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I am in a frustrating battle trying to keep space free on my phone. I am to the point of deleting apps I really would not want to if I had the space available. So my question is, do any of the ROMS offer more app install space?
And FWIW, I have done apps2sd, cleared all the caches I can clear, and everything else people suggest to do. Thanks for any help!
Not an answer to your question but out of curiosity what apps are you using on a daily basis? I find that my "core" apps that I need plus an extra app here and there all install usually leave me with about 30MB free space. of course at this point i'm not using a lot and I don't have many games installed(just monopoly). I'm using cyanogenmod 6.1
tlogank said:
I am in a frustrating battle trying to keep space free on my phone. I am to the point of deleting apps I really would not want to if I had the space available. So my question is, do any of the ROMS offer more app install space?
And FWIW, I have done apps2sd, cleared all the caches I can clear, and everything else people suggest to do. Thanks for any help!
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When you say you have done app2sd, so you mean stock Froyo or app2ext?
If you are having this issue with app2ext, then you need to make a larger ext part.
You can also move your Dalvik-Cache to /cache or /sdcard, but only if you have ext part for the /sdcard move to work.
You need to change the partition table (by flashing a custom HBOOT) to get more space on /data, and as far as I know, no-one has done it.
Use good old Apps2EXT aka Apps2SD+ aka DarkTremor's Apps2SD. Read the Wiki to find the link, or just go to Development section and look there. Partition your SD card, make 512MB or larger EXT data partition, and you're done for all the foreseeable future.
How could you avoid reading about it and read all the rest - escapes me.
givathugahug said:
Not an answer to your question but out of curiosity what apps are you using on a daily basis? I find that my "core" apps that I need plus an extra app here and there all install usually leave me with about 30MB free space. of course at this point i'm not using a lot and I don't have many games installed(just monopoly). I'm using cyanogenmod 6.1
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Here are the top-10 space-hogging apps I have (and some of them are partially moved to /sdcard!):
Google Maps: 10.13 MB
Rock Player: 8.80 MB
SlingPlayer Mobile: 8.64 MB
Facebook: 7.40 MB
Adobe Flash Player: 7.09 MB
Twitter: 5.08 MB
Google Voice Search: 4.44 MB
Google Voice: 3.78 MB
Skyfire: 3.34 MB
Google Goggles: 2.60 MB
That's 61.3 MB in 10 apps alone...
I have 200MB in apps alone, not counting their data or Dalvik cache (together they come up to 380MB). It's not about having "core" apps and "rare" apps, it's about having the apps that I want to use. Some of them I use often, some of them I use rarely, but I don't have apps that I never use.
I am in a Similar situation, using DarkTremors Apps2sd. I havent done cache2sd because i am using a class 2 sd card, and have been advised against it.
I set up a 512mb partition, and have moved all my apps away from apps2fat, but max free space i get is about 32mb, after clearing the cache of both my browsers.
Check the size of your Dalvik cache, and do Dalvik2cache if it's under 80MB.
I have Class2 16GB SD card and I ran out of space on /cache, so I moved Dalvik to SD and didn't notice any performance hits.
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I am in a Similar situation, using DarkTremors Apps2sd. I havent done cache2sd because i am using a class 2 sd card, and have been advised against it.
I set up a 512mb partition, and have moved all my apps away from apps2fat, but max free space i get is about 32mb, after clearing the cache of both my browsers.
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I'm in the same boat...
I have about 32m free with Darktremors, which is actually less than if I move apps to SD using Titanium.
Might try moving dalkiv.
How do I check the size?
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efrant said:
Here are the top-10 space-hogging apps I have (and some of them are partially moved to /sdcard!):
Google Maps: 10.13 MB
Rock Player: 8.80 MB
SlingPlayer Mobile: 8.64 MB
Facebook: 7.40 MB
Adobe Flash Player: 7.09 MB
Twitter: 5.08 MB
Google Voice Search: 4.44 MB
Google Voice: 3.78 MB
Skyfire: 3.34 MB
Google Goggles: 2.60 MB
That's 61.3 MB in 10 apps alone...
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One way to get a bit of space back is to move the updated ROM apps to the /system/app partition, replacing the older versions and deleting the new versions out of /data/app. I've done that with Maps, Voice, Goggles, and YouTube. You should be able to do it with Twitter and Facebook as well--I don't use them and so just removed them from the ROM altogether. You can find details on doing this via a Google search, though I could post my procedure in this thread if anyone's interested.
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though I could post my procedure in this thread if anyone's interested.
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Sound's cool...do post your steps & what filemanager your using.
Jack_R1 said:
Check the size of your Dalvik cache, and do Dalvik2cache if it's under 80MB.
I have Class2 16GB SD card and I ran out of space on /cache, so I moved Dalvik to SD and didn't notice any performance hits.
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Be VERY careful when moving your Dalvik-Cache to /cache. It's only 90MB and not used if you are running a custom ROM. The /cache partition is only there to stage OTA's from Google. If you are running custom recovery, it won't be used.
Anyway, I would HIGHLY suggest you get yourself a Class 6 Card or better and move it to SD. It will free up a TON more space and stretch out your love of your N1.
I'm running CM, and it looks like the cache also stages apps downloaded from the market...
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I'm running CM, and it looks like the cache also stages apps downloaded from the market...
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Well that's stupid.
Oh well, guess /cache is not a very good idea after all.
Just what it looks like. I downloaded 4 apps today, and cache has 4 download.apk type files with today's date...
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Yeah....I had space issues until I moved Dalvik to SD, freed over 80mb space. But if I remember right, I had some issues when doing this and had to wipe and do a fresh install, move dalvik and apps, then restore. Or maybe that was when I tried dalvik to cache.....which would explain why it was bad.
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Sound's cool...do post your steps & what filemanager your using.
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I've been doing it with an Orange San Francisco this morning, it's easy, just use busybox to cp the .apk files from /data/app to /system/app, the ones in /data/app were automatically removed by the OS.
Yeah, why the hell do you have so much of that those apps in /data/apps when you could just put them in /system/apps which is a different storage.
I could put Facebook there too but i only install about 7-10apps on my phone. Angry Birds being the biggest but that's on the SD card (Froyo A2SD). After all my apps i probably have 170MB free in the DATA. Granted i'm not installing 60apps like some people here but i'm sure if you put Facebook and Google Maps in the system (along with twitter and all that other stuff that come included in the GAPPS zip file) then you'd have more free space. After a clean install i usually have 196MB free to start from.
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I've been doing it with an Orange San Francisco this morning, it's easy, just use busybox to cp the .apk files from /data/app to /system/app, the ones in /data/app were automatically removed by the OS.
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So you're not doing anything fancy, just copy the apk's? They are named exactly the same, etc?
I'm going to try this too.. Gonna visit the ole nandroid first though.
derp, wait, this doesn't even matter if you're using Apps2Ext right? Not going to save any space in /data in that case.
BTW, this isn't exactly pretty, but I was having some serious /data space issues since installing Dungeon Hunter.. 6.5m library in /data/data/*gameloft*/lib, so I mkdir /system/sd/gameloft and moved/symlinked the lib. Works great. I have a few other libs in /data/data that I could do, but for now this gets me back to 25M free.
Still fighting moving dalvik to SD but I imagine I'll be doing that eventually.
Can anyone explain to me why when I have a 1Gb Ext4 partition on my SD card with only 367Mb used I am getting Low Storage warning when restoring my apps (143 of them) through Titanium Backup onto a clean HardDroid2 CM7 build with A2SD flashed and confirmed working? When I check it states 199Mb used, 13Mb free but when I use Root Explorer to look into SD-Ext I have App, Private App, Data, Dalvik, etc and all of the app APKs appear to be in there. Am I missing something here? I had the same issue for the first time a couple of days ago when I reflashed Hyperdroid - never had it before, and always do full Task29/fresh MAGLDR/fresh CWM/CWM wipe wipe wipe/etc for each new ROM so SD Ext is always reformatted too. It's driving me nuts
when you install an app, the size of that app gets knocked off the available space, but gets restored when you reboot, so try installing a few, check eth remaining space, then reboot, see if the reported space changes. (Ive never tested it myself, just repeating something i read)_
..also using app2sd and my phone mem seems to decrease also.
When i look into /data and /sdext i see in both the app folder with all apps installed.
but the used space seems to be bigger on the sd-ext.
...when you install e.g. Angry birds with 20 mb you will notice that your internal storage will NOT decrease to that amount: thats the reason why the data folder is smaller than the sd ext.
Seems so that parts of the apps are stored on the phone mem although we ve got app2sd with an sd ext.
Once i tried to delete that data folder, but then all apps stopped working.
In twyeens rom you can move your apps to sd, there was a fix some months ago, so that all apps runs fine from it also e.g. angry birds.
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*EDIT* seems I fixed it
Hello,
I bought myself a new SD card and want to make a partition to install my apps on, rather than in the phone's real internal memory. Sorry for the long story, kindof explaining what I have already tried Hope you'll read it.
So I selected "partition SD card" in clockworkmod recovery, chose 512 MB and 0 MB swap. Afterwards I followed the steps as said by erwinP here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1015532&page=164 I flashed the script (beta 3 version) and put my backup of my SD card back through the mounting option in CWM. I also installed A2SD GUI app for this script.
I first installed a busybox installer, but I got errors when installing. However I have come to read that cyanogenmod already includes busybox so this is not a problem I assume.
When I thus rebooted my phone it booted in the ADW launcher, and only the apps I had (partially) on SD already were shown. When opening the A2SDGUI app, I toggled "apps are on SD!" assuming I could put them all in the new internal memory, however it does nothing, only say "caution: your kernel must support the filesystem!"
So I thought perhaps my kernel is outdated (I was running CM 7.0.2) so I flashed nightly #177 (as I was going to do it anyway, and it has a new kernel). After that I rebooted back in my launcherpro and had all my apps back (even though the ones on SD look a bit odd in the settings), but the A2SD GUI app wouldn't open because I had no script, so I flashed that again. But now it STILL gives the same caution without doing anything else.
In CM settings I have allowed installation at an external place and said to install in internal memory next time. But it still says "internal memory 175 mb, used xxx mb", shouldn't I see internal memory 512 mb?
I hope anybody has experience with this, using CM7 and can help me with this
Cheers!
The internal memory space that u see in settings is the phone /data partition, and it will not include the ext3 partition of sdcard.
And if u face issues with A2SDGUI app, then uninstall and reinstall it. Still issues use the terminal emulator commands. A2SDGUI will be the graphical interface of terminal emulator commands AFAIK.
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reinstalling actually fixed the "info" tab, showing how much MB is free on each partition etc, which did not work before either. However the moving still gives the same caution... odd
Perhaps I'll try the terminal commands
*edit* using a few terminal commands, I still get a LOT of errors. Tons of lines so here a few examples:
cp: can't create '/DATA:dta2sd.lg2"': File exists
rm: can't remove '/data/dta2sd.lg1': permission denied
[!] no block device /dev/block/mmcblk4
and when trying to convert to ext3 partition type, I get an error "[X] kernel does not support EXT3 partition. cannot continue". Very strange that a new CM7 mod would not support EXT3?
If anybody would have a clue, that would be great
I don't think you need to toggle "apps are on SD" I think after running the script apps are automatically sent to your ext partition.
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I was wondering the same, since there IS memory being used from the EXT partition. Still I wonder why the internal memory is still 106 MB being used, I would think more would be available after using the EXT partition...
Just to be clear, when I (in the settings - apps) move an app "from SD card to phone", it moves it to the EXT partition right? And when moving to SD it just moves it from the EXT partition to the SD as before?
Not too sure mate, I don't use it now thanks to 3xeno's thread for custom mtd partition, I don't really use that many apps anymore just Facebook, xda, Google+ and a few customization tools so don't need an extra partition now.
If you want to free up some memory take a look at custom mtd partition, it works better than a2sd as things run more stable when on the internal memory. If you have hundreds of apps though you can use a2sd aswell as an mtd partition.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1233340
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Same problem,but a little change in conditions, actually I am thinking to start a new topic to get some help, bro u r first!
So in my case it is a change from cm7.0.3 to #177cm7, as I used app2sd script by darktemor in the stable release, with 512 MB a2sd partition, filled with 50+app, every thing can be moved to SD,but never my a2sd partition showed any memory usage, it is as of its birth size!, dont know where all app stored, but still all worked,.
Now attracted by #177cm7, I switched to it after taking a titanium backup, then I installed titanium backup to restore app, alas my a2sd partition is gone!, also I can't use a2sd script, it gives frequent reboots, but. Now I am thinking of repartition my card, till then I am using the built in cm7 feature to move apk to card, if any one got some clues, help us
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Hello wolfway
As already said: when looking to the internal memory space, you won't see any changes.. I know that I said that in my previous posts, so sorry about that.
And about the selecting the "apps are on SD!": if you do that, you move all the apps that are on your SD-EXT partition to your 'real' internal memory. So don't do that
Perhaps you should try all over again.. Reflash the latest nightly, wipe the dalvik cache and reflash the DTA2SD script. Then go to the market, download A2SDGUI and run it.
I just did that and went to "settings -> Applications -> Manage applications -> SD-card" and saw that my latest app was on the sd-card. Apparently flashing a new nightly removed my DTA2SD script (looking at the installer script, it seems logical I think), so apps were installed on my sd-card again with the build-in froyo A2SD.
What I did: I opened the A2SDGUI and went to the tab "system info". I wrote down how much of the internal memory and how much of the SD-EXT I had left (51 mb and 363 mb respectively). Then I went back to "settings -> applications ->..." and moved that one app that was located on my sd-card, to my internal memory. I then went back to A2SDGUI and looked up how much mb free I had. I then noticed that my SD-EXT dropped from 363mb to 361mb, which means that the DTA2SD script worked
Next I went to "settings -> CyanogenMod settings -> Application settings -> install location" and I selected "internal". My guess is that all new apps now will be installed on the internal memory or the ext-memory.
Really sorry again to have caused confusion!
Erwin
Erwin your last post made me confused!
So what exactly do i need to do? Never choose install location to external in 'application management'( taking about cm7 #177 build, not any other rom)? Or can i do it?, as my need is to keep internal memory free, and to put all my bulky collection of apk's to sd-ext.
Another doubts are..
1. Can i use dta2sd in cm7 #177 build? Does it support it?
2. Why do i need to put app to sd-ext, when there is already an option in cm7 to install them on sd?
3. What are the benifits i get if i use ext4 insted of ext3? Does cm7 support it?
4. Is it the android secure folder in which app are installed in sd?(if i have no ext3)
5.and a last one, if i use dta2sd script in cm7#177,(does it work?) And partition my sd to ext-3+fat32+swap partition, then chose install location to internal, will all my apks will be installed on ext3 by default?or should i have 2 move them using a2sd app? And where will the apk stored if i move a system apk to sd after the above conditions?
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showlyshah said:
Erwin your last post made me confused!
So what exactly do i need to do? Never choose install location to external in 'application management'( taking about cm7 #177 build, not any other rom)? Or can i do it?, as my need is to keep internal memory free, and to put all my bulky collection of apk's to sd-ext.
Another doubts are..
1. Can i use dta2sd in cm7 #177 build? Does it support it?
2. Why do i need to put app to sd-ext, when there is already an option in cm7 to install them on sd?
3. What are the benifits i get if i use ext4 insted of ext3? Does cm7 support it?
4. Is it the android secure folder in which app are installed in sd?(if i have no ext3)
5.and a last one, if i use dta2sd script in cm7#177,(does it work?) And partition my sd to ext-3+fat32+swap partition, then chose install location to internal, will all my apks will be installed on ext3 by default?or should i have 2 move them using a2sd app? And where will the apk stored if i move a system apk to sd after the above conditions?
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I'm sorry, I don't have enough time to answer all of your questions, but:
- I don't think it is possible to choose which apps you want to store on sd-ext, and which on internal memory
- I'm working on the CM7 nightly 176, which is the same as the 177. And it works for me.
- the build-in apps2sd can't move the hole app to your sd-card, but only a portion. It is then stored in the android.secure folder. Dta2sd moves the app completely to your sdcard, but you can't access it with a file explorer or something similar: it is an other partition. So you don't have to move your app to your sdcard: the dta2sd does all the magic for you!
For more information, go to the link where you've downloaded the script, you can find some very usefull information there!
Hopefully that helps
Erwin
Thankz for ur quick reply,i will check out the link
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cheers for the reply. Actually what you say is what I actually already have so that would mean that it did work (as I did flash the script again after my CM nightly). However the internal memory still shows only 53 mb left, but I guess that is normal then?
Can you go to a2sdgui and take a screenshot of your memory settings like this
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
53mb doesn't sound right to me, and dta2sd script shouldn't be using up all the space on your SD card, use root explorer to hunt down whichever file is taking up all the space on your card.
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hey,
the SD card is from another thing I think (made another thread about it, but still might be a nightly or this script problem)
screenshot in thumb (notice also my RAM is EXTREMELY low, I used to have 180 with my stable CM7, another problem I have to figure out I guess)
Something isn't setup right there for sure.
have you thought about reflashing and starting again or have you tried that already?
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hey,
the SD card is from another thing I think (made another thread about it, but still might be a nightly or this script problem)
screenshot in thumb (notice also my RAM is EXTREMELY low, I used to have 180 with my stable CM7, another problem I have to figure out I guess)
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Hello!
Just back from a very fine vacation, so sorry for the delay in answer. I checked my real internal memory using a2sdgui, and I have only 49mb free memory left. So it seems that the low "real" internal memory is normal.
I think it has to do with the moment you flash the script. Just untill that moment you stuff up your "real" internal memory, it is only after installing the script you can use the extra amount of storage. Dta2sd doesn't move apps to sd-ext that are already installed, so your "real" internal memory stays as it is. But when you install apps after flashing the script, they will be installed on your sd-ext. You can easelly check this by installing apps and checking a2sdgui after every installation.
Btw, this is just a hypotisis
Erwin
May be this will help you
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1267099
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ErwinP said:
Hello!
Just back from a very fine vacation, so sorry for the delay in answer. I checked my real internal memory using a2sdgui, and I have only 49mb free memory left. So it seems that the low "real" internal memory is normal.
I think it has to do with the moment you flash the script. Just untill that moment you stuff up your "real" internal memory, it is only after installing the script you can use the extra amount of storage. Dta2sd doesn't move apps to sd-ext that are already installed, so your "real" internal memory stays as it is. But when you install apps after flashing the script, they will be installed on your sd-ext. You can easelly check this by installing apps and checking a2sdgui after every installation.
Btw, this is just a hypotisis
Erwin
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So if apps already installed don't move to the ext partition, I wonder what happened in my case?
I did a fresh install of cm7 177 and deleted my partition first and just used the custom mtd partition instead of a2sd, a couple of days ago I backed up my SD, re-partitioned and reinstalled a2sd beta3, used terminal to send data to SD activate zipalign and up my dalvik heapsize. As you can see from my screenshot above I have way more than 50mb internal memory,alright a lot of that comes from the mtd partition, but what I'm trying to say is all my apps where installed weeks before I added a2sd and they moved to sd-ext when running the script.
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first of all thanks a lot everybody for the answers. Just got back from a long holiday so I can play around with my wildfire again And it works now.
So I deleted a2sdgui and installed S2E. I then checked to move applications to the ext partition and rebooted. So now everything is on the EXT partition. Then I went to the settings -> applications and went to the "on SD" tab. Some were still on SD, when unchecking those boxes (thus moving from SD to "internal memory"), I could see less memory used and more on the EXT partition, whilst no (or barely) any change in the data section, good !
However my data section used was still about 75%. However I've noticed that I have a dalvik cache of 74 MB which is the reason why... I deleted it hoping to reboot with a smaller dalvik cache but that did not work, so I moved the dalvik cache too using S2E. I had a LONG boot time, and for some reason all my google settings had to be set again and all google data synched again, but now my data used is only about 25% (from app data, which for some reason can't be moved with S2E for me).
So it was working good the whole time I think, I was just mislead by the huge amount of dalvik cache using up my data section.
One more question, is S2E a totally different thing than darktremor? Does it need the darktremor script installed to work? Or is it a standalone app, and can you just install the app without the script (thus if you would flash a new ROM, you would not have to reflash the script).
I hope the moving of the dalvik cache won't make my phone too much slower but I guess that's one thing I'll have to find out
Thanks again
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One more question, is S2E a totally different thing than darktremor? Does it need the darktremor script installed to work? Or is it a standalone app, and can you just install the app without the script (thus if you would flash a new ROM, you would not have to reflash the script).
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could anybody answer this question for sure? cheers
also, if I restore a nandroid backup, will my partition be gone or will everything be restored correctly over both partitions?
any way to resize it? i have deleted all unnecessary apps under /system/app and beed more space.
my system is sd AmericanAndroid
oops, post deleted - , sd android, didnt spot that
Isn't the system a *.img file? It's read-only...
Many ROM's like mine support data2sd which will free up a large amount of space.
can it be resized?
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What can be resized?
Use Data2SD for your rom. But check or ask before, not all roms support data2sd.
I ve a 2048 MB data2sd partition for my ICS tytung rom. It works great
Resize data2sd? I dont know.
With CWM: full backup, increase the partition, restore?
I just updated to a new build, but when I try installing apps, it says out of space even though I have over 600MB internal and 2GB external. I think I have to delete some system files but am not sure
Installing or recovering thm via Titanium?
Installing with the apk, right after the boot up.
Are the over 600MB internal the free or the total space?
That's the free
Try wiping cache and dalvik cache.
Keghan said:
I just updated to a new build, but when I try installing apps, it says out of space even though I have over 600MB internal and 2GB external. I think I have to delete some system files but am not sure
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When this happens to me, i just tell it again.. Usually works on 2nd, occasionally 3rd try.. Then its back to normal.
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@Keghan
the solutions could be:
unmount and remount the cache and data directory
fix permissions
wipe the cache and the dalvik-cache
clear the data of the playstore
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@Keghan
the solutions could be:
unmount and remount the cache and data directory
fix permissions
wipe the cache and the dalvik-cache
clear the data of the playstore
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Is it also true that you can remove the odex files for that particular app in /data? I remember seeing something about that in the recent posts for the Epsylon3 ICS Dev thread.
I scanned through the Dev forum and found out that by
Deleting the tombstone folder in Data and
deleting the odex of that file in data/app folder works