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How close are we to DD Gingerbread?

Firstly, I'd like to make the standard "I love our devs" statement. When I first purchased my Vibrant, I loved the hardware, and absolutely hated the software.
Freezing, glitching music, non functional GPS, you name it; a myriad of issues. Then I flashed my first ROM, and fell in love with it. You guys turn a very mediocre phone, into arguably one of the best phones available, including what's been released after.
This post is more out of curiosity than anything. I currently have Darkies 2.2.1 ROM and it runs like a dream-
How far are we, realistically speaking, to a stable Gingerbread ROM? I follow the current Gingerbread alpha rom threads, and it seems like they aren't making a whole lot of progress. I assume this is because of roadblocks? What is keeping us from moving forward with a Gingerbread rom? Do we need the source released?
Thanks guys.

CM7 beta is now out for the Vibrant. However, that's not what's got me the most excited. The i9000 has recently got a gingerbread ROM leaked from Samsung. This should mean we should see the forums flooded with gingerbread ROMs in the coming days/weeks as soon as somebody can port the kernel over to the vibrant.

i'd say the cm7 is dd-able. no gps is the only real problem i've had, which isn't enough for me to go back to nongingerbread. the external sd doesn't mount, either, but i never used it anyway.... otherwise, sound works, haven't had a problem with data/calls/reboots, camera and video recording work, etc.

funeralthirst said:
i'd say the cm7 is dd-able. no gps is the only real problem i've had, which isn't enough for me to go back to nongingerbread. the external sd doesn't mount, either, but i never used it anyway.... otherwise, sound works, haven't had a problem with data/calls/reboots, camera and video recording work, etc.
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I would go out on a limb here and say that this is pretty close...

It might be a while before it gets to be a care free DD. The whitehawx and CM iterations both work in theory but they are still pretty raw in terms of total useability.
I say give it a while and we'll see more true GB progress.
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Like I said, the leaked i9000 2.3.2 ROM should have a great effect on the 2.3 GB ROM dev community for the Vibrant.

CM7 is my dd right now, and it actually seems more stable than any other rom I've tried (I had reboots and lockups with bionix when using gps). The tower-based location isn't as accurate as real gps, but is good enough for pulling up directions most of the time. Gps is also supposedly fixed on github, but I think they were saying to hold off on flashing anything from github until they get some issue with the new touchkey driver sorted out.

What are the benefits of GB over Froyo as a daily driver at this point. From what I've read, there's not likely to be any significant performance increase and most of the new features are minor. Other than the cosmetic differences, what's so bad about being stuck on Froyo?

Shrivel said:
What are the benefits of GB over Froyo as a daily driver at this point. From what I've read, there's not likely to be any significant performance increase and most of the new features are minor. Other than the cosmetic differences, what's so bad about being stuck on Froyo?
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nothing is bad about being stuck on froyo. i thought people making a big deal about the lock screen animation were being ridiculous, but it really is damn cool. it's just the little things like that, just like it's the little things that make you like a certain rom over another.
that, and 'why not'? they keep making new versions, and we'll keep finding a way to get it on our phones.

i went on i9000 forum and flashed insanity 7.1 gingerbread and it ran fine ...makes me thin we are soooo colse to get it on vibrant hmmmm i say two more weeks ......thats what methink.

bartek25 said:
i went on i9000 forum and flashed insanity 7.1 gingerbread and it ran fine ...makes me thin we are soooo colse to get it on vibrant hmmmm i say two more weeks ......thats what methink.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=976318
pretty much there

[Q] Honeycomb v4--PhireMod--???

I have a nook that currently has the Honeycomb v4 ROM running on eMMc...and for what it is I've been pretty happy with it. However, I've hoped that fairly soon there would be a full-fledged working Honeycomb version for the Nook since Xoom is out, etc...but I'm a little concerned that it seems all Honeycomb versions and development seems to have stalled, if not died. I haven't seen anything new in a long time.
Maybe we're still waiting for the AOSP to be released, but I would like to eventually have Flash and anything else that would run by default on a full-fledged Android 3 tablet, if the genius developers would grace us all with such a ROM. In a worst case, I don't want to be orphaned with what I have now and have to give up and drop back to the latest Nook 1.2 version if I can avoid it.
So, does anyone have any news about Android 3 on the Nook---is anyone still working toward this---if so/when?
Also, I'm curious about what other ROM's may be out there that are as good as the recent 1.2 update...have Flash, etc...if any. I've looked at the 4/29 Phiremod 6.2/ CM 7.0.2 which sounds pretty slick, so I'd appreciate any comments about it and how it looks or compares to the Honeycomb version, etc. I'm up for any suggestions.
Thanks,
JTT

Devs can't do anything with honeycomb till the Source is Released, and google has not stated when that will be

Its like this:
-Google hasn't released Honeycomb source, and said they won't until it is integrated with the cellphone branch (which will be a new version - Ice Cream Sandwich)
-The CM7 developers can't work on a Android OS without a source code to modify for the Nook Color
-Much work was done on CM7 (Gingerbread) to give it some of the best parts of Honeycomb- softkeys on the status bar
-Once the source for a tablet Android OS is released the large community of the Nook Color almost guarantees a port, as much work has been done to leave that option open
-We will know a better timeline after this:
http://www.google.com/events/io/2011/
-There is work on a newer SDK port:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1062626

jttraverse said:
I have a nook that currently has the Honeycomb v4 ROM running on eMMc...and for what it is I've been pretty happy with it. However, I've hoped that fairly soon there would be a full-fledged working Honeycomb version for the Nook since Xoom is out, etc...but I'm a little concerned that it seems all Honeycomb versions and development seems to have stalled, if not died. I haven't seen anything new in a long time.
Maybe we're still waiting for the AOSP to be released, but I would like to eventually have Flash and anything else that would run by default on a full-fledged Android 3 tablet, if the genius developers would grace us all with such a ROM. In a worst case, I don't want to be orphaned with what I have now and have to give up and drop back to the latest Nook 1.2 version if I can avoid it.
So, does anyone have any news about Android 3 on the Nook---is anyone still working toward this---if so/when?
Also, I'm curious about what other ROM's may be out there that are as good as the recent 1.2 update...have Flash, etc...if any. I've looked at the 4/29 Phiremod 6.2/ CM 7.0.2 which sounds pretty slick, so I'd appreciate any comments about it and how it looks or compares to the Honeycomb version, etc. I'm up for any suggestions.
Thanks,
JTT
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I was in the same boat so I installed Phiremod (CM7 with a cool theme) which is awesome.
The thing I originally didn't like about CM7 compared to Honeycomb was the location of the soft back button. HC made much more sense because it was designed for tablets without buttons. CM7 now includes "tablet tweaks" which is switched on by default. This tweaks move the status bar to the bottom and add good soft buttons on the left side of the bottom (by default...they can be moved around). The tweaks along with Flash support and the fact that Google announced it will be a while before HC is added to AOSP tipped the scale to CM7 for me.
Pros of Honeycomb:
New interface that is more like a PC than a phone (contrary to Steve Job's "tablets are post-PC devices" lol)
Great email client and widget
Awesome native browser
Everybody thinks you are cool because you have HC running on an eReader (women were just throwing themselves at me so my wife made me switch lol)
Pros of CM7
99.9% of everything works. Most problems with HC for the Nook were problems that HC has on other devices but they are still problems. Gingerbread is much more mature.
Bluetooth is working. People say it only works for short distances. I never wander too far from my keyboard so I am not sure.
Tablet tweaks allow most of the cool UI functionality that is included with honeycomb.
I am not sure if HC v4 includes hardware acceleration but Flash and other videos work better on CM7.
I recommend using both. Flash CM7 to your primary partition and if you want to use Honeycomb, set up dual boot and flash HC to your second partition or run HC from an SD card.
I also recommend trying the Stock 1.2 ROM. You won't be happy with it after using honeycomb and CM7 but it is worth a look because it is quite nice for somebody with no technical knowledge like my mother.

Activity is definitely picking up on the new port. I would keep an eye on the post and I'm betting within a couple of days, it will be fairly stable and worth flashing.
SDK Honeycomb New Port

Thanks to all...I'll take the advice..
Thanks all, these were some very thought-out and helpful responses...even if I have to decide whether I want the women throwing them at me over having HC4 on my Nook, or whether I want to have my Nook do the most that it can for now
(...I just know I'll have to do a dual boot since it's all about the nook..er, or is that nookie..oh nevermind...
Thanks for the info on Google and the AOSP as well...
-JT

you make having HC on your NC sound like driving a porsche... I wish it were that easy!

BEst Honeycomb EMMC Rom?

I have been looking for a Honeycomb rom for a while now and I can't find one that I can get to boot. All the ones I have tried don't work. I have wiped all partitions, tried wiping all but boot, but have still not found a reliable HC rom. Any help will be appreciated.

Sigh... honeycomb will never work. If you want to know the reason why take a look at the section Why you shouldn't use honeycomb in the link in my sig.
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So far, running Honeycomb or the WIP Ice Cream Sandwich isn't worth it yet for DD.
Honeycomb is a hijacked rom, based on hacked SDK modules, thus being somewhat outdated and buggy, while ICS is a WIP, still lacking a lot of the things a DD OS needs.
If you really want a Tablet-oriented OS for Nook, I suggest you wait until Dalingrin and Fattire finished their work on CM9 ICS for our Nook Color.
But to be honest, just go for CM7 for now, it has a whole bunch of Tablet Tweaks included that will make it act and feel a lot more like Honeycomb / ICS, including the necessary softbuttons you will need.
Furthermore, if you install Nook Tweaks from the Market, then you can increase the power levels on the Speaker and Earphone Plug, increasing the (way too low) volume of the Nook to be acceptable.
Also... there aren't a whole bunch of Tablet-optimized Apps out yet... just check the Android Market with a 3.0+ Device and you will see what I mean...
One way or another, you will be falling back to 2.X Generation Applications, simply because there ain't a 3.0+ Tablet Version of it just yet...
Sorry, that was a somewhat long answer for something that should have been simple... Stick to CM7 for now, you won't regret it.

ICS - what's the biggy?

When I bought the Xoom last year I installed the latest Tiamat rom (now Nandroid' at 2.2.2) and it ran really well, although the limitations of the hardware occasionally reared it's ugly head; I guess tablets can't come close to laptops at the mo now matter what mega ROM is installed.
I'm running Miui on an HTC DHD and it is an AWESOME Rom and nothing at all like vanilla Honeycomb, just on another level. I was hoping that when ICS came out there would be something similar for the Xoom. So I waited like a hungry dog for ICS to land and a stable(ish) build to come out and have now tried both EOS and Kang CM9 and both run well but how are they so vastly different from Vanilla ICS? I do really appreciate all the effort that's gone into getting these roms to us but if they're the same (or similar) in terms of looks, performance, usability etc what's the advantage with ICS over Honeycomb apart from a pretty small performance upgrade? Sure ICS does look a little different but only a bit, nothing drastic.....so can someone who knows more about these things tell me, what's the biggy with ICS?
Perhaps I'm expecting too much here but it seems a lot like the forums just got crazy giddy waiting for ICS to come out so then whipped themselves up into a lather (for maybe no valid reason) and that now the insanely mad push to get ICS working efficiently across the Android universe is more of a case of why man went to the Moon?.....because it's there, not because we needed to.

I think your sort of neglecting the big picture. Your looking at it from the perspective of someone who is already running Honeycomb on your Xoom. I think if you were running a HP Touchpad (for example) with Gingerbread you would be warming up a lot closer to ICS. Not every tablet has honeycomb on it so lets face it you are spoiled by the Xooms OS.
Oh and ICS has some nice features for example I can remove app from the recent app list by dragging it out of the list.

HC was a beta; ICS is a stable release
GrandMasterPlank said:
what's the advantage with ICS over Honeycomb apart from a pretty small performance upgrade?
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Its not small by any means. The performance increase is night and day.
A lot of the hype in general for ICS is for previous gingerbread users. Its a huge change for them in terms of UI. For honeycomb users, ICS is more like finally getting a stable release of the OS; honeycomb was IMO a beta test. Limited to tablets (which was a pretty small portion of Android users) and very buggy with quite a bit of work that needed to be done. Now we have a full release with some nice new features, proper performance and support for tablets and phones.
As for the custom roms, I'm pretty certain stock ICS Xooms don't have face unlock. The EOS settings are nice as well as built-in overclocking. I'm sure somewhere down the line the ad-hoc support will be sorted out and I remember reading a post by one of the EOS devs that they haven't even begun to work on performance optimization so this ROM could get even faster/smoother/better on battery.

The biggest reason to move is that ICS actually takes advantage of your second (or more) cores more efficiently than HC 3.x ever did.
Gingerbread for the most part, will not utilize a 2nd core at all even if you had one. That 2nd core would sit there idle. AFAIK.
So, ICS on Xoom is a huge boost in performance. You can see this as you use the device. Lag is completely removed from almost all tasks. With EOS Wingray/Stingray, you can even over clock to get even more performance out of the old Tegra 2.

Stability, smoothness in the UI, and overall polish. The browser is also WORLDS better.

+1 on previous comments RE: smoothness, performance. I was able to start playing with official ICS a couple of Thursdays ago when it rolled onto my Xoom as I was introducing myself to my nursing students.
AFAIK, and have tested, read/write to "external" SD card issue is partially fixed from the standpoint of apps directing r/w to the actual name Xoom gives the ext SD... with HC, the only way I could get it working was by using the File Manager for Honeycomb (can't recall the dev's name off the top of my head). Now, as more devs are updating their apps for ICS tablet compatibility, some are making the change and some aren't.
~ BereanPK

anyone knows when the 3g version in europe will get ics?

Well for one thing we won't really see all the benefits of ICS for awhile.
Remember ICS is the attempt to standardize App compatability between Phone and Tablets.
Until more phones get ICS we won't truly see the entire benefit of it.
And it's still relatively new and not fully fleshed out by the community yet.
They are still struggling with getting it up and running on devices (like ours which Team EOS is doing a great job with!)
HC was specifically written for Dual Proc units.
ICS' main goal is to support ANY number of internal procs which is a boon to Single proc devices and future multicore devices.
It also allows consistency of OS so that cheaper android tablets can be made. I can see single proc bargain Tablets on the way soon now that ICS doesn't care how many cores you have!
And the fact that it runs on phones and tablets just means easier coding for App developers because they can write one set of code to work on EVERY android device and have better compatability.
ICS was a very smart move by Google and provided the Manufacturers don't mess it up with bloatware creating problems we are all better off having it!
I don't think ICS has even scratched the surface of what it can do!
HC may be a bit more mature and stable but thats only because it's been in development longer...ICS will get there and more!

Should Jelly Bean have been ICS v.4.1?

So, now that we've had JB on our KF for about a month, I'm wondering why Google made 4.1 Jelly Bean, instead of just updating ICS to v4.1. Don't get me wrong, JB is fine but aside from Google Now, I don't see any real benefits of JB over ICS. I guess it's nice that on some JB roms, you can have either a tablet or phone ui but I just have the rom I'm using on tablet and haven't had any need to switch to phone. I'm on twa_priv's CM10 SGT7 rom and it runs great but so did his CM9 rom.
I guess it's no big deal but you would think that to go from ICS to JB, the corresponding version number would be Android 5.x. but IMO, I don't think this "update" warranted going up a full version number, or from ICS to JB. In my everyday use, I really don't see a difference between the two. Google talks about Project Butter, well ICS ran damn smooth for me, so I'm really not noticing the butter.
To sum it up, while there's nothing really wrong with JB, for me, it's pretty underwhelming to be considered a major revision update. Any and all opinions are welcome, especially those pointing out specific JB features/benefits that I'm not seeing.
Mike T

There's enough changes under the hood for it to be a newer version.

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There's enough changes under the hood for it to be a newer version.
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That's a very general statement. What are some of these changes that may make a difference to allow it to be a whole new version, as opposed to an updated version of ICS?
Mike T

Because it sounds better from a marketing stand point?
I see your point that to a front end user not an whole lot of differences. But I think they did a lot of optimization and performance enhancements that the developers considered to be worthy of an upgraded OS rather than a patch to the old version.
Sent from my CM10 KF w/ Tapatalk

sweeds said:
Because it sounds better from a marketing stand point?
I see your point that to a front end user not an whole lot of differences. But I think they did a lot of optimization and performance enhancements that the developers considered to be worthy of an upgraded OS rather than a patch to the old version.
Sent from my CM10 KF w/ Tapatalk
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Very good point re: Marketing. I would think Google introducing the Nexus 7 with something "different" in JB makes sense. For me, after playing around with it and looking through the file structures, it feels like an updated ICS with a nicer notifications interface and a cool new killer app in Google Now. IMO, there's very little difference both visually and performance-wise from ICS. Maybe rightfully so, because ICS is a very good OS on its own.
I'm all for progression and I think that Google Now has tons of potential. GN is a big selling point for me with JB, I just hope that Hashcode, or some other programming genius finds a way to get a mic working, so we can take advantage of its capabilities. Of course, regardless, I'll still want to be on the cutting edge, using the latest and greatest OS...unless it's a total dud!:laugh:
Mike T

I think that between Project Butter, new notifications and Google Now that there's enough to call it a new version ie JB, but it's just not big a change according to google for a major version change, just a minor one.
Just imagine what's going to be needed for the next major version change