In the future, as long as you don't modify the system by flashing any modifications, you should be able to get the OTA update to install. Root doesn't affect this, and if you're worried about it, you can always uninstall it.
I opted to update using the stock zip files that were posted above and it worked just fine for me.

Having flashed Lollipop, will I get OTA updates?

I used Google's batch file on windows to flash the stock 5.0, having unlocked the bootloader and also installed the chainfire root. Just wondering whether I'll get any fixes, or whether i'll have to always repeat this process, wiping out everything on the device in the process.

You may get prompted to download and install new updates when they arrive, but they will fail upon installation unless you're 100% stock.

there will be an OTA update notification if you have stock rom wether you have a sotck or a custom recovery. But if you download and install the OTA update having a custom recovery, the installation will fail and will show an installation or update error. You will be stucked in "no command" image. so better restore your stock recovery as well before downloading any OTA updates..

igeigeige said:
there will be an OTA update notification if you have stock rom wether you have a sotck or a custom recovery. But if you download and install the OTA update having a custom recovery, the installation will fail and will show an installation or update error. You will be stucked in "no command" image. so better restore your stock recovery as well before downloading any OTA updates..
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Does the Google image download page (https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images) get updated as Lollipop gets updated? Or am I going to have to do OTA updates?

hmm.. im not sure which comes first.. but, if you want to get OTA, you'll have to wait for your device to get its turn for the notification to appear. The effect will still be the same though if you flash that google image to your device.. And flashing that device, will save you time from waiting for your OTA to appear on your device.
Cheers! :good:

igeigeige said:
hmm.. im not sure which comes first.. but, if you want to get OTA, you'll have to wait for your device to get its turn for the notification to appear. The effect will still be the same though if you flash that google image to your device.. And flashing that device, will save you time from waiting for your OTA to appear on your device.
Cheers! :good:
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Well, I'm a bit confused. I'm on stock, but i need root, so i installed cfar, which I think included super su. when a new version of super su came out (i was alerted via google play), i needed to install the twrp recovery (which I didn't have installed at that point) to update it. So I guess I'm not stock any more, even though I've not actually put a non-stock image on. So even if the OTA update message popped up, I doubt it's safe to install it that way, even if it let me. I'm just not sure whether I need to a factory reset/wipe etc before updating, or if I can do a dirty update (the OTA is effectively a dirty update, isn't it?). And, like i said, i'm not sure whether that page gets updated with new images, or whether you're supposed to just put the initial one down and then do OTA updates (and only then root, change the recovery etc).

You have a stock rom but with a CUSTOM recovery. Yes, ota will prompt you to update, but DON'T. You should convert to stock recovery first. Because if you do, the update will push through, but once it asks you to boot to make the update in effect, you will have a NO COMMAND error - bootloop, and only fastboot and recovery (sort of dysfunctional). Just like most of the people here, including me. So make backup of your files first before doing the update. Cheers :good:
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If having a custom recovery is an issue, why could I flash ota zips from custom recoveries ever since buying the tablet?

igeigeige said:
there will be an OTA update notification if you have stock rom wether you have a sotck or a custom recovery. But if you download and install the OTA update having a custom recovery, the installation will fail and will show an installation or update error. You will be stucked in "no command" image. so better restore your stock recovery as well before downloading any OTA updates..
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Should have read this first. In the bootloop. Tried flashing back to stuck with nexus toolkit. No luck. Suggestions?

Rizz67 said:
Should have read this first. In the bootloop. Tried flashing back to stuck with nexus toolkit. No luck. Suggestions?
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Hi, what i did was flashing the official factory image from google via fastboot/bootloader... Make a nandroid backup first though.. Because you'll need to clean flash (system partition/cache and data) to avoid future problems.

please educate me
A few weeks ago I rooted my N4 with CFAR (& of course had to wipe out everything). My understanding was that now that my bootloader is unlocked, I can sideload new images, thus sparing me a rewipe -- & in my ignorance, was anticipating that ChainFire would make 5.0.1 images in due course.
So, If I want to root subsequent 5.x.x releases, how would this work in real life??

Can i just restore stock recovery and then install the 5.0.1 ota update without losing everything?