Well i see lot of games coming for tegra this year
most of them for tegra 3
it really disappoints me
well somepoint iwill get the prime iguess in around 4 months in my birthday but until anyone has an idea if maybe a driver like chainfire could unabla tegra 3 on tegra 2
well iknow its not logic but you know like with chainfire that you can reduce texture quallity
(sorry for my really bad english XD)
well i have no idea what you asked
He wants to know if you can play tegra 3 games on a tegra 2 device.
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seems like what he is saying is that a lot of the newer games that have been announced have only been for tegra 3. but take shadowgun for example it was only soposed to be tegra 2 but later was given versions for otehr less powerfull chipsets. so i assue newer games will be announced for tegra 3 but after a month sor so there will be a tegra 2 version so not to worry. also im sure chainfire wil get right on it once more tegra 3 devices and games are out
I am guessing......
....and I could be wrong. That he is hoping that someone can wave a magic wand on all the new "Tegra 3 only" game titles (whatever they may be) and make them compatible with Tegra 2.
I believe, he thinks that Tegra 3 is driver related and not architecture change and therefore unlockable, like reducing the graphics settings on a new game to minimum so it plays on an old graphics card.
Sorry if that is not what you are thinking Hearmeman. Pure assumption on my part. Google "Differences between Tegra 2 and Tegra 3" and you will see it's not just graphics.
Well
about the architecture
i guess you can use qualcomm drivers and mali drivers on tegra 2
i cant any problems with tegra 3
i do know the chipset is changed
iguess chainfire will release a driver that allows that
Hehe, I'm down to 0 game on my TF. I guess I'm not as enthusiastic about tegra 3 as I should because I'm not a gamer.
Expect THD versions for Tegra 3 and then they will be adapted and the hardware restrictions will be lowered and given to other devices.
If a game was natively meant for Tegra 3, I wouldn't expect to see it on anything less than a Tegra 2 because then the developer would have to lower the game quality so much that it would insult how the game was meant to be played.
dont you think that they just can reduce texture or colors
it boost up the framerates
you see like in riptide they added motion blur and water splash nothing serious
im really looking forward to buy the prime the next few months but until then
Hmm, I must have been looking at other games, the ones I saw said they would be for T2 with enhanced versions for T3.
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Hi,
since at this point it is unknown whatever updated 10.1 will still run on Tegra 2 or something else (Exynos 4201) I would appreciate your opinion on this matter.
What do you think will be inside?
If two versions will be available which one will you buy?
Of you hear any thing new in this subject - please post here.
Since Tegra 2 has some limitations (video playback) I personally hope it will run on Samsung's own SoC, will play all video formats and divix/xivid with DLNA and playback from SD will work beautifully.
I have an issue with Sammy using their own chip for one reason. When every other phone was running a Qualcomm chip and the Galaxy phones were using Hummingbird chips, there was some optimization in the android code that was not included for Samsung chips.
Since Honeycomb has been built around the Tegra 2 chip, I fear the same thing will happen.
Don't believe HC was built around Tegra2...hence the reason for no Dual-Core spec requirement. Hell, it's up and running on devices of all sorts as we speak.
I want Tegra games more than support for h.264 high profile video playback.
So, I want Tegra
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If you want games you should wait for a SONY tablet ;-)
Why do you assume that it will have a worse performance in games than Tegra 2?
I think that it will be better than T2 in both cases.
BTW: thera are gossips of new Moto tablet coming out around fall with T3 (QUad core Tegra) inside...
galtom said:
If you want games you should wait for a SONY tablet ;-)
Why do you assume that it will have a worse performance in games than Tegra 2?
I think that it will be better than T2 in both cases.
BTW: thera are gossips of new Moto tablet coming out around fall with T3 (QUad core Tegra) inside...
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Assuming he's talking about the PS3 and TegraZone games that require a Tegra chip. Other chips could probably play them, but think Nvidia has it so they look specifically for the Tegra chip.
Not that gaming is my main priority, but I saw all those "Tegra optimized" games on the Tegra Zone.
They are all nice games
It will be sucks if they don't perform as expected on non-Tegra tablet.
Because as I said, I could care less with that H.264 high profile. I can still "convert" them or stream (via future app ala AirPlay on iOS).
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If you want games you should wait for a SONY tablet ;-)
Why do you assume that it will have a worse performance in games than Tegra 2?
I think that it will be better than T2 in both cases.
BTW: thera are gossips of new Moto tablet coming out around fall with T3 (QUad core Tegra) inside...
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by this summer, tegra2 will be one and half years old since announced, and tegra3 will be only half year away
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More than likely, Samsungs SoC will be nearly identical to the Ipad 2's A5 SoC, which has already shown to be several times faster in the gfx department vs a Tegra 2.
Also, the Tegra 2 is missing the NEON optimizations in most other A9 SoC's.
So I put my vote toward Samsung's SoC.
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More than likely, Samsungs SoC will be nearly identical to the Ipad 2's A5 SoC, which has already shown to be several times faster in the gfx department vs a Tegra 2.
Also, the Tegra 2 is missing the NEON optimizations in most other A9 SoC's.
So I put my vote toward Samsung's SoC.
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But like all great hardware, it's only as good as the software it runs. I'd rather have the Tegra if it has exclusive content or specialized support from Google.
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Don't believe HC was built around Tegra2...hence the reason for no Dual-Core spec requirement. Hell, it's up and running on devices of all sorts as we speak.
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There were news reports that Google was going to make Tegra 2 the reference platform for Honeycomb but that never happened. Now it looks like Google is working with LG to come out with a Nexus tablet this summer so it'll be interesting to see what they are putting in that.
Personally I hope Samsung steers clear of Tegra 2 and goes with their own SoC.
Isn't LG already releasing the G-Slate? Are they gonna release another one in the summer? Thats just not a great strategy me thinks.
In sweden there is now a IT fair called Dustin Expo, and one off or bigger computer sites reported that Samsung not going to use Tegra2 like the other manufacturers.
They will use there own dual-core ( probably Exynos ) and Adeno 220.
Starts on 2min
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ggUXvZnbM8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Looking forward to hear from Samsung whats up, and what spec the 8.9" will have and some reviews on how good there skinn on HC is.
The hardware that Samsung is about to release i really like, but they sucks on software updates and improve the products thay have released. So should i get the big and heavy xoom whit updates or the light and sleek Samsung without support
There is also Asus Transformer to choose from.
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The hardware that Samsung is about to release i really like, but they sucks on software updates and improve the products thay have released. So should i get the big and heavy xoom whit updates or the light and sleek Samsung without support
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Besides Touchwiz, I say it depends on how you're going to use it. If I decide to get a tablet, it'll most likely be the new Galaxy Tab because (I'm going to assume here) that it'll most likely play any video and audio format I throw at it. I think that's the big difference (codecs) between the two as of now besides Touchwiz.
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In sweden there is now a IT fair called Dustin Expo, and one off or bigger computer sites reported that Samsung not going to use Tegra2 like the other manufacturers.
They will use there own dual-core ( probably Exynos ) and Adeno 220.
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If true that would be the best news of the current tablet season as Tegra 2 sucks BIG TIME!
I would also want to know.... how close in design is Apple A5 (the one in iPad 2) by Samsung to Exynos by Samsung
I wouldn't mind if it had their proprietary SoC as what really matters in these tablets is the GPU. It seems the T2 chipset is getting a bit long-in-the-tooth despite not being heavily utilized yet. If Samsung is pairing with the Adreno 220 then that's better than the Tegra 2.
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In sweden there is now a IT fair called Dustin Expo, and one off or bigger computer sites reported that Samsung not going to use Tegra2 like the other manufacturers.
They will use there own dual-core ( probably Exynos ) and Adeno 220.
Starts on 2min
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ggUXvZnbM8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Looking forward to hear from Samsung whats up, and what spec the 8.9" will have and some reviews on how good there skinn on HC is.
The hardware that Samsung is about to release i really like, but they sucks on software updates and improve the products thay have released. So should i get the big and heavy xoom whit updates or the light and sleek Samsung without support
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Why would they add an adreno 220, when a Mali-400 would be a lot better? Seems like an odd choice to me. Also that prototype is running Tegra 2(assuming it's the same device that's been shown off at other venues).
Maybe we'll see the Adreno 220s on the SGSII as well?
Wasn't the prototype just a 10.1v?
@Toss3
Presumably, the SGS2 will be equipped the dual-core Exynos clocked at 1.2GHz. I say "presumably" because, just like now, Samsung hasn't revealed the true name of the processor, only the clock speed.
Oddly enough, there will also be a Tegra 2 version of the SGS2.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/06/...ayed-until-may-o/&category=classic&postPage=1
Hi,
I read more and more great games created for Tegra 2 devices. For example this recently:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...s-like-a-total-war-rts-for-your-tegra-tablet/
If I am not mistaken, you can not have that if your device does not run Tegra 2.
Not because your device is not capable, but simply because your device does not run Tegra 2. Probably they use specific code instructions, but this is another "sub-fragmentation" on Android
So, I would rather have Tegra 2 instead of Exynos just for this.
Yeah... That's a notable downside to having many different SoCs, with a couple of different GPU architectures. Some fragmentation is inevitable. However, I'm sure that eventually adherence to OpenGL ES standards will be all that matters.
The quality of the TegraZone games (e.g. Monster Madness and Samurai II: Vengeance) is amazing. However, the Tegra 2 seems to have a pretty low fill rate (at least with regards to its use on a high res tablet). Luckily, after installing a modified kernel with cleaned up GPU code, my Tegra 2-powered XOOM seems to play games at high resolution much more smoothly.
Up until recently, Tegra 2 was pretty much the only dual-core SoC on the block. With the newest Snapdragon and Exynos having much better GPU than the aging Tegra, developpers are gonna have to start supporting more than just Tegra, no matter how much money nVidia is pouring onto them.
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Up until recently, Tegra 2 was pretty much the only dual-core SoC on the block. With the newest Snapdragon and Exynos having much better GPU than the aging Tegra, developpers are gonna have to start supporting more than just Tegra, no matter how much money nVidia is pouring onto them.
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Ditto. Exynos > Tegra 2
hey guys, theres no video here but i contacted the guy who has the retail model of the galaxy s ii and i asked him to try out dungeon defenders.
he tried it and this what happenend:
"Currently all the startup pre-video things work fine, but the main menu-part is absent, only some green text near the top right hand corner saying "How to play". You hit that and it takes you to the tutorial, but nothing else seems to be there. Not sure what's going on "
any ideas whats going on here guys?
im thinking its got to do with graphics problems on gingerbread, but I might be wrong.
From his twitter:
dom_armstrong Dom Armstrong
http://youtu.be/0xbzyrVNiVA some 3d gaming on the #Samsung #Galaxys2 with "Reckless Racing". Trying to get Dungeon Defender...
Its because it wasn't built on/for the Mali 400 MP. Every hardcore game has different versions of it so as to accommodate the different GPU's. E.g. asphalt 6 has a version for powerVR sgx540 phones, whilst it has a different version for Adreno 205 and so on and so forth. So most hardcore games will have to be ported for the Mali 400MP, just like how it is being done for tegra devices now. Eg. Gameloft is making ports of every android game they have released for the tegra devices like the Atrix and Xoom.
look what i found
"the Galaxy S 2 is never anything less than blazingly, disgustingly fast. Dungeon Defenders, which uses the Unreal mobile engine, looks gorgeous and plays smoothly"
thats from this new review of the galaxy s ii from electric pig
http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2011/04/22/samsung-galaxy-s-2-review/
Yeah I think that the version that he tested (on the OP post) was not compatible with the MALI400 GPU that's why it struggles like he said. That reminds me the exact same situation for the original Galaxy S when it was out there was one of the best game (if not the best game formerly) that had all the textures white and therefore was unplayable : Gangstar west coast hustle. That took about a month and a version made for the galaxy S was out with even better graphics than other version, and nowadays every game has a "galaxy S" version so don't worry too much bro
They don't necessarily need to make separate versions for different GPUs as the APIs are the same, but as with desktop cards you need to do compatibility testing. There's also a question of optional features which might be present on some GPUs but not all.
I hope and believe Galaxy S II will be very successful, at which point everyone will have to make sure their game works on Mali 400 as well as SGX, Tegra 2 and Adreno.
has game developers forgotten about tegra 2 and just moved onto tegra 3 i mean i see alot of awesome games coming out such as Horn or the new game coming out Wild blood which is supposed to boast the unreal engine or even bladeslinger but all run on tegra 3 , i mean if i can run Dead trigger highest graphics under clocked with no lag then why move on? even Max Payne mobile highest graphics and under clocked runs fine. is it just devs wanting to work on tegra 3 for the consumer market in it or is tegra 2 just that old?
Yeah it doesn't make sense I'm sure these high end apps could have somethings set up just to scale down settings depending on hardware of the device. Kinda like PC games do which will try to match the best settings for the hardware (which usually is OK)
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Yeah it doesn't make sense I'm sure these high end apps could have somethings set up just to scale down settings depending on hardware of the device. Kinda like PC games do which will try to match the best settings for the hardware (which usually is OK)
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yeah kinda sucks hopefully theyll comeback to it or remake a tegra 2 enhanced version
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Yeah it doesn't make sense I'm sure these high end apps could have somethings set up just to scale down settings depending on hardware of the device. Kinda like PC games do which will try to match the best settings for the hardware (which usually is OK)
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yeah i think that also like we THD games for tegra hd, im assuming soon there will be THD versions of the tegra 3 games
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yeah i think that also like we THD games for tegra hd, im assuming soon there will be THD versions of the tegra 3 games
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yeah i guess its just time to upgrade :/ im going with an actual cmputer tab 320 gig harddrive 2.2ghz win7 winpad i think unless i can find a better one i can use for work :/
Maybe all those Tegra 3 only titles are sponsored by Nvidia and Nvidia wants them to be T3 exclusive to attract more tablet/phone buyers. But they showed with Tegra 2 how much they care about the hardware they already sold (we are not even clients to them as we ONLY buy end products with Nvidia hardware).
I think the same will happen when Nvidia presents T3 successor in the future. All THD titles will be made for this next chip and T3 will be forgotten as T2 is now.
I think that developers' decision to support T3 exclusivelly in their titles is Nvidia's doing because developers are actually shrinking their potential customer base (how many T2 tab users is out there comparing to T3 user base). WIthout money from Nv I don't think any developer would do that unless they need so much processing power that T2 is not capable of delivering any more. And @gears177 gave 2 examples that T2 is still capable of running good 3d games even underclocked. T3 is just overkill for most titles.
Might have been mentioned before but..it seems the Note 3 is being classified as Tegra compatible as all my previously Tegra only games are working AND seem to be displaying Tegra 3 graphics...Both unbeknownst to me until today..I've been enjoying some superb game play on this beast >
Edit: I have found a few of my Tegra games that still show incompatible, but most are working. Also, THD games are a no go. But I was able to enable Tegra 3 graphics in Dead Trigger 2...omg....sweet..
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Might have been mentioned before but..it seems the Note 3 is being classified as Tegra compatible as all my previously Tegra only games are working AND seem to be displaying Tegra 3 graphics...Both unbeknownst to me until today..I've been enjoying some superb game play on this beast >
Edit: I have found a few of my Tegra games that still show incompatible, but most are working. Also, THD games are a no go. But I was able to enable Tegra 3 graphics in Dead Trigger 2...omg....sweet..
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Good to know, Thanks!