I.m not a dev.
Just wandering why it's harder to make green lens work well than red lens.
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Would CM9 surpport both green&red lens?
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I think it's because Defy+ (where the Gingerbread kernel comes from) has basically the same hardware as the red camera Defy, but the green camera one is different.
I think he meant 'why' is it difficult to make Gingerbread work(with all the features) on the green lens. I'm not a dev either but afaik the Green lens(SOC module) is actually better than the Red lens(BAYER module) since the SOC module/OmniVision OV5642 sensor is also used in Iphone 4 and Iphone 4 has one of the best 5mp cameras around. Its Motorola who screwed up with the drivers for this module and tried to cover up their failure by changing the Defy+ module. Kinda gives you feeling that we Defy owners are the abominated human test subjects of a failed experiment doesn't it?
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Kinda gives you feeling that we Defy owners are the abominated human test subjects of a failed experiment doesn't it?
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Not really, no. It's just a product. A product that does things which your grandparents would not have believed possible. And yet we complain about it. Talk about ungrateful!
Anyway...the only hardware difference between the red and green lens Defy is the camera module. The stock Eclair and Froyo ROMs for the Defy included software modules for both camera types - it you look in logcat you can see the logs of the camera application detecting which hardware module is present, so it can call up the correct software modules to make it work.
The Defy+ is only manufactured with the red lens camera - Motorola have obviously given up on the green lens one following their failure to get it working properly with their chosen processor. (It does work, they just didn't manage to get all the features of the module to work properly with the OMAP processor - Apple use the same Omnivision camera module for 720p recording in the iPhone 4!) Thus the stock Gingerbread ROMs for the Defy+ do not include any support for the green lens camera. AFAIK you can put a Defy+ ROM on a green lens Defy and it will work except for the camera - I think someone tried it on this thread. Thus for developers to make a Gingerbread ROM which works on a green lens Defy, they have to integrate the green lens software modules from a pre-Gingerbread ROM along with the stock red lens stuff - but that's all. Everything else is the same.
Actually, developers don't necessarily even have to do that - the greenbread mod is designed to be installed on phones running Gingerbread ROMs to make the green lens camera work with no other changes required to the ROM.
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Not really, no. It's just a product. A product that does things which your grandparents would not have believed possible. And yet we complain about it. Talk about ungrateful!
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Really? Defy has features my grandparents would not have believed possible? You knew my grandparents that well? Well then no wonder someone of your age would be so impressed by the Defy..you just never thought it was possible back in your time.
Know what, if you were so miffed at me for criticizing Motorola there are better insults available..try googling a few. Regardless, I wasn't exactly criticizing the Defy as a phone, au contraire, its one helluva phone, I use it myself and I love it. I was rather critical of the way Motorola handled it. Instead of making this already great device even greater with further software updates, they dumped it for a slightly improved iteration of the exact same thing with total disregard for the Defy's existing customer base. I don't know how you feel about it and frankly I don't care but I myself feel betrayed as a customer and nothing anyone can say will make me feel otherwise. For some further enlightenment on this topic pay a visit to the official Motorola support forums.
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Is it possible to port the camera software of the xperia10 to our evo?? Just a curious question
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possibly.
Why, what does it look like? (the only way I could check out an X10 right now is to go ask my ex... probably not gonna. ^^ )
You might lose some functionality (like front facing camera) unless someone's willing to get it all worked out.
Remember, when CM got AOSP camera working, it took them a LONG time to get a lot of stuff working, so it would take a while, and possibly someone REALLY dedicated to working on this.
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possibly.
Why, what does it look like? (the only way I could check out an X10 right now is to go ask my ex... probably not gonna. ^^ )
You might lose some functionality (like front facing camera) unless someone's willing to get it all worked out.
Remember, when CM got AOSP camera working, it took them a LONG time to get a lot of stuff working, so it would take a while, and possibly someone REALLY dedicated to working on this.
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thanks for your reply
I was just curious about it, cause some people said that the camera on the evo is from the same company as the camera on the iphone and what makes the images look better is the software.
so i though about the software of the 8MP cam of the xperia (which i also heard that is pretty good) ported to the evo.
It would be nice if somebody get that tested.
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there has been a big issue going round where people have started getting clicking noises coming from their phone/camera. we all have our different reason for when it started but the important thing is getting to the bottom of it. i have installed different roms and updated the camera.apk which has given me about 3 different camera firmware versions. all of which the noises reacted different. some worst then others. i believe the reason for the noises is that our phones along the lines of installing different roms has given us the wrong firmware for our cameras. as far as i know from reading about the phones have been shipped with 2 different cameras. therefore it would make sense that having the firmware for the camera which your phone doesnt have would course the camera to not work properly.
so im asking everyone to take their camera.apk from their phone and upload it to this thread with the firmware written next to it so that eventually we will have every camera firmware there is for us all the download and install and if im right we will come across the right firmware for our phone and the noise will have stopped.
What are these noises, I've been with several SGS2's and never heard of any..
For the camera APK's you can always take them apart your self, would be much faster that waiting for anyone.
Actually you might be wrong with your assumptions, the only camera version that clicks when opening or changing to video mode is the OC camera, no matter what camera firmware you install.
mine makes a noise but it always works. normal for me. running kf3.
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Actually you might be wrong with your assumptions, the only camera version that clicks when opening or changing to video mode is the OC camera, no matter what camera firmware you install.
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well if that was the case then why had my phone never made the noises? i had different stock roms, custom roms and then i installed miui and the camera noises started. sometimes it does it when the card is reading, when i use flashlight when the phone turns on and when i open camera. so its really not what you think. inless maybe its oc firmware what tells the camera to do it? either way for something to not do it then do it after changing a rom it is def down to firmware not hardware
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What are these noises, I've been with several SGS2's and never heard of any..
For the camera APK's you can always take them apart your self, would be much faster that waiting for anyone.
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no idea how to do that
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well if that was the case then why had my phone never made the noises? i had different stock roms, custom roms and then i installed miui and the camera noises started. sometimes it does it when the card is reading, when i use flashlight when the phone turns on and when i open camera. so its really not what you think. inless maybe its oc firmware what tells the camera to do it? either way for something to not do it then do it after changing a rom it is def down to firmware not hardware
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Maybe you didn't pay attention before and your camera was acting like that before too. From my talks with romanian SII owners i got to the conclusion that all OC cameras do that, while the rest of the cameras don't. Don't you think it's a bit weird that every single OC camera does that and others with different camera version couldn't confirm clicking noises ? Can't be a coincidence.
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Maybe you didn't pay attention before and your camera was acting like that before too. From my talks with romanian SII owners i got to the conclusion that all OC cameras do that, while the rest of the cameras don't. Don't you think it's a bit weird that every single OC camera does that and others with different camera version couldn't confirm clicking noises ? Can't be a coincidence.
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but like i said. they are going on the basis of what the phone tells them on the firmware. whats to say its not the oc firmware what tells the camera to do the checks what make the noise? i know 100% it didnt make the noise before. and im not the only one. i bet u any money if someone can make a apk which will install se on my phone rather then oc my phone will stop making noise
Guess you are stuck with the clicking noise until Samsung releases an update that could fix it. Doubt you can change OC to any other version. Mine is OC and acts the same.
Isn't the clicking the shutter opening? If so that's hardware and can't be fixed with firmware, maybe that's the reason for two different camera models, new one with a quite shutter
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Now with the 7740 mango update out could there be any hope for the camera drivers to work better with the HD2 since the Titan is from HTC? Or has this been a lost cause since most people are satisfied with the Candlelight no flash settings. J.W.
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Now with the 7740 mango update out could there be any hope for the camera drivers to work better with the HD2 since the Titan is from HTC? Or has this been a lost cause since most people are satisfied with the Candlelight no flash settings. J.W.
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the problem is that the camera in the HD2 is kinda old now, unless a new device is released which uses the same camera we're out of luck with newer drivers.
The irony is that the actual CCD in the HD2 is more than capable of taking really good photos, even by todays standards, but the optics on the HD2 suck big time, which is why we have never had decent poor light photos.
All I want is for the green tinge to be gone. I found photos and videos of fairly decent quality otherwise, just would love to have an opportunity to take party pics and not look like a mermaid. The only solution for me at the moment is to use Android when taking pics, but Mango has better sharing facilities.
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All I want is for the green tinge to be gone. I found photos and videos of fairly decent quality otherwise, just would love to have an opportunity to take party pics and not look like a mermaid. The only solution for me at the moment is to use Android when taking pics, but Mango has better sharing facilities.
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See i only get that green tint when the flash is on, i sware its to do with the timing, it seems like the flash turns off ever so slightly too quick,
Now light its self travels at a constant, but when that light interacts with different things, ie glass, different colours end up slowing down more than others, think of it like this, the harder something hits it, the easier it is to pass through, light has more or less energy depending on the frequency, which basically means some light ends up going faster than others as it passes throgh objects.
I think that the flash is turning off too quick meaning some of the light isnt actually making it to the CCD in time giving us a funny tint.
Id hazzard a guess that if you took off the screen protected to the camera or its IR filter it would actually be ok
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See i only get that green tint when the flash is on, i sware its to do with the timing, it seems like the flash turns off ever so slightly too quick,
Now light its self travels at a constant, but when that light interacts with different things, ie glass, different colours end up slowing down more than others, think of it like this, the harder something hits it, the easier it is to pass through, light has more or less energy depending on the frequency, which basically means some light ends up going faster than others as it passes throgh objects.
I think that the flash is turning off too quick meaning some of the light isnt actually making it to the CCD in time giving us a funny tint.
Id hazzard a guess that if you took off the screen protected to the camera or its IR filter it would actually be ok
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YukiXDA fixed the green tint issue, and then unfixed it (see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=14473423&postcount=438). It seems that the flash is not in synch with the shutter opening, and at the moment of the shutter opening the LEDs are warming up(or cooling down) and are not giving the correct colour.
I think xbmod's hardware solution of removing the IR filter is fine if you only use WP7.5 on your HD2. But for those of us dual-booting, with a perfectly good camera on android, it seems a drastic measure, especially as the effect on the android camera are unknown as yet (no reply from xbmod to my question, maybe he does not dual boot).
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YukiXDA fixed the green tint issue, and then unfixed it (see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=14473423&postcount=438). It seems that the flash is not in synch with the shutter opening, and at the moment of the shutter opening the LEDs are warming up(or cooling down) and are not giving the correct colour.
I think xbmod's hardware solution of removing the IR filter is fine if you only use WP7.5 on your HD2. But for those of us dual-booting, with a perfectly good camera on android, it seems a drastic measure, especially as the effect on the android camera are unknown as yet (no reply from xbmod to my question, maybe he does not dual boot).
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Aye, thats what i said
Same cause same effect, just a different why!
Hadnt realised xboxmod had already done that, seems quite an extreme method!
you know, we're assuming its to do with the camera, there is every chance its actually the LED drivers thats buggered.
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Aye, thats what i said
Same cause same effect, just a different why!
Hadnt realised xboxmod had already done that, seems quite an extreme method!
you know, we're assuming its to do with the camera, there is every chance its actually the LED drivers thats buggered.
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True, of course a simple solution is to set white balance to fluorescent or incandescent when taking photos under low light conditions (options not available to HD2 until SP1 I think), but it would be better to have a permanent solution.
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Hi guys,
I was backing up mu photos the other day and realized my camera shots from my stock, non rooted days were much better.
First, yes I am on a sense ROM, and yes I searched both XDA and google.
Does anyone have the stock camera apk from the official ROMs froyo or gingerbread? I wouldn't mind testing to see if the "old" cameras really were better.
I rarely use my phone for video, but lots for pics. I do not want opinions on what ROM has a better camera, just the stock one so that I can do a backup, test the old one, and compare images.
Once I have the old apk, I will even post comparison photos if anyone else is interested.
Thanks
Umm I think the problem is not HTCcamera.apk
In my opinion the problem is GB kernel
maybe you should download a stock rom nad just take the cam apk out of it ?
+1 for this.. I have the same feelings about photos but I never actually compared.
There's also the ol' scratches on the battery cover's lens issue.. Have you checked that yet? Didn't really specify in what way your new photos are not as good..
The problem is GB with sense, if you want better pictures then use a froyo sense rom or if you want GB you can try Miui or CM 7.10 roms, all the others they make dark pictures when using the flash in the dark.
Thanks for the replies guys, I have the official Telus Froyo ROM but as an RUU. I'll download a rooted stock froyo ROM and do 2 things,
1. Pull the apk and try with my current GB ROM
2. Backup, flash a rooted stock froyo and test.
And yes, I did think of the scratched cover thing, I removed the cover and took pics.......they still lok like sh** compared to my old stock froyo photos.
It migt be a GB thing though, my photos from my LeeDroid froyo ROM days look way better as well.
Thanks again, when I have the time to do all the necaesary backing up, flashing and restoring I'll tack pics and test this out.
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i don`t think the problem is gb sense
I agree that the original froyo camera has better quality but not that much better. I use miui and it has a fairly decent camera (with full screen 4mp). It doesn't have 720p video but the video is a lot smoother, tho still not much in terms of quality.
This probably doesn't really help anyone, but the Desire's camera isn't very good to begin with. Honestly, being a photography enthusiast, I am usually quite disappointed with the picture quality from the camera. My previous two phones are Sony Ericsson; A W810 followed by a W960. Despite the W810 having only 2MP and the W860 having 3.2MP, they still took FAR better pictures than the 5MP on the Desire. Especially with the W810, I was thoroughly impressed with it's picture quality and low light performance. Sure the Desire's photos look good on it's screen, but full size on a monitor typically leads to cringing.
I've been considering moving back to Sony phones, specifically the Arc (S). I just need to get some play time with one to test out the camera and ergonomics..
So you're saying that you're a photography enthusiast and you need a phone with a good camera. What do you need it for? An enthusiast always carries some sort of a true (dedicated) camera with him, be it a compact, dSLR or a SLR.
i have same problem after i rooted phone. i installed runnymede ROM but still quality of photographs are not same my first photographs with this phone, nothing changed:S
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So you're saying that you're a photography enthusiast and you need a phone with a good camera. What do you need it for? An enthusiast always carries some sort of a true (dedicated) camera with him, be it a compact, dSLR or a SLR.
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Try carrying an awkward couple of pounds around with you everywhere.. My phone is on me at all times anyway, so when I see something inspiring, I use what I have. I don't see any point in also carrying a point-and-shoot when I know that a commendable camera can be put into a phone (ie iphone4, Nokia 808) but typically isn't these days.
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Attached HTC Camera APK but I dont know if it would do any good. From Runnymede AIO Special Edition.
Did it work?
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Did it work?
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Same question here...
Following this thread with interest because I know what the TS-er means. Pictures taken with a stock Froyo or GB rom have better quality and especially brighter flash in dark conditions.
I believe this to be kernel-related. My phone's on An-Droid 2.2.0 now (imho the best rom for our devices) and with the custom kernel that comes with it the camera's flash doesn't 'peak' at the moment a picture is taken. Flashing the stock kernel (or an snq one) changed this and now the camera flash is ok again.
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lol install amze cam and that is it
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If you use a port its normal i trink, but with most aosps pole cyanogenmod its the same for me
I have HTCCamera.apk from USCC froyo stock rom. I already try to install with adb push and reboot, but the camera app won't show up in app list. I want to change the camera.apk from CM7 because the result and features is not good enough. Can I use HTCCamera.apk in CM7?
Hey guys, so I was looking into buying the a used Motorola Defy since the TMOUS version can work on AT&T's 3G. I was just wondering if there are any general hardware-related problems that are common for Defy users.
For example, I know the LG Optimus 2X/G2X had a lot of problems with freezing and stuff, and my old Samsung Vibrant was known for having terrible GPS connection.
On a side note, how is CyanogenMod (either 7, 9, or 10) as far as bugs are concerned? I tried looking into the bugs but it's kinda hard to tell without being familiar with the Defy dev scene.
Thank you!
There was a problem with early defy where the phonespeaker doesn't work. The newer ones doesn't have this problem.
Cyanogenmod 7 is really stable and bugfree.
cyanogenmod 9 isn't in development anymore, so it isn't really stable or bugfree.
Cyanogenmod 10 works really good and is bugfree for me, however aokp jb works even better for me.
Exactly what I wanted to know. Thanks!
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Sorry for double-posting but there was another thing I was wondering. I keep reading about Red/Green Lens models, and how Green lens ones won't have a working camera if it's upgraded to gingerbread or something like that. Is that still true, or has it been fixed?
I can confirm the speaker problem. the stock ROM had Bluetooth problems too. Although that might just be a anti piracy measure butI couldn't send/ receive apks and later I couldn't send any files without using third party Bluetooth applications (Bluetooth File Transfer). But now I am running CM10 ( Hail quarx!!) The Bluetooth issue is solved but the speaker still stops playing music suddenly.
I wonder if there is a fix??
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Sorry for double-posting but there was another thing I was wondering. I keep reading about Red/Green Lens models, and how Green lens ones won't have a working camera if it's upgraded to gingerbread or something like that. Is that still true, or has it been fixed?
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There are actually 3 Versions. The Defy MB525 with the Green Lense, The defy MB526 (the defy +), and the Defy MB525 with the redlense.
The redlense defy and the defy + are pretty much the same except the battery. The Greenlense defy is different because it has a different camera module. For some reasons motorola only gave an update to gingerbread for the defy+ and the redlense.You can also flash it on a green lense def but your camera wont work(kernel related issues).But if you choose to run a custom firmware you wont have those problems. Due to the fact that we found a way to run custom kernels some days ago, the problems with the camera module are gone in the future.
Oh, I see. So from what I understand after reading up a little bit more, the green lens camera should be working identically to the red lens, except only the red lens can do 720p. Is that correct?
But if 720p recording isn't all that important to me, the green lens should be fine for running all custom ROMs as well as the red lens, right?
my phone ran in to a problem where the search buttons led would not work however gave it to the service center and they replaced the part,i thing it was only my phone having this problems, anyways go ahead and buy the defy
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Hey there,
The common problems i can confirm is the ear piece speaker problem still occurring on the MB526's (Defy+).
The only other problem i occur qua hardware is the digitizer freaking out from time to time. it's usually fixed with a lock/unlock.
That's all i can tell from my experience with my defy+ for over a year