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Honest question here.
Is it me or is the general section a complete mess now.
All of the old dev threads were moved here a while ago, and it has way cluttered everything up. I just saw a post for the new MIUI. Got a little excited, but made sure I read carefully. Nope, for NS, not NS4G. I hope the wrong person doesn't download that because it is just floating out here in the General vs in the proper NS dev forum.
There are 10 pinned topics. Seems that maybe they could be consolidated to less. I personally find it to be an eyesore. And it seems to be taking up valuable space .
Again, these are my opinions. I was kinda just hoping to get a general consensus here.
Agreed completely. ROM threads need to be moved to the proper ROM sections, not kept as "info" threads in the general section. And the stickies need to be consolidated/cleaned.
jonnythan said:
Agreed completely. ROM threads need to be moved to the proper ROM sections, not kept as "info" threads in the general section. And the stickies need to be consolidated/cleaned.
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yeah make a section under development for "unsupported by OP" or smth. a lot more elegant than the current situation
brrip said:
yeah make a section under development for "unsupported by OP" or smth. a lot more elegant than the current situation
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I said this ages ago... It would work great and wouldn't be a disgusting mess that it is now.
Follow the leader @corythug
Just recently joined the ns community and yeah the general and dev section is a mess so confusing.
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Yes. I prefer to navigate this section on my phone so I don't have wade through so many stickys.
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Hey guys, I'm trying to sell my 1946 Victorian Rancher, 5 bedrooms and 5 baths, is there where I post?
unfortunately the mods here care more about clinging to some imagined ideals than creating a place that's helpful for users. these forums are the most whacked of any phone i've owned.
jonnythan said:
Agreed completely. ROM threads need to be moved to the proper ROM sections, not kept as "info" threads in the general section. And the stickies need to be consolidated/cleaned.
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This......
bdpyo said:
Hey guys, I'm trying to sell my 1946 Victorian Rancher, 5 bedrooms and 5 baths, is there where I post?
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Definitely doing it right
Stock roms should be in Dev section regardless....they are in other phone sections
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IMO all roms (including stock, that should be pinned) need to be in the Dev section. It is a mess to need to find the threads for MIUI, pete's bugless beast and other roms in the general section.
stock ROMs are in Dev section
actual XDA home brew ROMs for NS4G / i9020 are in their respective Dev section
only the INFO links to off sites ROMs are in General
Just an innocent question.
The three threads already here should be in the "Android Development" forum as they are about Android kernels.
This Forum seems redundant, or at very least lacking unique purpose.
I suggest that what's here be rolled into N7 Android Development, so that both readers and posters aren't confused about what belongs where. If not, the mods who created this forum ought to make clear -- in a sticky post -- the differentiation between what belongs in "Original Development" as opposed to "Android Development"
(.... unless someone knows something I don't, and there's a plan to port WebOS or Symbian to the N7 )
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/introducing-original-development-forums-for-more-devices/ - here is the announcement on the portal!!
The dev section will be full up with rom after rom after rom... Most roms will only have small differences between them... I think this is a good move from the mods... Although, it can get a bit confusing, and we now have to check another place...
Anyway, I suggest you try to get this moved to q+a, as it isn't "original development"...
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el56 said:
@Mods: Is this forum needed
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@OP: Is this thread needed?
I some what agree with the OP. Only because this is a nexus device. So wouldn't almost 95% of all development for a nexus device "original development"? I could see this for the Samsung Touchwiz or HTC Sense device threads, because alot of those roms are just .zip hack jobs.
I concur with OP on this forum... It is basically just another dev forum, except now instead of 1, I need to watch 2 forums. Not really a big deal, just more of an irritance. Seems like the same thing could be accomplished by a regularly updated Sticky topic in regular Development that tracked all notable software for the Nexus 7 without needing a superfluous forum.
Maybe the android dev thread could be in the Original android dev thread? Like on android central.
I kinda like how you can sorta find what your looking for... but it seems quite confusing also at least for a while .. watching two forums now .. ugh
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mattmanwrx said:
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/introducing-original-development-forums-for-more-devices/ - here is the announcement on the portal!!
The dev section will be full up with rom after rom after rom... Most roms will only have small differences between them...
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Well, that defines the first three threads in this forum, all about slightly-derivative kernels, yet are here because the devs think they're original. So I'm not the only one who hasn't read the split rationale.
What this particular split represents is a choice of two forums based on a totally subjective criteria -- whether it's "original enough". Will there be a litmus test -- like what percent of AOSP has to be replaced -- before something is considered "original"? And how does that split really help people find what they want in terms of features, maturity, etc.
I agree that splitting up a crowded dev forum is a good thing to do, but believe that doing it based on "level of originality" is a recipe for confusion and needless police-work for mods. Why not consider something more straightforward and easier to categorize? One possible alternative could be
ROMs
Kernels (and basebands where appropriate)
Root/booting
HOWTOS and requests for help (both from devs and users)
That would make it easier for devs, mods and users.
Yeah, I find this setup a bit confusing too, honestly.
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ROMs
Kernels (and basebands where appropriate)
Root/booting
HOWTOS and requests for help (both from devs and users)
That would make it easier for devs, mods and users.
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I'm lovin that idea. If were gonna have mountains of dev stuff, the more organized, the better.
Firstly, you don't start a thread in a Dev section to ask a question, ever.
Secondly, the decision to add 'Original Development' sections to devices that have or are expected to have very active development was taken by the forum Admins, not the Forum-Specific Moderators.
So you would be far better off posing the question to them, either in this section or even in this thread.
Beyond that, given how new the Nexus 7 is, it's extremely premature to conclude that the Original Development section will be a waste of space.
Step666 said:
Firstly, you don't start a thread in a Dev section to ask a question, ever.
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Sorry. No offense intended.
Step666 said:
Secondly, the decision to add 'Original Development' sections to devices that have or are expected to have very active development was taken by the forum Admins, not the Forum-Specific Moderators. So you would be far better off posing the question to them, either in this section or even in this thread.
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Done.
Whats the difference between the two development forums one says original and the other android? Can you only use stuff from one forum or the other. I've had other android devices but never seen anything like this on the forums.
I noticed this a week ago and was confused by it also, so I Google'd it and apparently it started with the Galaxy S 3. Essentially what I got out of it was that original development is for completely new ROMs from established developers and Android development is for ROMs based off of other ROMs done by both established and new developers. It's kind of a stupid and confusing classification if you ask me.
I saw a suggestion in then thread that I was reading and I thought it was a great idea: instead of splitting it like this make a few different sub-forums under the dev section for the likes of kernels, ROMs, mods, themes and other stuff. It would make it so much easier to find stuff.
I know the transparent notification bar was implemented on the Galaxy Nexus with AOKP and a few other ROMs. However it cased the Gnex to lag like crazy when it was set.
Curious if this option is available for the N7 and if it causes any lag, I figured the GPU and Processor are better than what is in the Gnex so possibly.
Also would like to see transparent navbar.
I just want an "Auto-hide" feature to reclaim precious screen real estate back from the ever-present Nav-bar...
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Hide it all with GO Launcher.
I understand why this was moved to Q&A, but I honestly think the Q&A section is ridiculous. Very few people go on a forum and say to themselves "let me go see if I can answer some questions for people".
If you look at the General forum (where I originally posted this) vs the Q&A forum you will notice
General Forum: 1,109 threads 47,575 posts = average of 42 responses per post
Q&A Forum: 2,511 threads 18,421 posts = average of 7 responses per post
If its not Development, Accessories or Theme/app then its likely a question or a poll...
JMO
Here's a response.
GatorsUF said:
I understand why this was moved to Q&A, but I honestly think the Q&A section is ridiculous. Very few people go on a forum and say to themselves "let me go see if I can answer some questions for people".
If you look at the General forum (where I originally posted this) vs the Q&A forum you will notice
General Forum: 1,109 threads 47,575 posts = average of 42 responses per post
Q&A Forum: 2,511 threads 18,421 posts = average of 7 responses per post
JMO
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It's attitudes like that that get questions deadzoned instead of answered. Hundreds of people are on here answering questions for noobs all day every day.
Also, if you look in General and take time to read threads, you'll see it's heavily padded with info about BUYING a Nexus 7 - where to, how was shipping, how long did shipping take, did you get a deal, as well as advice from users who found solutions to common problems. Also the stats you posted about the response count should indicate to you that the problems posted in Q&A get solved *very* swiftly and efficiently. Resolution does not take dozens of answers when you have the awesome community that you have got here.
Recap - if you're providing GENERAL information about the device it goes to GENERAL. If you are asking a question to which you expect an answer, it goes to Q&A. Very, very simple, effective and efficient.
On stock, with stock launcher, this option is not available.
As to your problem - Someone suggested goLauncher to set it autohide, While this is possible, and works with stock and unrooted, I recommend against it as GoLauncher and all of the fun little widgets that come along with it are relatively inefficient on resource usage and one of their primay widgets is a task killer which, as we all know, is no good. Apex launcher also has this options IIRC, altho Apex has some quirks that I did not like, such as not rotating to landscape very well - i found my layout on homescreens got ruined whenever I rotated.
Preferably, you can also root and flash a different ROM, many of which offer autohide navbar features, including some others you might find helpful. I recommend SGT7 4.1.1 ROM as it's fast and stable, comes with great options and makes the Nexus 7 operate well (I just posted benchmarks in that thread, from build 4. Will post Build 5 benchmarks later too!) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1788518
As I stated I fully understand the difference between the two, I just think the difference is so inconsequential that separating the forums limits the amount of help received. I frequent these forums daily and feel I keep up on most of what is happening, however questions like the one I posed do a few things:
1. They allow people that maybe developed this mod for themselves to share their work, knowing others are interested in the same feature.
2. They give developers and idea of how many people are interested in such a feature
3. It gives multiple people the opportunity to share their variations of what I am looking for (Apex/Go Launcher)
I am not arguing that my thread was moved, I just honestly find this thread to be a graveyard most of the time.
You stated you can find "advice from users who found solutions to problems", does this mean if I find a solution to my problem (transparent bars) I should make another thread in General just to post about it? Seems redundant again.
I love the community, and for the most part XDA does a great job. I just think making so many divisions in the forums causes a lot of redundant threads/questions.
P.S. what is the difference between "orignal development and android development"? <----honest question
Team,
The intention of this thread is to reduce the amount of noise in the development thread, which should be for technical discussion of the builds etc...
Mods, if this isn't appropriate, feel free to delete.
charlatan01 said:
Team,
The intention of this thread is to reduce the amount of noise in the development thread, which should be for technical discussion of the builds etc...
Mods, if this isn't appropriate, feel free to delete.
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So, what works. What doesn't? Glanced through the thread and heard people saying that camera is not working on the current build, and then with the latest build only working with non-stock camera app? [instagram?]
Also how is the battery life, performance compared to the stock..
For a start, it would be great, if you could include such FAQ's in your OP.