A big knock against this phone is its lack of LTE. Not a big deal to me, but I've been on T-mobile forever, so whatever. I haven't been able to find an answer anywhere, though, to this question: when T-mobile rolls out their planned LTE network, will this phone be compatible with it? The penta-band antenna has 1700/2100 compatibility, which is where T-mob's putting their LTE whenever it actually rolls out. BUT, what I don't know is, does a phone need a special LTE antenna to work with that type of connection? Or is it just a matter of the frequencies being right?
No, it won't work with LTE. EVER
Something that doesn't have an LTE radio built in is not going to work with LTE in the future. So, no.
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anybody in new york or been to new york with your athena to see if it works with the new upcomming t mobile 3g network? they say its running on 1700 freq.
anybody have luck or an answer for this one?
cuba3377 said:
anybody in new york or been to new york with your athena to see if it works with the new upcomming t mobile 3g network? they say its running on 1700 freq.
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that would be a no then, 2100Mhz is what the athena is capable of AFAIK
I have used the Athena on both T-Mobile and AT&T Networks in the US without issues.
I also have had no problems with T-mo in my area (central NJ) using 3g. I'm using an x7501...TJ
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I also have had no problems with T-mo in my area (central NJ) using 3g. I'm using an x7501...TJ
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that seems odd, Current roms do not have the T-Mobile US band included, nor is the current radio capable of running the t-mobile 1700 band in the USA. ATT band is 3g/UTMS 850/1900 and Europe is 3g/UTMS 800/2100
T-Mobile Edge would work fine though
Hi, sometimes the 3g pop's up on my x7501 its not all the time but next time it does I will take a screen shot of it. Maybe its an error I have no idea...TJ
some roms incorrectly show that instead of edge !
Ok thanks...TJ
So is it possible to get T-mo 3g on athena?
T-mo finally rooled out 3g in my area, I thought my athena was 3g capable and could fly through the internet and never deal with slate Flinstone tablets and EDGE again! Sadly we do?
Their 3g is rolled out on 1700/2100 band only, so to exit the EDGE stone age, we must buy the G1 (not even close to x7501) or ask a crazy question to those in the know. Is the frequency band offered on a phone limited and fixed by the ROM / hardware, or is it software driven where a patch / upgrade could expand it's operantional band to include 1700/2100 UMTS alongside the voice 850/1900 band?
I can connect easily to TMobile. I get the "E" sign showing on the antennae.
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T-mo finally rooled out 3g in my area, I thought my athena was 3g capable and could fly through the internet and never deal with slate Flinstone tablets and EDGE again! Sadly we do?
Their 3g is rolled out on 1700/2100 band only, so to exit the EDGE stone age, we must buy the G1 (not even close to x7501) or ask a crazy question to those in the know. Is the frequency band offered on a phone limited and fixed by the ROM / hardware, or is it software driven where a patch / upgrade could expand it's operantional band to include 1700/2100 UMTS alongside the voice 850/1900 band?
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It is hardware driven. Unfortunately this is why I'm going to switch over to AT & T because of the downgrade to get 3g service from a phone that NO OTHER Networks in the world uses is pointless IMHO. I don't know what T Mo was drinking or smoking, and when I asked the level 1 techs they said no future talks or expectations of using the NORMAL 1900/2100 Frequency like other 3g networks. Sux if you ask me.
Thanks for the note on hardware capability
I got similar responses from the techs at T-mo except I also got a moment of false hope when one incorrectly told me that their 3g is on 1900, I went nuts trying, then called back & someone else told me that it was in fact on 1700/2100. As I've been reading, their reason (though a huge pain in the ass for us) was to separate voice and data so one wouldn't steal bandwith from the other. Makes sense, though it would be easier to deal with if I had some REAL options other than G1 and crappy kids phones.
Since T-Mo has the best price for some pretty decent service (except EDGE that is), I've heard of some T-Mo users getting just an AT&T data plan alongside T-Mo voice, I'm not sure how it's done, do you need 1/2 simms, or what. If you find yourself doing this, I would like to hear your feedback.
Otherwise, I'll keep my fingers crossed that HTC will use some common sense, and use 1700/2100 in future US versions.
This is probably of no interest to anyone outside the U.S.
So everything we know in the U.S. about LTE has come from VZW users who were the pioneers. The article in the link below brings up some interesting points. First, give up on LTE roaming as there are 12 different frequencies it's approved to run over. Second, and maybe why battery life sucks for VZW users, is that their LTE phones are CDMA but use GSM and a separate radio for LTE. So here's a question. The article says AT&T is using the 700mhz frequency for LTE. Do you think that since we're GSM to begin with that the radio in the SGS2 might already support 700mhz but not have it enabled? A dev found AT&T's LTE APNs and logos in the 2.3.4 leak which is why I'm asking the question. If the AT&T LTE SGS2 has a different radio, could it still use our ROM? I'd also imagine the AT&T LTE SGS2 won't have the battery life issues that VZW folks suffer simply because hand-off between 2/3/4G/LTE will be within a single radio on a single protocol. Thoughts?
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2388526,00.asp
Hi,
Forgive me if this has been asked before but i did search and couldn't find anything that i was looking for..
so, I'm planning on buying a verizon LTE tab (4g + wifi) and i was wondering would it be possible to use it on a 3g network? The verizon rep i talked to said that yes this was possible but i'm not sure they knew what they were talking about.
Also, does it need to be unlocked to run on another network or does it come carrier unlocked? if yes, is that currently possible? because i asked verizon and they flat out said no..
Thanks and apologies again if i missed any threads related to these issues.
nevermind, got all the answers i needed
while LTE is backwards compatible with GSM, verizon uses the 700 frequency band which unfortunately is not what i was looking for
Typically 3G and GSM use different radio hardware, or even a different chipset. So a GSM LTE phone/tablet will have specific radio hardware for 2G GSM, 3G GSM and LTE. Verizon's LTE phones and tablet will only have CDMA for 3G and LTE. So, even if Verizon uses GSM frequency for LTE, it will still not operate on GSM networks, only LTE networks.
I got my phone unlocked from t-mobile and now can use AT&T SIM in it. For some reason I am not getting 3G/4G connectivity, just EDGE (2G). I had no issues on t-mobile 3G/4G network. I have been playing with APNs and nothing works to make phone switch to 3G. I remember there is a setting to select either GSM or WCDMA or both, but can't find it. Maybe there is something else that needs to be configured? Would the SIM card not support 3G network? I have Tytung ICS 4.0.4 r3.4 installed on the phone.
Just tried t-mobile SIM and getting good 3G/4G (HSPDA+) network. With AT&T SIM just EDGE.
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I got my phone unlocked from t-mobile and now can use AT&T SIM in it. For some reason I am not getting 3G/4G connectivity, just EDGE (2G). I had no issues on t-mobile 3G/4G network. I have been playing with APNs and nothing works to make phone switch to 3G. I remember there is a setting to select either GSM or WCDMA or both, but can't find it. Maybe there is something else that needs to be configured? Would the SIM card not support 3G network? I have Tytung ICS 4.0.4 r3.4 installed on the phone.
Just tried t-mobile SIM and getting good 3G/4G (HSPDA+) network. With AT&T SIM just EDGE.
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The tmousa hd2 does not have the right antenna to get the AT&T 3G speeds. One would need the Australian hd2 in order to get 3G on AT&T.
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The tmousa hd2 does not have the right antenna to get the AT&T 3G speeds. One would need the Australian hd2 in order to get 3G on AT&T.
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This seems pretty f'ed up. I've been seeing signal issues on my phone, but haven't realized it's bad antenna design.
I don't get it from the technological point of view as why t-mobile picks up 3G signal, and ATT doesn't. Both use the same UMTS technology, including frequencies.
Now, can the antenna be replaced with Australian type one?
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I take it back, that T-Mobile and AT&T use the same UMTS technology for frequencies. T-mobile uses 2100Mhz, while AT&T uses 1900Mhz. This is totally f'ed up. This is not the antenna problem. It's the phone's hardware design.
Does Australian HD2 use 1900Mhz for 3G technology?
no, not the same frequencies at all. (Its not bad antenna design, its the hsdpa bands), , t mobile uses 1700/2100 and at&t uses 850/1900.
Now, can the antenna be replaced with Australian type one?
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no, its not the actual antenna, its the radio circuitry. (unless you count buying an australian hd2, take out the mainboard and put it in your t,mous,in which case its no longer a tmous, its a telstra hd2 in a tmous case.)
It is very sad news for me to not be able to use HD2 anymore. HD2 is an amazing phone. It doesn't seem worth to pay $800 for Telstra HD2. It is just ridiculous that carriers use their own frequencies (non standard) so people have to buy their phones.
I just bought Samsung Galaxy S3, AT&T version to might as well use the LTE.
I am a little confused about some information I found on Verizon's Note 3 Page. It says that the Note 3 will be a CDMA phone but then lists the following bands:
CDMA Data – 1x and EVDO Rev0/RevA
LTE: B13 (700MHz)
Global Ready (GSM/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900; HSPA/UMTS: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz)
(original link: http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/...t&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedPhoneId=7194)
Does it mean that if sim-unlocked, it can be used internationally, and how, if it doesn't take a sim card? If it can be used internationally, I would much rather buy a Verizon (for the US) instead of AT&T. I use AT&T only because it's a GSM carrier.
I don't have the answer but I can recommend you to contact Samsung wireless. They certainly have much more credibility.
Good luck
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All Verizon 4G LTE devices take SIM cards. They have to, since LTE is based on GSM. Also, historically, Verizon doesn't carrier-lock the LTE/HSPA/GSM part of their 4G LTE phones, so SIM cards from other carriers will work in a Verizon LTE phone out of the box.
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I am a little confused about some information I found on Verizon's Note 3 Page. It says that the Note 3 will be a CDMA phone but then lists the following bands:
CDMA Data – 1x and EVDO Rev0/RevA
LTE: B13 (700MHz)
Global Ready (GSM/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900; HSPA/UMTS: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz)
(original link: http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/...t&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedPhoneId=7194)
Does it mean that if sim-unlocked, it can be used internationally, and how, if it doesn't take a sim card? If it can be used internationally, I would much rather buy a Verizon (for the US) instead of AT&T. I use AT&T only because it's a GSM carrier.
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I found the answer here, by the Answerer #2. The 4G/Data part of a global ready phone is GSM compatible, and only that part can be locked for data internationally; the calling part will still depend on CDMA in other countries. If that information is accurate, I will stick to an AT&T Note 3.
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All Verizon 4G LTE devices take SIM cards. They have to, since LTE is based on GSM. Also, historically, Verizon doesn't carrier-lock the LTE/HSPA/GSM part of their 4G LTE phones, so SIM cards from other carriers will work in a Verizon LTE phone out of the box.
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Truth be told. LTE has more in command with CDMA in terms of radio/air interfaces. It covered within 3GPP standards (GSM then EDGE, the UMTS, HSDPA, etc). Rather than 3GPP2 for CDMA1x and EVDO. That's why Alcatel Lucent had a leg up on LTE since its deployment is more akin (specterally) to CDMA. But they dropped the ball, and except for the US and Some Asian markets, the rest of the world has 3GPP based networks deployed.
the Simple version, is LTE is not directly compatible with any 2G/3G technology, but since its covered in 3GPP, the standards evolved quicker to ensure GSM/EDGE/HSDPA interworking.
And beyond that.. what most people dont know, that interworking doesnt really work that widespread yet. In the US most mobile handsets operate on dual frequencies (especially all VzW models, ATT models are catching up) so they effectively talk CDMA1x and LTE at the same time. iPhones do not support that capability, but GSM has work arounds to allow talk+data.
i'll go back to me hole now
(btw.. anyone with iOS7 and ATT.. what out you've got problems you dont know about when going back forth from 3G to 4G.. I know since at work we talked about how to fix it..
I believe a rumor was that it has the same LTE baseband chip as the iphone 5s so that you could potentially use the Verizon version on AT&T and T-mobile...any truth to that?
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I found the answer here, by the Answerer #2. The 4G/Data part of a global ready phone is GSM compatible, and only that part can be locked for data internationally; the calling part will still depend on CDMA in other countries. If that information is accurate, I will stick to an AT&T Note 3.
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Not true, I put a T-Mobile SIM in my Verizon Note 2 and made calls, sent texts, and used data on GPRS, EDGE, and HSPA+.
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Not true, I put a T-Mobile SIM in my Verizon Note 2 and made calls, sent texts, and used data on GPRS, EDGE, and HSPA+.
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I have also done it with an ATT sim on my Verizon note 2.
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Not true, I put a T-Mobile SIM in my Verizon Note 2 and made calls, sent texts, and used data on GPRS, EDGE, and HSPA+.
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I have also done it with an ATT sim on my Verizon note 2.
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Nice! Was this native to the stock Rom or is a custom one needed that has this ability "unlocked"?
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Nice! Was this native to the stock Rom or is a custom one needed that has this ability "unlocked"?
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Stock rom, rooted to allow apn editing.
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Global-ready is basically verizon's way of saying that it has a GSM 3G radio as well as a CDMA radio. That allows the phone to operate in Europe where there is no CDMA service. You can purchase international service from Verizon, or purchase a SIM from a European carrier while overseas. All verizon 4G phones have a GSM 4G radio anyway, because LTE is GSM.
(This means that with an LTE carrier in Europe, any 4G Verizon phone can get data in Europe even if they can't place voice calls (VoIP still possible)).
If I am not wrong with what I am saying, Verizon LTE phones only support LTE BAND: 13, which means that IF you are willing to use 4G with different carrier, they have to support LTE band 13. I have tried to use my Verizon Galaxy Note 2 in South Korea, I was only able to use 3G network via WCDMA, I wasn't able to get LTE service at all. Correct me if I am wrong.
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If I am not wrong with what I am saying, Verizon LTE phones only support LTE BAND: 13, which means that IF you are willing to use 4G with different carrier, they have to support LTE band 13. I have tried to use my Verizon Galaxy Note 2 in South Korea, I was only able to use 3G network via WCDMA, I wasn't able to get LTE service at all. Correct me if I am wrong.
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the different N3 variants due in fact support different LTE bands, so you are correct. Minor point not worth nitpicking from earlier post, GSM is not LTE. they both evolved from the same 3GPP standards body, but portions spread spectrum nature of LTE is more similar to CDMA than GSM.
I went to Korea last October, and they wouldn't allow prepaid 4g LTE. They would only allow 3G for prepaid service.
I had a note 2 rooted and custom rom when I went. I'm a US citizen and you have to wait about 2-3 days before you are allowed to sign up for any plan on what they told me.