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for me coming from an iphone and an ipad , i couldnt care less about rooting as i had alot more freedom than what i was used to even after jailbreak
But after a couple of weeks decided to root my device for 2 reasons , 1st was Samsung Kies cant imagine my self ever having to use it again what an awfull software , the second was Chain3d and the ability to play tegra games
I'd like to hear what the other users have to say , may be even help me explore more into the world of rooting
Chain fire , CWM , Ad Blocker , Root access and also that i can flash CM9 (ICS) as soon as it is available
I haven't rooted it yet. Waiting for ICS. Chainfire 3D sounds tempting, but I already have PS2, PS3 and PSP, so not much time for mobile gaming.
SetCPU and App Quarantine
My rebel spirit.
Titanium Backup and need for IPsec VPN.
roms and the fun of it
ICS when it comes too....the port is looking really good once they get over that speed bump with audio
ROM Flashing Disorder . there i said it
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the second was Chain3d and the ability to play tegra games
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How can you play tegra games on sgs2 please explain..
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I held off for a good few months... but then I fancied playing with a vanilla AOSP ROM. Now I've flashed about 12 kernels and countless ROMs.. Always come back to stock though, keep root for titanium.
mainly because it was so easy to do but the ability to use set cpu and custom roms makes it more fun too.
Still not got round to rooting my desire hd as it seems a lot of messing about
Tweaked kernels and rom customization, like removing unneeded system apps.
The fact that i bought it.
I rooted mainly to do the following:
Remove bloatware plus apps I don't use with TBackup
Customise the interface plus tweak CPU And services for extra battery.
A few decent apps require root access to function and because I like playing with the latest roms, titanium backup is something I just couldn't do without
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I'm some one who always want's to dig deep, dive into the system, bring it completely under my control and then do things the maker of the device didn't intend me be doing
Long story short, like do all that's possible and a bit more, tinker with the system.
To delete the damn Samsung bloatware!
A whole new world of possibilities are exposed when you root your SGSII, i rooted mine within hours of getting it and then flashed a custom ROM.
People who don't root their phone are basically missing out.
Errrrr why wouldn't you root the sgs 2. For starters I changed the dpi as 240 is childlike imho. And yes, I can't help but flash
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Well I rooted it and the first thing I did was unlock it. But, as with any Android device, you have to root (I feel). I'm on a miui build atm and just love how customizable the 'themes' are on it. I don't even use many root programs, just Twitter Facebook and a browser mainly, but its nice knowing I have root if I ever need it. An of course when a stable build of ICS comes out I'm going to try that.
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For using Mobile Odin pro to flash ROM with out increasing counter, Titanium Backup pro for all the goodies it offers, CWM, and for the freedom that I get after rooting!
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Hey all,
Even though I've pretty much a big lurker here for a while, especially the last year. I've finally upgraded to the GS3 today, so my Heroc is finally, after just about 3 years, retired.
I wanted to thank everyone throughout the years that made this device so great. I won't name individuals, there are too many and I know I'll forget someone. You all are the best! Thanks for keeping this device so great for so long! Your roms and other resources have truly been a delight.
And to my Hero, you are my hero. I've never had a phone I've been so attached to. You've stuck through the rooting, roms, and other nonsense I've put you through, getting dropped, squished, and other tortures, and never dropped a call, died at the wrong time, or missed a message. Well done, true and faithful servant, well done.:crying:
Carl
Congrats on the GS3. Very nice device. I was giving it a serious look-over, but the screen feels just too big for me. Even though the Evo 4G LTE is not much smaller, it's enough that it I find it "just right." I'm planning to switch over to it soon.
However...
I wasn't very courageous with my HTC Hero. I had it rooted for over a year before finally taking the chance and loading a ROM onto it. I kept reading up on the different ones available, knowing I could always go back to stock if I didn't like it. But I felt paranoid that I might screw it up. And my first time flashing a new ROM, I almost did... fortunately it all worked out. I'm zipping along on CM7.2 now.
It took me a full weekend of searching around to find the apps and widgets that appealed to me, giving enough functionality to match or surpass what I'd had before. I missed the sleek integrated feel of HTC Sense, but... there are fine substitutes to be had if you look hard enough. I've customized my Hero now to the point where I'm regretting that I didn't do this sooner. It's a really great phone with CM7. But there's no beating around the fact that the processor is anemic compared to what is out there now. You can't play memory intensive games on it (e.g. Angry Birds), but in a way I kind of like that... one less thing to waste my time on.
One other nice thing about the Hero... is the grandfathered waiver on the 4G monthly fee. Upgrading adds on $10/mo. Of course, once you have reliable 4G in your area, it's well worth it. Anyway, I suspect the easiest way to motivate an upgrade is to put the two phones side by side. No contest on performance with the GS3 or 4G LTE.
I actually was so scared to root it, I waited like 6 months before I did. But boy o boy, once I did, I think I unrooted maybe once just to clean up a really bad ROM install. I went though the different CMs, NFX, LiquidSense, ExEnHeroC, AospMod (on his for a long time), WildHero, and tried ALOT of others and I finally landed for almost the past year on the TeamHeroC rom. I waited 6 months to root my Hero, and 3 weeks to root my Nook tablet. I rooted the GS3 pretty much three days after I got it. Gotta love XDA!
I've tweaked it to the moon using firerat's and data2ext, played with the different kernels like Decafuct and Jaybob's and UOT kitchened it. I have put it though the mill, and it still runs purrs right along. In fact, if I didn't really need a wifi hotspot right now, I would still be with it.
I don't know if it's that this being the first Android Sprint phone, and at the time there weren't very many out there, or what, but there've been and continue to be so many people working on this phone over the years. I know the HeroC is a legacy device, but there still seems to be lots of development going on. I can only hope the SG3 will be as supported.
BTW, it is a transition going from the Hero's small screen to the GS3's massive one. But it is sweet to use!
Carl
Hey Carl,
Great to hear about your experience with the Hero. I've not yet tried the TeamHeroC... sounds good. Is that the same group that created TWRP? Out of all the ROM's which one would say is:
Best for HTC Sense like GUI with reasonable performance
Best for flat out lean and mean performance without sacrificing usability
I've only just gotten a hang of the Android OS architecture and understanding the various layers, so I've not even started to think about replacing kernels. It certainly sounds like you can mix and match a number of components to achieve your own unique blend that suits you. It'll be fun to learn more about it, which will prepare me for rooting and modding my next Android phone (most likely the HTC Evo 4G LTE). Thankfully I'm all set for a phone discount so if I manage to brick my Hero, I can quickly get a replacement without significant cost.
I'm also looking forward to trying out ICS and JB, to see if people have cooked up ROMs that can actually run efficiently on the Hero without producing much lag. That's pretty much the Achilles Heel of the Hero--the processor. If there was only some way to upgrade it.
~Gary
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Hey Carl,
Great to hear about your experience with the Hero. I've not yet tried the TeamHeroC... sounds good. Is that the same group that created TWRP?
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Out of all the ROM's which one would say is:
Best for HTC Sense like GUI with reasonable performance
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WildHeroc
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Best for flat out lean and mean performance without sacrificing usability
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Jaybob's teamheroc is best for everything
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I'm also looking forward to trying out ICS and JB, to see if people have cooked up ROMs that can actually run efficiently on the Hero without producing much lag. That's pretty much the Achilles Heel of the Hero--the processor. If there was only some way to upgrade it.
~Gary
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Shelnutt has done a really good job with jellybean. It runs rather well.
As far as flashing kernels and roms, the hero is hard to screw up. Make nandroids and flash away and you can try everything.
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Thanks for the suggestions, ajrty (or do you like to be called SeaDoo?). I had seen mention of WildHero before but I'll bump it to the top of my list of next ROMs to try.
While I've been appreciating some of what GO Launcher does, I'm astounded at how bloated it is. The frigging thing takes up 24Mb of memory, and that's just the launcher alone! The task manager, power master, and weather widgets also consume quite a bit of space. Also, when I elected for it to be the default, it effectively hid ADW Launcher from everything except one sub menu under settings. It took me a while, but for a moment I was thinking the darned thing had uninstalled ADW without asking for my permission.
Are you using TWRP or CWM for managing your backups? If you use TWRP, do you also use Goo Manager? How do you deal with preserving current data when switching ROMs (such as contacts, SMS and voicemail)? It's my understanding that nandroid and the like replace everything completely. Or, is it that once you get a ROM configured the way you like it, you do a nandroid backup for just the apps and system, leaving data out of it? I suspect that if you have the data stored on the SD card that a nandroid backup not containing user data would simply leave it alone when restored.
hey cytherian,
I agree with ajrty33. If you want a good ROM, TeamHeroC by Jaybob et al, is the best, and it's what I rocked for the past year. I tried others, but always came back to it. Wildhero is probably the most advanced Sense ROM out there, and runs really well on the Heroc.
I can't speak too much for launchers...I have always ran my Heroc with LauncherPro. I doubt it's available anymore. I know when I rooted my Nook tablet, it installed ADW as the launcher, and I have to say I like it. So far on my galaxy I'm still on with TouchWiz (for now).
I always ran with clockwork for my recovery, and it always treated me well. for a backup, I used (and still do) MyBackup Pro. Short of a nandroid backup it catches all my SMS/MMS, call log, and other stuff. If I installed a new ROM, that would give me all my data back.
It sounds like your a bit confused below about nandroid backups. A nandroid backup (that you would do from recovery) takes a snapshot of your system (ROM, data, cache, everything) and saves it to a file. If you then install a ROM, and it either messes up, or you just want to go back to the system as it stood just before you installed the new ROM, you can use your recovery to flash it back. So a nandroid backup is a necessary part of playing with ROMs....as long as you keep a good copy, you can get your phone back the way it was.
Backup programs like Titanium or MyBackup, just backup data and apps. They dont backup your system (I dont think Titanium does anyway). So if I installed a new ROM, I would use it to restore, for instance, all my SMSs.
Hope that helps,
Carl
I've been flashing ROMs for years on my devices, and my new nexus arrives in a couple of days, replacing my amazing Samsung Vibrant (currently whizzing along on a very fast and stable 4.2.1 build)..... hard to believe a phone that's coming on 3+ years old and was dropped by T-Mobile at Froyo!
Seems that folk's flashing custom ROMs/kernels are having a ton of issues, and my question is this.
If the concept of the nexus device is pure Google and the latest stable ROMs, why bother flashing half-baked ROMs that cause problems?
I would assume the nexus 4 has the latest 4.2.1 build and should be stable, no?
Just trying to figure out the advantages of flashing problematic custom ROMs when this phone gets tested, stable latest builds?
How can you possibly stay ahead of Google if this phone gets the latest update as soon as it's available?
Thanks, looking forward to joining the nexus 4 community.
Hello and welcome to the Nexus community.
People usually flash custom ROM not for latest build but latest features. Google might have latest builds going on with nexus line but there are many features that only custom ROM offers. For example, making a quick toggle actual toggle, not a quick shortcut.
Also custom ROM for nexus have been much more stable than other phones since nexus phones already is running stock android, which is very close to AOSP, developers don't need to do a lot of work for basic features.
With these being said, I'm sticking with stock rooted mainly because features custom Roms provide isn't really needed for me and definitely not worth losing a bit of stability. But everyone is different.
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Hello and welcome to the Nexus community.
People usually flash custom ROM not for latest build but latest features. Google might have latest builds going on with nexus line but there are many features that only custom ROM offers. For example, making a quick toggle actual toggle, not a quick shortcut.
Also custom ROM for nexus have been much more stable than other phones since nexus phones already is running stock android, which is very close to AOSP, developers don't need to do a lot of work for basic features.
With these being said, I'm sticking with stock rooted mainly because features custom Roms provide isn't really needed for me and definitely not worth losing a bit of stability. But everyone is different.
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Cool, appreciate the reply.
I see you are running stock ROM, but custom kernel? Does the kernel help with improving battery life? I've read that the battery life on the nexus 4 is lack luster and will only get you through a day of average usage before needing a charge?
That will be the only thing that I will flash - kernels that improve smoothness of experience and increase battery life.
I recall the original Vibrant ROM's were good but battery was crap. Over time and with a very strong (still to this day) developer community, I'm getting a couple of days with average use....and that's on an old battery too!
I should get my phone delivered tomorrow, so am excited to see how it compares to my aging Vibrant (running HellyBean 4.2.1 and it's really very very fast).
Cheers!
Yes I am using Franco kernel because it gives me extra battery life while giving a smooth experience. Franco was smart enough to fix a problem that Google caused
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Does having TWRP and Stock ROM still allow OTA Google Updates?
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Yes I am using Franco kernel because it gives me extra battery life while giving a smooth experience. Franco was smart enough to fix a problem that Google caused
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I see that you have stock ROM but rooted with TWRP - I just completed this setup, despite being a little tricky as the auto downloads/updates from Wugfresh were not working (not an AV/Firewall issue - had them all turned off) so had to do a lot of manual install.
Anyway, my question is this:
If I stick with stock ROM and Franco Kernel, will I still get OTA updates from Google?
I'm not really interested in custom ROM's right now and would rather get the latest official from Google - I am assuming that is what you also want, hence emulating your setup.
Thanks.
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I see that you have stock ROM but rooted with TWRP - I just completed this setup, despite being a little tricky as the auto downloads/updates from Wugfresh were not working (not an AV/Firewall issue - had them all turned off) so had to do a lot of manual install.
Anyway, my question is this:
If I stick with stock ROM and Franco Kernel, will I still get OTA updates from Google?
I'm not really interested in custom ROM's right now and would rather get the latest official from Google - I am assuming that is what you also want, hence emulating your setup.
Thanks.
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Um as far as I know, technically yes, you will receive updates from Google. But I've heard that any modification can effect the update so I'm not expecting to use ota but I believe that great developers from xda will surely release a stock updated ROM with root and everything that you can flash on twrp. That's what I've been doing with galaxy nexus before using nexus 4
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I'm running the latest CM10.1 nightlies and have had no issues and great battery life.
My wife is running stock, unrooted with no issues and great battery life.
Keep in mind that it's the people with issues who are most vocal. I'm guessing that the majority have no problems either way.
Aosp is the same as stock. All nexus roms base on aosp plus officially supplied drivers. That means Google Android as you know it runs stable. Features on top of that are in development and that is what may cause some issues, but only if you use these features and only in their isolated scope. No one ever suffers from missing Wi-Fi, gps, Bluetooth, etc. I don't think i would put a rom on a non nexus device, the only reason i buy nexus is because it's an open platform and i can enjoy cool ideas and features.
I originally rooted to install google wallet. but I had so many problems with actually installing it that I just gave up and unrooted my phone. I tried out a few roms but until they get to 4.2 android (jelly beans/jedi) I think I'm going to take a breather from ROM bugs.
Right in time to stop me from rooting,I was hesitant all along after bricking my Note One by constantly playing with Custom Roms and Kernels,thats over six months ago,but looks like It has started itching me to repeat the process once again with my Note II, although,so far, I havent felt the need tbviously will pass on it for the time beeing.
And the point of this... Maybe I'll tell everyone I've turned the s note pop-up when removing the s-pen off. You know because I don't use it.
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And the point of this... Maybe I'll tell everyone I've turned the s note pop-up when removing the s-pen off. You know because I don't use it.
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Will never go back to unrooted..its just feels like stuck in a cage..and well replied the above user!..If you know what you are doing..rooting opens up unlimited possibilities!
Not sure how anyone has issues rooting with the fantastic tools available....I suggest you go download Samsung_Galaxy_Note2_ToolKit and use that. Seriously it doesn't get easier than that. I bought my Note 2 and within the first few hours I was rooted, just for the sake of being rooted.
If you choose custom roms with respected developers, you can rely on them. If thousands use the rom, possible bugs will be posted on its forum, and the rom will be updated. There are often bugs in official roms but you have to wait months for the fix there! Custom roms open a new world for you.
If you choose the right ROM, you won't have any problems. And several of them don't have any problems. If you want to be sure that it's as stable as possible, choose a Samsung based ROM and stock kernel. But more complex ROMs are mostly completely stable. I am on ESA NOTE with the abyss kernel and I don't have any problems at all. But I have tried others like Omega and ARHD with the same results.
It was more or less having problems getting google wallet to work. I do know a lot about rooting I've been doing it since the moto droid. I just could not get wallet to work consistently. And the rom bugs alot of times developers know about them but they take away a few things I like or the usefulness is gone because there is a slight issue due to porting. To say that there is a rom out there that doesn't have at least one major issue after its made would be to bury your head in the sand. I've tried a lot of the major more popular rooms and granted some features were really cool other things made me get rid of it.
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Root is not only to play with rom. I'm on stock rom, and rooted it in order to use Titanium Backup, AdWay and Android Firewall. The note II is my first Android phone for wich i dont feel the need to use a custom rom.
I always root, even if If I say on the stock ROM. Never had any issues.
If your device became unstable its down to the app or ROM you are trying to use not the fact that you have the ability to grant select apps root access
Rooting your device means allowing the administrative access to your device, not to install some damn ROMs. I'll always be on Stock ROM and will always be rooted.
OP's statement is moot.
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I use root for certain apps not for custom roms. Always stock for me
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The only reason why I unrooted my phone and stopped using custom roms is that I hate losing my apps data (for example, games progress) every time I try or upgrade to a new custom rom. Titanium backup is nice but it doesn't work perfectly like how iphone backup works....
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Rooting does not equate installing custom roms. I'm running stock 4.1.1 and rooted. The advantages are endless, freezing and backing up apps, using network apps such as dsploit, assigning endless amount of specific led colors for certain notifications/apps; the list is endless.
I've taken a break from custom roms since Sammy did an amazing job with stock, but I'll always be rooted. There's just too much to lose without root.
- ad blocking
- directory bind
- titanium backup
- freezing system apps
- spen gesture control app
- mobile Odin
- file managers with root access
Take away any one of those root-enabled feature and I would be really sad.
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I just picked up the V20 and am in the process of trying out some non-root backup/restore options. I'm thinking of running stock, non-rooted on the V20 for a bit to see if I even need to bother with root anymore. Does anyone have any pro tips on using LGBackup or Helium? My note 4 is rooted and does nightly backups with Titanium, so I'm thinking if I can't get one of the non-root restores to work I'll resort to rooting just to get my Titanium backup on there. Is there a way for Titanium to restore without root maybe?
So far I've found the LGBackup is just stupidly slow. The reviews were hit or miss on if it actually moves over app data. Still waiting on a small test restore to finish to verify.
Any other note 4 to V20 users with some tips on settings or anything? This is my first non-Samsung phone and also a big upgrade in terms of OS. Was still running 4.4.4 on the note 4 because I'm lazy on manually upgrading the ROM, that's why I'm hoping to not root/rom this time round.
EDIT: Another possibly stupid question, could I root to get the Titanium backup restored onto the V20 then unroot without wiping the data? Basically my goal it get my app data from note 4 to V20 and still be able to get OTA updates from Tmo or Google.
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I just picked up the V20 and am in the process of trying out some non-root backup/restore options. I'm thinking of running stock, non-rooted on the V20 for a bit to see if I even need to bother with root anymore. Does anyone have any pro tips on using LGBackup or Helium? My note 4 is rooted and does nightly backups with Titanium, so I'm thinking if I can't get one of the non-root restores to work I'll resort to rooting just to get my Titanium backup on there. Is there a way for Titanium to restore without root maybe?
So far I've found the LGBackup is just stupidly slow. The reviews were hit or miss on if it actually moves over app data. Still waiting on a small test restore to finish to verify.
Any other note 4 to V20 users with some tips on settings or anything? This is my first non-Samsung phone and also a big upgrade in terms of OS. Was still running 4.4.4 on the note 4 because I'm lazy on manually upgrading the ROM, that's why I'm hoping to not root/rom this time round.
EDIT: Another possibly stupid question, could I root to get the Titanium backup restored onto the V20 then unroot without wiping the data? Basically my goal it get my app data from note 4 to V20 and still be able to get OTA updates from Tmo or Google.
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I'm pretty sure you don't want to restore a Note 4 backup to the V20. Some of the apps use different hooks. To be honest, I wasn't a fan of TB backups when flashing new ROMs. I had much better luck just reinstalling the apps from the Store.
TB won't run on phones that aren't rooted and I'm sure that any unroot methods would involve wiping data.
I've had the phone since day one. I haven't yet had a compelling reason to root. Your mileage may vary.
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I'm pretty sure you don't want to restore a Note 4 backup to the V20. Some of the apps use different hooks. To be honest, I wasn't a fan of TB backups when flashing new ROMs. I had much better luck just reinstalling the apps from the Store.
TB won't run on phones that aren't rooted and I'm sure that any unroot methods would involve wiping data.
I've had the phone since day one. I haven't yet had a compelling reason to root. Your mileage may vary.
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Even the data wouldn't be compatable? I've seen how Helium can just do the data, so you can download the app then restore just the data. That's going to be my next test. LGBackup took ~3 hours on just personal data and 5 test apps. No app data was transferred.
just a heads up. I dont know if this issue has been solved or not but.... if you are planning to root the phone and in the near feature you want to unlock the simcard, i suggest to unlock it prior to doing the root because many people have been trying to unlock their phones and even when they go back to stock it will say that the device is not supported.
Go back to your Note 4. Trust me I regret getting rid of my Note 4 for this POS. Went through 2 v20's already and waiting for my 3rd replacement as this one just died.
I've restored LGbackups several times and it worked far better than sammy smart switch or kies. It restored all my apps and app associated data.
The v20 will be faster (about 3 times faster in benchmarks), has more ram, less junkware, more storage, quicker camera, faster charging and better screen.
Only thing missing from the v20 is the stylus. I honestly wish they'd make the v series a stylus version and the g series a non stylus version akin to the Samsung S series and Note series.
As for note 4 backup on a v20 I don't recommend it because Samsung is known to customize the crap out of the android system. I am not sure if they still do this but I know kitkat was heavily modified (specifically ART component) on the note 3 enough to require rework on aftermarket options.
Further v20 is on Nougat, I believe the note 4 was updated to the last version of lollipop so that could create some issues.
As for backing up I recommend 3rd party software like Titanium Backup because manufacturer backups tend to go with the idea you'll stick with their brand forever.
SaintZ what exactly happened to your v20s? I find it interesting you've gone through so many bad ones certainly not normal.
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