[UPDATE:] Confirmed to work!
Without going into too much detail here (you can check out the full post in the AT&T Note II dev section here), my theory described below does in fact work as I postulated. However, it doesn't seem to work when using PC Odin (Mobile Odin may be a different story).
The basic process goes something like this though:
1. Download CWM/TWRP flashable stock N7105 firmware here.
2. Download the AT&T/Rogers modem from here.
3. Use custom recovery to flash the N7105 firmware. Confirmed to work with TWRP and CWM.
4. Flash the modem.
5. Profit!
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So, correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding of the differences between the international N7100 and the AT&T Note 2 (whatever model number that ends up being), is that the AT&T version has an LTE modem compatible with 700/1700 mhz LTE, but apart from that, the rest of the device is exactly the same as the international version. In other words, they are both Exynos devices with separate LTE chips, unlike the first generation where the international unlocked Note was an Exynos device, and the AT&T version was a Qualcomm device for LTE compatibility.
So, with that in mind, what's the betting that the international firmware is 100% compatible with the AT&T Note 2 (minus the modem)? Kinda like how the original Galaxy Tab 7" international firmware was 100% compatible with AT&T's re-branded Galaxy Tab.
So, what I'm really hoping is possible, is to be able to flash the firmware for the International/Unlocked Note 2 (no AT&T bloatware, plus quicker updates), and then flash the modem.bin from the AT&T firmware (so that LTE will work). Best of all worlds! International firmware AND LTE?
Normally I buy imports, because they're usually better in general. However, if what I mention above is possible, I wouldn't really mind owning an AT&T branded Note 2, while rocking an international/unlocked frankenfirmware.
What do you guys think? Is this a sound theory? Or am I just hoping for the impossible...
Ultimately, I'm just looking forward to the day that OEM's begin making unlocked multi-band LTE devices with compatibility for both Europe and America/Canada (and Asia). But that may never happen...
EDIT: The following is a response from another thread which more clearly illustrates what I hope we can accomplish here.
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so you CAN run a international rom then just flash a at&t modem?
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I'm not sure yet. That's why I started that other thread. It's my theory and hope that you can flash international firmware onto (some) of the domestic North American Note 2's (including Canadian versions).
Just as an example, and I think I may have briefly touched on this in the other thread, take a look at the original Galaxy Tab (7 inch).
The international version of that device, available everywhere else around the world, was able to function as a GSM phone right out of the box.
The domestic carrier versions of the same device did not offer phone functionality at all, and were basically locked down, pay-as-you-go only, data-only, worthless (but expensive) pieces of crap! Unfortunately, if you had a CDMA version (Sprint, Verizon, US Cellular, etc.), you were totally out of luck, because the chipsets were different (or at least the modem firmware), and not compatible with the international firmware. However, the GSM US models were an exception, especially the AT&T version, and here's why:
With the very slight exception of the T-Mobile version (which used a custom UMTS modem for its own 1700mhz AWS band), the North American GSM Galaxy Tab's had -exactly- the same hardware, transistor for transistor. As such, if you bought an AT&T branded Tab (as I did), and you didn't like your carrier dictating to you what features you could or couldn't have on your device (which I didn't), you could give them a big fat middle finger by simply flashing the international firmware in all its unlocked feature-full glory.
With the T-Mobile version, it was slightly different due to the custom modem. If you simply flashed the international firmware and just left it at that, phone functionality would work fine, but you wouldn't have 3G functionality (because the international firmware didn't support 1700mhz AWS), so you'd be stuck on EDGE. However, if you wanted 3G, all you had to do was use Mobile Odin to flash the T-Mobile specific modem.bin, and off you went (minus working phone functionality). You had to flip flop between two modems, depending on your needs, but it was an OK workaround.
So anyway, this all gets me back to the Note 2 of today. As I mention in the other thread, seeing as how the North American Note 2's are almost identical to their international counterparts, with the major exceptions being the radio hardware and modem firmware, shouldn't it then be possible to get international firmware working on a domestic version?
The first step would be to see if you could even flash international firmware onto a domestic Note 2 and get the thing to even boot up.
Assuming that's possible, and say you have limited cellular functionality (if any at all!), with perhaps only WiFi working or something, then the next step would be to extract the modem.bin from the carrier-specific firmware, and then flash that over the international firmware.
Hopefully, theoretically, that should get you up and running!
So to break it down, here's what I would plan to do:
WARNING!!! The following is just an idea for an experiment! Unless you know what you are doing, and are curious about testing this for yourself, DO NOT perform these steps unless you want a nice new brick!
I plan to use an AT&T Note 2 due to the fact that it bears the closest hardware resemblance to the international N7105. The only difference between the two, afaik, are the LTE radios and firmware.
1. Obtain firmware image of AT&T Note 2, probably from somewhere like Sammobile.
2. Extract modem.bin from carrier firmware and create CWM flashable .zip
3. Use Odin to flash stock N7105 international firmware.
4. Assuming step 3 works, and you're able to boot up fully, it's likely that most (if not all) wireless connectivity will not be working. WiFi might still work. So, if we make it to this step, the next step would be use the Note 2 Toolkit to root and flash CWM recovery.
5. Once CWM is installed, flash the custom .zip with the AT&T modem.bin inside of it.
6. Assuming this all works, profit! You now have an international N7105 Note 2, with all the development support of the international community, no AT&T bloatware, and working domestic LTE!
At least, that's the hope...
Please, developers, I'd like your input on this if you think this seems legit, or if it's even possible.
Chances are, you will have to root to do that... If you root then why bother? More than likely you will get the updates from here and don't have to worry about it...
Tidbits said:
Chances are, you will have to root to do that... If you root then why bother? More than likely you will get the updates from here and don't have to worry about it...
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I always root. I have never owned an Android device that I haven't rooted.
Besides, going the root method, and then deleting bloat can get messy. I prefer to just start with a clean slate in the first place, hence the int'l firmware flash.
This is what I'm leaning/hoping for as well. I like tbr support of international note better than the att note but the s3 changed it... plus if both get lte I bet the international would be better at turning on/lte when needed
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Above all else, I'm hoping that this will bring the development community together more than anything else. I mean, historically it's been, you have the international (rest of the world) development, and then you have the North American development. Inevitably, the international development has been WAY bigger and received WAY more community support.
With any luck, if the AT&T and international version of the Note 2 differ only in their modem hardware, their firmware (and thus development) should be interchangeable! That would be awesome!
whats the lte situation with gs3? its probably the same with note
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whats the lte situation with gs3? its probably the same with note
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never mind, the domestic gs3 has dual core snapdragon, just checked
ONLY advantage of getting Itl version to me is I get my grubby hands on it a month or so earlier...depending on when Sprint drops.
Right when I'm about to give up, I find this thread and know that there was a person who's in the same interest as I am.
I started another thread days ago asking about this, but it's not of the major interests in the forum seemingly.
Anyway, with much more info we have now compared to when it was Spet, do we have more or less hope in this possibility? If it is a viable operation, getting T-mobile's Note II is even a better idea because it's more versatile band-wise, given that people believe that T889 supports AT&T's UMTS bands as well as AT&T's LTE bands. Of course, this doesn't matter if you are gonna use AT&T majorly and wants the subsidized price from ATT.
Hopefully we can keep this thread alive and wait to see if anyone's gonna be able to flash N7100 rom on to i-317. Actually, since T889 is on sale now already, someone might be trying to do this on the TMO's version of Note 2!
We need to keep this thread alive very interesting op . I to was wondering if this possible if so thats worth a nice donation to whoever figures it out first.
Apple needs to take 2 take Notes!
Uhhh, the N7100 doesn't even have an LTE antenna...
That's the N7105..
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Uhhh, the N7100 doesn't even have an LTE antenna...
That's the N7105..
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Very tasteful perception and insight.
exparanoia said:
Uhhh, the N7100 doesn't even have an LTE antenna...
That's the N7105..
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Read my OP more carefully... I know/own the N7100 doesn't have LTE, and I know/don't own the N7105 is the one with the LTE hardware.
My whole point with this thread wasn't to see whether flashing N7100 firmware onto a domestic GSM/LTE would work or not.
The point was to see if flashing N7105 firmware was possible, and then separately flashing the proper modem.bin from a domestic GSM/LTE would possibly get it fully functional.
Effectively, theoretically, hopefully, this would be like having an unlocked N7105 with domestic North American GSM/LTE support.
Zero carrier bloat and 100% international dev support.
As far as anyone can really tell at this point (correct me if I'm wrong), all versions of the Note 2, whether GSM/HSPA+, GSM/LTE, or CDMA/LTE, are all identical to each other from a hardware standpoint, with the exceptions of their radios. As such, from a software/firmware standpoint, theoretically all different firmware builds should be interchangeable from one device to another; the only thing that you would have to flash separately as an additional step, is the modem.bin specific to whichever device you happen to have.
I was also told so. But as I dig deeper, I discovered another hardware difference. Looks like domestic (US) note 2's do not have pre-installed wireless charging pins. It might seem to be minor difference but i think it means a lot. Because I assume wireless charging requires software support, and you can see in that wireless charging DIY thread, when you put a modified N7100 onto charger, the OS pops up wireless charging confirmation. If domestic Note 2's do not have this pre-installed pin, it's very likely that they are not natively supporting Wireless Charging feature, and that should require some modification to the OS.
Yes they do have wireless charging pins.
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The att note will have the awful awful carrier logo in the notification bar that the International version thankfully doesn't have. That's reason enough for me.
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Yes they do have wireless charging pins.
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Not any of the two Sprint version I've seen so far.
This one does but it's a T-Mobile version.
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LTE needs a LTE chip to be functional. It's not something software can handle.
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Leechoonhwee said:
LTE needs a LTE chip to be functional. It's not something software can handle.
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Yes I know that. You're missing the point. Read the first post again carefully.
*bump* Anyone with further insights?
http://www.sammobile.com/2014/01/10/verizons-galaxy-note-10-1-2014-edition-sm-p605v-visits-the-fcc/
I have been waiting for the U.S. to get the LTE version of this tablet and it looks like the wait is almost over. I still prefer a GSM version, from T-Mobile or AT&T. Carriers have been known to modify devices, so I am hoping they added USB 3.0 and changed the button layout similar to the Pro series with Kit Kat. That's wishful thinking but the reality is all we may get is a locked bootloader and Verizon logos!
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http://www.sammobile.com/2014/01/10/verizons-galaxy-note-10-1-2014-edition-sm-p605v-visits-the-fcc/
I have been waiting for the U.S. to get the LTE version of this tablet and it looks like the wait is almost over. I still prefer a GSM version, from T-Mobile or AT&T. Carriers have been known to modify devices, so I am hoping they added USB 3.0 and changed the button layout similar to the Pro series with Kit Kat. That's wishful thinking but the reality is all we may get is a locked bootloader and Verizon logos!
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It's a P-605 so it'll be just like all the other P-605's. With the N3, all the U.S. carrier versions had the same h/w (except specific radios) and feature sets. Except of course what each carrier added and took away via s/w modifications. The "V" appended to the model number means VZW's N10.1-14 will probably follow suit. I don't know if you care, but all the U.S. carriers disable MMS and the dialer on their 3/4G tablets because they don't want them used as phones.
Not too concerned about SMS and call features, LTE frequency compatibility to make use of data is my main concern about not getting the non-U.S. version. I think it was AT&T who made hardware variation to the LG G2 buttons, so maybe useful mods can be made for the P605.
I'm looking to buy a new phone but don't want/need the latest and greatest. I'm happy with the performance of my HTC One Mini, my work HTC One X/XL and my wife's S4 Active, all AT&T phones used in the U.S. My One Mini just suffered a horrible mountain bike crash which busted the screen up pretty bad, then too, my old eyes are tired of that tiny screen. I've also had bad luck with the built in battery and lack of SD card slot. So I was thinking S4 would be ok by me. Asking on the device forum I've gotten 50-11 answers some of which are conflicting answers. I was thinking the i9505 would be the right phone until someone piped up stating it wouldn't work on LTE here. From all I've seen it looks to me like that senior member don't know what they're talking about. Here's my criteria:
1. 4.5" to 5" screen
2. Unlocked/unlockable and can easily accept custom ROMs
3. Prefer to stick with a Kit Kat Rom as it gets along with my Do Not Disturb app better than Lollipop due to the built-in app on Lollipop
4. Removable battery
5. SD Slot
6. LTE service on AT&T/T-Mobile and Caribbean and South American Countries
7. Custom ROM must allow hotspot w/o AT&T controlling my use (I have unlimited internet on my plan and want to make use of it)
Background: I'm almost green having only installed a custom ROM on my work phone an HTC One X/XL from AT&T. Apparently it's one of the harder phones to unlock the bootloader and permanent Root is impossible I think. I 1st installed CM12.1 on the HTC ONE X and ran into conflicts and buggy operations. After a few weeks of testing I backed it up, wiped it and installed CM11 which I truly like. No experience or much understanding of KNOX, ODIN or ODEX. I only read bits and pieces on those while trying to figure out which S4 variant will fit my need. Lastly, were can I get a new phone off contract? Anybody purchased from www.Cell2Get.com? I was about to buy this phone prior to the member claiming it wouldn't work on AT&T.
http://www.cell2get.com/samsung-galaxy-s4-i9505-16gb-unlocked-gsm-android-cell-phone-p-5122.html
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I'm looking to buy a new phone but don't want/need the latest and greatest. I'm happy with the performance of my HTC One Mini, my work HTC One X/XL and my wife's S4 Active, all AT&T phones used in the U.S. My One Mini just suffered a horrible mountain bike crash which busted the screen up pretty bad, then too, my old eyes are tired of that tiny screen. I've also had bad luck with the built in battery and lack of SD card slot. So I was thinking S4 would be ok by me. Asking on the device forum I've gotten 50-11 answers some of which are conflicting answers. I was thinking the i9505 would be the right phone until someone piped up stating it wouldn't work on LTE here. From all I've seen it looks to me like that senior member don't know what they're talking about. Here's my criteria:
1. 4.5" to 5" screen
2. Unlocked/unlockable and can easily accept custom ROMs
3. Prefer to stick with a Kit Kat Rom as it gets along with my Do Not Disturb app better than Lollipop due to the built-in app on Lollipop
4. Removable battery
5. SD Slot
6. LTE service on AT&T/T-Mobile and Caribbean and South American Countries
7. Custom ROM must allow hotspot w/o AT&T controlling my use (I have unlimited internet on my plan and want to make use of it)
Background: I'm almost green having only installed a custom ROM on my work phone an HTC One X/XL from AT&T. Apparently it's one of the harder phones to unlock the bootloader and permanent Root is impossible I think. I 1st installed CM12.1 on the HTC ONE X and ran into conflicts and buggy operations. After a few weeks of testing I backed it up, wiped it and installed CM11 which I truly like. No experience or much understanding of KNOX, ODIN or ODEX. I only read bits and pieces on those while trying to figure out which S4 variant will fit my need. Lastly, were can I get a new phone off contract? Anybody purchased from www.Cell2Get.com? I was about to buy this phone prior to the member claiming it wouldn't work on AT&T.
http://www.cell2get.com/samsung-galaxy-s4-i9505-16gb-unlocked-gsm-android-cell-phone-p-5122.html
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- AT&T has it's own variant of the S4. It's called the "SGH-I337".
- The I9505 will not work with LTE on the AT&T network. It support different bands. So the member was correct. You can see it here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S4#Model_variants
- The "SGH-I337" has a locked bootloader and cannot be unlocked. Only some old devices will have an unlocked bootloader because they never upgraded their software. Thus you cannot use custom roms like CM.
Lennyz1988 said:
- AT&T has it's own variant of the S4. It's called the "SGH-I337".
- The I9505 will not work with LTE on the AT&T network. It support different bands. So the member was correct. You can see it here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S4#Model_variants
- The "SGH-I337" has a locked bootloader and cannot be unlocked. Only some old devices will have an unlocked bootloader because they never upgraded their software. Thus you cannot use custom roms like CM.
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So is the GT-I9505G the preferred phone to have and to mod and if so, can I buy new one without getting a fake?
"Google Play Edition
At the Google I/O 2013 keynote, Samsung and Google revealed that an edition of the U.S. S4 would be released on June 26, 2013 through Google Play, initially featuring stock Android 4.2.2, later updated to 4.4.4, with Samsung provided updates; it has an unlockable bootloader (similar to Nexus devices) and supports LTE on AT&T and T-Mobile's networks. The model number is GT-I9505G."
I'm likely "that member", because I have an I9505 (not I9505G) running on Straight Talk, which is a US MVNO that rents bandwidth from all the major US carriers. The I9505 will not work on LTE here in the US because the LTE frequencies used worldwide (1, 3, 5, 7, 8, 20) are not the frequencies used by the carriers here in the US. The I9505G is a different story. It has the LTE frequencies needed to work here in the US, and does not have Touchwiz as it uses stock Android.
You can't purchase one new because they've been discontinued for some time now. You may want to check out Swappa (link at the top of the page) and see if they have a used one you can purchase.
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
I'm likely "that member", because I have an I9505 (not I9505G) running on Straight Talk, which is a US MVNO that rents bandwidth from all the major US carriers. The I9505 will not work on LTE here in the US because the LTE frequencies used worldwide (1, 3, 5, 7, 8, 20) are not the frequencies used by the carriers here in the US. The I9505G is a different story. It has the LTE frequencies needed to work here in the US, and does not have Touchwiz as it uses stock Android.
You can't purchase one new because they've been discontinued for some time now. You may want to check out Swappa (link at the top of the page) and see if they have a used one you can purchase.
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Really good and interesting reply. Being new to this stuff and having not kept up with cellphone technology, some of the things you guys just know, I'm having to try to understand. At first I assumed all 9505's were the same, but apparently I was wrong there. Then I also thought that since most cellphone review sites showed a plethora of Freq. and bands, with at least on or two being those that AT&T and most other North American GSM carriers use, I assume that meant I could get that model of phone. little did I know that those two lines of freqs and bands were for different versions of that same model, one for here and being a carrier locked phone and the other line being and international phone without the proper band for use here. So now after learning that difference it appears to me that there may be now way possible to purchase a new S4 and turn it into a custom ROM phone. So if I understand you and the carrier stuff correctly, you're using a plain 9505 and piggybacking off AT&T by way of StraightTalk like so many of us do. However since your phone is an international version you don't have LTE, is that right? One last thing I've yet to read or learn about but saw when I was putting CM11 and 12.1 on my HTC One X/XL (AT&T), I kept seeing stuff about "the radio". The way it read made me think they were NOT talking about an FM radio for music, but the freqs the phone itself uses. I think I recall them flashing "radios" which I assume they meant they were able to change the original freqs/bands that the model came with to one more useful here. Is that something that truly exists and can be done even on an S4 variant? My assumption is that it CANNOT be done or else you'd have done so already on your i9505.
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So if I understand you and the carrier stuff correctly, you're using a plain 9505 and piggybacking off AT&T by way of StraightTalk like so many of us do. However since your phone is an international version you don't have LTE, is that right?
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Correct.
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My assumption is that it CANNOT be done or else you'd have done so already on your i9505.
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Again correct. With Samsung, their firmware loading software, Odin, actually checks and makes sure the parts of the firmware match the model of the S4 connected to the PC. If they don't match, Odin will instantly fail. The only way to try and enable LTE on the I9505 is to delve into the low-level firmware for the LTE chip and attempt to rewrite it so it can see the added frequencies. However, I don't recommend it. Not only is it a very intricate process compared to something like rooting, it's also quite possible that you could render the LTE chip non-functional. I tried it, and nearly lost the ability to use my phone at all due to having my phone's SIM lock restored.
If you do decide to get an S4, an I9505G is likely your best bet. Not only does it have the AT&T frequencies, it's also got an unlocked bootloader (unlike the AT&T model) and is also carrier unlocked right out of the box. That last means you can use it on T-Mobile and carriers which use GSM SIM cards. Other choices would be the T-Mobile S4 (SGH-M919) or the North American S4 (SGH-I337M). All these phones include the AT&T frequencies and also have an unlocked bootloader so customization is easier.
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If you do decide to get an S4, an I9505G is likely your best bet. Not only does it have the AT&T frequencies, it's also got an unlocked bootloader (unlike the AT&T model) and is also carrier unlocked right out of the box. That last means you can use it on T-Mobile and carriers which use GSM SIM cards. Other choices would be the T-Mobile S4 (SGH-M919) or the North American S4 (SGH-I337M). All these phones include the AT&T frequencies and also have an unlocked bootloader so customization is easier.
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I thank you so much sir. This answer is direct and explains exactly what I wanted to know. I only wish it were possible to purchase one of those models new so I could ensure years of use void of glitches due to possible abuse by the previous owner. If I can't find one of the above models I will probably be looking for some other make/model, preferably a new phone not used. Do you know if it's possible to get a new phone that meets the criteria below?
1. Unlocked bootloader or one that can be unlocked
2. Removable battery
3. 4.7" - 5" screen
4. SD card
5. Capable of being used as a hotspot ( I have unlimited internet but need to thwart AT&T from controlling my use)
6. Rootable and custom ROM capable
7. Can be used in U.S, South America and Caribbean (I think most of those places all use the same freqs/bands as U.S.)
That is why on Swappa you search for the ones labeled Mint or New. My device was Mint off Swappa, and the main reasons were that it was always in a case, and had a tempered glass screen protector installed.
For a current flagship-level device, looking at your laundry list, I believe you need to adjust your expectations. Not because of the software, but because of the hardware. LG is perhaps the only manufacturer still offering both removable batteries and MicroSD card slots, but their flagship device has a larger screen than you want. Motorola doesn't have removable batteries. Google provides neither, just like Samsung. Sony is an unknown, but their devices are not common here in the US.
Your best option is to go with a larger screen size and get an LG G4. If you absolutely MUST have the smaller screen, then you want a used Galaxy S4 or S5, so long as they aren't AT&T devices.
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For a current flagship-level device, looking at your laundry list, I believe you need to adjust your expectations. Not because of the software, but because of the hardware. LG is perhaps the only manufacturer still offering both removable batteries and MicroSD card slots, but their flagship device has a larger screen than you want. Motorola doesn't have removable batteries. Google provides neither, just like Samsung. Sony is an unknown, but their devices are not common here in the US.
Your best option is to go with a larger screen size and get an LG G4. If you absolutely MUST have the smaller screen, then you want a used Galaxy S4 or S5, so long as they aren't AT&T devices.
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I guess I should have made it clear too that flagships, latest and greatest wasn't necessary. I'm happy with the speeds my older HTC ONE X and HTC ONE Mini supply. But closing in on 50 years old, my eyes and the Mini's screen don't get along so well anymore.
If you have bad eyesight, a bigger screen can be a godsend.
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If you have bad eyesight, a bigger screen can be a godsend.
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Exactly. I need a bigger screen but a smaller phone because my hands can't reach around my HTC ONE Mini. Sometimes it sucks being 5'4". LOL
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Exactly. I need a bigger screen but a smaller phone because my hands can't reach around my HTC ONE Mini. Sometimes it sucks being 5'4". LOL
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I would not recommend someone buying the S4 anymore. It was and still is a great phone, but newer models are just way better. The battery life is to short with the standard battery.
Based on your preferences I would recommend one of the following:
- LG Nexus 5
- Oneplus one
- Motorola X Play
But then again, maybe they are to big for you. The LG is the smallest but doesn't have a sd slot.
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Based on your preferences I would recommend one of the following:
- LG Nexus 5
- Oneplus one
- Motorola X Play
But then again, maybe they are to big for you. The LG is the smallest but doesn't have a sd slot.
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Amazing discovery by me just now. Yes, I've seen folks here talk about the brand OnePlus but I didn't know who or what OnePlus was until just now. I used to keep up with all things electronics related, reading review sites and forums like this. 10 years ago or so a DVD manufacturer named OPPO was the talk. Excellent brand but unheard of. I just learned that OnePlus is a company started by an OPPO founder. I'm so out of the loop.