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After i see a couple of threats closed and after this words i must say somethig, and if you want you may delete or do whatever yoy want!
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I must said That I'm tyred of you position and presumption over people.
If this is supously a forum for discuss ideas and point of views than i think You're not beave as you should.
If This isnt a forum to discuss ideas and pointsman of viewdata, than, congratulations for your beavement.
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With this behavior you remind me a presitent of my country since 30's to 75. Salasar. If you don't know who he was search Wikipedia. National fascism. Who try to silence others.
That's what you are doing here with You're commentary and behaviors.
finaly.
Since and unfortunately anybody until now can crack the bootloader we must discuss something EVEN ANGEL's SEX. but i think you won't admirer. RIGHT?!
Sorry for my enghish. If it wasn't good enough for you to read you can delete this.
i think this is the thing you like best. Being superior.
Thks. And until someday.
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Very trigger happy mods here. I mod on various forums too and you need to let people talk. Like someone else said, it's not a news group and we're not communicating through carrier pigeons or anything.
Well I pm'd PiLoT and he says he will open up the 2.1 thread once it has been released so that we can discuss it. So just wait a bit guys...
I was not refering ONLY to 2.1 threat.
Just check how many threats he had closed.
Long live censured sociaties and threats.
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rendeiro2005 said:
I was not refering ONLY to 2.1 threat.
Just check how many threats he had closed.
Long live censured sociaties and threats.
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Yup I pm'd him with exactly the same stuff that you were talking about, and his reply seems reasonable (to an extent)
I've had posts deleted too. When things go pear shaped I jump in with something light hearted. I admin'd my own forum a few years a go and only deleted slanderous posts which could get you or the forum in trouble. Food for thought when there's mass SE slandering going on but a 2.1 gets removed instead..... hmmmmm....
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There should be a bit more organising of threads imo. I'd create a few new threads of some of the more common problems we are having so when a thread is closed you can be referred to the thread created by the mods.
But I do understand why some of the threads have been closed. If I'm having Market issues, I wouldn't dream of starting a new thread because there is just so many already, and that goes for most of the topics/questions that keep geting asked over and over.
Everyone needs to have thick skin on the internet. I am a genuine, caring person in real life but I'm not afraid to be a bit of a **** from time to time. I don't troll people and I'll drop it after a post or two. Most people are like that too.
The big problem makers just need to be banned. We don't need to nanny everyone and close all the threads.
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I've had posts deleted too. When things go pear shaped I jump in with something light hearted. I admin'd my own forum a few years a go and only deleted slanderous posts which could get you or the forum in trouble. Food for thought when there's mass SE slandering going on but a 2.1 gets removed instead..... hmmmmm....
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I personaly dont bother if we had or not 2.1
What bothets to me is JUST because someone gtes a "little"
pissoff dicided to close something
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Personally I agree with him with most - not all - the threads he closed, all of them would end in trash talk and trolling, look at this forum and other phone forums, the xda forum should be full of guides and index threads, FAQ, etc..
Instead here we have.. well, you can see yourself, if someone said he killed a mosquito with number 2.1 printed on its back we will a make 10 page thread for it,
Another thing, mods use their free time to clean our trash instead of having sex with their gfs so you should be thankful about it,
One more thing, I live in Egypt, Google "president of Egypt" and you will see what it is that you are talking about.
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You are all lucky you do not post on the wind forums ( Orascoms carrier in canada ) Say just 1 thing thats not pro wind and you are deleted.. Not just that but dare to complain about the handset choices or coverage and you are attacked by the pro right wing wind lackies. I think ladies and gentlemen we have it good here.
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One more thing, I live in Egypt, Google "president of Egypt" and you will see what it is that you are talking about.
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On that note google Orascom ! i hear what you are saying my friend loud and clear!
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firstly i want to point out the reasons behind deleting posts
A. If someone want to voice an opinion over a matter, then they need to do so in a thread that already exists for that purpose otherwise we have, for instance, multi touch debates on the first page, if someone opens a new thread to discuss a topic thats already being discussed then its called post redundancy, and im entitled to close it.
B."Ive had it with SE, X10" or "I've Sold me X10 for whatever reason"
I Close these thread as they contribute nothing to the forum in anyway shape or form
C, 2.1 Release updates
I admit im being overbearing as far as deleting these threads go, but the reason is simple. People broke the rules. there were two threads previous to the current one that got filled with hate and arguing so the current one was opened with rules stating post only news in here, no discussion or opinions, and i got 5 pages of posts to delete, therefore i locked it as we still need to news but i want PMs
then i get 4 or more of the same thread with info we all already know and will go into the news thread as soon as i get my pms, also bear in mind because of the monumental time that the updates has taken this is by far one of the most hostile sub-forums on xda and it cant continue. therefore ive had to take a necessary measure in order to keep the piece including banning three members as they couldn't stop arguing
D, Threads posted by iHIM or his sock-puppets
This one should be self explanatory
as for the comparison to António de Oliveira Salazar well im offended ive never visited Portugal nor do i intend taking over parts of Africa
also i don't believe in deleting thread if they threaten my beliefs on behaviour and moderation there fore this is being left undeleted so you can see my point of view
also youll see from some of my deleted threads im less dictator like as i let them know they can reach me via pm for discussion if they disagree with my decision
I hope you can see my points of view and come around to agreeing with my opinion XDA shouldn't ever have a forum full of nasty comments
XperiaX10iUser said:
There should be a bit more organising of threads imo. I'd create a few new threads of some of the more common problems we are having so when a thread is closed you can be referred to the thread created by the mods.
But I do understand why some of the threads have been closed. If I'm having Market issues, I wouldn't dream of starting a new thread because there is just so many already, and that goes for most of the topics/questions that keep geting asked over and over.
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your refering to this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=678156
no illadmit the mod who made that is never seen here so if you want to make a replacement and want it stickied and you believe it will be read then creat it post it then pm me and i will delete the moderators one
there fore u can be responsible for updating
This is the first time I've ever entered the X10 forums, at -PiLoT-'s request, and I have reviewed the deletions and thread closures, and all are in line with the way other forums and mods work on other sections of XDA.
Threads are constantly going off-topic, there is flaming in about every thread I have opened, and threads supposed to be used for news and announcements are being filled with off-topic flaming, abuse and attacks against other members.
There is more trolling in this forum than in any of the others combined, and the number of duplicate threads is significant. There is only a need for one thread on something. If it's the 2.1 update, then there is an existing thread for it. If all you've come to do is flame or attack someone else on this matter, then don't.
If you are in any doubt as to the purposes of this site, please take a read of both the forum rules and the XDA mantra (in my signature). XDA was set up as a community of developers to improve their devices as much as they could. Over time it has expanded to cover more devices, but the aim remains the same.
Multiple threads on the same matter are counter-productive, and make it harder for new users to find information, so those threads may be closed for that reason. Additionally, if a new thread is made to announce "old news", it is right that it be deleted.
As I said, I have reviewed deletions, and all I have found deleted are flames, personal attacks, rude posts, off-topic nonsense or a combination of the above. The forum rules are located at http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=615 and I would encourage anyone who feels this kind of behaviour to be acceptable on XDA to read them carefully, particularly rule 2.
With regard to closing threads, this is a step taken when a thread has derailed sufficiently (and been cleaned) that allowing posting to continue would result in more flaming/off topic/abuse/junk. Closing a thread permits everyone to see the information discussed previously, and is preferable to deletion in cases such as this. Deletion is used where the contents of a thread or post are duplicates of existing material, and discussion has not developed, or containing abusive content.
As such, I can see no complaint here, as everything done is in the interests of XDA users. Nothing has been removed which is of any value (which was not duplicated in more detail elsewhere), and closed threads had either become permanent flame-wars, or were duplicates of questions or information that has been posted numerous times (thus needing closed to allow people to find the answers via search without coming across pages of flame wars over asking a question).
Again, take a read of the forum rules if you can't see anything wrong with the threads/posts that got deleted, and take a read of the XDA mantra ("What is XDA about?" in my signature)...
Honestly I don't know why you guys are complaining, if you've been following the X10 thread since the device's release back at the end of March you'll know that the problems described above by the mods were getting WAY out of hand without a proper moderator here and we all complained we needed one. Now finally we have that and people are complaining about that! I don't get it
Use the search button, then use it again...then again....then one more time. Then decide if you really need to start a new thread, more than likely you don't.
If you read any other threads on XDA they're absolutely right about this one being the worst for hostility and trolling, it was horrible for a while and I for one and very happy to see someone finally cleaning up all the **** on here and enforcing proper etiquette. Think about how much time you waste sifting through crap and ignorant opinions on here while you're looking for some legit information. The best thread here is the "Custom rom development : Devs only" and why do you think that is?
I totally agree with the MODS. Its bad enough trying to find anything in this forum without having to troll through hundreds of useless and pointless posts.
Keep up the good work Mods........
come on now, i own many previous phones before! i never seen so many threads closed, it' getting ridiculous! i used to own HTC Tytn, then HTC HD2, and now Samsung Captivate, and my gf has X10. go check out Tytn, HD2, or Captivate forums, closed thread rarely happens. isnt forum is for discussion?
update: oh, i forgot, i also used to own sony X1. haha
Just to back this up, I just moved 10 threads out of development for being questions. That's 50% of the threads visible on the first page to me...
And once I moved those 10 threads, another 10 threads came onto the front page, and every one of them was a question, complete with question tag.
Well, after some comments by moderators, I admit that:
1 - Maybe (and just maybe) have exaggerated the words, however, does not invalidate my opinion at all.
2 - I understand and agree in part (and thank) the explanations given.
3 - I admit it is not permissible certain kind of feedback from users of this forum, so obviously these comments will be deleted, however, does not seem right to close a forum discussion because of those comments even more heated (up rude). Perhaps it is more correct to call attention to certain kinds of behaviors and the consequences if they aren`t changed.
4 - I think it is preferable to "delete" comments that closing a topic (of course repeated topics obviously have to be deleted, do not argue that)
5 - is evident to me that this "call" clutter the forum X10 has to do with the fact that the devs so far failed to crack the bootloader for our X10 and the delay on the part of the SE to release a new version of Android , which leads to discussions, arguments, theories, etc. on our part.
5 - it is true and obvious that users of this sub-forum are lazier than they should and in fact should look more carefully before opening useless topics.
6 - continuo a pensar que, embora tudo o que foi explicado anteriormente seja válido, existem demasiados tópicos fechados para meu gosto. pois este e qualquer outro forum existente, serve para discussão. pois é da discussão que o mundo avança.
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translate still think that even though everything was explained earlier is valid, there are too many threads closed for my taste. for this and any other existing forum serves for discussion. because the discussion is that the world progresses.
7 - For me the issue is closed
Thread contains ongoing discussion about Phoenix kernel 'issue' (followup of the discussion in the original dev thread).
If you are interested, read on - public discussion about development ethics, rights, and many more aspects of life (how it started and who should be credited for that, who should build altar instead of kernel and what to worship in this miserable life) with the Phoenix kernel thread and some respected developers as a main characters in the play.
If not, just move forward.
Read the last few pages of that thread and come up with your own conclusions, the debates in that thread were going on in various threads between the devs.
Hopefully they all come to an agreement and resolve their issues.
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nikzDHD said:
Read the last few pages of that thread and come up with your own conclusions, the debates in that thread were going on in various threads between the devs.
Hopefully they all come to an agreement and resolve their issues.
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I was reading it, but it is ridiculous to close the thread.
Mods should warn the participants and delete thier posts, not close the discusion for the common people.
I do not saw nowhere warning for Entropy ot GK for insulting (word steal is quite inappropriate)
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I have utmost respect for the devs for all their work but the way this was handled was not right. Instead of bashing each other in public this should of been done off the respective threads instead of throwing punches left right and centre.
Hopefully they all sort it out and get back to what matters most and that's developing, what they excel at.
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There are certain values XDA holds on to and rules and ethics which developers should abide to:
- false advertising;
1) knzo during the void kernel days 1-2 months ago falsely portrayed features in his kernel as being unique and his implementation of them as first compared to other kernels and verbally downplaying them.
2) the conservative governor story which I won't bother explaining; read the thread
3) the wheatley governor, the day he released it, putting it even in the thread title and selling it to people, while this was a port from a phone with a completely different architecture and he did nothing other than copy it and sell it as a valuable addition, while the real benefits are unclear.
- lying, defending his lies;
1) for the above points, he repeatedly and consistently tried to defend his lies with more lies, never posting any clear or sensible or factual explanation, just more nonsense.
2) he deleted his GitHub of the kernel, he never delivered any explanation for this other than "he doesn't like it" which is a load of horse ****, which also coincidentally happened after the first round of complaints one month ago.
3) he is refusing to post his full or updated sources even after several requests.
- ethics;
1) while it's not XDA's business to judge paid applications, if financial gain is made based on false advertising as it is in this case, then it's fraud and against XDA rules.
2) based on all of the above, it's not how a XDA developer should behave, read the title of your browser window.
And now a personal message to all of you people of the opinion that such discussions belong to PM and behind-the-scenes: NO. This is supposed to be a development forum where technical discussions are being held and not a platform for posting your stuff and not expecting to be held accountable, part of such discussions are rebuttals and criticism. This is exactly why it's done in public as the public should be informed of it, as this is the point of this whole website, isn't it?
AndreiLux said:
There are certain values XDA holds on to and rules and ethics which developers should abide to:
- false advertising;
1) knzo during the void kernel days 1-2 months ago falsely portrayed features in his kernel as being unique and his implementation of them as first compared to other kernels and verbally downplaying them.
2) the conservative governor story which I won't bother explaining; read the thread
3) the wheatley governor, the day he released it, putting it even in the thread title and selling it to people, while this was a port from a phone with a completely different architecture and he did nothing other than copy it and sell it as a valuable addition, while the real benefits are unclear.
- lying, defending his lies;
1) for the above points, he repeatedly and consistently tried to defend his lies with more lies, never posting any clear or sensible or factual explanation, just more nonsense.
2) he deleted his GitHub of the kernel, he never delivered any explanation for this other than "he doesn't like it" which is a load of horse ****, which also coincidentally happened after the first round of complaints one month ago.
3) he is refusing to post his full or updated sources even after several requests.
- ethics;
1) while it's not XDA's business to judge paid applications, if financial gain is made based on false advertising as it is in this case, then it's fraud and against XDA rules.
2) based on all of the above, it's not how a XDA developer should behave, read the title of your browser window.
And now a personal message to all of you people of the opinion that such discussions belong to PM and behind-the-scenes: NO. This is supposed to be a development forum where technical discussions are being held and not a platform for posting your stuff and not expecting to be held accountable, part of such discussions are rebuttals and criticism. This is exactly why it's done in public as the public should be informed of it, as this is the point of this whole website, isn't it?
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Fair point, but why wasn't the thread closed much earlier than? If this was the case why was it allowed to continue?
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nikzDHD said:
Fair point, but why wasn't the thread closed much earlier than? If this was the case why was it allowed to continue?
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Moderators have a life too? Not all moderators are developers, and not all of them have the time to follow the discussion. And nobody reported it.
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Moderators have a life too? Not all moderators are developers, and not all of them have the time to follow the discussion. And nobody reported it.
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This.
Unless we are aware of something, nobody knows it's happening...
Anyone thinking we sit watching the site intently is wrong. There's a system to be followed, and it's been followed, investigated, and acted upon.
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Fair point, but why wasn't the thread closed much earlier than? If this was the case why was it allowed to continue?
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Because it wasn't "on the radar", but came onto the radar, was investigated, and action has been taken.
war was not started by knzo! and he said multiple times to pm him and not flood or spam the tread !
AndreiLux said:
There are certain values XDA holds on to and rules and ethics which developers should abide to:
- false advertising;
1) knzo during the void kernel days 1-2 months ago falsely portrayed features in his kernel as being unique and his implementation of them as first compared to other kernels and verbally downplaying them.
2) the conservative governor story which I won't bother explaining; read the thread
3) the wheatley governor, the day he released it, putting it even in the thread title and selling it to people, while this was a port from a phone with a completely different architecture and he did nothing other than copy it and sell it as a valuable addition, while the real benefits are unclear.
- lying, defending his lies;
1) for the above points, he repeatedly and consistently tried to defend his lies with more lies, never posting any clear or sensible or factual explanation, just more nonsense.
2) he deleted his GitHub of the kernel, he never delivered any explanation for this other than "he doesn't like it" which is a load of horse ****, which also coincidentally happened after the first round of complaints one month ago.
3) he is refusing to post his full or updated sources even after several requests.
- ethics;
1) while it's not XDA's business to judge paid applications, if financial gain is made based on false advertising as it is in this case, then it's fraud and against XDA rules.
2) based on all of the above, it's not how a XDA developer should behave, read the title of your browser window.
And now a personal message to all of you people of the opinion that such discussions belong to PM and behind-the-scenes: NO. This is supposed to be a development forum where technical discussions are being held and not a platform for posting your stuff and not expecting to be held accountable, part of such discussions are rebuttals and criticism. This is exactly why it's done in public as the public should be informed of it, as this is the point of this whole website, isn't it?
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I was about to post an explanation, but there is honestly no point, as the above post pretty much sums everything up.
You're installing this stuff on your phone, there's a reason things should be open and transparent. Would you install something from someone answering questions deceptively, or trying to mislead you?
nikzDHD said:
Fair point, but why wasn't the thread closed much earlier than? If this was the case why was it allowed to continue?
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You have to decide if you dislike that it was closed, or dislike that it was closed too late, it seems you are just looking for trouble. It's like asking why was someone allowed to steal before they got caught. Well, if the moderators had no proof and didn't know something was happening, then the thread was closed when they found out.
Portugal lost a good dev
eskostar said:
You have to decide if you dislike that it was closed, or dislike that it was closed too late, it seems you are just looking for trouble. It's like asking why was someone allowed to steal before they got caught. Well, if the moderators had no proof and didn't know something was happening, then the thread was closed when they found out.
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I'm not looking for trouble mate, I was just asking a general question. First time I've seen something like this as it was spread over multiple threads.
I feel bad for those that have paid for the app, now what happens if knzo doesn't update again, fair enough it's the end users choice whether to purchase or not but won't we get users now complaining about this as well?
Andrei - Excellent post. You and I have had clear differences of opinion in the past, and those differences got heated in the Android OS thread - but because it was public and we were both able to collect more data, the entire community wound up ahead with a greater and more accurate understanding of the issue.
I've stayed off of the subject of Wheatley to avoid muddying the specific issues of the Lionheart discussion (as while knzo was irresponsible in how Wheatley was ported - he made no false claims regarding it that I know of) - however I believe it was irresponsible to position it as a "premium" feature when it is in an experimental state. Wheatley will NOT work as the original designer (Ezekeel) intended on any currently released I9100 or I777 kernel.
See https://github.com/Entropy512/linux.../master/arch/arm/mach-s5pv310/cpuidle.c#L1308
Wheatley targets entry into the deepest possible idle state, and makes its decisions based on time in that state. The problem is, on some CPUs, the "deepest" idle state is actually a lump of multiple idle states that are tracked as one.
So if the cpuidle governor requests LPA, and the s5pv310_check_operation() checks return true - the cpuidle will use AFTR instead, which saves less power. However, whether AFTR or LPA is hit - it's all tracked as LPA. This reduces the power savings gained by hitting a deeper idle state, which is something Wheatley's design is highly dependent on.
Whether Wheatley provides a benefit is highly dependent on a variety of aspects of CPU design: Static leakage current, voltage differential between highest and lowest supported clock speeds, how much of that static leakage current the idle state eliminates, among other things. On OMAP4 it seems to be providing a benefit - but I'm fairly certain we have a wider voltage swing from minimum to maximum frequency than OMAP4.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1431105 has some good technical discussion that includes Wheatley.
The basis of much of Ezekeel's work is linked here at the top of the page.
If you read Section 6 of that - you'll see why I'm fairly certain enabling 100 MHz on our devices is pointless. I've never seen it save power, and in some cases I've seen it consume more power.
eskostar said:
You have to decide if you dislike that it was closed, or dislike that it was closed too late, it seems you are just looking for trouble. It's like asking why was someone allowed to steal before they got caught. Well, if the moderators had no proof and didn't know something was happening, then the thread was closed when they found out.
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Yep, we're damned if we don't close it, and damned if we do...
It's not fun, I don't enjoy doing this, but it needed to be done.
One and only post: I've been in XDA for some time now, many projects and only now this has happened to me. I feel like I've been a target of a witch hunt and I'm not the only one to think so.
I never lied, deceived or hid anything. Apparently I was "prosecuted" for something I said regarding Lionheart when I meant LionheartX which is the default governor in Phoenix since first version.
I was called a liar and I've shown them proof I wasn't. Yet, I still got my thread closed. XDA credibility only goes this far to me. I now understand why many are migrating over to RootzWiki for example.
Anyway, give the congratulations to entropy, gokhan and their fanboys like andreilux. One less guy competing with them.
nikzDHD said:
I'm not looking for trouble mate, I was just asking a general question. First time I've seen something like this as it was spread over multiple threads.
I feel bad for those that have paid for the app, now what happens if knzo doesn't update again, fair enough it's the end users choice whether to purchase or not but won't we get users now complaining about this as well?
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Understood. Unfortunately that's a side-issue, but I trust that when people buy an app or pay for something, or give a donation, it's done as a gratuity. Certainly, I buy every market app, expecting to never see an update for it... It's a hobby, but that's an aside, since it's not really anything to do with xda.
eskostar said:
You have to decide if you dislike that it was closed, or dislike that it was closed too late, it seems you are just looking for trouble. It's like asking why was someone allowed to steal before they got caught. Well, if the moderators had no proof and didn't know something was happening, then the thread was closed when they found out.
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there is still problem with understanding GPL and usage of word steal. nothing like that happens
false adv is used by every kernel dev. for me sentence - one kernel to rule them all could be as misliding as some names like ondemand or lionheart... who cares how it is caled. important thing for the majority is that it is working ok on the default setup
and void/phoenix was quite popular here
still in the current thread all was corrected in the description before clousing it.
i could understand that some developers here could feel bad, but they have to live with that, because no rule was broken and it is how open software is working
in terms of ethics and behavior more people earn some wornings (words like steal, spiting, etc)
I'm not on any side. I just want to know that mods are above that and just. not lead by this or that side of the conflict.
that is all. good night everyone
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and "-shutdown by XDA because other S2 developers couldn't handle the competition-" part...
entropy512 is from the us and uses at&t based devices. although I release at&t kernels he always helped me. in most technical and hardware details, he enlightened us with his detailed posts.
I am regularly chatting with simone and I must say that he is both nice and funny guy (and a little hyperactive ). I never bashed his thread and we are even working on some new things togetger. he is trying his best and I hope he will be better.
and simone201 was never an asshole in my thread (or any other thread that I know of).
and you say that we cannot handle the competition?
I won't make any further comment on that.
Ok
Having had a number of threads crapped, locked and deleted I am now asking (since mods dont answer PMs with the question)
Why can we have threads asking for help getting Thors mod running but we can not have threads discussing Thors upcoming Roms and cornerstone?
Not flaming, not causing controversy, just asking. So far I have seen multiple threads locked and my very polite, very clear, very 100% legal thread deleted with no notice or explanation and no response from mods.
I and others would just like to see a constant and even hand when it comes to Thor. Can we or can we not discuss his work, and if so, then can we have the mods remove the offenders and not the threads.
yeah, I saw this too. It seems the only time a thread gets attention from a mod is if Thor is mentioned. The rules are followed, yet the thread gets locked or deleted. Yet the rest of the sub forums are a mess. It is definitely clear that it's a vendetta now. Thread to disappear in 3,2,....
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Remember that XDA is huge... so some things slip through. If they do, you can always flag a post for review... That said, removing the offenders would be even worse, as (particularly new) members might violate the rules without noticing... Of course, some people just won't accept the rules, and I guess they are eventually banned. Other than that, the forum rules clearly say "no warez" -- and, from a purely legal point of view, Thor's kernel qualifies.
I would say purely because the moderation of the a500 forums has been so lacking for so long. Now they finally get sick of flame threads being flagged they decide to just nuke anything to do with the cause of 95% of the nuisance posts: THOR and anything to do with him.
OP Really has come across as a Troll account to me though TBH, sorry if I am wrong but can't you just let it go? You are like a dog with a bone, go to his unmentionable forums and hang out there if you don't like the rules?
He has followed the rules, even directly from the horses mouth. The rules state no links may be posted, that's it, that's all. Discussion is fine. There's even an ICS theme thread that's been going on for awhile for thors Rom.
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Yep.
I created an account 3 (!!) years ago just so I could be a "troll".
Looking at post counts vs time we seem to be about the same......lurkers who post when meaningful. I do spend a lot of time at the "unmentionable" forum. I also keep tabs here to see if there is anything worthwhile...unfortunately less and less recently. Show me one post (other than 1 deleted one that was a clean call by the mod) where I did NOT 100% address the topic of the thread. Just because some one does not like the answer does not make it a troll post.... those whos some total of input is "sputter sputter GPL sputter stammer froth sputter" those are trolls.
Personally I have zero interest in Thor's stuff and I find his behaviour to be petty, childish and, again, hypocritical -- "I use other devs' stuff but I don't want other people to use my stuff!" -- but I still think people should be allowed to discuss his stuff here. We do not lose anything as a community even if we allow people to discuss topics they find interesting, but we certainly do lose something if we start censoring discussions just on the basis of who they are about!
Just my 2 cents, here.
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Yep.
I created an account 3 (!!) years ago just so I could be a "troll".
Looking at post counts vs time we seem to be about the same......lurkers who post when meaningful. I do spend a lot of time at the "unmentionable" forum. I also keep tabs here to see if there is anything worthwhile...unfortunately less and less recently. Show me one post (other than 1 deleted one that was a clean call by the mod) where I did NOT 100% address the topic of the thread. Just because some one does not like the answer does not make it a troll post.... those whos some total of input is "sputter sputter GPL sputter stammer froth sputter" those are trolls.
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Hey I did say sorry if I was wrong!
Maybe one of the mods rubbed you the wrong way and you decided to be defiant? I don't actually disagree with any of your points, I just don't see the point in constantly questioning the mods or the rules when it won't get you anywhere?
Correct me if I missed something but it pretty much went
*Getting a thread closed due to mentioning Thor and people jumped in and started **** (as most mentions of him tend to do).
*Then instead of letting it go, posted a similar topic saying go to Thors site...he's working on stuff you want!
* Now after that thread failed you go ahead and call out the Moderators to what end? An apology?
It does seem the Moderators are more active in here now though, which can only be a good thing...if you are to blame in some way, thank you! lol
Update to reply to WereCatf instead of double posting: I agree 100% the mods deleting the threads is silly, they should only delete clear violations or flame wars. People will behave if the Mods stay as active as they have been the last couple of days and we can all discuss anything without starting **** storms and having threads deleted or people banned.
Great summation for the past 2 week "thor gate".
Honestly trying to understand the rules. I am a long time lurker/poster. I was actually around when thor was deving here. There is zero consistency so no one knows the rules. Tth thread that was deleted had over 500 views and was 2 pages long. I ddint see anything in it that was flamebate and I was very very careful to keep it 100% legit by all posted rules and previous mod comments. All of a sudden....poof. Add to that a complete lack of response via pm from the mod and it did leave a bad taste.
To be honest the whole thor issue comes down to opinion on who's right and who's wrong. It could go either way. He is clearly outside the bounds of xda though....no grey there, but from a personal level as to people stealing his hard work, I am behind him 100%.
Hell its been 2 days on this thread and no mod or "authority" has responded at all. In my book a poorly modded forum is worse than an unmodded one every time.
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Hell its been 2 days on this thread and no mod or "authority" has responded at all. In my book a poorly modded forum is worse than an unmodded one every time.
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Mate, just let go. Don't expect a response from mods, they are likely busy, plus they likely have better things to do than to respond to threads like this. I mean, man, let go now and go do something useful. If they respond to this thread then good, if they don't you're just wasting your time at being unproductive.
I'm new to the community so I don't have an opinion about a certain hammer wielding developer. However, why the F*** do people want XDA to support his stuff when he has a whole site devoted to that?
Jim
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Having had a number of threads crapped, locked and deleted I am now asking (since mods dont answer PMs with the question)
Why can we have threads asking for help getting Thors mod running but we can not have threads discussing Thors upcoming Roms and cornerstone?
Not flaming, not causing controversy, just asking. So far I have seen multiple threads locked and my very polite, very clear, very 100% legal thread deleted with no notice or explanation and no response from mods.
I and others would just like to see a constant and even hand when it comes to Thor. Can we or can we not discuss his work, and if so, then can we have the mods remove the offenders and not the threads.
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He has a forum use his forum to discuss how mods installed etc
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Thats kinda the point of this and other threads. There are other Roms out there beyond XDA. XDA in almost all other cases has no problem discussing them, referencing them, and even helping troublshoot them. XDA is very clear on what a ROM must be to be hosted here. Thor can not be hosted. No one argues that. We (and yes there are many who agree with me) just want to be able to discuss Thor here without the rabid anti-Thor crowd running in and crapping threads. As someone above said its become clear that it is a vendetta against Thor for some. If it is great, admit it, come clean and post clearly to all that XDA will not allow discussion of Thor, or moderate those who are crapping threads and let the discussion continue.
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Thats kinda the point of this and other threads. There are other Roms out there beyond XDA. XDA in almost all other cases has no problem discussing them, referencing them, and even helping troublshoot them. XDA is very clear on what a ROM must be to be hosted here. Thor can not be hosted. No one argues that. We (and yes there are many who agree with me) just want to be able to discuss Thor here without the rabid anti-Thor crowd running in and crapping threads. As someone above said its become clear that it is a vendetta against Thor for some. If it is great, admit it, come clean and post clearly to all that XDA will not allow discussion of Thor, or moderate those who are crapping threads and let the discussion continue.
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One of the things about XDA, is that you can discuss general things regardless. And of people have issues with a rom, no matter who it comes from, then that falls under the apache license. Not GPL which has to do with the kernel itself. Something to that effect.
Discussing Thors rom, does not violate any license agreement, nor XDA policy. Direct links to Thors kernel, or rom or code containing such kernel, does.
This has been stated by Mod's time and time again. Some people, just don't get it, and use any mention of the name, as an excuse to "carry on the crusade", most of whom have not an inkling of what happened in the first place. They just react on what is recently known, and then again, only "hearsay".
So to discuss problem with an android rom, regardless of where it came from, is quite ok. But if the "crusaders" (on both ends) cause too much of a ruckus, which normally happens, the Mods will shut it down.
If people keep it civil, then things will be ok. Discuss the problems at hand, and ignore those who get their jollies trying to turn it into something else.
Not another Erica Post!!!!!!! Ohhh no!!!!
I Totally agree with Moscow..For me the biggest issue is . I see and post to all the threads Asking for Acer to release ICS. Then there are threads asking for GPL Compliant ICS. In those threads the flaming starts when people come in shouting there is ics and im running it now. Go to Here xxxxx to get it.. Its perfect its good the dev is above and beyond all..
The above is what has started this flaming war.. IF someone starts posting that he is so great so much above and better then everyone else. The flaming will start. As stated above i kinda agree that discussing issues solving basic android apps and issues on his rom is likely ok. But when People start putting xxxx as being better then everyone else is again when it will become a flaming thread. Unfortunately xda is a community for all.Everyone will give there opinion.Its a two sided story.I was using the above mentioned stuff until way back.I seen everything that went wrong.it would have took one Tiny Link to Source code solve this whole mess.
so keep this thread clean from the he has the right to not share and you MIGHT NOT GET FLAMED. IF you are lucky.. Whats right is Right.and there is a huge wrong happening.As i FLAME If you will ACER Everyday in email facebook twitter there automated help on there website. Over the boot loader . Will it help NO. But like equality for all in the US. sitting on your butt surely will fail..
Just my 3.well maybe 4 pennies..
Sorry if this is considered out of line for your Thread..
As far as cornerstone. I really do hope he gets its Working within his rom.As this is something that can be stripped out and Used in the Acer rom when pushed.Thou im not sure how will it will work with the acer ring as that also makes major changes to the same files as cornerstone.
Peacefully .. Me
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Discussing Thors rom, does not violate any license agreement, nor XDA policy. Direct links to Thors kernel, or rom or code containing such kernel, does.
This has been stated by Mod's time and time again. Some people, just don't get it,....
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And this is the issue I am bringing up! I miss read the policy. The thread where I posted the direct link to Thor was locked. That was fine. I created a new thread that did not LINK. It DISCUSSED. It was 100% within the posted and stated rules of XDA, but that thread was DELETED!!
As for what really happened, I too was around, and read all the same threads you read. The issue of hosting the ROM is very cut and dry, it is not XDA material. The issue of if Thors ROM is legal, warez, violation of GPL etc is NOT cut and dry and is very much in a grey area. You can argue all you want about the rights or wrongs (ok, maybe not on this board!! ) of how Thor was treated by XDA mods etc.
I just want to make sure people passing through know about another GREAT ROM for a great tablet, and would also like to see XDA get back to being a well moderated (even handed) forum that is open to all discussion on relevant topics.
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The issue of if Thors ROM is legal, warez, violation of GPL etc is NOT cut and dry and is very much in a grey area.
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Just pointing out that that is not true. It is in violation of GPL, that's that. It is a fact, not "grey area."
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Just pointing out that that is not true. It is in violation of GPL, that's that. It is a fact, not "grey area."
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Well, you stretch the truth. To suit your needs.
Discussing of Thors rom breaks no rule. The "rom" itself does not fall under GPL, but under Apache. Only the specific kernel falls under GPL.
Now, if I flash RTripps kernel, using Thor's rom, are you to say I am violating GPL? No, and neither is RTripp or Thor.
GPL specifically states "Kernel".
So if a user, wants to ask questions, about a specific rom, well, nobody is violating any rules. Which is why the mods, have not intervened.
Of course if the cross comes to bear,,, well, that's just the way it is.
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Discussing of Thors rom breaks no rule.
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I never claimed that. Just look at the previous page where I said people should be allowed to discuss it.
The "rom" itself does not fall under GPL, but under Apache. Only the specific kernel falls under GPL.
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As long as the kernel is distributed as part of it, then yes, it does. If he were to distribute them separately then what you claim would be true.
GPL specifically states "Kernel".
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No, it doesn't. GPL applies to any GPL-licensed software.
So if a user, wants to ask questions, about a specific rom, well, nobody is violating any rules. Which is why the mods, have not intervened.
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Again, you're barking up the wrong tree there.
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And this is the issue I am bringing up! I miss read the policy. The thread where I posted the direct link to Thor was locked. That was fine. I created a new thread that did not LINK. It DISCUSSED. It was 100% within the posted and stated rules of XDA, but that thread was DELETED!!
As for what really happened, I too was around, and read all the same threads you read. The issue of hosting the ROM is very cut and dry, it is not XDA material. The issue of if Thors ROM is legal, warez, violation of GPL etc is NOT cut and dry and is very much in a grey area. You can argue all you want about the rights or wrongs (ok, maybe not on this board!! ) of how Thor was treated by XDA mods etc.
I just want to make sure people passing through know about another GREAT ROM for a great tablet, and would also like to see XDA get back to being a well moderated (even handed) forum that is open to all discussion on relevant topics.
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The real problem is the fact that any discussions on Thor or his works immediately brings about the heated arguments from both sides of the fence. There is just very little possibility that people here can carry on a discussion that is JUST about the ROM and issues/experiences using it. There are only a few ways it can be carried out here (and seriously correct me if you think I am wrong):
You start your nice thread to discuss issues with Thor's ICS ROM, you put in your OP that this is simply a discussion, no linking allowed, you can even put a disclaimer like "If anyone has an issue with this discussion, please bring to a MOD's attention instead of posting your opposition here". But...
1. someone feels it is their responsibility to post why they are against this. Or...
2. someone is going to post asking why we cannot provide a link, or where to find the ROM, or why isn't it in the development section... or...
3. someone is going to feel they need to retaliate when someone does one of the above.
Either way, one outcome, the argument will get heated, and the mods will be forced to step in and take action. If they feel there is no salvation for the thread, they will close or delete it. End of discussion.
So, really, the content of the discussion is not really the issue at hand, but how the discussions are generally (always?) carried out.
Why would a mod close the sgs3 thread? It was a thread for fascinate owners who are considering upgrading. It was a discussion within this community by people who wanted opinions of others they have come to know and trust, not some fan boy who posts in the sgs3 forum. Why should I go there when the opinions I want are here. And it was in the general section ffs. I mean what was wrong with that, its not like it was posted in development. Get off your high horse, this is our community too.
Oh, and by the way, while you were closing this thread in general for no real reason, you missed two posts in development that don't belong. GTW
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Since xda chooses not to assign mods who are a regular part of the community, mods routinely jump in with no sense of what is actually going on in the forum and go willy nilly. Then half the forum leaves and goes to rootzwiki until the mod loses interest.
Certainly not the first time this has happened.
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Oh I know I just couldn't believe it happened to a benign general discussion thread is all.
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a bunch of bs if you ask me...im suprised chef tony did that??
Edit: Never mind
I sent him a message at least asking why... I can't find any rules that we violated. this is why I've been bugging the admin to make either me, droidstyle, some well known person in the community a mod, it happens every few months that a mod comes in here and abuses their powers or something and pisses all of us off, we need somebody who is actually a part of the community that knows what is going on.
how come none of the threads that are in the wrong section have been fixed? how come the old threads from over a year ago that we keep requesting closes on are still open? how come the excess noob posts and things haven't been cleaned up at all? all that happened is some of our fun got ruined without him even giving a reason or explanation. just because you're a mod doesn't make you part of the community, or us not part of it. doesn't matter how much power somebody gives you if you use it wrong and on things you have no knowledge about.
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Preach on. I've been on xda since the Eris and the fascinate forums since around launch. I really don't understand why xda stays with a mod system that it has clearly outgrown. The mods are good but the system sucks.
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somebody should pm sixstringsg and see if he would reopen the thread.
Got a response from Chef_Tony. Here's our conversation.
Re: fascinate forum sgs3 thread
Originally Posted by sageDieu
I don't see the point of closing that thread, it is in anticipation of the phone because nobody in the Fascinate forum has a gs3 yet... the gs3 forums are such a cluster f*** that nobody wants to try and post there anyways. we have simply been discussing the phone that a majority of the fascinate community is upgrading to, is there a certain rule or something we broke? if so then I apologize for any offense caused. we just don't see a point to taking away our discussion.
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hi,
maybe i should have given a further explanation, why i closed the thread, but since i did not read it entirely, i wouldn't want to comment on the contents.
i did not close it for a real rule violation, but simply for the reason that the fascinate general section should be exactly that, general discussion of the fascinate, tips, tricks and tutorials. of course, users of one particular device also get together to talk about other devices, but at 10 pages, i felt it got a bit out of hand, because the same thing goes on with every device and when people start talking about a number of other devices in every device's section, it might get a bit cluttered.
still, i know, what you are getting at. i am mostly active in the sgs2 forum and of course, people are discussing the sgs3 there as well, with aspects only relevant to existing sgs2 customers, like if it is a good idea to upgrade, when you already have the s2 and what plans allow you to change phone after a year and so on. i understand the fascinate thread was basically the same thing, it was targetted entirely at current fascinate users from north america, most of them on verizon plans. that is something you don't have in the sgs3 section, yet.
closing the thread was just a first step, the plan is to move the thread to the sgs3 section and re-label it to give current (and former) fascinate users a platform to discuss the sgs3, with actual s3 users to look into and maybe offer a helping hand, since they already know everything about the device, but would not actually go into other devices' forums to help people there.
this step will be done in a few minutes, then the thread will be re-opened and has a permanent re-direct from the fascinate section, so you can still visit it conveniently from your device's section.
as you see, at no point was there any issue with the thread itself, it is just some minor maintenance to keep the forum clean and organized, feel free to continue the discussion in a few minutes.
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So basically he did it so that we could have a thread in the GS3 section for once we get our GS3s. Would have been nice for him to tell us that.
lol i think there are more important things that need to be accomplished here at xda. first step would be organizing that cluster f*** of a sgsIII forum.
I was reading Chef Tony's response and at first was thinking thats bs reasoining, than he made sense and I agree with him. And its still convenient cause I check this forum not the GS3 that often, and the thread is still here is fine. I was wondering where that thread went earlier haha.
I'm not seeing the thread on my phone any more, can somebody link to it please?
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I'm not seeing the thread on my phone any more, can somebody link to it please?
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Here ya go.
Reading this thread has made me a bit nostalgic. I've become quite accustomed to the little family of Fascinate owners here, small but dedicated. It now seems very real that the sgsIIIs are packed up and ready to ship. Even our threads are leaving us.
I don't post a great deal, but I follow you guys all the time. I suppose it was inevitable that the sgsIII would break things up, but it's sad nonetheless.
For those of you heading to the next big thing, I'll almost certainly see you there eventually. For those staying, I look forward to further discussions about the little phone that could.
I echo your sentiments. It's a shame that the powers that be decided to deprive us of the ability to discuss an issue that effects the community within the community. A thread in the gs3 forums is great and all but it isn't the same as it does not have the same dynamics or personalities.
Anyway, I may eventually make it over to gs3 land but aokp and devil kernel is a really nice setup on this venerable device. I honestly don't know if I can live without aosp and aokp so I may make it there eventually or just say screw it and snag a galaxy nexus on the cheap.
It's been excellent folks. This is the first phone I've ever truly found to be superb. But most of that is because of the hard work put in from devs like jt1134, adrynalyne, nitsuj, stephen, and many many others.
Those of you who are staying, I'll see you around. Those who are leaving, ill catch up with you all eventually :beer:
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The rules on this forum aren't well observed and I have to mention this, cause I find it sooo funny (or maybe "IRONIC") that things like this happen on this site. I am particularly talking about the Omega ROM Series thread...
I have literally read all 3950+ pages of the Omega thread and the same question (since the upgrade from Omega 34 to 35) has been asked over and over again (with some people still patiently answering it, whilst others are getting frustrated).
Can't believe that these people are allowed to post in that thread, but because I don't have 10 posts, I can't.... Seems a bit ludicrous to me, that people are allowed to post questions over and over without first searching or reading (as per the rules), but stupid rules (like not being able to post in a developer thread unless you have 10 posts) are enforced. Especially when I have been on this site for around 9 months (but just haven't signed up before or posted anything).
Very frustrating, especially since I have a question that I haven't read in the 3950+ pages and haven't found when searching, but I can't ask it... AAAGGGGHHHH!!!!!
Sorry, needed to vent (plus it adds another post, unless a moderator deems this as inflammatory and deletes it)...
You just as bad for posting this spam!!!!
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You just as bad for posting this spam!!!!
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Thanks.. I thought it might get a reaction. Just frustrated that's all...
This
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITeuaqcpckc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Thanks... Interesting that people are finding this thread to be spam (not sure I would have defined it that way, but I guess if that's how it's being taken, then I must apologise)..
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You just as bad for posting this spam!!!!
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This is not a spam this is a personal opinion.
I think that that kind of people are a must have on a forum that is this popular. Now everyone can find out with a single search that xda can make your phone wonderful or answer a lot of the questions you have. My opinion is to ignore them until they realize that they cannot get the info that way.
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This is not a spam this is a personal opinion.
I think that that kind of people are a must have on a forum that is this popular. Now everyone can find out with a single search that xda can make your phone wonderful or answer a lot of the questions you have. My opinion is to ignore them until they realize that they cannot get the info that way.
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Thanks mate. I knew this thread was always going to invoke a reaction (and probably guilty of posting inflammatory comments, so technically may not be within the rules), but at least it's helping my post count (until a moderator deletes them)...
It would seem that they were enforced, but they aren't enforced that strongly. It's because the moderators and admins have personal lives too, so they can't spend every living second here monitoring what we do and that we behave as is expected of us.
The 10-post rule isn't something they have to watch over. It's an automatic limit lifted only when the user has accumulated 10 or more posts,
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The 10-post rule isn't something they have to watch over. It's an automatic limit lifted only when the user has accumulated 10 or more posts,
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Hey there
True and not true
I remember perfectly when it was implemented, or rather why.
If memory serves me correctly, at the end of last year, early this year, the system of 10 posts was implemented precisely to avoid situations similar to the one described.
If on one hand there are people of good sense, regardless of how many posts written, it is also true that it is easier for a beginner, put the same questions repeatedly over and over again.
Unlike other "pseudo" members, when there is someone who draws attention to something that, in the opinion of the writer is incorrect, I think this kind of feedback is very welcome. If there isn´t members who express their sincere and correctly their thoughts, guaranteed that this space would not be what it is today.
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Same situation dude.
I have been a follower of XDA since last 3-4 years but hadnt joined till now. I bought my first android device about 3 years ago and stumbled upon XDA to know the meaning of rooting..!!! Since that time I have had numerous Android Devices and have had numerous roms for each device. I recently joined and was in a developer forum when I found a post annoying enough to comment on, but when I wanted to, XDA wouldnt let me. I had to have 10 posts. It was so frustrating, (the 10 posts rule) that I didnt visit XDA for days. But who can stay away..?? I came back and am now trying to have my 10 posts so that I can too post in developer forums.
I would like to add that there are many developers like myself, who are good at what they do. but just for the reason that they are new to join the site, but not actually new to the site, they have limited access. I hope this restriction can be waivered by some option. Like a multiple choice quiz....???
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Same situation dude.
I have been a follower of XDA since last 3-4 years but hadnt joined till now. I bought my first android device about 3 years ago and stumbled upon XDA to know the meaning of rooting..!!! Since that time I have had numerous Android Devices and have had numerous roms for each device. I recently joined and was in a developer forum when I found a post annoying enough to comment on, but when I wanted to, XDA wouldnt let me. I had to have 10 posts. It was so frustrating, (the 10 posts rule) that I didnt visit XDA for days. But who can stay away..?? I came back and am now trying to have my 10 posts so that I can too post in developer forums.
I would like to add that there are many developers like myself, who are good at what they do. but just for the reason that they are new to join the site, but not actually new to the site, they have limited access. I hope this restriction can be waivered by some option. Like a multiple choice quiz....???
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How hard is it to post 10 times. Just go on anything and add an opinion and ignore it.. LOL at least that is what i did..
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How hard is it to post 10 times. Just go on anything and add an opinion and ignore it.. LOL at least that is what i did..
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Its not hard I know. Its just simply frustrating. Having to post 10 times before being able to post in developer forums and Having to wait 5 mins before next post.
Why would u make thid useless thread??!
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Why would u make thid useless thread??!
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Why would you post in this "useless thread"?
OP: I think I can address some of your concerns. As Theshawty points out, humans do the moderating and the "system" bars new users.
If I had my way, registration would be by application only or every post was hidden until approved by a moderator, but alas I'm not in charge, yet.
In instances where the same, repeat posters are ignoring developer requests & subsequent moderator warnings, they will eventually be banned. The process leading upto the ban is quite lengthy, its also detailed here --> http://www.xda-developers.com/announcements/banning-policy-revealed/
This is to ensure users are given a chance to stop.
While the 10 post restriction can be frustrating, its there to protect XDA from spambots. Which has dropped significantly since its introduction.
If you see the same individual users asking the same repeated questions, hit the report button. Tell us, in as much detail. Each report is actioned by a moderator. There are 8 of us covering Samsung International handsets, we will get to it and take appropriate action.
As we're human we cannot see every post by every user in every thread. We rely on the community (you) to help shape it and keep it clean.
Thanks
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Why would you post in this "useless thread"?
OP: I think I can address some of your concerns. As Theshawty points out, humans do the moderating and the "system" bars new users.
If I had my way, registration would be by application only or every post was hidden until approved by a moderator, but alas I'm not in charge, yet.
In instances where the same, repeat posters are ignoring developer requests & subsequent moderator warnings, they will eventually be banned. The process leading upto the ban is quite lengthy, its also detailed here --> http://www.xda-developers.com/announcements/banning-policy-revealed/
This is to ensure users are given a chance to stop.
While the 10 post restriction can be frustrating, its there to protect XDA from spambots. Which has dropped significantly since its introduction.
If you see the same individual users asking the same repeated questions, hit the report button. Tell us, in as much detail. Each report is actioned by a moderator. There are 8 of us covering Samsung International handsets, we will get to it and take appropriate action.
As we're human we cannot see every post by every user in every thread. We rely on the community (you) to help shape it and keep it clean.
Thanks
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Because if we wanted to read the rules we would click on the rules and read them when we signed up... common sense mate
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This is a very useful thread, my post count just increased :good:
Would be nice if the system could rather look at a user's "search count", or "read count". But I guess it could be tricky to configure/code that.
My point, similar to OP, I must have read more than 80% of the 2883 posts in Sotmax's ROM thread, and as a result I was able to flash and use within minutes. Been using it for more than a week, yet I am not allowed to post in his thread.
It seems counterproductive to force 10 useless posts for someone who has clearly spent a lot of time on the forum. And I understand the reasoning as explained earlier in this thread, hence my suggestion to refine the rules, if at all possible from a technical and resource point of view.
Merry Christmas all :laugh:
XDA has a system in place to prevent duplicate threads but duplicate questions within threads I imagine is a lot harder to pull off. Also those that look at the 10 post limit as 10 useless posts should reconsider what XDA is here for. It's not hard to make 10 posts.. move around the forums, ask a question, offer advice or a suggestion here and there.. its not hard to hit 10. Its that way for a reason
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iampun33t said:
Same situation dude.
I have been a follower of XDA since last 3-4 years but hadnt joined till now. I bought my first android device about 3 years ago and stumbled upon XDA to know the meaning of rooting..!!! Since that time I have had numerous Android Devices and have had numerous roms for each device. I recently joined and was in a developer forum when I found a post annoying enough to comment on, but when I wanted to, XDA wouldnt let me. I had to have 10 posts. It was so frustrating, (the 10 posts rule) that I didnt visit XDA for days. But who can stay away..?? I came back and am now trying to have my 10 posts so that I can too post in developer forums.
I would like to add that there are many developers like myself, who are good at what they do. but just for the reason that they are new to join the site, but not actually new to the site, they have limited access. I hope this restriction can be waivered by some option. Like a multiple choice quiz....???
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Thanks mate.
Totally agree... Have been developing (in other technologies) for over 20 years. Am a relative noob when it comes to Android development, but used to own the LG-P990 and was on Owain's thread for a while. There were some issues that came up in that thread quite a bit, which no-one had an answer for, but I had a fix for some of them. Of course, I couldn't post it, so was tempted to sign up then. Gotten to the point, where I think I can offer some advice, so decided I had better start posting some stuff so I could help out (and also tap into the wealth of knowledge in these forums to get help as well)...
And now you're back down to 7. If your going to spam a thread with 5-6 consecutive post to increase your post count, try not to pick one where a moderator has posted. Hit the multi quote button. No need for 6 separate posts.
See the rules could be better arranged and also looked at.
I meannthe most obvious rules i see around is the whole ' no postingnin off-topic to get your ten post' rules.
Yet the mods clearly state that you are aloowed to post in the 'say hi thread' which is in off-topic.
Seems abit of a wrong rule really.
Anyone agree?
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