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Nexus One Experience with Rogers in Western Canada.

Hello Folks,
I am posting this thread after a very long time on XDA as I was not using any HTC device.I was using Iphone since it was launched in USA.Now I bought 3 nexus one for me and my family with very high hopes but after iserting my simcard into it since last week I am very much disappoined.beside other samll issues like less responsive touch screen the problem I am having is a cellular signal. I am using this phone in the same area where I was using my 3gs phone and it was giving me full bars.And with nexus one I am having a really hard time to get signals some time even no signal and my calls are being missed/droped.I believe due to this problem battey life of the device is not impressive. And that was the main reason of quitting Iphone as I wanted multitasking device with better bettery life.I spoke to nexus one support line for few times their response was good but I it did not help me as I am having same problem although they offered me to replace device.but the thing is I already have 3 devices and if they are giving me same problem.
All I am hopping is a new upgrade to fix this issuse and I have no idea if this gona be fixed with the software upgrade?.
Idea of this thread is to get feedback from other folks using ATT/Rogers version of Nexus one specially in Canada/Western Canada.And any advise /help form my experts folks in this respect.
Your taking time in reading this is much appreciated.
May Almighty Bless you all.
Thanks.

Unfortunately what they're saying is:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/22/google-no-longer-investigating-fix-for-nexus-one-3g-issues-ad/
I'm in Manitoba, Canada, this is my first 3G phone so I don't have much to compare to. I've had maybe a couple calls dropped, but doesn't seem that bad...
However, I did try using the app called Antennas and everywhere in my city it always says "3g support is very limited"

I'm in western Canada using the Nexus One as well, and I too switched from an iPhone 3G. My initial impression was similar to your's where I felt like the touch screen wasn't as responsive and signal not as strong. As time passed I quickly forgot about all that and with the exception of the awkward response area of the bottom buttons, I'm starting to think that the N1's touchscreen is actually better for some stuff. I still wish Android had inertial scrolling with the snap-back effect like the iPhone though.
When Opera Mini came out for the iPhone I put my sim card back into it so that I could try it out, and after the end of the day I couldn't wait to get back to the N1. I don't know about your usage, but when I have push Gmail setup on the iPhone I can't make it through a day without on a single charge, so I think the N1 battery is much better.
Signal strength felt poor at first, but I think that's just because of how it's reported by each phone. The iPhone seems much more generous and will show more bars for the same signal strength as the N1. The only thing that still bugs me now is how much effect my hand has when holding the phone near the bottom. Never did I have to think about hand placement with the iPhone, but I've adapted to that now.

Im from western canada too, medicine hat to be exact. I, as you all, came from an iphone. I had a 16gb 3gs. Where i work the receiption is horrible. With the iphone i would have to have the phone placed on a certain corner of my desk to make sure i got signal.
With the nexus, its slightly better. I get minimum signal but its constant thoughout my office.
Compaired to a iphone, this phone is the cats meow. I love the nexus and will never be returning to an iphone again. It has a better screen, more responsive touch, is fully customizable and i get ~28 hours of battery. Thats right, 28 hours. Not 6 if im lucky like the iphone.

I have the AT&T N1 which also supports Rogers and I am on Fido in Vancouver,
(it also uses Roger's network) ,
Mine experience with the signal is awesome in my case, 95% of the time i am getting H, and 5% of the time it drops to 3G (mostly when I am doing nothing) but will quickly switch back to H when I start to use it again. I have not seen it with E yet.
I have tried it with WCDMA perfered, WCDMA only, now I am on GSM Auto(PRL) and it doesn't make any differences on internet speed according to my speedtest app, it's usually around 1Mb ~1.4Mb....occasionaly it drops to 600kb for one test.
The only problem I have is I am unable to achieve the 1% / hour battery drop rate some people are claiming even with the help with juicedefender and UV/AVS kernels......

Hi Folks ,
I really appreciate all of you for your feedback and advise.I hope that more peoples will share their experience here.One thing I would also like to share is that I am using home rom and did not go for bootloader unlocking and on my phone problem I have is with the cellular signal.my data signal is always on 3g as I am in city of Calgary.My son got his nexus one bootloader unlocked and installed ceynogen 5.06 rom installed I used his phone aslo for a day and only difference I noticed is that it shows "H" when u do browsing on data and otherwise is stay 3g.but with home it always show " 3G " sign and never to to "H" .but when you check details of connection it tell you that it is connected HSDPA.
If anyone else noticed the same? or anyone else getting H sign with home rom?
your views/experience regarding Home vs Ceynogen rom are also appreciated.
I am still looking for the actual benifit of having ceynogen rom over home?as I did not see any difference.
Thanks once again.

My Bell service sucks, but it's Bell so it normally sucks anyways.

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If anyone else noticed the same? or anyone else getting H sign with home rom?
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No, that's been discussed a lot. The stock rom never shows an H. And the custom roms only show an H when actually downloading data. Otherwise it always idles on 3G.
On your stock it does the same, idles on 3G, and switches to H for download. But there is no icon for it.

Why are you posting the same thing it two different forums?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=676479
Anyway, on the stock ROM the 3G icon doesn't change to H like it does on cyanogen and others. It still connects at the same speeds though.

yeh, I am posting in two different forums, as I was not sure where to go.Thanks for your feedback.Its helping me a lot.
Thanks once again.

Only other phones I have to compare to are my Curve 8900 and my HTC Magic. With ANY phone in my apartment there are areas with shoddy reception due to having concrete walls in an older building. To be honest with you my N1 has been the same, if not better than any of my other phones in this building. In the hall, it's inevitable that it will cut off. In my apartment I can get reception anywhere, which is more than I can say for my girlfriend's Samsung and some other friend's phones in the building. We all use Rogers, by the way. And I'm in Toronto.
Not that there was a whole lot of differences, if any, in manufacturing as time went on (aside from the whole dust under the screen issues), but.. when did you get your N1's?
Jim

Vibrant 3G problem: DL slow and much slower then UL

And download is also much slower compared to other brands. Upload is always very fast (but who the hell needs it fast?). All things are upside down! It must be DL>>UL, but in addition to low DL speed we have DL<<UL !!!
This happen when it's the city with DL/UL speeds are in the 100-1000 Kbps range. If we in the cities with the advanced speeds in 1000-5000 Kbps range everything is normal, the DL>>UL
Do you have such strange unusual DL/UL discrepancy with DL<<UL?
Example of bad upside down DL/UL: 300 Kbps/800 Kbps
Example of good one: 800 Kbps/300 Kbps or 5000 Kbps/1500 Kbps
Have you noticed upside down DL/UL numbers in "bad" tests? DL must be larger
I've ran three Vibrant phones at the same place and time in the city where there is no good 3G speed.
Two of them are unusually painfully slow with download while upload is blazingly (relatively) fast. I was getting 100-300 kbps DL and 800-900 Kbps UL.
High speed UL indicates that we are close to the tower and having good signal but still the download speed unexpectedly sucks
Build date for slow phones is 07/07/2010, will double check tomorrow about faster one.
I use free Speedtest.net application from the Market.
Please do the test !

I get about the same speeds on this as I did on my N900.

Yes, that's what i call "good" case above: the "good" towers, latest equipment and great signal strengths. In such areas my Vibrant is also fine. Problem is in near "bad" towers which are still a majority of the country

seems normal to me since I've had the same type of speeds on both my hd2 and vibrant in areas where 3g quality is known to be poor.
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ryan562 said:
seems normal to me since I've had the same type of speeds on both my hd2 and vibrant in areas where 3g quality is known to be poor.
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My tests were in the T-Mo shop and we ran different other brand phones, including older ones. All of them were 2-3 times faster on download (and similar or somewhat slower on upload) compared to "bad" Vibrant phones! The one which was "good" Vibrant phone, was similarly fast to other brands.
Same story as i described it above is also in my house where i know the speed range in great details. HD2 shows 800-950 Kbps download speed, Vibrant 250-350 kbps. Near the good tower with 5 Mbps max speeds both of them are equal and work fine, the DL >>UL like it should be. So we probably have some sensitivity issues with Vibrant 3G radios or their settings at low signals

I use the Speedtest dot net application from the Market.
The web based one does not work because needs latest Flash

I have gotten similar dl slower than ul, when my bars are at 1, but most of the time I am very happy with my download speed.
I have gotten over 5Mbs dl with full bars.

The 3G reception on my phone has been quite unpredictable.
I live in the best 3G coverage area in my city. I'm blanketed in T-Mo towers on every side. Inside my house, if I don't touch the phone, I pull down 5Mbps+, and Upload at ~2-3Mbps. It's fast enough to tether and use as my primary connection. Latency is ~35-50ms. I can stream Hulu with no hiccups.
However, if I so much as touch the back of the device with a single finger, the 3G drops until it reverts to EDGE. This is with a silicon case, and I can replicate it every time.
So, that's super annoying. I don't know why this would happen, to be honest.
On top of those problems, I have occasionally run into the issues where my uploads are super fast (~3Mbps), but my downloads are miserable (~0.2Mbps). This usually happens in bigger buildings.

With 3G and 4 bars i get 726/1288 Dl/UL, it has been like that every since I received my phone. Albeit I have only used my phone in a small area so far. Tmobile coverage map says I should be able to take advantage of the HSPA+ speeds, but who knows how accurate those things are.

Have you tried to going in to the mobile network settings and resetting them?
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My tests were in the T-Mo shop and we ran different other brand phones, including older ones. All of them were 2-3 times faster on download (and similar or somewhat slower on upload) compared to "bad" Vibrant phones! The one which was "good" Vibrant phone, was similarly fast to other brands.
Same story as i described it above is also in my house where i know the speed range in great details. HD2 shows 800-950 Kbps download speed, Vibrant 250-350 kbps. Near the good tower with 5 Mbps max speeds both of them are equal and work fine, the DL >>UL like it should be. So we probably have some sensitivity issues with Vibrant 3G radios or their settings at low signals
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ryan562 said:
Have you tried to going in to the mobile network settings and resetting them?
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I do not see what we can change there besides roaming. The network is T-mob own one.

I've also noticed my up speed is 2-3x higher than my down speed. Kind of strange. I will have to remember to test it more when I am in different areas.

I get the same results sometimes. Most of the times I am getting download speeds greater than 4 Mb/s in HSPA+ coverage. Last night I decided to do a speed test with my Vibrant and my wifes MyTouch Slide. Both of them yielded the same exact results. I tested them 5 times in the same area and all 5 times I got around 350kb/s download and 1100kb/s upload.
Guess it's the network and not the phone.

Tmo 3g speeds...

OK, so before this phone I previously had a vibrant and then the mytouch4g. I live in a so called 4g area. The nexus s seems right in line with my vibrant and I can get a tick under 6mbps down. The upload here is faster on my nexus than the vibrant or the mytouch, at around 1.7mbps. The mytouch at Max could pull about 7.5mbps. I can't remember if I ever got more than that. I'm not making this threat to complain about the speeds of this phone.
My question is, if this phones radio can get a theoretical Max of 7.2mbps download, is that an unrealistic number even when the tower can pump out higher speeds? For example, the mytouch has a Max of 14.4mbps but even in a 4g area it never pulled down close to that. I'm thinking the speed of the radio is like alot of things where you have the theoretical Max and then you have the functional limit. Am I wrong saying that? Has anyone gotten a 7mbps download speed off the phone? Or conversely, if anyone has owned a g2 or mytouch4g, have you reached speeds anywhere close to those maxes? Is tmo even pumping out that much bandwidth yet?
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Jayrod1980 said:
OK, so before this phone I previously had a vibrant and then the mytouch4g. I live in a so called 4g area. The nexus s seems right in line with my vibrant and I can get a tick under 6mbps down. The upload here is faster on my nexus than the vibrant or the mytouch, at around 1.7mbps. The mytouch at Max could pull about 7.5mbps. I can't remember if I ever got more than that. I'm not making this threat to complain about the speeds of this phone.
My question is, if this phones radio can get a theoretical Max of 7.2mbps download, is that an unrealistic number even when the tower can pump out higher speeds? For example, the mytouch has a Max of 14.4mbps but even in a 4g area it never pulled down close to that. I'm thinking the speed of the radio is like alot of things where you have the theoretical Max and then you have the functional limit. Am I wrong saying that? Has anyone gotten a 7mbps download speed off the phone? Or conversely, if anyone has owned a g2 or mytouch4g, have you reached speeds anywhere close to those maxes? Is tmo even pumping out that much bandwidth yet?
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closest ive gotten on my nexus is 6.5 down and 3 up

Wow that's an amazing upload speed!
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Wow that's an amazing upload speed!
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And i by no means live in a small city.
Corona is 30-40 mins from LA, population like 160,000 people. so it isnt some podunk town

Damn you live in corona and get those speeds? I'm down in temecula, but on ATT. I see around 3 Mbps but have been thinking of switching.
Anyway theoretical max is most always limited by the backhaul to the tower, depending on how many T1 or more connections it has. But you should be able to get pretty damn close to max if all things were right in the perfect conditions.

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Damn you live in corona and get those speeds? I'm down in temecula, but on ATT. I see around 3 Mbps but have been thinking of switching.
Anyway theoretical max is most always limited by the backhaul to the tower, depending on how many T1 or more connections it has. But you should be able to get pretty damn close to max if all things were right in the perfect conditions.
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ya the speeds out here are pretty damn good

You will definitely run into the limit of the processor using SpeedTest.
You can show this if your home DSL / cable is fast enough. I get 17-19Mbps down and .9mbps up over WiFi through my DSL (Free, in France, ASDL 2+, and I live 800m from my CO in Paris, I'm using WiFi N from an AirPort Extreme) using my MacBook Pro (core i7, 8GB RAM so it can take it. ), running SpeedTest to a Paris server in Chrome. Using the same WiFi, I can get up to 8.5mbps down and .9 up on my Nexus S, connecting to the same server through the SpeedTest App.
I therefore know that while my connection can support much higher speeds, the phone's hardware/software can't handle them. For reference, an iPhone 4, right next to the NS, pulls up to 6.9mbps down. My N1 can do about 6.5 at best, and my old faithful milestone at stock clocking couldn't do better than about 4.5. Given that the Hummingbird processor in the NS is at 1ghz, and the hardware-similar iPhone's A4 (the GPU, much better in the NS as a SGX540 versus the iPhone's SGX535, isn't engaged at all by speedtest) is running at roughly 750-800mhz, those scores seem to indicate that the processor is the bottleneck with this test on these devices. Idem for the N1 versus the Moto - it is generally 1.4x to 1.5x faster with most CPU kinds of stuff compared to the Milestone, and the 6.5 to 4.5 ratio tends to follow that. I can't tell you why the N1 is slower consistently than the iPhone 4 at this test over WiFi, but it most definitely is.
Over 3G, I get wildly variant service all over Paris. I've seen up to 6mbps with the iPhone 4, the NS, and the N1, and up to (still) about 4.5 with the Milestone.
3G radio signal is something else entirely - the Moto is by far the best, then the NS, and then you have to fall a long, long way before you get to the iPhone and the N1.

San Fernando Valley here.
Never seen more than 3Mb/s on the NS on the down side, usually 1.5-2Mb/s on the up. My N1 in the same locations routinely pulled 4Mb/s down, about 1.5-2Mbs up. Highest I recall ever seeing is 4.4Mb/s on the N1 down.
One thing I've noticed with the Speedtest app is that the default server for me, Los Angeles, is often very slow for all devices. I can pull faster speeds if I test against Bullhead City or other Az cities.
I concur with @big_adventure that the phone's software seems to limit it rather than the wireless technology. I'm on a 30Mb/s FIOS line at the house, the laptop gets 32 down, 20 up, the Nexus S on the same WiFi node maxes out 12Mb/s down and 7Mb/s up.
I'll try to run some tests today to see if my N1 can still get the 4Mb/s speeds it used to average at my office. I'll also run some tethering tests and see what the laptop can pull over the tether for comparison.

running speed tests on a mobile phone, the bottleneck is ALWAYS the mobile hardware. the combination of cpu, memory type and speed, are ALWAYS the bottleneck when speed testing on a phone. so its the whole package that matters. maybe the nexus 1 has slower RAM memory but faster CPU, but the iphone 4 has slower CPU but faster memory, etc.

I'm getting 2.7-3.8mbs download and ~1.7 upload(never seems to change much) here in different parts of North Dallas.

I just did about a dozen tests between the two phones (Nexus S and Nexus 1), from my office, where I used to get 4.0Mb/s on the N1 in Speedtest app on the phone.
I ran a couple of tests against 3 different servers (Los Angeles, Lake Havasu, Bullhead City) on each phone, and again on my laptop tethered via wifi hotspot to the Nexus S.
I threw in a few extra tests on the NS after a reboot of the phone (to swap the sim back and forth between the two phones).
The results were pretty much the same for each method.
I peaked out at 2.9Mb/s down on both phones, and 2.8Mb/s on the tethered laptop.
Upload speeds more interesting, the Nexus One maxed out at 1.3Mb/s on every test to every servier, the Nexus S got 1.7Mb/s on every test to every server, and on the tethered laptop as well.
Both phones show full bars and 3G and I used the Antennas app from the Market to confirm that both phones were connected to the same cell tower.
Perhaps not the best field testing, but good enough to show me that if either phone has an advantage over the other, in my area, it's actually the NS because it's getting 40% faster uploads and comparable downloads.
It also shows me that my fears that the NS wasn't getting the 4.0Mb/s I am used to in this location is not because of the device, it seems to be a change in the quality of service here.
As a final point of interest, I ran the same tests using my iPhone 4 on AT&T. Averaged about 1.9Mb/s on the down, 1.0 on the up. This was interesting because this phone was averaging 2.6-ish down last time I tested it here. It seems that both AT&T and T-Mo aren't serving up what they used to here near the Van Nuys Airport.
This also speaks to what I've said consistently about T-Mo vs AT&T...when I can get service from T-Mo it's much faster than what AT&T gives me, but the problem with T-Mo is too many areas that I can't get signal from them around here where AT&T is available on the phone.

Tethering N10 to N4 -- slow speeds

I'm running AOKP M2 on both devices. N4 is on T-Mobile's G4 network. The N10 gets <1Mb down (full bandwidth at my house is 4-5Mb, but this happens in areas where it's 15+). Both my laptop and my old HTC Vivid get full bandwidth. Bluetooth tethering is no better than Wi-Fi. However none of the uploads speeds are affected.
Must be on the N10 side. There's never any problem with connectivity, just lousy speeds. Any ideas?
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Anyone else having slow WiFi connection speeds?

I have been having issues with my phone where it seems to get VERY slow speeds on my home WiFi.
All other devices get very high speeds (eg. Laptop 300+ Mbps, OneplusOne 105Mbps, Nexus 5 60Mbps, Nexus 7 70Mbps).
My Moto X Pure though, for some reason, often gets very unstable speeds varying from 5Mbps to 40Mbps. There is rare occasion when it gets full speeds of 160+ Mbps, but not often.
Anyone else experiencing awkward slowness? It sucks when updating larger apps.

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I have been having issues with my phone where it seems to get VERY slow speeds on my home WiFi.
All other devices get very high speeds (eg. Laptop 300+ Mbps, OneplusOne 105Mbps, Nexus 5 60Mbps, Nexus 7 70Mbps).
My Moto X Pure though, for some reason, often gets very unstable speeds varying from 5Mbps to 40Mbps. There is rare occasion when it gets full speeds of 160+ Mbps, but not often.
Anyone else experiencing awkward slowness? It sucks when updating larger apps.
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Yes. I see slow LTE speeds as well. I posted about it here and Motorola.com and of course no one had anything to say. Top speed at home on wifi is about 180 Mbps. Its rare I get that. I check it with the speed test app and maybe the 3rd time I try it will be at max speed. Normally I see about 50-60. I feel like my LTE speeds are way slower than what they used to be at home and at work. About half of what they were with my old Droid Turbo. Debating getting another one. Not sure if I got crappy antennas or what. I have nothing else to go on since no one else could give me any feedback.

TheColdOne said:
I have been having issues with my phone where it seems to get VERY slow speeds on my home WiFi.
All other devices get very high speeds (eg. Laptop 300+ Mbps, OneplusOne 105Mbps, Nexus 5 60Mbps, Nexus 7 70Mbps).
My Moto X Pure though, for some reason, often gets very unstable speeds varying from 5Mbps to 40Mbps. There is rare occasion when it gets full speeds of 160+ Mbps, but not often.
Anyone else experiencing awkward slowness? It sucks when updating larger apps.
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Yes. I just noticed this yesterday. I'm doing more research but it appears unless I'm right on top of my router it sucks. I'm likely going to be sending back my Pure to moto over this as soon as I confirm other phones do much better (pretty sure my other ones do but need to do back to back comparison of them).

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Yes. I just noticed this yesterday. I'm doing more research but it appears unless I'm right on top of my router it sucks. I'm likely going to be sending back my Pure to moto over this as soon as I confirm other phones do much better (pretty sure my other ones do but need to do back to back comparison of them).
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Initial indications are that it's got abysmal 5.8 ghz performance beyond maybe 15 feet. Much worse than other devices. Very good though on 2.4 only.
Further comparisons seem to indicate it might be on par with other portables. Dunno for sure. Still investigating. Just noticed it as it can get really, really bad on 5.8 while still connected.

I'm having the worst WiFi speeds imaginable right now, while my one plus has great speeds on the same WiFi. Any solutions for this?
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I noticed that my Moto X drops WIFI connectivity every few seconds when I'm in a particular area of the house and the phone's Bluetooth is on. My Wife's N5, N7 and my old N4 work OK so it's definetly something to do with the phone.

Actually, I was checking out my network the other day, and was surprising surprised at the actual connection speed it was reading. Laptop gets maybe 650mbps connection in the same location. Behind 2 walls about 60ft away from Asus AC68 router. which hides behind a TV.
internet is local company, 50 up/50 down... down speed is about on par with other devices

I just got this phone yesterday and I've got to say I'm very surprised about it. It's very useful $300 phone and it does everything is $700 phones does. Sorry for bad grammar I'm using text-to-speech. But I've also noticed that if you switch to the 2.4 gigahertz you don't have the Wi-Fi issue for some reason it's only the 5 gigahertz