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i turned on S now it wont let me turn it back on please help

hi guys i turned on s because iam sending this back to tmo. but i forgot to flash the stock recovery img and now i am attempting to root again with visionary. it says already rooted. but it wont give me permission. and the s is on. what do i do please help...

anyone...?

This is probably going to get moved to the Q & A forum before I can finish posting this.
I have yet to find an easier root process or an easier set of instructions to follow, than the following post...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=834225
Please read that in its entirety. This is such an easy process that anyone who gets lost or messes it up, might not want to try it in the first place. I'm being as honest as possible, not trying to be insulting.
Ultimately, S=On is part of the un-root process, soooo, you're back at scratch. This means you would need to start back at the top of that post above and follow the instructions on how to root your phone/get S=Off.
Good luck!

shlongwoodian said:
This is probably going to get moved to the Q & A forum before I can finish posting this.
I have yet to find an easier root process or an easier set of instructions to follow, than the following post...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=834225
Please read that in its entirety. This is such an easy process that anyone who gets lost or messes it up, might not want to try it in the first place. I'm being as honest as possible, not trying to be insulting.
Ultimately, S=On is part of the un-root process, soooo, you're back at scratch. This means you would need to start back at the top of that post above and follow the instructions on how to root your phone/get S=Off.
Good luck!
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i understand BUT when i run visionary it tells me already rooted.... but when i type in su it says permission denied....

We're going to need some additional details. You on 2.2.1? Have you restarted your phone since and tried again?
I'll spell it out for you - it really is dead-simple...
(***paraphrasing the OFFICIAL instructions in the thread I linked to above***)
- Enable USB Debugging
- Extract the root.rar in the original post - MAKE SURE YOU PAID ATTENTION AND NOTICED THERE IS A ROOT FOLDER WITHIN A ROOT FOLDER - a nested folder. You do NOT WANT THIS. You want just one /root folder on your sdcard, within it at the .sh scripts.
- Install VISIONary
- Attempt Temp Root
- Run Terminal emulator, type su and follow the instructions in the original post to execute the script - reboot.
- When your phone comes back up, run VISIONary again
- Attempt Temp Root
- Attempt Perm Root
There is really no way to mess this up. I have done this on 6 MT4G's, so if it's not working, you didn't follow the instructions - no doubt, no question. You don't need ADB - you can do this all from your phone with a file explorer (I use EStrongs) and a terminal emulator (I use Android Terminal Emulator).
I'm surprised this hasn't been moderated yet...

2012iawait said:
i understand BUT when i run visionary it tells me already rooted...
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What do you mean it "tells you already rooted"? I am rooted and just running VISIONary - that is, launching VISIONary - it doesn't tell you anything. If you click Temproot now, is that when it shows that?
You know you have to first do Temproot and then do Permroot, right? From what I've seen, you can't "over root," so honestly, I highly recommend starting over again. If possible, I would literally type out each and every step you're taking. Maybe it will show us where you're messing up.

Try a different version of visionary... r11 is my preference
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ESKIMOn00b said:
Try a different version of visionary... r11 is my preference
Sent from my HTC Glacier using XDA App
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Good call. I thought about that as soon as I finished my last reply - i.e. check the VISIONary version.
I've been using r14 since my first MT4G and haven't had a single issue on any of the MT4G's I've used it on.

guys loook.... i am using r11 when i click root now.... it says already rooted i can access the clock work recover and everything but s is on and i dont have super user permission.... i turned the s on but now i cant turn it of. i dont have super user permission in terminal

2012iawait said:
i turned the s
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So that means you used the unroot.rar file and the process outlined in the first post? That's how you got S back =On again?

ok finally i got it. but now it wont let me flash the stock reocovery image i tried in adb and terminal in terminal it says file not found. and in adb sending reovery<3948kb> falled< status malformed help..... i have to send this back tomorrow

2012iawait said:
ok finally i got it.
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So what was it? It would help if you posted your mistake, so maybe it can help someone else that runs into problems.

shlongwoodian said:
So what was it? It would help if you posted your mistake, so maybe it can help someone else that runs into problems.
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i had to unroot it restart the temp root again then permroot.
done ... i flashed stock recovery....

Please post questions in Q&A section.

I downgraded from the Official AT&T 2.2 update back to 2.1

I used the info on this page: *android.modaco.com/content/htc-desire-desire-modaco-com/310873/possible-hboot-downgrade/* it didn't downgrade the hboot, but that might be something to work on.
CHANGE STEP 3.4. "change it to 1.15.405.1" don't do that, change the "2.20.502.1" in the misc.img from your aria to 1.25.502.2
Oh and you'll need either a Temp root, or a Shell root for adb

I have done this and can confirm that this works
Thanks mate!

I just noticed the Aria got 2.2 finally, albiet through this silly sync method.... It's my wifes phone, I'm sure she's not going to be happy to have to hard reset it.. wth.
Anyway, so why are you guys going back to 2.1? I am surprised not to see more discussion on 2.2 in this forum, but I don't frequent it much since I don't own the Aria myself.

khaytsus said:
I just noticed the Aria got 2.2 finally, albiet through this silly sync method.... It's my wifes phone, I'm sure she's not going to be happy to have to hard reset it.. wth.
Anyway, so why are you guys going back to 2.1? I am surprised not to see more discussion on 2.2 in this forum, but I don't frequent it much since I don't own the Aria myself.
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I went back to 2.1 because the 2.2.2 version that AT&T released was extremely slow, and my touchscreen would become unresponsive.

andrewishcool95 said:
I used the info on this page: *android.modaco.com/content/htc-desire-desire-modaco-com/310873/possible-hboot-downgrade/* it didn't downgrade the hboot, but that might be something to work on.
CHANGE STEP 3.4. "change it to 1.15.405.1" don't do that, change the "2.20.502.1" in the misc.img from your aria to 1.25.502.2
Oh and you'll need either a Temp root, or a Shell root for adb
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How do you get a temp root or shell root with the new HBoot still in-place? If temp root is possible, then can't you install clockworkmod and get permaroot?

Gene Poole said:
How do you get a temp root or shell root with the new HBoot still in-place? If temp root is possible, then can't you install clockworkmod and get permaroot?
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I got a shell root from super one click root (forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=803682)
after I downgraded to 2.1 I got z4root to get a temp root.

andrewishcool95 said:
I got a shell root from super one click root (forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=803682)
after I downgraded to 2.1 I got z4root to get a temp root.
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I'm also very curious about this.

Sounds like the first steps to rooting and downgrading. I'm curious to see if any developers catch this
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I've been reading up on this and the skinny is that the HBOOT image controls the S-ON and S-OFF flags of the NAND RAM in the device. Even with a temp root shell, you can't write to a partition with its S-ON flag set. This normally includes all the partitions on the phone except the data partition, so trying to root the device requires some sort of interaction with the HBOOT image to turn off the S-ON flag for the recovery and system partitions to properly root a phone.
In short, if and until someone hacks hboot_liberty_7227_1.02.0000_101104, your phone is unrootable.

Gene Poole said:
I've been reading up on this and the skinny is that the HBOOT image controls the S-ON and S-OFF flags of the NAND RAM in the device. Even with a temp root shell, you can't write to a partition with its S-ON flag set. This normally includes all the partitions on the phone except the data partition, so trying to root the device requires some sort of interaction with the HBOOT image to turn off the S-ON flag for the recovery and system partitions to properly root a phone.
In short, if and until someone hacks hboot_liberty_7227_1.02.0000_101104, your phone is unrootable.
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Help me out, I may be thinking in the wrong direction, but I've been dealing with my nook which is why I thought of this.
Is there not a way to write an hboot to an sd-card or connect via usb at start to make the aria think that the sd-card or the usb connection is the corrected hboot, thus being able to modify?

FroztIkon said:
Help me out, I may be thinking in the wrong direction, but I've been dealing with my nook which is why I thought of this.
Is there not a way to write an hboot to an sd-card or connect via usb at start to make the aria think that the sd-card or the usb connection is the corrected hboot, thus being able to modify?
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There may be. When I first got my Aria, the rooting procedure involved an HTC signed update that you fooled the hboot into partially loading, then swapped the sdcard with the root package. It involved some complex timing issues where you had to run adb in a loop and plug/unplug the usb cable at appropriate times.
I've been searching the net for that procedure and I can't seem to find the right search terms, or I'm just not looking in the right places or something, but I know that's how I did my Aria before there was an unrevoked plug-n-root.

I have the procedure u are looking for i think...let me know if this is what u were after because i have an archive of saved documents I have copied from forums in the past...GOOD LUCK!
well apparently i haven't posted enough to put the links up in the post

PM me if you want the process...

xerotix said:
PM me if you want the process...
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May I have a copy of said process? Currently the only way is to buy a very expensive hardware called XClip. I have managed to get the updated 2.2.2 Stock ROM rooted but not deodex or EXT3 FOR ap2sd trying to play with some files from another source to get hboot s off.

econcep said:
May I have a copy of said process? Currently the only way is to buy a very expensive hardware called XClip. I have managed to get the updated 2.2.2 Stock ROM rooted but not deodex or EXT3 FOR ap2sd trying to play with some files from another source to get hboot s off.
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That process does not work with the new HBOOT. That's why unrevoked doesn't work. Having root access does not unlock NAND.
Currently, the only way known is via hardware tools.

It works. I managed a work around for 2.2.2 update
Hey everyone I am in the second phase of testing my work around with the new HTC Aria update from ATT. I managed to load the update and keep my phone rooted. I am now in the setup mode with no bootloop.
Running into a couple of issues with the new radio but I believe I know how to fix that as well. Keep you all posted and once all bugs worked out I will post my findings and HOPEFULLY MY ROOTED ROM.ZIP with instructions.
IF AT FIRST YOU DON'T SUCCEED.....TRY TRY TRY and TRY I did and I am 99% there.

econcep said:
Hey everyone I am in the second phase of testing my work around with the new HTC Aria update from ATT. I managed to load the update and keep my phone rooted. I am now in the setup mode with no bootloop.
Running into a couple of issues with the new radio but I believe I know how to fix that as well. Keep you all posted and once all bugs worked out I will post my findings and HOPEFULLY MY ROOTED ROM.ZIP with instructions.
IF AT FIRST YOU DON'T SUCCEED.....TRY TRY TRY and TRY I did and I am 99% there.
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This might be the wrong thread. Did you manage to get around the HBOOT issue with the 2.2 update? If not, then you've just done the same thing I did the day after this release was out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=970272

Gene Poole said:
This might be the wrong thread. Did you manage to get around the HBOOT issue with the 2.2 update? If not, then you've just done the same thing I did the day after this release was out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=970272
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You are right this might be the wrong thread. But I managed a work around with the new update 2.2.2 and the HBOOT 1.0X. As soon as I can confirm without a doubt that it works and will be able to repeat the process successfully with my husband's ARIA (unfortunately we love hacking things and tend to buy multiple devices) I will be more than happy to share the results.
Again, my apologies if it's the wrong thread.

econcep said:
You are right this might be the wrong thread. But I managed a work around with the new update 2.2.2 and the HBOOT 1.0X. As soon as I can confirm without a doubt that it works and will be able to repeat the process successfully with my husband's ARIA (unfortunately we love hacking things and tend to buy multiple devices) I will be more than happy to share the results.
Again, my apologies if it's the wrong thread.
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Perhaps I misread (or we're talking past each other). You do have, in fact, HBOOT 1.02.0000 on your Aria, and managed to write to the system partition?

Yes & No. I'm stuck on couple of things. First the will temporary give me root access but then it locks up saying I don't have busybox. I'm rooted but no s-off. I also noticed when I reboot into recovery I go into CWM 2.5.0.1 but other times it boots into CWM 2.5.0.7. When that happens I loose my unknown source in settings>application. Again, if this is the wrong thread, I really am sorry.
I googled alpharev and some others who have worked on rooting. Found some cached pages from Jan when they were testing to root/s-off the Aria. Basing my work on that and couple of other devices that are similar to the Aria.

[Q] please help!!

I have the newer mytouch 4g and none of the rooted procedures have work for me. Can someone please explain to me what to do or does this mean it cant be rooted. Thank you in advance i highly will appreciate the help.

tgary said:
I have the newer mytouch 4g and none of the rooted procedures have work for me. Can someone please explain to me what to do or does this mean it cant be rooted. Thank you in advance i highly will appreciate the help.
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Try this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=976465

None of us are mind readers. What did you try, and where did you fail? There are several different rooting procedures that can be used -- but all require careful attention to each step in the process.
(Some people who have difficulty with written instructions have had great help from video instructions, and vice versa. Perhaps you might look into "alternative media" if what has you have read or watched just confused you.)

Ive been following mostly videos of it to the T, and still not couldnt get it to s off. I can temp root it with my eyes close but its no s off for me to perm root it

tgary said:
Ive been following mostly videos of it to the T, and still not couldnt get it to s off. I can temp root it with my eyes close but its no s off for me to perm root it
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again what method were u trying? the gfree method or the visionary?

Ive visionary

tgary said:
Ive visionary
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follow this to the T it should work (i cut and paste the commands that go into command prompt)
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=TMobile_myTouch_4G:_Full_Update_Guide

tgary said:
Ive visionary
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Visionary is only a temp rooting tool. It will not permaroot your phone nor will it turn s=off. It is only used to gain SU access so you can permaroot the device.
If that is all you are doing that is why you cannot turn s=off.
I've seen people have trouble using the Cyanogen method that is posted in the link above this.
Use the link in my signature to get your ADB set up and working so it will pick up your device.
Once you've done that use This Method for complete "rootness" of your phone but you may end up bricking the device you must be very very very careful with what you are doing. Or you can Use this method to root the phone with little chance of bricking it. That will turn s=off but will not install the ./gfree nor SuperCID and will leave the hBoot screen alone but it has the least chance of bricking your device.

thanks for all the feed back but i believe you were absolutely right about me watching videos which i realized is much easier for me. those links are very helpful but i just cant get em down pack to complete them which brings me to a conclusion of a unrooted phone. this sucks for me so bad

The unlockr pages has videos.
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[Q] cant install cwrm on the mt4g

hi guys i need a little help i cant flash or install the cwrm on the my touch 4g the phone is alrady rooted i temp rooted then perm rooted and now im rooted after the boot so i guess that means im rooted but when i flash the cwrm apparently everything goes smooth then i click on boot into recovery mode and it just never happens, instead i get the phone with the red triangle, and then i tried to do it manually (vol down power button) and insted of s=off i get s=on so i dont know what to think am i rooted or not? i have the superuser app and it asks me to allow things sometimes plus the root checker tells me im rooted....so please help me

If your bootloader still shows S-ON, you're definitely not rooted. Here are two root methods to try:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858021
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858996
Personally, I recommend the first one that uses Visionary and the root.sh script.

TeeJay3800 said:
If your bootloader still shows S-ON, you're definitely not rooted. Here are two root methods to try:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858021
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858996
Personally, I recommend the first one that uses Visionary and the root.sh script.
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TJ is pretty much hit the nail on head.
The "s-on / s-off" is a security check. If your "s-on" the phone will restore it self to a 100% new status, any recovery images, fonts, rooted apps, have been replaced back to a like new status. You need to manually turn the security check off. Which one of the two links TJ will do for you.

Then just download rom manager from market. Open it and flash cwm through it. That simple.

dubie76 said:
Then just download rom manager from market. Open it and flash cwm through it. That simple.
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IF their "s" is sill "on" it will not flash and overwrite the stock recovery image. They'll flash it and it'll go right back to stock once they turn off the phone.

neidlinger said:
IF their "s" is sill "on" it will not flash and overwrite the stock recovery image. They'll flash it and it'll go right back to stock once they turn off the phone.
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Correct. I was adding to your post. That's why I said, "then"...

dubie76 said:
Correct. I was adding to your post. That's why I said, "then"...
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*face palm*
i thought it was a sarcastic post

TeeJay3800 said:
If your bootloader still shows S-ON, you're definitely not rooted. Here are two root methods to try:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858021
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858996
Personally, I recommend the first one that uses Visionary and the root.sh script.
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+1 wow, I've learned so much just from reading some of your posts.

neidlinger said:
*face palm*
i thought it was a sarcastic post
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Lol. no, sorry I wasnt as clear as I thought I was.

[Q] rom manager doesnt backup or flashes...?

i have a mytouch 4g and im new to the forums and roms but i followed every instruction down to the letter but when i go to backup rom on the rom manager the phone just reboot and i see a phone with a exclamation mark....? help please and thank you

Flash clockwork first. You can do that in Rom manager - first option
Via my HTC Thunderbolt

rawdawgroy said:
i have a mytouch 4g and im new to the forums and roms but i followed every instruction down to the letter but when i go to backup rom on the rom manager the phone just reboot and i see a phone with a exclamation mark....? help please and thank you
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That means you haven't installed ClockworkMod recovery yet. First flash that via ROM Manager, and then attempt to make a backup again. I recommend doing it the manual way by booting into recovery mode, rather than by doing it through the ROM Manager app.

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That means you haven't installed ClockworkMod recovery yet. First flash that via ROM Manager, and then attempt to make a backup again. I recommend doing it the manual way by booting into recovery mode, rather than by doing it through the ROM Manager app.
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I was getting ready to say the same thing.

I got the clockworkmod recovery the phone doesnt let me do anything with out it and it shows up on my memory card when I try to back up it just goes to the screen with the big red exclamation point and when I try manually only the phone stock recovery comes up not clockworkmod....?

rawdawgroy said:
I got the clockworkmod recovery the phone doesnt let me do anything with out it and it shows up on my memory card when I try to back up it just goes to the screen with the big red exclamation point and when I try manually only the phone stock recovery comes up not clockworkmod....?
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are you rooted,if not you need to root it first

yea temp root and ive rooted everytime the phone reboots it wont let me use the app unless ive rooted the device

rawdawgroy said:
yea temp root and ive rooted everytime the phone reboots it wont let me use the app unless ive rooted the device
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Receptionist : the doctor will see you now mr rawdagroy
doctor:
Well Mr RawDog it Sounds like a good case of the "didntreadeverything".
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While you did root your phone you must turn off the security protocol. That is why we are mentioning s-off/s-on. IF you look in the development section you will see thread after thread after thread on how to do just that. Simply running VISIONary will not root your phone to the degree that you need. You must turn off that security protocol. If you don't everytime you reboot your phone it's going back to a OE fashion and losing Root Access, and losing the recovery image since the phone is flashing the stock recovery image again.

but thats what im sayin ive even had z4root and visionary but i only temp root not perm do i have to perm root to get this to work...? also ive re-rooted my phone everytime i rebooted cause i know that temp goes away after.... HELP PLEASE

rawdawgroy said:
but thats what im sayin ive even had z4root and visionary but i only temp root not perm do i have to perm root to get this to work...? also ive re-rooted my phone everytime i rebooted cause i know that temp goes away after.... HELP PLEASE
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read my signature in this post. Or in my post above. I have two links on how to turn s-off. VISIONary.apk and Z4 will not turn off your security protocol.

also do i need sdk or adb to flash a rom on my phone....????

rawdawgroy said:
also do i need sdk or adb to flash a rom on my phone....????
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NEED ? No.
HIGHLY ENCOURAGE Yes.

ok i followed your instructions down to the letter and when i put # cd/sdcard/root it say not found on card .....???

rawdawgroy said:
ok i followed your instructions down to the letter and when i put # cd/sdcard/root is say sd card not found .....???
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its cd /sdcard/root not cd/sdcard/root make sure you hit the space bar between cd and /

Here is a good how to on you tube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4B4y0CQUDo

and after it does it thing just turn the phone off or....? and how do i know if its done...???

rawdawgroy said:
and after it does it thing just turn the phone off or....? and how do i know if its done...???
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when i rooted i didn't use that method i used this one http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858996 also watched this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4B4y0CQUDo and had no issues. Sorry i can't help with that method

rawdawgroy said:
and after it does it thing just turn the phone off or....? and how do i know if its done...???
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you need to boot into hBoot and look at the top line for s-on or s-off. If s-off just boot the phone normally and click on Temp root, then perma root and your done.

WOLF26915 said:
when i rooted i didn't use that method i used this one http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858996 also watched this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4B4y0CQUDo and had no issues. Sorry i can't help with that method
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is this a perm root or temp i ask cause i am really tired of rooting after every boot...

rawdawgroy said:
is this a perm root or temp i ask cause i am really tired of rooting after every boot...
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yes this is perm root