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Hey guys,
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So lets say hypothetically, the boot loader is cracked and we have custom Roms along with custom Kernels.
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What is the potential of this phone?
...More specifically, do you guys think the Atrix will be at the top of the mobile world for years to come and be able to match up against newer dual core phones such as the HTC Pyramid, EVO 3D or the new Samsung and LG phones?
Would it be a worthwhile investment?
I'm curious as to whether this phone, if unlocked, will be the standard phone to compete against. Will all other phones coming out still be playing catchup?
I understand the specs, and understand that phones evolve rather quickly.... just curious as to others opinions and their view of the potential the Atrix has.
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And lets hope the boot loader gets cracked soon
Tech moves so quick that by the time the HTC evo 3D and pyramid is released, there are going to be better phones then that.
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That's irrelevant. With your logic, we should never get any phone because there will always be better phones.
I'm asking how long this phone could be considered one of the best if its unlocked.
It has a great battery, and specs that no phone has matched, even phones that are soon to come out.
veshio said:
That's irrelevant. With your logic, we should never get any phone because there will always be better phones.
I'm asking how long this phone could be considered one of the best if its unlocked.
It has a great battery, and specs that no phone has matched, even phones that are soon to come out.
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it will be just like any other high end phone. old after 6-10 months.
neer2005 said:
Tech moves so quick that by the time the HTC evo 3D and pyramid is released, there are going to be better phones then that.
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I'm completely with you on that
veshio said:
That's irrelevant. With your logic, we should never get any phone because there will always be better phones.
I'm asking how long this phone could be considered one of the best if its unlocked.
It has a great battery, and specs that no phone has matched, even phones that are soon to come out.
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Stuff gets more advanced. Theres no stopping it, theres no way to jump ahead. And theres already stuff about the quad core cortex a9 saying it could come as soon as Q3.
I think the Atrix could be a decent on top phone until 2012 max. Then it's most likely to be murdered by another really awesome phone.
Like other have said tech advances so fast now. with in 10 months there will be something as good if not better along. For example check this out
http://www.thebesthandphone.com/new-quad-core-processors-from-qualcomm.html
some time next year we will most likely see quad core phones on the market.
Yea i understand that. I mean it relatively... as in if the phones is on top for a good couple of years, i consider that very good.
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Yea i understand that. I mean it relatively... as in if the phones is on top for a good couple of years, i consider that very good.
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well from what I know and I could be totally wrong. The next phone that will be on par spec wise with the atrix is the samsung galaxy s2. It will have 1gig ram also and run the same dual core the atrix has. Not sure the resolution of the screen. The camera is 8mp vs the atrix 5mp and the screen is 4.3 vs 4.0 inches. So I guess you can say the atrix will be king of the hill for another month or so. I'm not sure when the s2 comes out but I have heard it might be in april or may.
I think the Atrix is a good platform for "potential" simply because it has everything everyone else is working towards PLUS a big 1930 MAH battery. We can learn to tweak things down the road, but that is one big battery considering how slim the phone is.
Quad core? If you ask me that's unnecessary. A mobile OS doesn't need that much power, just slim it down. That's the problem with the Atrix, it has MotoBlur which handicaps it. What we really need are better batteries, more memory, and a better NETWORK. The Inspire runs just as quick as the Atrix with a single core and less RAM because Sense doesn't cripple it. I had an Inspire and Atrix side by side and I could hardly tell a difference.
And all this hype about what these processors can do for gaming, that's just senseless. We're talking about 4 inch screens and it's still a phone.
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Quad core? If you ask me that's unnecessary. A mobile OS doesn't need that much power, just slim it down. That's the problem with the Atrix, it has MotoBlur which handicaps it. What we really need are better batteries, more memory, and a better NETWORK. The Inspire runs just as quick as the Atrix with a single core and less RAM because Sense doesn't cripple it. I had an Inspire and Atrix side by side and I could hardly tell a difference.
And all this hype about what these processors can do for gaming, that's just senseless. We're talking about 4 inch screens and it's still a phone.
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Your forgeting one big factor. There is not a OS that supports dual core yet. Once one comes that that utilizes both cores you will see a huge difference. The way I see it cell phones are only about 5-6 years behind PC's. With the popularity of them its only going to get closer. Look at the atrix with some rooting you can use it as a pc once its plugged into a tv/monitor. You are going to see more and more things like this until their is no difference between the two. Who knows 5 years from now in stead of having a pc at home we will have our phones. Just plug it into a tv grab a key board and mouse and do everything we do now on them.
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Your forgeting one big factor. There is not a OS that supports dual core yet. Once one comes that that utilizes both cores you will see a huge difference. The way I see it cell phones are only about 5-6 years behind PC's. With the popularity of them its only going to get closer. Look at the atrix with some rooting you can use it as a pc once its plugged into a tv/monitor. You are going to see more and more things like this until their is no difference between the two. Who knows 5 years from now in stead of having a pc at home we will have our phones. Just plug it into a tv grab a key board and mouse and do everything we do now on them.
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Good point. I forgot GB is optimized for dual core phones. I just don't see those split second differences being a deal breaker for me. I would rather my data over the network move faster (without a tiered plan as well). I'm not much of a gamer either so I'm a little biased in that respect as well.
When it comes down to it, I just want a phone that works and I can use it heavily without worrying about charging the battery. Is that too much to ask? I'm also afraid that all of these fads like 3D is going to convolute what is really important in a phone.
The atrix has the best battery of any phone I've had so far. With a good amount of use. Net surfing texting emails I still get 18+ hours out of it with 20% still showing. I'm at 13 hours since I unplugged my charger and I'm still at 40%
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The atrix has the best battery of any phone I've had so far. With a good amount of use. Net surfing texting emails I still get 18+ hours out of it with 20% still showing. I'm at 13 hours since I unplugged my charger and I'm still at 40%
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I'd be careful of the update. I was getting similar battery life as you with 5-6 hours of display but now I struggle to get 24 hours with 2 hours of display (and I had to remove some apps like Beautiful Widgets and had to turn off my syncing).
My point on the battery life is no one (other than Apple) is trying to improve battery tech. I had the iPhone 4 before the Atrix and I was easily getting 40-50 hours of use and it only had a 1420mAh battery
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well from what I know and I could be totally wrong. The next phone that will be on par spec wise with the atrix is the samsung galaxy s2. It will have 1gig ram also and run the same dual core the atrix has. Not sure the resolution of the screen. The camera is 8mp vs the atrix 5mp and the screen is 4.3 vs 4.0 inches. So I guess you can say the atrix will be king of the hill for another month or so. I'm not sure when the s2 comes out but I have heard it might be in april or may.
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i gotta disagree, i seriously doubt the samsung galaxy S2 will even be able to compete with the Atrix, for one, it's Super thin so i doubt that battery will even come close to the Atrix(correct me it i'm wrong), another reason which a lot of people don't like.........Samsung. Now i've never owned a samsung phone, but i've read a lot of reviews of Samsung galaxy S owners, and 95% of them weren't good at all, i also have a few friends that own Samsung galaxy S phones and none of them kept them over a month. So as far as the Atrix being old news, i really doubt it anytime this year and may still have some hype 1st quarter of 2012(look at the Evo, so it's definitly possible)
Its the software that can make a device great (40% hardware- 60% software). What good the specs are if the os can't utilize its full potential. One big example is motorola xoom and atrix. Im a bit sad that the mobile phone market is becomming more of a specs/hardware race. And the software is getting left behind. This has been a problem of android. Hope google and its hardware partners(samsung, htc, lg) would put great money into developing better updates for android so it can utilize the whole potential of the hardware rather than continously releasing new phones with premature softwares.
And yeah they should improve battery technoogy too...
G1-8701 said:
i gotta disagree, i seriously doubt the samsung galaxy S2 will even be able to compete with the Atrix, for one, it's Super thin so i doubt that battery will even come close to the Atrix(correct me it i'm wrong), another reason which a lot of people don't like.........Samsung. Now i've never owned a samsung phone, but i've read a lot of reviews of Samsung galaxy S owners, and 95% of them weren't good at all, i also have a few friends that own Samsung galaxy S phones and none of them kept them over a month. So as far as the Atrix being old news, i really doubt it anytime this year and may still have some hype 1st quarter of 2012(look at the Evo, so it's definitly possible)
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This.
and some, like me, think the 4" screen is the perfect size while the 4.3" screen is too big. However, with all future phones, it just comes down to personal preference.
aszrael1266 said:
Your forgeting one big factor. There is not a OS that supports dual core yet. Once one comes that that utilizes both cores you will see a huge difference. The way I see it cell phones are only about 5-6 years behind PC's. With the popularity of them its only going to get closer. Look at the atrix with some rooting you can use it as a pc once its plugged into a tv/monitor. You are going to see more and more things like this until their is no difference between the two. Who knows 5 years from now in stead of having a pc at home we will have our phones. Just plug it into a tv grab a key board and mouse and do everything we do now on them.
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live4nyy said:
Good point. I forgot GB is optimized for dual core phones. I just don't see those split second differences being a deal breaker for me. I would rather my data over the network move faster (without a tiered plan as well). I'm not much of a gamer either so I'm a little biased in that respect as well.
When it comes down to it, I just want a phone that works and I can use it heavily without worrying about charging the battery. Is that too much to ask? I'm also afraid that all of these fads like 3D is going to convolute what is really important in a phone.
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Wrong, wrong and wrong. Where do you get your information? The build of Froyo running on the Atrix has dual core support.
I see no faster on Atrix running Froyo at the moment. The speed is on par with SS GS and NS. But i rely on Motorola because i have had a few SS phones and all of them had hardware/build issues.
I think the phone will be relevant (to us anyway) for around 3 years, same as with last generations top tier phones.
What I think a lot of people here are confusing is, for the most part, relevance aslnd aactual pole position.
You have to talked into consideration how much better tthe next generation phone is, and whether or not that makes the previous generation actually obsolete or just dated.
For instance, I have the Nexus 1 right now and iI got it after I got the Captivate and Atrix. Yes the Atrix is a better phone on paper but it isn't THAT much better to make me want to get rid of my current phone.
I think, logically, that it will be the 2nd generation up that makes the former irrelevant (at this point). The Atrix and dual core phones announced aalready make the first first Gen smartphones (iPhone 1, HTC hero) extremely dated but the latter half (nexus 1, galaxy s, etc) are still relevant ttoday.
Of course you also have to factor in the applications that are being used and the network the phones are on. Right now, this instant, dual core phones aren't needed because of the speed of the network, light usage for CPU for browsing, and widespread video codecs.
Next year that might change.
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Honorable Members,
I want to part away with this phone, a friend is after me day and night but need to know when the next flagship coming for me to change.It can be HTC or any other brand Android phone.However, i need something that is truly pace setter.
Well, the Samsung Galaxy S2 is out already, and that is your best bet if you want something now, otherwise, you are really waiting for the HTC Sensation, but that will be substantially more expensive. Remember though, the experience is the most important thing, so if you want Sense, keep your phone for a while.
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Wait for the HTC Sensation or Evo 3D the GSM version when available
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I'd go with the Samsung Galaxy S2, its a beast of a phone!
Sensation is basically the DHD with upgraded specs - it looks truly exceptional. 1080p video, a screen that does better colours and uses less power and updated sense. I think that'll be the new desire in terms of popularity for the next 12-24 months.
Tamen said:
Sensation is basically the DHD with upgraded specs - it looks truly exceptional. 1080p video, a screen that does better colours and uses less power and updated sense. I think that'll be the new desire in terms of popularity for the next 12-24 months.
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This.
Do be careful though, will you actually use the extra features? Nobody needs such a phone, so to speak. It will be a smaller upgrade than you think.
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lambomanx1 said:
This.
Do be careful though, will you actually use the extra features? Nobody needs such a phone, so to speak. It will be a smaller upgrade than you think.
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I totally agree. Although I'm a total geek when it comes to phones as I always want the latest and greatest, I know for a fact I'm hardly going to utalize its potential. Hell, all I ever use my Desire HD for is browsing, listening to music, making phonecalls, sending texts and playing some simple games. All an upgrade can do for me at this point is offer better battery life really.
Your usage is no less than anyone else's, it's just that people get massively drawn into the spec war.
When was the last time that anyone really recorded anything 1080p on their phone, aside from it just being there to do? And who exactly is going to completely utilise a dual core processor right now? No multi-threaded apps, and Android's memory management kills off anything that is not in use...so no need for two cores. We are currently in a place where the hardware is outpacing the software by quite a way. Focus needs to be placed on improving the software in the mobile world; this is painfully clear from the rather poor performance of Sense ROMs, for example.
Not saying that the tech is bad, but right now we really don't need it. Hence why I'm waiting a couple of years before I move to a dual core phone - my DHD is enough for anybody in terms of power.
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question, with all these dual core phones coming out, for example the lg optimus 2x is rated at 1GHz, So is it like 2 500MHz cores or 2 1GHz cores, I'm guessing the former ?
It's actually 2x 1ghz.
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Agree on software and battery improvement..if this two no improvement, i will stick to my DHD XD..
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That's true. My only
lambomanx1 said:
Your usage is no less than anyone else's, it's just that people get massively drawn into the spec war.
When was the last time that anyone really recorded anything 1080p on their phone, aside from it just being there to do? And who exactly is going to completely utilise a dual core processor right now? No multi-threaded apps, and Android's memory management kills off anything that is not in use...so no need for two cores. We are currently in a place where the hardware is outpacing the software by quite a way. Focus needs to be placed on improving the software in the mobile world; this is painfully clear from the rather poor performance of Sense ROMs, for example.
Not saying that the tech is bad, but right now we really don't need it. Hence why I'm waiting a couple of years before I move to a dual core phone - my DHD is enough for anybody in terms of power.
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That's true. My only Need is an Android phone that beats my iPhone 4 in terms of looks. In as much I agree that my DHD is a better phone but i will be honest to you that I need a very very beautiful looking phone that can do the job easily.
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question, with all these dual core phones coming out, for example the lg optimus 2x is rated at 1GHz, So is it like 2 500MHz cores or 2 1GHz cores, I'm guessing the former ?
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Note that it doesn't mean that you will have double performance or anything like that. Apps and the OS need to be multithreaded; written to support and use two cores. It will be a long while before this happens, so the by the time Android 3.0 comes, the second core will be used for background tasks to assist multitasking. The issue with that is that memory management in Android means that there won't be many background tasks to actually manage, as they get killed off. And...it's a phone, so you don't really do any multitasking requires a whole core for background processes. So...a bit pointless right now. It'll see its uses in the future for performance, however.
To the post above; if looks are inportant to you, do take a look around before buying, as the newer phones definitely aren't as clean design-wise. The Galaxy S could look great...it's shame about the bloody plastics.
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lambomanx1 said:
Note that it doesn't mean that you will have double performance or anything like that. Apps and the OS need to be multithreaded; written to support and use two cores. It will be a long while before this happens, so the by the time Android 3.0 comes, the second core will be used for background tasks to assist multitasking. The issue with that is that memory management in Android means that there won't be many background tasks to actually manage, as they get killed off. And...it's a phone, so you don't really do any multitasking requires a whole core for background processes. So...a bit pointless right now. It'll see its uses in the future for performance, however.
To the post above; if looks are inportant to you, do take a look around before buying, as the newer phones definitely aren't as clean design-wise. The Galaxy S could look great...it's shame about the bloody plastics.
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Same thing goes to LGO2X..bloody plastics. I heat it!!
I'll keep my dhd for now!
I'll c what the future brings, but for a few new things i wont make the step...
On mayor software enhancement i maybe will reconsider.
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Note that it doesn't mean that you will have double performance or anything like that. Apps and the OS need to be multithreaded; written to support and use two cores
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I know, I was just wondering how they were naming them, for instance I used to have a processor that was advertised as 4.8GHz where in fact it was actually 2 x 2.4GHz cores, That imo is how they should be named, So the LG would be advertised as 2GHz
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Same thing goes to LGO2X..bloody plastics. I heat it!!
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It's a real shame, because all these phones have great hardware yet they don't have that premium feel...it unfortunately is the only reason I would buy HTC phones.
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I know, I was just wondering how they were naming them, for instance I used to have a processor that was advertised as 4.8GHz where in fact it was actually 2 x 2.4GHz cores, That imo is how they should be named, So the LG would be advertised as 2GHz
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Definitely not. That is misleading, because doubling single cores doesn't equate to double performance, as you understand. In fact, in most cases it doesn't improve performance at all.
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Still about looks, any phone coming that is real metal and not plastics with big engine?
Alkali said:
Still about looks, any phone coming that is real metal and not plastics with big engine?
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The Sensation is really your only bet to be honest. HTC are the only company that is really pushing the aluminium construction right now.
Basically, I want to know who's to blame for Android's (almost always) poor battery life. It has been several years since android has been out, and it wasn't until a few months ago that phones started having "good" battery life, namely with the Moto Atrix 4G, and the LG Optimus 2X / G2X. and Samsung Galaxy S II
Is the Android OS to blame. Was there something that was going on before 2.2 that was causing this?
My friend's iPhone 4 has a 1420 mAh battery, and it can last nearly two days with medium use, all while receiving push notifications, etc etc..
In comparison, I have to undervolt & underclock my Evo 4G just so it will get through one work day on the 1500mah battery
And it's not just the iPhone. I know people with large-screened Symbian devices that also have great battery life. Even my roommate's HD7 gets much better battery life with similar usage.
I know that usage is a big factor, and the "good" battery life is subjective, but before people drop in and start raving about how android is more "connected", and stuff is always syncing, blah blah blah. I want you to drop your biases, and accept the truth; android battery life has been terrible.
So who's to blame? Google?
bjb_nyj101 said:
Basically, I want to know who's to blame for Android's (almost always) poor battery life. It has been several years since android has been out, and it wasn't until a few months ago that phones started having "good" battery life, namely with the Moto Atrix 4G, and the LG Optimus 2X / G2X. and Samsung Galaxy S II
Is the Android OS to blame. Was there something that was going on before 2.2 that was causing this?
My friend's iPhone 4 has a 1420 mAh battery, and it can last nearly two days with medium use, all while receiving push notifications, etc etc..
In comparison, I have to undervolt & underclock my Evo 4G just so it will get through one work day on the 1500mah battery
And it's not just the iPhone. I know people with large-screened Symbian devices that also have great battery life. Even my roommate's HD7 gets much better battery life with similar usage.
I know that usage is a big factor, and the "good" battery life is subjective, but before people drop in and start raving about how android is more "connected", and stuff is always syncing, blah blah blah. I want you to drop your biases, and accept the truth; android battery life has been terrible.
So who's to blame? Google?
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Your Mom! FTW!
Just kidding, its a flaw in the design of android. Android is so open and customizable. Try doing all the things you can do on android on a different platform like WP7. One of the flaws though is that the android system will use more battery. If you want a simple phone that has a great selection of apps and no customization, then iPhone is for you.
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Your Mom! FTW!
Just kidding, its a flaw in the design of android. Android is so open and customizable. Try doing all the things you can do on android on a different platform like WP7. One of the flaws though is that the android system will use more battery. If you want a simple phone that has a great selection of apps and no customization, then iPhone is for you.
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Your assuming that everyone that uses an android phone is doing some crazy customization and running emulators 24/7, etc.
You can go to google and search, and see what I'm talking about. Thousands of people who use their phones moderately, just using basic smartphone features (web browsing, phone calls, texting) and their battery is almost dead by the time they get off work / home from school. This generally doesn't happen on WP7, and almost never on iOS (even with push notifications & "multitasking")
I don't have a problem with trying to fix this issue.
It IS one of the top 3 problems with Android.
However, I don't understand the point of trying to find out "who's to blame."
I mean obviously Google is at least partly to blame as it is their OS.
But what's the point?
I'd rather try to solve the issue.
This is Katrina all over again. "Who's to blame" was a bigger concern than trying to help the people in trouble.
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Your assuming that everyone that uses an android phone is doing some crazy customization and running emulators 24/7, etc.
You can go to google and search, and see what I'm talking about. Thousands of people who use their phones moderately, just using basic smartphone features (web browsing, phone calls, texting) and their battery is almost dead by the time they get off work / home from school. This generally doesn't happen on WP7, and almost never on iOS (even with push notifications & "multitasking")
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I dont think he meant 'customizable' as 'end user' but as 'manufacturer'. So many versions of the same OS across so many devices... I guess in the iphone the hardware and software complement each other perfectly since the OS will always run on the same HW. On android... well you can tweak many things but I'm pretty sure there will be a point where that balance breaks when either youhave to slow down to achieve better battery life or have piss poor battery life in exchange for a better overall performance. Remember that iphones hw is unique to the OS.
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I mean obviously Google is at least partly to blame as it is their OS.
But what's the point?
I'd rather try to solve the issue.
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You'd "rather try to solve the problem"? Oh, I didn't know you worked for Google
There's nothing us end users can do besides complain. I already have to undervolt and underclock my phone, just so it will last more than 15 hours. I think it's unacceptable. I can't "solve" this problem, I can only do what I can to minimize it.
Not that anyone cares, but unless a powerful android phone is on Sprint by the time I upgrade, I will be switching to the iPhone (if it comes to sprint) or WP7.
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You'd "rather try to solve the problem"? Oh, I didn't know you worked for Google
There's nothing us end users can do besides complain. I already have to undervolt and underclock my phone, just so it will last more than 15 hours. I think it's unacceptable. I can't "solve" this problem, I can only do what I can to minimize it.
Not that anyone cares, but unless a powerful android phone is on Sprint by the time I upgrade, I will be switching to the iPhone (if it comes to sprint) or WP7.
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Couple of things:
Firstly, if we've learned anything lately with the HTC fiasco it's that end users can make a difference.
Certainly devs can.
If the issue is truly in the coding than there's no reason a highly skilled dev team cannot remedy the issue.
As far as "unless a powerful android phone is on Sprint by the time I upgrade"....
Evo 3D, Samsung Within [Galaxy 2], Motorola Photon [Sprint's Atrix], and a rumored iPhone 5....
Yeah, I think you'll be covered.
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Couple of things:
Firstly, if we've learned anything lately with the HTC fiasco it's that end users can make a difference.
Certainly devs can.
If the issue is truly in the coding than there's no reason a highly skilled dev team cannot remedy the issue.
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Right, which is why I said that all we can do is complain.
mattykinsx said:
Couple of things:
As far as "unless a powerful android phone is on Sprint by the time I upgrade"....
Evo 3D, Samsung Within [Galaxy 2], Motorola Photon [Sprint's Atrix], and a rumored iPhone 5....
Yeah, I think you'll be covered.
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I meant to say a powerful android phone with good battery life
I've been down the apple road before, and while it is more restrictive, it was generally a more pleasurable experience. The Galaxy S II is what I'm eyeing as of right now
bjb_nyj101 said:
Right, which is why I said that all we can do is complain.
I meant to say a powerful android phone with good battery life
I've been down the apple road before, and while it is more restrictive, it was generally a more pleasurable experience. The Galaxy S II is what I'm eyeing as of right now
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The battery life is only going to improve with the new models.
Especially in comparison to the Evo.
These dual cores are almost half the size and much more efficient at what they do.
I once had a 3G iPhone and that battery was just terrible. I might have gone through 5-6hrs before it was dead. - Not all iOS were good on battery.
The iPhone 4 is a lot better in battery conservation and the other poster was right in saying that the advantage with Apple is that they only manufacturer the iPhone and the iOS is ONLY for their own product. Therefore, they have higher rate of perfecting the compatibility of the hardware/software to get the best results.
What android has been is a open source OS which manufacturers use as a base to make their product then the carriers add-on their customized version of android afterwards. The carriers care more about profit a lot of the time so add-on interface and bloatware have always plagued the android OS that finally makes it to the consumer.
Therefore, you're looking at the idea that battery optimization is not the best as a result. I'm not discrediting your claim because it's completely valid.
The focus nowadays should be toward a idea of "How do we make a better power source or battery for mobile platforms" instead of how we do improve an OS to work on technology that has a very meek outlook in the future?"
This thread almost sounds like you're subconsciously suggesting that Google sucks because you're saying "who's to blame". I'm sure that's not your intention which should be to ask for "insight" rather but a lot of people do read at face value so you're best to re-consider in re-titling your thread or make a conscious decision about it in the future.
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You'd "rather try to solve the problem"? Oh, I didn't know you worked for Google
There's nothing us end users can do besides complain. I already have to undervolt and underclock my phone, just so it will last more than 15 hours. I think it's unacceptable. I can't "solve" this problem, I can only do what I can to minimize it.
Not that anyone cares, but unless a powerful android phone is on Sprint by the time I upgrade, I will be switching to the iPhone (if it comes to sprint) or WP7.
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Sounds like your intention to build a topic of "opinion" is less a contribution to the chat forum than something worth talking about.
If you're going to iOS then be prepared to invest in appstore/apple only apps which you might pay for and end up never using again if you move away from apple.
Also be prepared to learn how to use only the home button as your go to function button and see that other menu options are either in a app or just not available through certain applications because you do not have shortcut function buttons built into the hardware interface of your phone.
Each has it's pro's and con's. My user experience has been that Android is just so flexible in so many ways. If I do buy an app, you can bet that even if no longer have a HTC and I go get another Android phone then I can still download those apps that I paid for and still use them.
You're always stuck with the same boring interface with an iOS but you have a decent battery life.
You're able to change the interface on Android to how you prefer so you can have a widget that actually shows you weather, agendas, reminders, players, et cetera but those additional and real multi-tasking applications do contribute to lesser battery performance.
It's also convenient to be able to replace my own battery when I need to instead of paying a premium cost to have someone replace it if I don't bother to do it myself on an iPhone.
Lastly, I'm not stuck with limited data options and higher monthly cost as well as limited carrier options if I get an Apple.
WP7 looked more promising in terms of usability simply due to having some more function buttons. As for the developing market, it's very hard to say how much actual support you'll see in that forum.
I may be wrong with my assumption but who's to blame?
..I like TURTLES!!!
I was under the impression that the last update for the EVO introduced a bug that causes the battery to drain faster than normal? At least I thought I read that somewhere and that htc/sprint was working on a patch which was going to be included in the next update.
I have noticed that sometimes when I take my phone of the charger the battery drops to 80% within an hour or two and when it does this the phone will barely last 12 hours. Other times the phone stays at close to 100% for hours, in which case it will last over 24 hours.
1. Linux kernel: compare the batterylife of Windows, OSX, and Linux on the same laptop and you'll notice that Linux does the worse and usually by a lot.
2. Data polling: iOS apps pretty much all use push notifications for updates. The majority of Android apps still use data polling at set frequencies.
BTW: The 2X gets about the same life as the EVO, maybe a half hour more. The Atrix has a super huge stock battery and gets great life but still not as much as a iPhone 4. Don't know about the GS2.
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Also remember, while it is up to the OS to handle power and and what not look at the hardware too. The Evo has a big 4.3" LCD display, that alone takes up battery. Then look at 4g, then sensors, then speaker, then bluetooth, then look at the tiny battery. Software needs to improve, but hardware does too. Yeah, you can shrink the dye from 65nm to 45nm to 32nm to 22nm etc etc, but that's only going to do so much when other sensors still use the same amount of power, and battery technology isn't progressing as fast.
Who's to blame? The end user! Let you android idal all day and it'll last 2! As already stated, android is built not to last all day. It's running like a v8 right now. In A few years it might get to the point of running like a Nissan leaf. One day maybe a prius....maybe.
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Who's to blame? The end user! Let you android idal all day and it'll last 2! As already stated, android is built not to last all day. It's running like a v8 right now. In A few years it might get to the point of running like a Nissan leaf. One day maybe a prius....maybe.
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But then what's the point of having a smart phone if you're just gonna let it sit idle?
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But then what's the point of having a smart phone if you're just gonna let it sit idle?
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Exactly same point as getting a full feature phone and starting threads of why does my battery suck?
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I know my battery sucks in my Evo, but I'm always around a charger and the battery life didn't bother me.
I will agree that battery life is meh. However, it can be managed. The option to change the battery is huge. And if you know you are going to be in a poor service area or away from a charger, airplane mode on or mobile internet off. And has anyone read up on the iPhone 4 battery life on a CDMA network? GSM phones use less battery than CDMA ones. I am not familiar with whether or not the GSM iPhone switches to a 2G network when idle or whatever. Because that alone would save tons of battery that us CDMA users will never know. Meaning if we switch to 1x or 2G, it uses more power than 3G. So I just feel that it isn't fair to compare the iPhone or Attrix on a GSM network to CDMA Phones. I have more to say but I am nodding off to sleep. I'll save for later.
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I forget where I read it, but it's been documented here before.
But the major consumer on these phones is the screen. When the iphone has what a 3.5 inch, and we are rocking a 4.3 inch screen, we are at a huge disadvantage.
Make sure Latitude isn't running or signed in (and by extension, Google Maps). That alone nearly doubled my phone's battery life once I figured that out.
Here is a comparison that my friend wrote comparing the two devices. Both devices will be coming to US carriers and we will need to make a decision between which device to buy. Check out the review and then let me know which one you think your going to purchase.
Review: http://brobuffet.com/2012/09/14/apple-iphone-5-vs-samsung-galaxy-note-2/
how do you compare two vastly different phones for vastly different customer population? also honestly, why is everyone comparing to the iPhone still? while they may sell the most due to people either being invested in ios or for cult like reasons, i really don't see them as the standard anymore. comparison is great for specs but i'm just tired of everyone regarding the iPhone as the standard.
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...i really don't see them as the standard anymore.
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Exactly.
FWIW I will be getting the note2 to replace my OG Droid. I want to combine my android phone and android tab into one and carry less devices.
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Its like comparing a jacket vs. A tank-top
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Its like comparing a jacket vs. A tank-top
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But that answer depend on who is wearing what, and from a viewer point of view rather than user point of view. Well at least that is not my brain is talking.
Ok, first off. Comparing two phones that aren't out/ didn't personally use them for a while is not fair. A6 is probably dual core A15's, the iPad 3 doesn't have the same processor but it still is the fastest(check benchmarks/game FPS). In 3D performance, iPhone 5 would probably win. Operating system is biased and that's the end of it. You can only state the features but which one is better is your opinion. I think iOS works very well, but that's about it. It gets boring quickly even though it's doing its job of working as expected. Android is way more functional and with ICS and later, apps aren't ugly and have a style now.
Okay, seriously? Siri is a better assistant than Google Now? Siri has more sports knowledge? That is incredibly wrong.
Number 1, Siri gets all its info from Google. Number 2, Google Now updates you prior, during, and after the game has been played.
This review was not completed with the best support, not to mention the iPhone hasn't been released to effectively compare speeds, camera, etc. Although, I have no doubt the GNII will destroy the iPhone 5.
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Here is a comparison that my friend wrote comparing the two devices. Both devices will be coming to US carriers and we will need to make a decision between which device to buy. Check out the review and then let me know which one you think your going to purchase.
Review: http://brobuffet.com/2012/09/14/apple-iphone-5-vs-samsung-galaxy-note-2/
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I appreciate your friend for writing this comparison and you for sharing it with us, but so many mistakes in his comparisons. The iphone 5 and the iPad 3 do not share the same processor, the iPad has an A5x chip ( arm cortex A9)while the new iphone has an A6 chip( arm cortex A15 which is a beast). The iphone camera is known to be one of the best around, I won't jump to conclusion on which is better until we see what the note 2 can do. Siri is light years better than S voice, but Google now is better than siri. I'm definitely not defending the iphone but since this is an honest thread we have to state the facts. Its hard to judge the exterior of each phone cause to each his own, and as far as battery life goes, I expect the note 2 to map the floor out with any phone on the market, including the iphone 5. The note 2 comes with a 1.6 GHz Exynos 4 quad processor ( quad core) which is a beast also. Both phones have powerful processors that will make them fly. I prefer the note 2 cause of the s pen and its new features, the 5.5 inch screen, the OS, the ability customise it however you want it. But the iphone 5 is no slouch, its a very good phone but it doesn't deserve all the hype its getting. Deuces
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I appreciate your friend for writing this comparison and you for sharing it with us, but so many mistakes in his comparisons. The iphone 5 and the iPad 3 do not share the same processor, the iPad has an A5x chip ( arm cortex A9)while the new iphone has an A6 chip( arm cortex A15 which is a beast). The iphone camera is known to be one of the best around, I won't jump to conclusion on which is better until we see what the note 2 can do. Siri is light years better than S voice, but Google now is better than siri. I'm definitely not defending the iphone but since this is an honest thread we have to state the facts. Its hard to judge the exterior of each phone cause to each his own, and as far as battery life goes, I expect the note 2 to map the floor out with any phone on the market, including the iphone 5. The note 2 comes with a 1.6 GHz Exynos 4 quad processor ( quad core) which is a beast also. Both phones have powerful processors that will make them fly. I prefer the note 2 cause of the s pen and its new features, the 5.5 inch screen, the OS, the ability customise it however you want it. But the iphone 5 is no slouch, its a very good phone but it doesn't deserve all the hype its getting. Deuces
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You make some excellent points my man. I still believe that Androids vs iPhones continues to be based on what the user is looking for. I think the gap in that argument is changing but it still exists.
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You make some excellent points my man. I still believe that Androids vs iPhones continues to be based on what the user is looking for. I think the gap in that argument is changing but it still exists.
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It all comes down to what you looking for, at the end of the day. Its is clear that I phones cater more to the masses, people that want a good phone that just works, versus android that caters to the more tech oriented people who like customisation and modding. I have a friend who used to be a crazy ROM flasher, he actually got me into android. Now he doesn't really flash ROM or anything, he just wants something that is stable and works well and he is actually considering getting an iphone ( he used to hate I phones). All the android vs apple iphone is based on that, whether you want something great that just work and you don't have to worry about a thing, or you want something else that is also great, works but can be perfected to your liking.
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It all comes down to what you looking for, at the end of the day. Its is clear that I phones cater more to the masses, people that want a good phone that just works, versus android that caters to the more tech oriented people who like customisation and modding. I have a friend who used to be a crazy ROM flasher, he actually got me into android. Now he doesn't really flash ROM or anything, he just wants something that is stable and works well and he is actually considering getting an iphone ( he used to hate I phones). All the android vs apple iphone is based on that, whether you want something great that just work and you don't have to worry about a thing, or you want something else that is also great, works but can be perfected to your liking.
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something catered to the masses wouldn't cost an arm and a leg. Android is catered to the mass with different levels of price range. Android stock is just as easy to use.
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Finally a thread where people aren't just bashing one thing or the other. Honestly just like everyone here, I think these phones are in a different class, and really can't be compared. People who go for the iPhone 5 have a lot to look forward to, the phone is still fast, has a nice screen, and can finally use LTE which is great. What I don't get is that many people still can't really appreciate it, it is a beast of a phone in such a small package, I mean no offense to the note 2 but that thing is huge and has a lot more space for a bigger or better chip, more ram, bigger battery, a lot of things but the iPhone 5 can still hold it's own and still be really small. Now I will be getting the note 2 because I can't wait for that thing, it's like everything samsung could ever do into one package, it might be the first in the US with a quad core and LTE and a 5.5 screen, and the screen is unique on it's own, hd super amoled, with it being sort of in between a pentile and a amoled plus screen. Really spec wise it is a tech geeks wet dream, and I don't care if I look dumb making calls, I barely do that anyways, currently have the og epic touch and the devs here have kept this phone alive, I can even run jb on this. With the hype around the note 2 I hope it gets a lot of dev support because that thing was made for paranoid android and I can't wait to start flashing.
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People who go for the iPhone 5 have a lot to look forward to, the phone is still fast, has a nice screen, and can finally use LTE which is great.
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That or until Samsung decided to do what it said and sue Apple. And if thing goes Sammy way, the there might be injunction b4 iPhone 5 ship. Who know?
Please provide link to where it has been confirmed that the iphone has A15.
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Please provide link to where it has been confirmed that the iphone has A15.
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Google is your friend.
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I think Samsung should sue apple for stealing its ideaof extending battery life.
In my honest opinion, there is absolutely no reason to own an iPhone 5 as it basically reinforces my belief that Apple suckers people in to $200 software upgrades. Samsung ( and others ) time and time again comes out with the stronger hardware. A lot of people say it comes down to personal preference, but I fail to see how people could prefer the iPhone. Out of date hardware, smaller screen, limited OS and customization abilities, having to be hooked to iTunes, etc.
I so wanted to try the iPhone 5 instead of my GSIII, but after the lackluster press release and underwhelming specs... I was left sorely disappointed. I'll be saving my upgrade for now.
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Yea, I can't believe people think they are innovators. During their keynote they were explaining how apps designed for the 3.5" screen will work on the 4" screen. Luckily their outstanding engineers and advanced technology, they can center the app on the screen and put a black bar on the top and bottom of the app. WOW. Everyone give Apple a hand clap for their innovation in the field. Android on the other hand, sets their apps to determine the density and automatically sizes it to your screen....woo....black bars would look way better though *sarcasm*
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Its basically a slightly stretched 4s, makes me yawn to even contemplate it, how can you compare such a little toy to a NOTE version 1 or 2, even though they are so proud and numbly excited about the ohh arrr slightly bigger screen, its still too small, it looks exactly the same just a load of apps dotted about on a screen inside a square edged lump, these simple phones have there place with the mums and babies groups with there designer gold handbags and tasselled lifestyles.
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You can't compare the iPhone 5 with the Note 2. Complete different devices.
What are some ways you can compare a nexus to iPhone in real life?
Which aspects of the N4 do you think are better than the iPhone?
My friends are deluded and seem to be going by just looks, how do I show them the N4 is more than what they think it is?
Show them this maybe.
http://gizmodo.com/5973073/an-iphone-lovers-confession-i-switched-to-the-nexus-4-completely
Then again anyone who has used both a lot will say that they are somewhat close to each other. They're both incredible phones and to be honest, anyone who says the iPhone is a lot better is just biased , and vice versa with people claiming the nexus 4 is a lot better. Both phones are somewhat close and it ends up falling on personal preference.
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Just by looks? The N4 wins that by far imo.
Anyways I've always wondered but couldn't find any solid information, what is the screen on time of an iPhone 5? If anyone knows..
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Just by looks? The N4 wins that by far imo.
Anyways I've always wondered but couldn't find any solid information, what is the screen on time of an iPhone 5? If anyone knows..
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In all the tests I've seen (yet), the iPhone always beats other smartphones in terms of battery life. The difference isn't night and day, but the iPhone probably lasts around 1/4 or 1/3 longer than most smartphones.
With the Nexus 4 looking freaking incredible, looks isn't an argument anymore. The iPhone also has a very nice design, but what I hate is that they don't really change it. I have the same criticism towars Google by the way. It's a shame that the Galaxy Nexus and the Nexus 4 look so similar at the front. But that's only one time, and the back IS different (and nicer), so at least I have a feeling it has changed. Apple changes too, but not as much as other companies.
Where the Nexus 4 really shines though is the OS. It's just a fact that you can do a whole of a lot more with Android. A whole lot more. Advantage of iOS is that it's fast(er) and intuitive. However, this gapp is gradually being closed as the Nexus 4 has virtually no lag at all, at least not really more than the iPhone. Some OS features do still lag though, even though the hardware is good enough to take care of them, which kind of sucks. As for intuitifity (is that a word?), in my opinion Android is not really any worse, and some would argue it's better. Things like having all your downloaded apps integrated (as stated in the gizmodo article above) is just better.
If you are going to tweak around with custom ROMs I wouldn't even doubt a second. The N4 has the price going for it (really, how can one not see that? The iPhone is twice as expensive, and it's certainly not twice as good), it has Android (which means tweaking, if you're into that), and now that the hardware is fast and Android became mature, it's also fast and intuitive without having to tweak around.
Have both. While the iPhone is going back (merely because it is equally good but far more expensive), it is in my opinion the better looking device, definitely the more premium device, and iOS is still a little smoother, faster, and more consistent and refined than Android is at the moment. Google know Android has a way to go yet in terms of fit and finish, but in terms of features and flexibility, it is currently the market leader. And it is crystal clear that Google are heading in the right direction - ICS and JB were massive steps forward over what were pretty poor predecessors.
Which I prefer? Honestly, if I was given either I'd be chuffed. The iPhone's hardware is far superior, but I do feel that Android's multitasking makes it for me.
Battery life...Nexus 4 would get around 6 hours of screen on time browsing over Wi-Fi, iPhone, around 9. Very vague I know, but it's a rough estimate. Over 3G, about the same; the iPhone 5 doesn't seem to hold onto its power on standby well at all.
How to convince your friends? I wouldn't. Let them play, let them judge based on the price tag.
iPhone: Faster, smoother, noticeably better cameras, noticeably better battery life, higher quality apps, less things to fix or workaround, much easier to use one handed (and I have large hands), much easier to back up, better build quality, significantly more choices in app and accessory ecosystem.
Nexus: Dramatically cheaper to own and use! Open - off contract, more customizable, widgets, accessible file system, more options for how to do things for the most part. It has a bigger display as well, but it gets in the way of one handed operation.
I like my Nexus 4 a lot, but if the iPhone was $350 and $30-50/month, it would be a tough decision to still go with the Nexus 4. I might, as I really like the usability and customizability of widgets and software like tasker and other utils, and being able access/stream/copy files to/from my network is really liberating. But there are still many rough edges to Android that don't exist with iOS.
If your friends are tinkerers and problem solvers Android is best. If they are not, and want the best user experience, let them keep their iPhones.
iOS: high end device with latest technology right out of the box, for people that don't understand or doesn't like to tweak their devices.
Android: high end device with latest technology right out of the box, for people that understand and like to tweak their devices for good and better customization/performance.
The only thing iOS beats Android, it's the app quality (not all, but the majority).
But I'll be honest, I was kinda jealous of my girlfriend's iphone 5 (with my s2). But after getting my N4, she's jealous of my phone =D
N4 is for tech junky not rich wannabe trendy in cool types
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Battery life...Nexus 4 would get around 6 hours of screen on time browsing over Wi-Fi,
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No idea where you got that number from, but 4 hours is about the limit I've seen.
If we're talking about a lot of browsing throughout the day on Wi-Fi, I get close to 6 hours. Daily usage with the majority of it on 3G, less of course, probably around the 4 hour mark.
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No idea where you got that number from, but 4 hours is about the limit I've seen.
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Then you're doing it wrong.
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Then you're doing it wrong.
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Should I hold my phone differently?
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Should I hold my phone differently?
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Yes!
Why do you feel the need to show them anything? Why do you think they are deluded? Maybe you should worry about your own stuff and they worry about theirs.
But like a number of other users have said, the pros for the n4 are custom roms/tinkering and price, if your friends don't care about those things then you aren't going to convince them the n4 is the better phone.
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iOS: high end device with latest technology right out of the box, for people that don't understand or doesn't like to tweak their devices.
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Probably not latest technology AFAICT.
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No idea where you got that number from, but 4 hours is about the limit I've seen.
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you should get over 4 hours wifi, I got 4.30 on stock, 5 hours display on wifi easy, or 6 clocked at 1100mhz
anyway
iphone is for the majority who upgraded from a nokia 3310 and don't know what to expect in a phone, just want emails etc
android for those who like freedom to customize and know what to expect when they spend money.
There is plenty to like and dislike about both phones.
The one that fills more of your likes then dislikes is the better phone for you.
Sorry iPhone 5 beats N4 but Samsung Galaxy 3 is iPhone slayer.
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Having just switched from an iphone 4 to the N4, the one thing that I can't believe hasn't been built into Android yet is lockscreen notifications. I understand you can pull the notification bar down, but I'd like to see something like iOS or Windows Phone 8 where I can see at a glance how many unread emails, msgs, missed calls I have without having to buy apps to do it. Not seeing the screen wake up when I receive a new notification is different too (also to quickly glance), but I'm getting used to that.
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What are some ways you can compare a nexus to iPhone in real life?
Which aspects of the N4 do you think are better than the iPhone?
My friends are deluded and seem to be going by just looks, how do I show them the N4 is more than what they think it is?
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Power on the N4. Unlock it. Done.
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