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to anyone whose received their preorders, how is the keyboard? how does it feel and will it work well for large handed individuals?
You might want to post this in the G2 forum cos none of us are getting the Desire Z for quite some time it looks like.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=751
I've touched it, and I like it very much. The surface is a bit rough so your fingers won't slide around. The buttons are easy to press, yet gives good feedback. Spacing is good, but the buttons could be raised a bit.
I like the keyboard, it remind me of the older HTC phones with the slide keyboard just with more spacing. One thing i do noticed is the numbering on the top has a brighter color then the letters, and it throws me off a little when i type the letter "O" but keep pushing the number "0". after a while you'll get used to it though.
Does it feel basically the same as the Touch Pro 2 keyboard ? Because it looks pretty much the same, albeit with one less row.
to me, pretty close with the spacing and feel compare to the tp2. yes, there are one less row of keys though so you'll have to get used to that too if you were used to that keyboard
Ah that one missing row.
Seriously WTF HTC?
If you type any amount of numbers it gets old fast.
Seems the 7 pro is the only decent new phone.
Doesn't the keyboard have a key that allows you to set the keyboard input to numbers? Like how if you hit shift twice on the HTC Dream, it'll let you type in all caps without reverting to lowercase.
Bah, my question/explanation is awkwardly phrased. Brainz are dead
I must say, the keyboard looks really good and similar to the TP2, however, the HTC 7 Pro keyboard looks like the best one ive ever seen. Too bad the rest of the phone looks iffy and that it runs Windows Phone 7..
When I used the hardware keyboard it always misses a lot of the letters I put in.
Does this happen to anyone else?
Yep. I think a lot of people are experiencing this. It's almost hilarious in a way.
See this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=782203
I returned my Epic for this reason and swapped it for the Evo after reading other reports of this issue and then having it confirmed by the guy at the Sprint store who also owns the Epic.
IMO the bulk added by the keyboard as well as the looseness of the mechanism causing a gap between the keyboard and screen made it not worth keeping if the keyboard isn't even going to work properly despite these issues.
I say either keep returning them until you get one that works right or get a different phone while you still can.
No, seriously. I've been wondering this for a while now.
I have big hands, so I almost never used my previous phone with one hand. I usually used the index finger of my other hand to touch everything. The only time this was kind of an issue is if I was eating, and I would often just use my little finger of my other hand since i was holding something.
So I have to admit, it blows my mind when someone sees all the pluses of the Note and their dealbreaker is 'can't use one hand easily? No sale'. What's that all about? I can kind of understand that people are just used to typing with one hand. (and someone to come out with a custom keyboard to fix that).
I can understand rejecting the Note because it doesn't fit in your pocket, or because it's too expensive. That's fine - expected even.
But rejecting the Note because you can't say, reach the notification bar with your thumb? What?
- Frank
P.S. This is often why I tell people it's a tablet, so they naturally expect to use two hands.
I don't have a frigging clue. I haven't used my phone with a single hand only since my Nokia 5800... People will say all kinds of weird stuff against things they're not used to.
Because it makes it harder for women to put their makeup on in the morning while texting and driving down the road.
In addition to the texting while driving, it makes it more difficult to browse for porn while jacking off, check your Facebook while flipping through channels with the TV remote, drunk dial while chugging booze, pick your nose while researching on wikipedia, and many other important things.
Ha ha, I actually can use it one handed just about as well as the other phones I've recently used, including the GSII, so no problem with the above activities. My favorite way to browse the web is to hold the phone in portrait orientation with one hand, between thumb and middle finger (thumb on bottom and middle finger on top) and use my index finger to scroll and click links. This works fine on the note; I'm not able to do this with larger tablets, and for this reason I don't use them much. I usually revert to two hands to type, but do so with any size phone, as I prefer Swype.
Because you hold your ciggie on your left hand?
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In addition to the texting while driving, it makes it more difficult to browse for porn while jacking off, check your Facebook while flipping through channels with the TV remote, drunk dial while chugging booze, pick your nose while researching on wikipedia, and many other important things.
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Lol! Jokes apart, I actually can use it single handedly. Only typing the leftmost column of alphabets can be slightly uncomfortable, albeit do-able...
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i can reach the notification bar with one finger
In terms of screen size, it's not THAT big
I'm not sure what is difficult to understand about the need for one-handed use, quite simply there at tines I need to use the phone and only have one hand free such as about ten minutes ago when walking the dog. That said I do find I can generally use the Note one-handed but it just needs slightly different positioning.
One handed use is a requirement for me as well, as the poster above me said, there are just to many times when I only have one hand to pull of a quick tid bit of information. If it was not important, I'd stick with the 7" form factor.
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P.S. This is often why I tell people it's a tablet, so they naturally expect to use two hands.
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Funny you should say that, we have an ipad2 and Ive never touched it since the note came. This is definitely a replacement for a tablet, as I have proved to myself...
The only thing better with the ipad2 is the smoothness, pinch to zoom especially.
Because one hand using is a thing of mobility.
In my opinion its not just to be able to reache the status bar with one hand its more then this. Sometimes youve only one hand free and the note doesnt feel safety in one hand, im tall (193) my hands are large but using it with one hand it always was uncomfortable...
I love the note for surfing but as a mobile device for every day its too big!
Since I've always used two hands for things like typing or browsing so, for me, the fact that I can hold the note in one hand and (forget about handwriting for now) hit the keyboard much more accurately and much faster with the S-Pen makes this phone that much more useful for me...
It´s kind of an odd question.
I too usually use the phone with both hands but sometimes its handy to have one hand free, so you can eat or hold a drink while you surf the web (or about any othe million things you can do with one hand).
I had a play with a demo one today. I could comfortably use it one handed. Though i apparently have big hands
It wouldnt be a deal breaker for me. But its certainly useful. Its generally the odd text, or a bit of browsing whilst eating a sandwich etc.
Walking the dog is an interesting example, hadn't thought of that one.
A pretty good reason came in another thread - so you can use it while standing on a bus/subway.
- Frank
I've always wondered why recently..well for awhile now why have there been so many new releases of Android devices with touchscreen without qwerty keyboards and with touch screens with qwerty keyboards..but no trackpads or trackballs? I've always find it very useful. Since The G1, Nexus one and The G2. Even the HTC mytouchs.
But now it seems they're forgetting them. I've been holding out on so many good phones just for that fact. Ima keyboard kinda guy,but I'll take a chance with an all touch phone but if it atleast had a track pad or track ball. The one for the Nexus One was absolutely awesome.
I mean what do you guys think? Are you guys like me? I mean,its like a small tiny mouse that can help select and click hard to reach links and other stuff on webpages. Very useful for people with big fingers.
What are your thoughts?
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Don't care I never ever use it. Not even in recovery lol.
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There is always blackberry
I certainly hope its not the end. The precision I get from my G2's trackpad is soo much better than what I can get from my finger. I still want an Android phone with a physical keyboard and a trackpad.
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Trackpad is one more thing that increase the device cost to manufacturers.
unfortunately new devices don't come with it, and I don't think it will change in the future, once we have big touch screens...
Sad, RIP trackpads...
I dont need the trackpad... bigger screen would be nice No Trackpad but bigger screen thats what i like
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Bharakrama said:
I certainly hope its not the end. The precision I get from my G2's trackpad is soo much better than what I can get from my finger. I still want an Android phone with a physical keyboard and a trackpad.
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Keyboard yes Trackpad...why? Seriously what can you do with it that cannot be done with a finger faster? lol
TBH, the only time I ever use the trackpad is the wake the phone and in recovery. Newer phones are becoming all screen and you may be seeing capacitive and physical buttons going away as well, a la Galaxy Nexus (or Nexus Prime or whatever they end up calling it). Honeycomb and ICS both have on-screen buttons, which strongly suggests buttons going bye bye. Personally, I don't even use the keyboard. I came from the Vibrant and got used to using the on screen keyboard. The main selling points of the G2 were HSPA+ and the hackability because it was Cyanogen's daily driver at the time. While I may not find use for the trackpad and keyboard, I hope OEMs keep these features. One of the major selling point of Android over the iPhone and WM devices is the ability to customize and have a phone with all of the features you'd want.
Ahh, well I guess there's not many of us trackpad lovers.
It's just much more easier with it. I've used it a lot .
Especially when browseing , for those hard to reach links without having to zoom all over the place.
And track pad wake so it won't be such a hassle going to the darn power button up top.
Its also much easier to move the cursor when typing certain things.
Like me when I made a mistake,instead touching to the misspelling and always touching the wrong space,I can immidietly scroll to it with the trackpad.
But,I guess its just a few of us.
I'm afraid I'm forced to get used to a non-trackpad/trackball device sooner or later.
Thanks for your opinions guys.
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I was always fascinated by Blackberry's trackpad/ball accuracy and loved it at first on my Desire Z. But from day one, just because of moving in light, the trackpad would behave all crazy and from that day I just stopped using it. Even when I think about it now, I don't use it at all not even for corrections. So for me its a good way the manufacturers are going. Also removing them help them make full screen phones (ala GNexus) so it keeps the phone size in check as well.
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TBH, Honeycomb and ICS both have on-screen buttons, which strongly suggests buttons going bye bye.
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HC is the tablet only iteration of Android. The reasoning in doing away with the buttons on tablets, is that you have so much more screen real estate on tablets, and taking some for the home/back/menu buttons is no big deal.
I think ICS supports devices having capacitive buttons or not. I haven't looked at the actual screen proportions/dimensions, but from the Galaxy Nexus screenshots, it looks like the screen is actually lengthened to accommodate the screen buttons. Otherwise, they are hogging up way too much screen area.
I personally would not like to see the capacitive buttons go away. If nothing else, the Home buttons works most the time when an app freezes up. If you are using an app and have the screen buttons hidden (like a game of watching a video), you are just stuck waiting, or maybe hold down the power button.
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HC is the tablet only iteration of Android. The reasoning in doing away with the buttons on tablets, is that you have so much more screen real estate on tablets, and taking some for the home/back/menu buttons is no big deal.
I think ICS supports devices having capacitive buttons or not. I haven't looked at the actual screen proportions/dimensions, but from the Galaxy Nexus screenshots, it looks like the screen is actually lengthened to accommodate the screen buttons. Otherwise, they are hogging up way too much screen area.
I personally would not like to see the capacitive buttons go away. If nothing else, the Home buttons works most the time when an app freezes up. If you are using an app and have the screen buttons hidden (like a game of watching a video), you are just stuck waiting, or maybe hold down the power button.
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x2 hardware buttons definately help...
I think the trackball/trackpad is a legacy from pre-iPhone android... which looked a heck of a lot like a blackberry.
Personally I like and use the trackpad quite a bit. It's perfect for adjusting typos and allowing for better cursor placement as well as coming in handy as a directional tool when using the terminal or ssh.
Plus having it light up in different colors a la the nexus one is a great way to provide notifications.
I don't really like this new over simplified approach mobile devices are getting though. Sometimes it's worthwhile to include more than one button on a device and just because android devices have different hardware than apple ones doesn't mean it's bad or that android needs to conform.
These days people seem to be opting for the Apple route of form over function. Why stop with the trackpad? Get rid of the camera button or even the volume rocker and just have a device consisting of a backplate and glass screen. I'm sure people will think it's gorgeous without taking into consideration the huge loss of convenient functionality.
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blk_jack said:
Personally I like and use the trackpad quite a bit. It's perfect for adjusting typos and allowing for better cursor placement as well as coming in handy as a directional tool when using the terminal or ssh.
Plus having it light up in different colors a la the nexus one is a great way to provide notifications.
I don't really like this new over simplified approach mobile devices are getting though. Sometimes it's worthwhile to include more than one button on a device and just because android devices have different hardware than apple ones doesn't mean it's bad or that android needs to conform.
These days people seem to be opting for the Apple route of form over function. Why stop with the trackpad? Get rid of the camera button or even the volume rocker and just have a device consisting of a backplate and glass screen. I'm sure people will think it's gorgeous without taking into consideration the huge loss of convenient functionality.
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It isn't form over function, it is just that most "normal" people don't use it. They have probably stadium size amounts of people that do surveys that say they don't use it. Case in point, me. I do everything with my phone literally and I've never had to use the track pad. Gimme a mouse or a screen not an in between!
I hope so,seems like wasted space that could be a screen to me.
The trackpad on a smart phone reminds me of the damn nub they used to put on laptops, I hated that thing lol
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Personally I like and use the trackpad quite a bit. It's perfect for adjusting typos and allowing for better cursor placement
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Me too.
I'd be able to get along fine without the trackpad, if every screen keyboard (including 3rd party keyboards like Swype) had arrow keys (or the option to turn them off/on at your preference). Otherwise, trying to get accurate cursor placement for correcting typos by jabbing on the screen is enough to drive me crazy.
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killj0y said:
It isn't form over function, it is just that most "normal" people don't use it. They have probably stadium size amounts of people that do surveys that say they don't use it. Case in point, me. I do everything with my phone literally and I've never had to use the track pad.
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I'm not personally interested in what the masses of cattle want. While I believe that you do quite a bit with your phone (without a trackpad), most smartphone owners mostly use it to play Angry Birds and make poorly typed, one sentence status updates on Facebook, and not much more.
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Me too.
I'd be able to get along fine without the trackpad, if every screen keyboard (including 3rd party keyboards like Swype) had arrow keys (or the option to turn them off/on at your preference). Otherwise, trying to get accurate cursor placement for correcting typos by jabbing on the screen is enough to drive me crazy.
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I'm not personally interested in what the masses of cattle want. While I believe that you do quite a bit with your phone (without a trackpad), most smartphone owners mostly use it to play Angry Birds and make poorly typed, one sentence status updates on Facebook, and not much more.
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I'm pretty sure you were agreeing with me, but in either case lol, i was just pointing out that it costs less not to put in a trackpad, especially considering most people probably don't use it. I am not talking down those who do, it is similar to a physical keyboard, i do in fact use it, but there is probably far more people that don't care for one, especially if there is a possibility of it lowering costs.
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I'm pretty sure you were agreeing with me, but in either case lol, i was just pointing out that it costs less not to put in a trackpad, especially considering most people probably don't use it. I am not talking down those who do, it is similar to a physical keyboard, i do in fact use it, but there is probably far more people that don't care for one, especially if there is a possibility of it lowering costs.
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I understand completely what you mean as far as cost goes. Me personally I like having my track pad and I'd probably miss it if it weren't there. But with all the development for the g2 I dont think I'm going to get rid of this phone for a while
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I understand completely what you mean as far as cost goes. Me personally I like having my track pad and I'd probably miss it if it weren't there. But with all the development for the g2 I dont think I'm going to get rid of this phone for a while
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That goes double for me. I was wishing big with the new nexus, but no SD slot is a deal breaker for me boo...
Hi guys.
I'm going to be purchasing a Nexus 7 for reading some books and watching some movies, and I had a question before placing my order.
So my father has an iPad, and I have tried typing on it. I type just like a normal keyboard, at the same pace. However, I checked out the Nexus 7 at Fry's today and due to the small screen typing like one does on a fullscreen keyboard is very difficult.
I wanted to know how you guys type with it. Do you hold it with your palms and type with your thumbs, like a smartphone, or some other way?
Thanks!
Type with thumbs in portrait and landscape using thumb keyboard
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I use Swype so I hold the tablet with one hand and swipe with the other.
I can type really fast on my N7, trust me it's so much easier then doing it on a 10" screen. You can use your thumbs easily with a little practice.
I hold the tablet with my palms on the bottom sides and my index fingers on the middle of the sides when typing, can easily type this way.
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Use the thumb keyboard app, really an amazing app.
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Stock keyboard has been fine for me...
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Thumb keyboard has a split keyboard. It also allows tons of customization like having different layouts for portrait or landscape.
Always been my favorite. Where do you think Apple got the idea? Android had split keyboards for years.
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I use thumb keyboard as well, but don't forget the voice dictation which I'm using right now.
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I use stock keyboard.
Put it in landscape, and type with both my left and right index fingers
Its slower that iPad 10 inch
But faster and less tiring than using my thumbs.
I have mine in portrait and type away using thumbs, or use both index fingers if the tablet is leaned against something i.e. my lap. It works well and I don't make as much typo mistakes as I do on my phone.
I avoid typing in landscape as it's worse, despite the assumption that bigger keys means better accuracy, but not in my case
I can barely type on a real keyboard, I find I'm 2-3 times faster with Swype. The only issue I've found it has a problem starting an input with a number. It always seems to either not input the next letter, or if it shows a word suggestion to use and you click it, it will show the digit you typed plus the full word, so you have to delete the 1st digit. I looked at the stored dictionary and there's nothing odd saved in it. Anyone else have this quirk? I always use the keyboard in portrait.
Using messagease, device size doesn't really matter
Hackers keyboard, landscape mode with my thumbs, love having a full top row of keys for the numbers.
Hackers keyboard in landscape mode, I hold the tablet in my left hand and type with my the index, middle and ring fingers on my right hand.
Another vote for Thumbs 3rd party keyboard, split screen 7" layout, 99% of the time landscape, using my thumbs. Almost as fast as I am on my BlackBerry 9900 keyboard, but not quite.
I use the stock keyboard. I type with my thumbs in both portrait and landscape mode (I have kinda big hands lol).
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