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Hi!
I have had my Tytn for roughly 2.5 years. This autumn/winter the battery time I could get out of my Tytn was really ridicilousley low, so I bought a new "non original" 1500 mAh battery. It got better but not much, I started to think that perhaps the battery time was never better than this.
The other day I skimmed through this forum about battery problems and found this little program for meassuring battery consumption. I have now had it on since I removed my phone from the charger this morning and now, 4 hours later I'm down to ~30% battery power and acbPowerMeter tells me that the phone has used 90 mAh all together.
I have made 1 shorter phone call and made a couple of synchs with turbo 3G during this period.
Does 90 mAh sound at all right? That would mean that the battery was crap to begin with....or is it possible that acbPowerMeter isn't giving me even "close to correct values"?
Does anyone have any comments or ideas around this issue?
Best Regards,
Olle
Don't know anything about your abcpowermeter. What I do know, is that when I've had a new battery, or when I flash a new ROM, I often have problems with low battery. I just run the battery down like three times in a row, and my battery always improves.
So before making any determinations or using a program, I always run the battery down.
I've got acbpowermeter on my phone, and I don't think it's much good to be honest. If I remember correctly, the last time I left it running, it severely drained my battery - not exactly what you want a power meter app to do.
I find it far more reliable by using BatteryStatus from chi-tai.info and just seeing what the momentary power usage is. (it sits on your Today screen). Yeah, it's not a comprehensive breakdown of your power usage over time, but it doesn't run the battery down like acbPowerMeter does
Like you though, I'm still curious as to what exactly my device consumes in terms of power over the course of a single charge, and I'm on the look out for a decent app which just ticks away in the background measuring power drain...
Hi!
Regardless of Acbpower I just bought a new HTC Original battery and now I have the "normal" battery life I was used to during the first year of my device. As it has allready been discussed in other threads: These non-original batteries are far from always a safe purchase...
Br, Olleman
I recommend Lion Batteries. I have had a great experience with their 3000mAh battery for over a year and a half. Use that 3G on my Hermes and music all the time -- serious user-- and the battery still last me over day. Mind you I am constantly on the internet and always using push email and other data-centric services.
As far as Battery Status, for general purposes is great as I find the more complicated the app the more drain on the system it is trying to read. A simple app that you can just keep an eye over a period of time I think works best.
As far as batteries I was concerned where to buy one. Since my brand new battery died over just a year. Mind you a tethered a lot and I think that tends to kill the battery life faster.
Alright, so I've read just about every thread on here about battery life. Some people get 80 hours, other 6. Some people turn the screen on once and the battery is drained, while another person is powering their car with it. Suffice to say, there is a LARGE discrepancy in how much battery we get.
Some thoughts on the subject.
When I first got my phone, battery life wasn't really all that bad. Then I started playing with it. We all rooted our phones. Then we flashed a ROM on there. Then we changed kernals. We updated radios. We installed apps. We took off apps. We used live wallpapers. We changed our screen brightness. We under/overclocked. We also all use different homescreen replacements. And this hasn't really been talked about yet.
So in an effort to get to the bottom of this battery mystery, I'd like this thread to be entirely about homescreen replacements. It's something that's very easy to change and can be measured by each one of us individually.
For simplicities sake, let's do a simple poll on your battery life with whatever home screen you currently use. So we can all measure these the same, let's use the same program. I prefer to use a widget called battery left (find it in the market). I trust this program, as I've seen full day usage anywhere from 30 hours (estimated) down to about 12. When you are fully charged and after a day or two of use, the battery left widget will give you an estimation of how long your battery will last (in hours). So with that information, we can all have our different usage habits, but still compare home screens objectively. For any interested, I'd like to see what different reportings you get from each home screen (but remember, they will require a day or two of usage for the battery to recalibrate. Also, make sure you tell it to recalibrate when you change to a different homescreen).
I think this could be a key area of concern for battery life.
For discussion purposes, I was using Home++ when I was having major battery issues. I have since switched to Helix Launcher 2 and it seems to have improved my battery life a good bit. I do not think I am at the level I was at originally (stock), but I also probably run a lot more. Currently, my full battery life charge with Helix is 21 hours. Battery Left claims moderate accuracy. I will let this run for a few more days and then switch to another home screen and see the differences, while trying to keep my usage habits similar.
I've never once noticed a hit in battery life due to helix launcher2
In the DInc forum more than probably any other forum on XDA, there is a copious amount of battery life related threads. How to extend your battery life, what kernel is best, what ROM is best, what extended batteries work, what applications will help, combinations of CPU and brightness, all kinds of jazz. Truth be told, most people who have come to a "solid conclusion" about what is best for their battery life are misleading themselves, and others. Why? Well..
#1. There are too many variables.
Your average joe who posts on here claiming they got XX amount of battery life compared to average joe number two's claim of getting YY hours tells no one anything. The fact of the matter is that in these phones, there are SO many things that act as variables on battery life that most people don't even consider. The obvious ones are data usage, WiFi connectivity, screen brightness, and CPU clocks to name a few. But what a lot of people don't consider are things like signal strength. My battery life personally is bad through the week because my school has absolutely terrible service. My battery life triples throughout the day with Airplane Mode on and WiFi enabled. It's well known in the cell phone consumer society that the better your signal is, the easier your radio will be on your battery. If you're teetering on very poor service, or none at all, your radio is constantly searching for signal so it can get you back on the network as soon as possible. This also applies to the WiFi radio. Some people leave theirs on all the time, some don't. Same for Bluetooth, GPS, anything. There are too many variables for your average person to cover to be able to accurately claim that "this app" or "this ROM" or "this method" does exactly "this" to your battery life.
#2. You're probably undereducated about how your battery works.
Don't get me wrong on this one, we have a lot of very intelligent people here at XDA, many far more intelligent than I, that keep this place rolling on a daily basis, but far too many of the people who try to make factual claims about battery life don't know what they're talking about. The most prolific example of this is the argument between total discharges, and interval charging. There are people who argue that allowing your battery to completely discharge and then charge back to full is the best way to preserve battery life. Then there are some who are adamant about charging whenever a charger is present, regardless of battery percentage. While very few of us here, myself included, are battery technicians or something of the sort, there is factual data to support the idea that Lithium Ion batteries do not have any sort of memory like NiCad and other batteries do. While this may be true, on the other hand, fully charging and discharging your phone allows it to more accurately determine what voltage your battery is producing and thus gives a better percentage reading. Your battery life percentage on your phone is no clear indicator and is nothing more than the phone's mathematical way of processing the output of the battery and translating it into a more useful term for people like you and I. This is why wiping battery stats and completely draining a fully charged battery seems to help with battery life, because you won't see as many violent drops in percentage because the phone can more accurately calculate the power usage. That being said, wiping battery stats does nothing more for you than that. It does not magically make your battery superpowered and won't make dinner for you.
#3. All batteries are different.
Extended batteries are an interesting thing. You can buy two of the same make and model from the same place, and the two batteries can perform completely differently. This is because no two batteries are the same. Quality control issues, differences in materials, shelf life, production date, and all kinds of other factors go into how well a battery will perform. Some people get great experiences from the $10 eBay batteries and some get experiences worse than stock. Some people see quadrupled life out of OEM extended batteries, and some see minimal gains. This also applies to the stock battery that comes with the phone. That being said, mAh ratings are also relative and not all batteries live up to their true claims. A battery said to operate at 2500 mAh may not ever reach that capacity and it may run at a true value of 2000 mAh. The case will rarely ever be reversed, but you see the point. Take battery specifications with a grain of salt, because you aren't always going to get what you pay for.
#4. All phones are different.
The hardware in your phone may or may not be the same as the hardware in my phone, and one of the biggest differences in the DInc with this respect is the SLCD and AMOLED screens. AMOLED screens can save or expel more battery than SLCD screens depending on what you are viewing. A person with an AMOLED who uses primarily dark-themed apps and a dark background may see better life than someone identical who uses light-themed apps and a lighter background. Not to mention that all of the hardware in these phones aren't identical and sometimes parts slip through with lower efficiencies or defects that may or may not affect your battery life, and you will likely never know.
#5. ROMs/Kernels behave erratically.
The Warm Z ROM I use on my phone might deliver totally different results for you than it does for me. Same goes for kernels. We have found time and time again that kernel and ROM changes are not universal for battery life and everybody gets different experiences. You have to try out what fits you, and if you're that interested in finding the perfect balance, you'll just have to try them all. That's a long, painstaking process, but there's no solid evidence to tell you what will be optimal for your setup.
Now...
All that being said, I want you to understand I am not bashing anyone who tries to make a good conclusive result for how to improve battery life. Some methods are common sense and surefire, and some are wives tales. There are some great threads on battery life and topics related to it, two of which I will link to here:
Effects of CPU Frequency and Screen Brightness on Power Consumption
Your Battery Gauge Is Lying To You
These are both by XDA Member byrong, and he uses principles of science and the scientific method to make conclusive data in relation to battery life and how certain variables affect it. He eliminated as many variables as possible in his study and produced linear data that coincides with common sense ideas relating to smartphones and battery life. Note he does not make claims of how long your battery will last, or what kind of effects to expect from each setting, but he produces solid data that allows you to make your own interpretation.
At the end of the day, battery life boils down to balancing out functionality for conservativeness. If you're the kind of person who doesn't need auto sync'ing and push notifications, then by all means disable those things and keep your phone alive a little longer. If you're always by a charger throughout your work day, leave it all on! It's all preference, and there is no solid set method to making your battery all it can be. No ROM, kernel, app, wipe, or other method is going to be the 'be-all-end-all' of battery life extension. Simply see what works for you, and take your own results with a grain of salt. If you test one method one day, and another one the next, and you see that method A gave you 4 more hours than method B, take into account that you were driving through an area with no signal on your way home from work during the usage of method B, or you were playing a game on method B or you did less browsing on method A. Keep your trials as scientific as possible if you want to get real solid results.
Above all, just use your phone and enjoy it. If you never go more than 12 hours without being around a charger, and your phone lasts 15 hours, there's no real purpose in trying to sacrifice more things you use and enjoy to try and get a bigger and better number. Charging a phone, even just a little bit, doesn't take forever, and you can get a valuable amount of juice out of 15 minutes on the plug. Use common sense and don't overthink it. Everybody uses something a little different. That's why we have these phones, because we all want something a little different.
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This is great; very informative. Thank you.
Sent from my Magnolia Incredible
Thank you. I plan on updating the second post with a more comprehensive set of links to other articles about battery life that may be found useful.
Cool "A person with an AMOLED who uses primarily dark-themed apps and a dark background may see better life than someone identical who uses light-themed apps and a lighter background"
I guess that's why my phone digs on the Magnolia Rom,
or at least Steves last version it was all black.
Excellent write up. We need more threads like this one by sensible authors who actually take the time to research the topic they are posting about. Thank you for adding knowledge and integrity to this community.
Much love my friend
When I get the chance I'll scour the forums to try and find some more useful threads on battery life and consolidate them here.
SGS Vibrant flashed with Trigger 3.2 the battery lasts for 1 day with wifi usage and even if kept for overnight it drains about 18-20% of battery should i move to a different ROM ?
You could
Sent from a cell tower to the XDA server to you.
Trigger has had one of the best all time battery life for me a everytime.
I think you need to
A) recalibrate
B) re-check to see if any apps are using battery life.
C) flash a rom if none of that works.
Here we go again for the millionth time.....
But for me trigger had the best battery life.
I'm not on the gingerbread roms and it takes me from 100% to 5% in 8 hours overnight even WITH Juicedefender (seems to be about the same without it also).
If anyone has tips on THAT, I would much appreciate it. I've tried calibrating the battery.
There is a setting that you can turn your radios of from x time to x time overnight. I have mine set for 11-6. If I am on after 11, then I take priority. If not then the setting does.
There is also a setting that will open data/radio every 15m/30m/45m/1h/2h or something like that to get updates for somethings (i.e. Beautiful Widgets). I have mine set at 2h. If I want my data/radio open I will do it myself, hence my long interval.
Been using this app for well over a year so I know how to tweak it a bunch. If you have JD+ see my battery guide and it will tell you more about its tweakiness.
Trust me. This guy knows how to use JD, check out his battery guide. It will be worth your time.
Sent from my SGH-T959 (Samsung Vibrant)
i wish i could get my phone to last a whole day without charging, i just dont complain because i know for a FACT that the reason my phone only lasts 10-12 hours is because of ME. im too stubborn and refuse to switch to battery-friendly usage. the biggest thing that impacts battery is the user/user apps. not rom, not kernel, the battery difference from rom-to-rom and kernl-to-kernel is barely noticeable (unless in the rare case where there is a bug, or developmental defect). if there was ACTUALLY a rom in exsistence that TRULY had superior battery life, then you wouldnt get 5-10 different answers in every single "what is best rom/kernel for battery" thread.
the problem is, people want to believe that they can save battery without changing their usage habits. this simply is not possible. no rom or kernel will realistically do this for you. if you remove 1 brick from a bag full of 15 bricks, the bag will be lighter, but still very heavy. you need to download "spare parts" or "process monitor" from the market and start analyzing the way your apps are acting. also look into data syncs that are happening in the background. apps that stay open behind your back/what they are doing, (an app called "autostarts" can prevent apps from self-running under certain scenarios). animation speed. polling for notifications. gps. wifi scans. overclocking. cpu/ram usage. proper sleep. widgets. brightness. 2g/3g. data usage. call time. text volume. - THESE are the things that really affect your battery life.
bottom line is, if you truly want to save battery you are going to have to get your hands dirty...there simply isnt a one-click (or one-flash) solution.
Hmm so i'm now on MIUI and it seems to be giving better battery life, also have been thinking of getting the extended battery for Vibrant is it worth ?
If it sucks so bad, grab one of these. I have it and it has given me at least a 20% increase in battery life. BTW, you must listen to the instruction for the Battery if you get it. 4 or 5 full Drains to 0% and then charge to 100% while device is powered off and re-calibrate after each of these full charge cycles.
http://www.amazon.com/Anker-1800mAh...TNYE/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1325868638&sr=8-3
switch to Neo's ICS .
it rocks
Cellanos said:
switch to Neo's ICS .
it rocks
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But the gps doesn't work on it correct?
What about the extended battery which is around 3500Mah
I just got the 1800 mah batteries for the Epic 4g. They fit in the vibrant like a glove and my battery life has been significantly lengthened.
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dinjo_jo said:
Hmm so i'm now on MIUI and it seems to be giving better battery life, also have been thinking of getting the extended battery for Vibrant is it worth ?
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sent from my Sensation XD
The reason for this thread's existence is simple, to find the best combination of ROM+KERNEL for MIDO which yeilds the best battery life with optimised and good performance.
I request posters to:
1. Post atleast screenshots of one whole battery cycle with SOT (Screen on time) and battery graph.
2. The ROM which yeilds the described SOT with Kernel being used with it, preferably with Kernel settings if being used.
3. Any other battery optimisation made to yeilds more battery out of the phone such as GREENIFY or others.
NOTE: IF YOU CAN POST SCREENSHOTS OF GSAM BATTERY MONITOR TOO.
Thx guys.
Sorry to ask that but don't you think that this has no sense?
You can't include some important things into your comparison, like screen brightness, network usage, network coverage, network settings (2G/3G/LTE), sensor settings.
Even watching the same YouTube video in 720p or [email protected] on an identical device makes a huge difference. And this are really just a few examples...
Well thx for bringing that up!
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Sorry to ask that but don't you think that this has no sense?
You can't include some important things into your comparison, like screen brightness, network usage, network coverage, network settings (2G/3G/LTE), sensor settings.
Even watching the same YouTube video in 720p or [email protected] on an identical device makes a huge difference. And this are really just a few examples...
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I did consider those except the sensor settings. i know the usage per person is different for everyone and also it depends on the battery deterioration too but i couldn't really ask ppl to explain all their intricate settings. I just want a good amount of data for ppl that helps them decide which rom and kernel to use.
ALSO I THINK PPL ARE SMART ENOUGH THAT THEY REALIZE IT DIFFERS FROM USAGE TO USAGE.
Thx for some insight.
Then you could make statistics with medium usage on different combinations.
For some basic stats you can also pick up the stats from "real screen on time" thread.
One more thing to consider is that some people have 18h SOT with 3 days of usage and this breaks the average usage time on this device by far (and is not representative at all on normal usage). Therefore you probably have to exclude the best and worst SOTs, to achieve comparable results, between the ROMs.