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WP7 on Epic 4g?

How likely is it that we may see some sort of dual boot, or rom that runs WP7 on our epic's? I know sammy made 1 or 2 wp7 phones, and I assume they use the same chipset as the galaxy s line?? Just thought it wuldbe neat to be able to do this. I think wp7 looks pretty cool....just not cool enough to switch from android. Lol
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Zor Omega said:
How likely is it that we may see some sort of dual boot, or rom that runs WP7 on our epic's? I know sammy made 1 or 2 wp7 phones, and I assume they use the same chipset as the galaxy s line?? Just thought it wuldbe neat to be able to do this. I think wp7 looks pretty cool....just not cool enough to switch from android. Lol
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Zor Omega said:
How likely is it that we may see some sort of dual boot, or rom that runs WP7 on our epic's? I know sammy made 1 or 2 wp7 phones, and I assume they use the same chipset as the galaxy s line?? Just thought it wuldbe neat to be able to do this. I think wp7 looks pretty cool....just not cool enough to switch from android. Lol
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I don't think anyone wants to work their ass off on a downgrade. Oh. Wait I forgot about Nokia.
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Zor Omega said:
How likely is it that we may see some sort of dual boot, or rom that runs WP7 on our epic's? I know sammy made 1 or 2 wp7 phones, and I assume they use the same chipset as the galaxy s line?? Just thought it wuldbe neat to be able to do this. I think wp7 looks pretty cool....just not cool enough to switch from android. Lol
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1) This has been asked around 5 times already
2) No its not the same stuff..WP7 version uses a 1st gen snapdragon as its the only allowed cpu at this point, we have a hummingbird cpu
3) No one is going to develop is cause M$ will sue them to next millennium...Android is ported to other phones cause its open source..WP7 is not...and they let HD2 slide because they still make money on winmo licenses..on Android phone they make no money off you..so they'll sue you to next millennium...

what he said... just use this.. http://www.appbrain.com/app/windows-phone-android/com.androidtechnical.wp7pro lol

WP7 sucks Android > wp7
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Sorry bro, you'd be better off sticking to a GSM network and owning multiple handsets if you want to do that.
A) aside from the CPU issue, WP7 still isn't out with CDMA support yet, and
B) even if it were possible, the android community would be hard pressed to pull it off largely out of mindset. Nothing is more important than free choice--as long as you choose open.
Remember, modern tech is more about elitism and team sports (us vs. them) than an unbiased love to tinker. Welcome.
/as much as I dig Android, the exclusionary mindset of its userbase just might drive me away some day
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The biggest hurdle that I see is that WP7 is a closed-source system. Getting Android to run on a device is considerable easier because all it takes is getting a Linux kernel to boot on a device then getting the JVM to boot the actual software. Linux is open source. AOSP is, well, open source. So, at that point, it's just an understanding of the hardware and how to get the kernel to play nice with it.
This is completely different with WP7. We don't have kernels to play with. It would involve reverse-engineering and redistributing closed-source, proprietary, licensed software... which is, obviously, illegal. And no small task, to boot.
I wouldn't mind having a WP7 device just to see what it's about, but this device isn't it.

Yeah I forgot about the whole closed source proprietary thing...and mircsofts lawyers. Lol. I knew the snapdragon was their baseline but wasn't sure what chips sammy was usng for their wp7 phones. It was just a thought. I haven't used a wp7 device, I just think the ui looks pretty neat. But I guess you can accomplish close to the same thing with themed launchers. I still can't decide if the whole open source, do what you want is a good thing for android or what will eventually turn people away from it.
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EVO tablet

I'm officially putting in a request for an EVO tablet. Since there were no major upgrades to the ipad, OK perhaps a few, let's go in for the kill.
I'm not impressed with the price point and no wifi only for xoom, HTC should go in for the kill
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babyschoof said:
I'm officially putting in a request for an EVO tablet. Since there were no major upgrades to the ipad, OK perhaps a few, let's go in for the kill.
I'm not impressed with the price point and no wifi only for xoom, HTC should go in for the kill
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You got it. i'll pass that along to HTC. i'm SURE they'll listen and jump on it straightaway.
Seriously though, the ipad is difficult to beat. they did actually make a major upgrade in the new A5 processor with dual core. they also thinned it out a bit, the rest is mediocre like you said.

HTC already announced it, it's called the HTC Flyer and it doesn't look all that good. Single core running a tablet like sense on top of 2.3.

Here is the real concern... will honeycomb really be ready for primetime? All the videos I have seen of the xoom are choppy and crash quite a bit. I have yet to be blown away. However look at the stock evo. If it wasn't for cm7, I would be looking for something else. Why can't the manufacturers get it right. Perhaps they need some schooling form cyan?
Just saying.
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babyschoof said:
Here is the real concern... will honeycomb really be ready for primetime? All the videos I have seen of the xoom are choppy and crash quite a bit. I have yet to be blown away. However look at the stock evo. If it wasn't for cm7, I would be looking for something else. Why can't the manufacturers get it right. Perhaps they need some schooling form cyan?
Just saying.
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I give CM props but give them a bare device with no drivers and just AOSP and lets see them do better.

Award Tour said:
I give CM props but give them a bare device with no drivers and just AOSP and lets see them do better.
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Um .... Cm _is_ just AOSP...

Award Tour said:
I give CM props but give them a bare device with no drivers and just AOSP and lets see them do better.
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You just defined what Cyanogenmod is in your own post and discredited it at the same time.

Obviously I know that CM uses AOSP. My point is that a lot of their work is dependent on the release of OEM source (drivers, etc). If they had to take AOSP and port Android to an entirely new device/hardware it'd be a different story. They add a lot of cool extra functionality but a lot of what they do is clean up existing code.

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Obviously I know that CM uses AOSP. My point is that a lot of their work is dependent on the release of OEM source (drivers, etc). If they had to take AOSP and port Android to an entirely new device/hardware it'd be a different story. They add a lot of cool extra functionality but a lot of what they do is clean up existing code.
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"a lot of their work" .... I don't think you understand what they do.
The _only_ thing they depend on the OEM source for is the kernel for the drivers because, obviously, they don't write the drivers. The rest of 2.3.3 that my EVO is running is compiled directly against the Google released source.
If they needed the OEM source how are they _ahead_ of every OEM out there right now in releases? No device they support has official GB yet. None.
Theres a reason you can only get GB on AOSP and no Sense based ROMs have it. They aren't waiting on HTC for anything beyond the drivers in the kernel ... which they got in November when they finally released the 004 camera drivers (unless a 005 surfaces).

Justin.G11 said:
"a lot of their work" .... I don't think you understand what they do.
The _only_ thing they depend on the OEM source for is the kernel for the drivers because, obviously, they don't write the drivers. The rest of 2.3.3 that my EVO is running is compiled directly against the Google released source.
If they needed the OEM source how are they _ahead_ of every OEM out there right now in releases? No device they support has official GB yet. None.
Theres a reason you can only get GB on AOSP and no Sense based ROMs have it. They aren't waiting on HTC for anything beyond the drivers in the kernel ... which they got in November when they finally released the 004 camera drivers (unless a 005 surfaces).
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I was replying to the poster who said that OEMs should be consulted by CM. I'm just saying that OEMs have to get Android running on the hardware period, not to mention develop/design their overlays, which as much as I hate, are far more encompassing than the features/tweaks CM adds. Bottom line: they got much more to worry about than mostly just cleaning up. Not trying to discredit CM, just suggesting not to downplay the bigger role OEMs have in the process.

Thank you for the laugh of the day. VERRY WELL SAID?
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I've got the answer. The hardware is so similar between the vendors now, so google should set the standard (not the crappy half assed job they did before) and do an X-Prize type contest. Make one kick butt tablet and have the best minds compete. No skins, no bloatware, just a solid device. Sure they burn a lot of bridges with their vendors, but everyone would want it, and Google comes out ahead in the long run. Truly compete against apple with an open platform. The gPhone!
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Ipad 2 is already beat Check out the eee slate from asus. Amazing product.

Imprezed said:
Ipad 2 is already beat Check out the eee slate from asus. Amazing product.
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Wow you were not joking. Love Windows 7.
Now that's a tablet.
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novanosis85 said:
Wow you were not joking. Love Windows 7.
Now that's a tablet.
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It fills a niche. I personally have a hard time buying any of the "phone" tablets because if I'm on a computer 99% of the time I either have a IDE/Photoshop/Illustrator open. None of the current tablets will able to do what I need. But Windows 7 is not really fit for tablet - I used to have a Tablet PC running Windows 7 and you might as well just get a decent dual core Atom netbook (which I do have) because it's not worth it.
What I'm waiting for is Windows 8. It'll probably be very touch friendly in desktop mode and is suppose to have a secondary WP7/Metro-like shell which I assume will also be able to run mobile/tablet-like mini apps. Either use it like a iPad/Xoom/whatever or dock it to a keyboard and get real **** done. Best of both worlds and it'll probably work great with next gen Atoms or energy sipping multiple core ARM CPUs.

Can I just say that the guy bagging on CM7 is a douche? Can this be a "douche-bump" post?
That just happened!

What I don't understand is if you don't like the cm mod, why are you even on this forum. It might not be perfect, but even the nightlies are better than many finished products. There are also a good bunch of guys always willing to help out. I'm a big fan!
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babyschoof said:
What I don't understand is if you don't like the cm mod, why are you even on this forum. It might not be perfect, but even the nightlies are better than many finished products. There are also a good bunch of guys always willing to help out. I'm a big fan!
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CM is not for everyone. Saying cm is the only reason to be on these forums is retarded. Might ad well rename this site cm7-4-life.com.
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babyschoof said:
What I don't understand is if you don't like the cm mod, why are you even on this forum. It might not be perfect, but even the nightlies are better than many finished products. There are also a good bunch of guys always willing to help out. I'm a big fan!
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That's great that you're a big fan of CM, but not everyone likes or uses their ROMs. AOSP is not for everyone, that's why I'm glad we have choices.
MIUI 1.2.25 with stock kernel
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babyschoof said:
What I don't understand is if you don't like the cm mod, why are you even on this forum. It might not be perfect, but even the nightlies are better than many finished products. There are also a good bunch of guys always willing to help out. I'm a big fan!
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are you talking to me? Because CM is just about the only ROM I use and the reason why I even got the EVO in the first place. I think you're completely missing my point.
Someone said that OEMs (like HTC, Samsung) should get consulted by the CM team. I said its not a fair comparison because:
A. Most of the time CM depends on OEM provided drivers to get CM running. That in itself can be a hard thing to implement from scratch on a new device. Android isn't like Windows where you can buy a license and Microsoft provides full support.
B. OEM skins like Sense and Touchwiz are much bigger projects than the tweaks/functions that CM adds.
I just thought that poster was undervaluing how much the OEM has to do, and that getting consulted by the CM team is probably not as valuable to them as he thinks.
If any team should do contracting/consulting, it should be the MIUI team. Their work is incredibly impressive and covers a far larger scope than CM. At least they do a consumer/user friendly job at modifying/skinning Android - the best on Android in fact, OEM skins/overlays included.
Anyway, you took this way too personally and over blown it (why?) way beyond what it is. I appreciate and use CM but am not disillusioned or completely uninformed by the reality of consumer development.
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Any new mobile OS's coming out soon

I like android and all but it just gets old just like if I had the iPhone for awhile it would get old too. I'm tired of all the new phones coming out being android because its all the same with a little hardware change. If I'm going to get a new device I don't want it to be a android cause the evo is a great phone and there no need to upgrade it to something that really doesn't do much more besides have a nicer screen or a faster processer. So does anyone know if any new OS coming to the market soon to keep things fresh?
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We need consolidation not expansion.
Already too many platforms.

WebOS maybe?
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darrie1 said:
WebOS maybe?
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(Jeopardy?)
What is....a two year old platform that fell flat on its face?

Had a palm pre if they could get the hardware right it would be a good os if they placed that os in something like the evos hardware it would have been a success. But it still needs far better apps and someone to restrict the crap they put in there market. Anyways I'm tired of that os too.
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I herd Motorola is coming out with something new possibly
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touchjon said:
Anyways I'm tired of that os too.
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Sounds like you have a really short attention span.
A.d.d. perhaps?

Without the release of new OSes, you could always jump from OS to OS with each upgrade to switch it up a bit, Android > WP7 > WebOS > iPhone (where available) etc... By the time you make the rounds, years will have passed and the OS may be much different from what you remember.
On another note, there was rumor that Motorola was working on their own OS, we'll see if that comes to fruition, and Nokia has a new OS, Meego, that is linux based and supposed to be pretty smooth. Since we don't see many Nokias here, I am not sure if we will see Meego (though I do believe it has been ported to the HD2- along with every other OS).

Honeycomb is a pretty big changeup
I'm digging it so far

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Honeycomb is a pretty big changeup
I'm digging it so far
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On your xoom? I don't think we'll see that version of HC on our mobile phones...

I'd love to see a pretty solid Meego phone come out in the near future, it seems like the next best thing to Android.
Also, I wouldn't touch any proprietary Motorola OS with a ten-foot pole....

If palm/HP partnered with HTC and started making manly 4" phones and not little black Easter eggs webOS would bend android over and make it beg for mercy.

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If palm/HP partnered with HTC and started making manly 4" phones and not little black Easter eggs webOS would bend android over and make it beg for mercy.
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...AND have the same (or hell, any) dev interest.

My wife had the pre and the pixi. I didn't like webos. Won't be trying it again any time soon.

Can you please explain what features your missing that android or ios don't have?
Would you be pleased if they made another platform exactly like android or ios and just called it something else.... like "Humpty-Dumpty"? That's be something new I suppose...
Or you can just try Wp7.
In all reality though, there are more than likely no more os's coming out for phones at least for a while. Between android, ios, and wp7 there is really no reason...

So, Web OS is open source...

But the question is, what do you think the chances of a port for the i9000 are?
I don't know too much when it comes to the really technical side of things, but i assume there's no real reason that the Galaxy S couldn't run the OS, now that it's open source... is there?
Would you want to use Web OS on your phone?
It certainly is gorgeous, and fun to play with, if nothing else.
DISCUSS!

Since cm7 and other aosp builds work so poorly with the I9000, I wouldn't hold my breath. Don't think for a minute though that someone won't try.
Might be fun to play around with on a weekend.
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WebOS is useless, but it still could be fun. Nobody will work on it, however - too much work for a dead OS.

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Since cm7 and other aosp builds work so poorly with the I9000, I wouldn't hold my breath. Don't think for a minute though that someone won't try.
Might be fun to play around with on a weekend.
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They don't work poorly, cm7 is beautiful.
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THE WEB could be a good OS, but only for tablets, I'm sorry that the HP has discontinued it. For mobile phones do not believe anyone would spend time on it.

hansonator said:
Since cm7 and other aosp builds work so poorly with the I9000, I wouldn't hold my breath. Don't think for a minute though that someone won't try.
Might be fun to play around with on a weekend.
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I don't know where you got that information that cm7 and other ports with cm7 base are poorly working on i9000, because they work actually much better than samsung roms... -.- And that is fact, hands down.
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WebOS is useless, but it still could be fun. Nobody will work on it, however - too much work for a dead OS.
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I don't think so. I had the Palm Pre 1 and still have the Pre 3. They're great and easy to use. WebOs has so much potential, it shouldn't be given up that easy. It's so innovative and full of interesting functions, I would love to see a port to the SGS!!
Some of it's benefits:
really fast!!
easy to use
a great solution for "multitasking" (some say it's a useless gimmick, but they should take a look how other OS's solved this problem (!...))
Opensource
To compare how good the software architecture of WebOs is, take a look at the Moto Droid (Milestone 1) and the Palm Pre. While the Droid is very laggy on Eclaire or even Froyo, the Palm Pre, with the same processor as the Droid, runs very very fast and smooth. Even with WebOs 2.1, which isn't really released for the Pre. There's a port of WebOs 2.1 for the Pre and even then it's still so smooth and fast. Flash contents on websites are running very fast, but when I take a look at my Droid using flash contents on websites...I'm able to count the frames...
I still belive in WebOs, because it'S, in my opinion, a great OS!!

I would flash WebOS onto my device, even when i cannot go back to Android.
Devs, go for it

Sounds great
I would flash it , but android ics is really good!
maybe because the designer of webOS has worked on designing ICS
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I had a Palm Pre for a while after my Desire died. I would not use it again, WebOS has quite a good homebrew community but Android offers thousands of apps more and is more intuitive in my opinion.

Is this topic still alive, will someone work to port Webos to Galaxy S i9000.
I have used webos and now I moved to android after my webos died.
I personally perfer webos over android, could someone let me know the status of this topic.

Here is a nice article about the subject :
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/mobile-news/hp-webos-open-source-begins-8212-what-next/6588
actually its a smart step from Hp to go Open source better than killing the WebOS , they think if WebOs given the amount to attention as the android having now the WebOS tablet may superpass Android tablet and maybe IOS tablet too !!
let's hope for the best

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they think if WebOs given the amount to attention as the android having now the WebOS tablet may superpass Android tablet and maybe IOS tablet too !!
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What world are you living in? Who are "they"?
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I reckon we have about as much chance as getting a B2G port. That is, near zero.

Anybody able & interested in starting a port for our i9000?

HP to make WebOS open source

I'm sure everyone has read this. Thought I would share. I've played around on an HP Touchpad and I really like WebOS from what I've saw so far.
http://mobile.pcmag.com/device2/art.../www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2397447,00.asp
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daoliverio said:
I'm sure everyone has read this. Thought I would share. I've played around on an HP Touchpad and I really like WebOS from what I've saw so far.
http://mobile.pcmag.com/device2/art.../www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2397447,00.asp
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No one likes that crappy OS.....open sourced or not, is not going to matter!

It would be nice to have it integrated into android. Webos has some cool features that would look good on android. With it being open source i see people porting things over

I think that if some really good devs get their hands on the source code they might make it what it was intended to be all along. I think that webOS never experienced its full capacity because it didn't attract the pockets of major investors, but that can change.
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I hope its ported. Just another reason to feed my addiction to flashing roms haha
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so, a guy has cobbled together a pretty pre-pre-pre-alpha monstrosity and slapped it into the evo 3d.
http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/9/2...r-htcs-evo-3d-a-proof-of-concept-for-the-time
i'm switching to verizon once the nexus is released, so my evo will turn into more of a toy/media device, and i think i'd really love to play around with webos on a huge evo screen.
am i alone on this one? or is anybody else out there plotting and scheming about how to shoehorn it into our previous evos?

I personally enjoy webos. If it only had the support that Android or ios has (apps wise) then I believe it can be a real competitor in the near future. Would be dope if the Evo gets a port
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Would be very interesting. There are quite a few very nice functional and visual to WebOS, be great to just get certain parts of it, I don't really want a full port(besides to play around with), but just some of its features and effects would be nice to integrate into a ROM. Def with ICS.

I personally love web os it has many great features but I'm confused when palm owned it I thought it was open source I remember hearing Ruby talk about how great that was. Why did HP close it in the first place. I mean I might be wrong so please if I am school me
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delman420 said:
I personally love web os it has many great features but I'm confused when palm owned it I thought it was open source I remember hearing Ruby talk about how great that was. Why did HP close it in the first place. I mean I might be wrong so please if I am school me
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I don't remember really. In my limited time using the touchpad (i refuse to buy one for myself since it's been dumped) I've loved it. It's really simple to use and has some cool features. I'd like to see it running on this huge EVO screen also!
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mazdarider23 said:
No one likes that crappy OS.....open sourced or not, is not going to matter!
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Wat? I'm going to venture a guess here that you've never used it. It's far from crappy. The failure was the devices it was placed on and their prices. WebOS wasn't the problem.