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I'm wondering what the experience has been for people using Opera 8.6. I installed the free beta version months ago, which is working, and I'm wondering if it is worth it to buy the latest retail version.
Any Opera users care to comment on their experience?
Generally I find this a good browser but there a few problems which I must mention:-
1) One cannot configure it to store its Cache to SD card. There are ways around this but nothing out of the box.
2) For large web pages with graphics and annimations vertical scrolling becomes really painful as the page does not scroll smoothly with the vertical bar. This gets really really annoying at times.
3) There is a slight lag between pressing of a link and the browser responding. You tend to press the link repeatedly thinking the browser has not responded and then it hangs. However this is something you soon get used to so not that much of a problem.
4) Quite often it does not load the page fully and gets stuck towards the last bits of the page. This is more so for pages with annimations. The progress bar gets stuck when the page has almost been downloaded and only a small percent is left. You then have to refresh the page and usually the 2nd attempt gets you through the full page.
4) The worst problem for me which has really limited its use is that once you have used this it stops some other programs to start and you have to soft-reset. Typical examples are Netfront, Planmaker and Textmaker. After using Opera and having killed it these programs will often not start without a soft-reset.
As I said at the start it is still a good browser and so I am not mentioning the good things but these are just the glitches which seriously mar the user experience of an otherwise good product. In fact though I have a registered version I find myself using it less and less and prefering Netfront over it simply of some of the annoying bugs I mention.
Regards
I agree with smrz completely, and have suffered from the issues outlined, but I'd like to add:
- Opera 8.6 can't handle some pages very well (I'm thinking of the Yahoo pages where you need to log in). It just doesn't render them in any sort of useable fashion.
Having said this, I still use it as my main browser, and find that in combination with PIE, then I can do pretty much everything I want on the web.
Cheers,
Steve.
are there any differences between the beta version and the retail version?
1) One cannot configure it to store its Cache to SD card. There are ways around this but nothing out of the box.
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Here a post I wrote on moving cache of Opera on SD card...
http://www.planete-htc.com/index.php?mod=forum&ac=voir&cat=101&id=5514
Open opera.ini file, go to [User Prefs]. At the end of that paragraph, write that ligne
Cache Directory4=\Storage Card\x with x the folder you choosed for cache on your SD.
For french roms, Storage Card must be replaced by Carte de Stockage
Opera is not perfect, but is largely better than other mobile browers...
Thanks for the input. I'm not sure I will pay for the retail version at this point.
Re: the difference between beta version and latest retail version, I'm sure there are many and would depend on the beta version. Main one that comes to mind is that I understand the retail version has a tabbed browser interface while my old beta version does not.
I wonder if Opera mobile will ever support Java?
opera 8.5/8.6 does not support java & javascript?
what about vbscript?
Where do we copy the opera.dll
I am running a trial version. Have the cracked opera.dll file. Where do I copy this to in order to prevent the 30 days to run up?
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I am running a trial version. Have the cracked opera.dll file. Where do I copy this to in order to prevent the 30 days to run up?
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Here's an idea: how about *paying* for it? I mean, it's only $24 or about 2% the RRP of an HTC Universal. Don't try to kid yourself that circumventing anti-piracy measures is anything other than stealing. If you use a cracked copy, you are a theif.
I agree I always buy software. I have 50+ apps on my IIs and all are paid for you, shouldn't try and steal money from hard working developers who are trying to make a living.
I am finding Opera 8.60 retail to be AWESOME!
In fact, I ditched the JasJar some months ago and have been using a JAM for some time. I only bought a new JJ cos of Opera on VGA. It's rendering most pages such as my online banking (which PIE cocked up completely), it zooms perfectly, and it's just amazing! If WM5 had come out with a decent broser on day one it would have driven operator ARPU's and internet usage. Now I have google with me wherever I go. I kind of had it on my JAM, but not really with that crappy low res screen.
This is a no brainer app and worth every cent!
Piracy
Nice thinking and have no objection. But if you got something for the first time you simply dont go about splashing money around. It is only fare that I want to make use of it, see & decide. If you check 8.6 is not the latest version it is an old version. By paying I would now be getting v9 (see I checked it and am planning to) but need to see if it is what I need / want.
Stereotyping aint really good. Peace anyway....
PS: Besides doing this kind of stuff is always the best way of learning the logic, structure of how a device works. And that is my main interest in these stuff. Not getting all for free. Thanks for your comments anyway...
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Nice thinking and have no objection. But if you got something for the first time you simply dont go about splashing money around. It is only fare that I want to make use of it, see & decide. If you check 8.6 is not the latest version it is an old version. By paying I would now be getting v9 (see I checked it and am planning to) but need to see if it is what I need / want.
Stereotyping aint really good. Peace anyway....
PS: Besides doing this kind of stuff is always the best way of learning the logic, structure of how a device works. And that is my main interest in these stuff. Not getting all for free. Thanks for your comments anyway...
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yust for info...8.6(with the bug correction version 8.6u1) is the last and the only opera for ppc version ever done. Version 9 is for PC...if I'm wrong excuse me and tell me were you find the ver 9 for ppc...
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Massimo
bbaytu said:
Nice thinking and have no objection. But if you got something for the first time you simply dont go about splashing money around.
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I'm using Opera on the trial. 30 days is plenty of time to make your mind up. If you don't really use it enough to make up your mind in that time, then don't buy it. If you do, buy it. $24 really is next to nothing for a product. That wouldn't a decent sandwich, cake and a cup of tea!
It is only fare that I want to make use of it, see & decide. If you check 8.6 is not the latest version it is an old version. By paying I would now be getting v9 (see I checked it and am planning to) but need to see if it is what I need / want.
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They provide a trial for that purpose. If they didn't, I still wouldn't agree. Afterall, I can't try out a holiday before I buy it and if I don't like the terms, I can simple boycott the product.
Stereotyping aint really good. Peace anyway....
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I'd hardly call it stereotyping. Stereotyping is painting a group with a broad brush and, in doing so, encompassing more than rightfully fit the description. However, calling all pirates theives is not stereotyping as all piracy is theft.
PS: Besides doing this kind of stuff is always the best way of learning the logic, structure of how a device works. And that is my main interest in these stuff. Not getting all for free. Thanks for your comments anyway...
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I know I'm on a very high horse here, but I cannot and will not tolerate piracy. It *does* hurt people (developers, distributers, support staff, everyone in the chain and their families) and they only reason why it's not as widely regarded as wrong is because everyone knows they will more than likely get away with it. Steal Opera is no better than stealing a wallet or an item of jewellery or anything else. It's ALL theft.
I'm using an early beta that does not have the 30 day limit.
Am I stealing?
The reason I posted the question is because I am not averse to paying for a good finished product. It seems craigiecraig4 (if I have the name spelled right) would say that Opera 8.6 is a good finished product.
That is the type of opinion I was soliciting.
I think anyone who has a beta version of software on there device have in a way paid for it because they put there device on the line to test the product.
xda_guy said:
opera 8.5/8.6 does not support java & javascript?
what about vbscript?
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It does support JS but doesn't support Java.
ALL: Please DO read my web browser reviews. The vast majority of the questions asked in this thread have already been answered / explained in there.
bonisalive said:
Here a post I wrote on moving cache of Opera on SD card...
http://www.planete-htc.com/index.php?mod=forum&ac=voir&cat=101&id=5514
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An English tutorial is at http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=916&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
Menneisyys said:
It does support JS but doesn't support Java.
ALL: Please DO read my web browser reviews. The vast majority of the questions asked in this thread have already been answered / explained in there.
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Dude - your articles are GREAT! Going thro many of your past posts now...keep it up!
Yea, hi, I know what I am talking about may be impossible at this point but is there/will there ever be a way for you to swipe the movie you are watching or a picture you are viewing straight onto the screen of your tablet or computer?
Sorry if this is something that could never happen I just had to ask...and also sorry if this is the wrong section.
Currently not possible with android. However, microsoft made this a couple years back:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxk_WywMTzc
It's basically a coffee table with an integrated touch screen. CBA to explain all of it right now. But it's quite amazing
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Currently not possible with android. However, microsoft made this a couple years back:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxk_WywMTzc
It's basically a coffee table with an integrated touch screen. CBA to explain all of it right now. But it's quite amazing
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Awesome, I think google needs to focus on this as far as the placing your phone on the tablet and able to do this and that and more stores need to have that tech also so it will me super easy to do things.
I'm not going to say anything about what I've seen as I'm not sure whether or not it's confidential, but you can at least check out the trademark, as that's public.
http://www.trademarkia.com/btflick-85041412.html
I can't promise that this will ever actually materialize, but it sounds good.
I'm sure nfc will be used for this kind of thing once it's ubiquitous..
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lagaba said:
I'm sure nfc will be used for this kind of thing once it's ubiquitous..
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Ya NFC chips are starting to become more and more popular and the new WebOS tablet and phones can do something like that where you set your Palm Pre (I guess it would now be the HP Pre) on the WebOS tablet and it can transfer stuff, so far I've only seen it transfer URLs, but I'm sure the technology will catch on and later be used for other things. Just a matter of time.
I purchased this for my Archos tablet, but it did not work well. So far seems to work great with the A500.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0042W74SI
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I purchased this for my Archos tablet, but it did not work well. So far seems to work great with the A500.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0042W74SI
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Is it just me or does anyone else avoid purchasing anything without a brand name?
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I buy unbranded stuff fairly often. Many CE items end up being manufactured by a very small handful of companies and sold by a much larger handful. A small "useful but not required" item like this I'd consider a commodity item where I'd rather save money avoiding the marketing charge for a brand name. For something I need to work all the time, I'd be more likely to go for a brand name for the warranty.
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I purchased this for my Archos tablet, but it did not work well. So far seems to work great with the A500.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0042W74SI
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Just got the same keyboard. It works, but I am trying to figure out how to access such functions as back, menu and the task switcher. Have you been able to find a way to do these without hitting the icons on the status line, but from the keyboard?
Hej everybody,
I have just gotten my 950 xl. I got it very cheap. I am planning to change it with a nexus 6p. The phone self has all hardware I want, but i am afraid of software problems.
I am a android user since I have moved from Windows Mobile because android is open. I use Web browsing too much. (I use between 15-20 gb!)
Therfore it is nice to be able to block ads. Is it possible on Windows phone 10?
I am not sure why are you afraid of the software problems. Android has also awful lot flaws...
I came from IOS/Android.... and I find them both boring... my XL 950 is on its way ))
as for the Adblock , I am also looking forward to have some info about softwares like adaway...
Hopefully someone will create an ad-block extension for Edge once extension support arrives. Failing that I know Firefox for Windows 10 is at least being worked on. I'd be happy with either!
Windows phone is no go for me without adblock.
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Windows phone is no go for me without adblock.
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then it´s a no go for you because there is no adblocker for Windows Mobile
I will change it with a Nexus 6p.
zimilaci said:
I am not sure why are you afraid of the software problems. Android has also awful lot flaws...
I came from IOS/Android.... and I find them both boring... my XL 950 is on its way ))
as for the Adblock , I am also looking forward to have some info about softwares like adaway...
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You will disappoint when you get the phone.sorry to say that.because I just return mine after half day use. Suck Microsoft
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You will disappoint when you get the phone.sorry to say that.because I just return mine after half day use. Suck Microsoft
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Why what is it you did not like ?
zimilaci said:
Why what is it you did not like ?
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I was so exciting when I saw 950xl in first time feel so powerful then I pre order on nov 16 and got it on nov 25.
Phone not smooth as what I thought.
And old issue very less apps sometime loadding a app for almost two minutes. I use it about two three hours it crush two times. Just not for me this time Microsoft still need more I mean much more improve. I just don't get it Microsoft is huge company put so ****ing money on windown phone why they just put some money for improve apps.
But phone design is good.good looking even they make with plastic but you can change battery or back cover that is good.
Every 950(not the xl) review I have read were not bad neither good. I think the big next ting will be surface phone with Intel inside. Then we will be able to run .exe files. I am excited.
Any chance someone will get access to the system folders, so we can use a "Hosts" file?
The first batch of Lumia 950/950XL's seemed to be bad, mine kept crashing and that first update bricked it. The replacement has newer version of OS and runs a lot better.
While, I also like the idea of an Intel based W10M phone. Theres still the problem that Intel has never solved and will plaque any Intel Lumia/Surface phone that's released "battery life" Android may get a lot of complaints about battery life, but its still far better than an Intel based phone so far.
ZaForD said:
Any chance someone will get access to the system folders, so we can use a "Hosts" file.
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You'd need interop unlock which currently doesn't work on the 950/950XL. Unfortunately those are the only two Windows-based phones which cannot be unlocked in order to modify the hosts file.
Also, Edge in Continuum mode is badly in need of ad-blocking. Ads on some pages (cough, WindowsCentral) totally destroy the browser/system performance when using Continuum, especially since you get desktop pages (not mobile ones).
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You'd need interop unlock which currently doesn't work on the 950/950XL. Unfortunately those are the only two Windows-based phones which cannot be unlocked in order to modify the hosts file.
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Thanks for the info.
I haven't been around here for a while and I've clearly got a lot to catch up on
http://www.xda-developers.com/android-pay-no-longer-working-with-systemless-root/
It was good while it lasted...............something tells me though "is android pay working yet" will still come up in every custom ROM thread. LOL
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http://www.xda-developers.com/android-pay-no-longer-working-with-systemless-root/
It was good while it lasted...............something tells me though "is android pay working yet" will still come up in every custom ROM thread. LOL
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It is well known that this was not gonna last. Even roms devs are starting to tell people not to ask about it as the rom is rooted and they will not go out of their way to fix something like that. Most of the time people dont even really use it.
PErfect example is that all mobile payments are blocked where I live due to security reasons.
It would probably be a good idea for someone to check if this only impacts the binary trainwreck, or if it impacts ALL root... i.e., http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/root-t3231211
While I won't say that our safe open source approach can't be detected, I can say with authority that the binary is doing a heap of things that GREATLY weaken the security and cause very... dramatic... alteration to the rootfs.
If somebody were to identify how they are determining that the device is untrustworthy, I would be happy to attempt workaround with that information. However note that it isn't particularly high priority since I don't *use* android pay. Reasons I don't use it;
1) it isn't available in my country,
2) it doesn't provide a benefit since it is easier to pull my credit card (which has an nfc chip) out of my wallet than to pull this whale of a phone out of my pocket,
3) I really don't want to add an additional tracker for this information.
4) People who wave their phone around the payment terminal really look like douchebags.
If I'm going to use AP , I just boot into a non rooted ROM via multirom, is not ideal but rather do that than dragging my wallet around when going for gas, groceries, etc phone is always with me anyway, just a quick tap and done
hopefully a workaround is found to make it work with root, but is not looking good so far [emoji53]
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It's not looking good because of Google runs the check. If I read things right, Google actually runs a CTS check on the device. Failing the CTS stops Android Pay from working, and the variant of superuser used isn't likely to make any difference. The device will still fail.
There's one guy in that discussion thread ranting that this is somehow a bait-and-switch on Google's part, when it really is just Google enforcing its Terms and Conditions.
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If I'm going to use AP , I just boot into a non rooted ROM via multirom, is not ideal but rather do that than dragging my wallet around when going for gas, groceries, etc phone is always with me anyway, just a quick tap and done
hopefully a workaround is found to make it work with root, but is not looking good so far [emoji53]
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yea because dragging a wallet around or money clip is soooo difficult...a sign of the times.
sgloki77 said:
If I'm going to use AP , I just boot into a non rooted ROM via multirom, is not ideal but rather do that than dragging my wallet around when going for gas, groceries, etc phone is always with me anyway, just a quick tap and done
hopefully a workaround is found to make it work with root, but is not looking good so far [emoji53]
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Still have to carry it for your ID card. At least here you can be ticketed and fined for not carrying it. I personally hate carrying my wallet but like I stated all mobile payments are blocked here so doesnt really matter.
zelendel said:
Still have to carry it for your ID card. At least here you can be ticketed and fined for not carrying it. I personally hate carrying my wallet but like I stated all mobile payments are blocked here so doesnt really matter.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-5x/general/passing-safetynet-root-t3307659
Looks like Android Pay has a workaround for the time being. It's like a cat and mouse game.
Well that's why you get a wallet case, I mean seriously? How hard is it to pull your card out and swipe.
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4) People who wave their phone around the payment terminal really look like douchebags.
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One time, I lost my debit card, but I had Google wallet installed on my Nexus 7......
I went and bought a pack of smokes and beer with my tablet.
I looked like a douchebag.
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Well that's why you get a wallet case, I mean seriously? How hard is it to pull your card out and swipe.
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Exactly. I think people will find that mobile based payments are not something that will last very long. It's a nice gimmic but has to many security holes and almost no real benefit.
as far as I know it still works?
Google will close the latest exploit soon enough. Then I'm sure someone will find another hole to get Android Pay working, which Google will then close. Repeat ad infinitum.
Currently this latest exploit is working properly, so enjoy it while you can.
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Exactly. I think people will find that mobile based payments are not something that will last very long. It's a nice gimmic but has to many security holes and almost no real benefit.
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One of my family members tried to use an iPhone for mobile pay. After 10 tries we just swiped the plastic lol. It's a nice novelty but hardly worry the headache over using a credit card
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Exactly. I think people will find that mobile based payments are not something that will last very long. It's a nice gimmic but has to many security holes and almost no real benefit.
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Ever since they moved to the chip card payment, it takes longer than the simple swipe. Android Pay is faster than the chip reader in my opinion.
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Ever since they moved to the chip card payment, it takes longer than the simple swipe. Android Pay is faster than the chip reader in my opinion.
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Cant say much about that as most cards here still dont have the chip and the banks are not in a rush to change over.
I can still get my wallet out and swipe my card fast then the average person can do it with a mobile device I feel. Cant say for sure as all mobile payments are refused and blocked here.
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Cant say much about that as most cards here still dont have the chip and the banks are not in a rush to change over.
I can still get my wallet out and swipe my card fast then the average person can do it with a mobile device I feel. Cant say for sure as all mobile payments are refused and blocked here.
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For me it's situational. There will be a few times I'll be waiting in line and already have my phone out browsing so in that situation android pay will be faster.
From a neutral position, grabbing the card and swiping it is faster but with the new chip cards and systems it's become tedious for me. I'll pull the card and swipe it at which time it will indicate that the card is a chip card and I have to use it in the chip reader. Once inserted it takes a while before it reads it, verifies and then indicates you can remove it.
From a neutral position the chip card process is slower because of the time it takes to read the chip in the card.
Samsung has it right with it being compatible with new and old systems. I haven't read to see how consistent it is but the concept sounds better.
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For me it's situational. There will be a few times I'll be waiting in line and already have my phone out browsing so in that situation android pay will be faster.
From a neutral position, grabbing the card and swiping it is faster but with the new chip cards and systems it's become tedious for me. I'll pull the card and swipe it at which time it will indicate that the card is a chip card and I have to use it in the chip reader. Once inserted it takes a while before it reads it, verifies and then indicates you can remove it.
From a neutral position the chip card process is slower because of the time it takes to read the chip in the card.
Samsung has it right with it being compatible with new and old systems. I haven't read to see how consistent it is but the concept sounds better.
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See you may have a bit of an edge there. Here most places have signs that say to make sure to have your cell phone put away when you come to the counter or they will not serve you.
Samsung pay doesnt work here either, as retailers keep the machine behind the reg so all none cash payments have to go through the cashier.
There is one bank here that has moved to the chip. But they just sent out a letter saying they were sending out chipless cards due to lack of interest or usage.
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See you may have a bit of an edge there. Here most places have signs that say to make sure to have your cell phone put away when you come to the counter or they will not serve you.
Samsung pay doesnt work here either, as retailers keep the machine behind the reg so all none cash payments have to go through the cashier.
There is one bank here that has moved to the chip. But they just sent out a letter saying they were sending out chipless cards due to lack of interest or usage.
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That's very interesting, thought they had to because there was a law passed for merchants, but eh, we'll never catch up to the rest of the world cause quite frankly...we're either lazy, can't wait 5 seconds for a card to read, or don't want to upgrade anything, Ahhh, the American way