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Hey XDA,
I currently have a MyTouch 3g 32B. Yeah I know, ancient, right? I'm currently looking to upgrade to either a T-mobile MyTouch 4g or a T-mobile G2 (aka Desire Z).
I'm into custom ROMs, radios, hboots, SPLs, kernels, you guys know the drill. I'm pretty dedicated to Cyanogenmod, and I've noticed that they only support the G2 right now, I haven't really heard anything about the MyTouch and CM. So this gives the G2 a big advantage over the MyTouch.
Keyboard doesn't matter. The front facing camera gives the MyTouch a little bit of an edge. I'm leaning towards G2 because of modding.
This isn't really a versus thread, as I have almost all the info I want from gsmarena.com. But I'm having a hard time comparing the CPU and GPU in the two phones. Not much turns up on Google. Obviously the speeds are different, but that doesn't matter much as I'll be overclocking it.
So which phone has a better CPU/GPU? I've heard the G2's GPU is currently the best, not sure how true that is. I will be using the phone for emulators.
The question: what does XDA think of the CPUs/GPUs? Can anyone give me the model of GPU the phones use?
Thanks!
Nick
P.S. Cross-posted to MyTouch 4g.
The CPU in the G2 is the MSM7x30, not sure of the exact model; the MT4G has the MSM8255. The GPU is the Adreno 205, I believe both have it.
EDIT: I'm rarely 100% positive, but almost so in this case
Yeah, the G2 and MyTouch 4G both share the same cpu and gpu. The only difference is the default clock speed of the cpu, 800mhz for the G2 and 1ghz for the MyTouch.
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acousticsea said:
Yeah, the G2 and MyTouch 4G both share the same cpu and gpu.
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GPU, yes, but CPU, no.
The G2/DZ has the MSM7230.
The MT4G has the MSM8255, same as the Desire HD.
But bear in mind the G2's CPU has huge overclocking potential.
steviewevie said:
GPU, yes, but CPU, no.
The G2/DZ has the MSM7230.
The MT4G has the MSM8255, same as the Desire HD.
But bear in mind the G2's CPU has huge overclocking potential.
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indeed very true
I have heard of cyanogen being on the mt4g by some guys on youtube. Haven't seen a vid with it on it. Only mention of it in video commentary.
If you can get cyanogen on mytouch I would say go with it. It has 768mb ram instead of 512mb with the g2. If you want to run any Sense roms then go with the mt4g. Sense is a memory HOG.
For now the G2 is the overclocking champ at 2.0 ghz. 1.5ghz and higher is commonly 100% stable for most of us. The mt4g has been seen at 1.7ghz stable. Not sure how common that is though.
Keep in mind that devs are still discovering both phones and there is still a lot more to be accomplished between both phones. If you can wait a bit to see what they come up with I would.
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FrenicX said:
If you can get cyanogen on mytouch I would say go with it. It has 768mb ram instead of 512mb with the g2. If you want to run any Sense roms then go with the mt4g. Sense is a memory HOG.
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I'm running the stock Sense ROM on my DZ. No memory issues whatsoever, plenty of free memory. Sure, it uses up slightly more, but there's still plenty of free memory. I won't run any faster just because you have an extra 256 MB RAM free.
I was running villain and virt. There was just too many slow points even while overclocked. Once while navigating with music it left me with only 12 mb. Not that Sense isn't a fun rom to have, it is. But there's a reason why, from the factory, they put it on a phone with 768mb.
I'm sure they weren't aiming at making the mt4g a better performing phone. Just a similarly performing phone with a slightly more demanding stock OS.
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FrenicX said:
I was running villain and virt. There was just too many slow points even while overclocked. Once while navigating with music it left me with only 12 mb. Not that Sense isn't a fun rom to have, it is. But there's a reason why, from the factory, they put it on a phone with 768mb.
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I suggest that was a problem with those custom ROMs then. The stock Sense ROM has no problem with RAM.
Very possible. I forgot the DZ was stock sense. How much ram do you have free after a fresh boot? Most I had with villain was 120 and 160 with virt. Both sat at 80ish under normal use though.
Perhaps MySense is the reason they put 768.
At any rate, if I could get Cyanogen on the MT4G.. and I hadn't already bought the G2, I would. Similar prices and more ram plus higher stock clock speed. Even if I never used that extra ram, just having it there would be nice.
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I have not long ago booted my phone, and I have 113+128 MB free according to the Running Services page.
Hello every one, a simple question, i have an iphone 3gs, and want to ask is it worth switching from iphone to desire hd ?
Iphone really bored me
ceva said:
Hello every one, a simple question, i have an iphone 3gs, and want to ask is it worth switching from iphone to desire hd ?
Iphone really bored me
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Simple answer Yes. This is my best phone yet.
just made the same switch, getting mine later today or tomorrow.. hope its not "android" lagging as engadget writes
anyone who says that this phone lags is a jack*ss. If you run a quadrant benchmark on the stock phone you get marks of around 2000 which beats a nexus one by around 600. I use the android revolution rom and get a score of around 2500. On linpack i get 75 megaflops. The "lagging" problem is solved by switching the usb debugging option on. This phone rocks!! With an adreno 205 graphics unit, 1 ghz processor(can be overclocked upto 1.53 ghz --- buzzoc) and 768 mb of ram..its the fastest phone on the market today
Yes, the hardware is top of the line on the DHD, but still im afraid of the OS, engadget (known Apple fans) wrote about the Naxus S -"touch response and general framerate on everything seems to be cranked closer to the vicinity of the iPhone 4....-with little of that Android-lag we've seen on earlier devices".
But after seeing some youtube clips on the DHD and not noticing any lagg what so ever, i ordered mine and hope that engadget just doesnt like Android in their reviews
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anyone who says that this phone lags is a jack*ss. If you run a quadrant benchmark on the stock phone you get marks of around 2000 which beats a nexus one by around 600. I use the android revolution rom and get a score of around 2500. On linpack i get 75 megaflops. The "lagging" problem is solved by switching the usb debugging option on. This phone rocks!! With an adreno 205 graphics unit, 1 ghz processor(can be overclocked upto 1.53 ghz --- buzzoc) and 768 mb of ram..its the fastest phone on the market today
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75 MFLOPS? What have you done with your phone??? I have Android Revolution 1.8 with the 1.1.1 Buzz Kernel 1,51Ghz running on Performance Mode (SetCPU) and I get around 53 MFLOPS ... ??
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just made the same switch, getting mine later today or tomorrow.. hope its not "android" lagging as engadget writes
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there is a bug called the init bug causing the lag, all you need to do is enable usb debugging mode from the development menu and it will go away for good, also animated live wallpaper are known to slow things down a notch, so leave that off
all android froyo phones after few days of usage might drop speed so when this happens all you need is to make a restart and it will be very fast again, the reboot takes a moment, also you should know this speed drop is not reflected inside the apps, only the main interface and it only happens when you've been using the phone heavily for a couple of days without a restart
gingerbread is said to have an app garbish cleaning mechanism that should hopefully fix this issue, HTC updated/updating its desire, legend and wildfire to froyo, so you should expect their flagship DHD to get the gingerbread update first
otherwise phone is blazing fast, fastest android phone on the block, equal or faster than the nexus S (the 2nd gen snapdragon is very optimized plus higher IO and more RAM, highly overclockable)
the GPU is also fast in theory the nexus S should be faster but all test are showing better results from the DHD's adreno 205 GPU, it runs quake 2 at 45-60fps, neocore at 58FPS, nenamark at 42FPS
Thanks for answers guys. I will switch my iphone tomorrow for this baby dhd
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Thanks for answers guys. I will switch my iphone tomorrow for this baby dhd
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good choice
lots of info in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=864393
If I'm iphone4 user, I will not think twice to get the dhd. HTC ftw!
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I agree, DHD is a great phone (I come from Nokia and there is a huge difference), my best phone yet...
Try4Ce said:
75 MFLOPS? What have you done with your phone??? I have Android Revolution 1.8 with the 1.1.1 Buzz Kernel 1,51Ghz running on Performance Mode (SetCPU) and I get around 53 MFLOPS ... ??
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Well in setcpu .. in the performance mode increase max and min level both to maximum possible ...( i use the buzzoc 1.55 kernal ... that gives me 75 mflops)
EDIT: well and restart your phone before you run linpack
There, now im a user, lets hope i dont **** up the phone while rooting ;(
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Definitely yes for me. Previously I was using Windows Mobile 6.5
tvoben said:
There, now im a user, lets hope i dont **** up the phone while rooting ;(
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Try it without rooting first to see if you really need the DHD rooted. I have rooted mine but to be honest I still haven't done anything that needs root access. The OS gives you the opportunity to install non-market apps, so unless you want a custom ROM or overclocking, it makes little sense to root it. And if you decide to do it anyway, there are some good step-by-step guides in the development section on how to do it safely.
Anyway - enjoy your new phone! I know I do
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Okey. Might be wrong place to ask, but on my dhd the screen is beneith the case, hence my finger makes a sound against it while I swipe left if right.
Is it just mine or is it the design. ?
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tvoben said:
Okey. Might be wrong place to ask, but on my dhd the screen is beneith the case, hence my finger makes a sound against it while I swipe left if right.
Is it just mine or is it the design. ?
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It's the design. The point in this is to keep it from scratching the screen while put upside-down. And if you install a screen protector, it lies completely inside that space, so it's leveled with the heightened "lip".
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There, now im a user, lets hope i dont **** up the phone while rooting ;(
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Look what you can do though, its worth it
And yes it is a DHD
Awesome phone i got it today. But i can't really find some instructions how to install some theme or skin witch are at theme section, i know that my phone need to be ruted and all that, but can some one trow me few links with instructions please ? Thanks
Iphone might be more user friendly but android is more customisable. Plus desire hd has great hardware. Iphone is for followers, android is for leaders.
If you're a nerd and like to fiddle, android is for you, otherwise, stick to apple.
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Hey,
My girlfriend got herself an LG Optimus One P500. It's basically same hw specs as wilfire, only it has 600mhz cpu and better display.
However after playing with it I find it much more responsive and faster in general. It feels snappier, AndEngineExamples benchmarks gives 13fps for particles instead of 3fps on wildfire. Abduction2 works flawlessly on lg but not on htc.
Even the game I'm developing runs as breeze on optimus and lags a bit on my wildfire.
I've tried killing all apps with taskmanager on wildfire but it did not help.
Any ideas on what could be making it slow? HTC sense perhaps?
I'm wondering should I just sell my wildfire and get an optimus (which unfortunately doesn't have led flash but has better display) or should I root my phone and just install cyanogen + setcpu to 650mhz?
I'm a Wildfire owner and I tried the P500 from one of my friend...It's much faster...I don't know why...also with CM the Wildfire is much slower than P500...
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I'm a Wildfire owner and I try the P500 from one of my friend...It's much faster...I don't know why...also with CM the Wildfire is much slower than P500...
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Do you have wildfire with CM? Have you tried overclocking it with SetCPU?
The wildfire doesn't have a gpu. The p500 has one, plus the faster processor equals the fact that the LG is faster and snappier.
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Alex_GP said:
The wildfire doesn't have a gpu. The p500 has one, plus the faster processor equals the fact that the LG is faster and snappier.
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Thanks I guess I'll be selling my wildfire then
arturaz said:
Thanks I guess I'll be selling my wildfire then
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Lol, have fun with your new phone . This is just my opinion, but I don't like LG phones in general xD. Also not many devs for the phone, but since you're not rooting or anything, that wouldn't be a problem.
You also shouldn't use a task manager/killer, that just makes the phone even more slower and use up more battery.
My little brother just got zte blade for xmas and it seems a lot better and it costs 100€ less! Anyway this is my first android so if underevoked would support froyo rooting and I could oc wildfire would be fine
arturaz said:
Do you have wildfire with CM? Have you tried overclocking it with SetCPU?
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Yes...also OC 768 MHz...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1040121
This one looks nice and since i read the hardware is similar it shouldnt be a problem for an advanced developer to port that over. Im sure im not the only one who wants the REAL SENSE 3.0!
Thanks in advance!
This one too: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=984822
its from Desire hd forums - and it seems more complete!
Z Rom :http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1067371
Beautiful peace of art!
Isnt it now our turn?
that's not desire hd rom from htc....
it's sensation rom ported to desire hd and as you can see the dev said it's full of bugs right now.
it's alpha rom.
I'm working on a port for myself, there's a lot of development going on in those forums , but I'm sure this thread should NOT be here.
I think it realy shoud be porterd since i cant or shoud i say dont know how and htc dezire z is inferiror compared to our hd2
I agree
yeah same here guys whoever will be able to port this rom to the hd2 will be godly.. i put my money on imilka and mdj to be the first ones. Its not fair since the Desire HD's hardware is the same as the HD 2 BUT DIFFERENT OS and the deire hd gets it instead of us. Honestly i would trade CM7 and MIUI for that
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yeah same here guys whoever will be able to port this rom to the hd2 will be godly.. i put my money on imilka and mdj to be the first ones. Its not fair since the Desire HD's hardware is the same as the HD 2 BUT DIFFERENT OS and the deire hd gets it instead of us. Honestly i would trade CM7 and MIUI for that
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Desire HD has a better CPU as far as im aware. Im sure the developers will get on to this once the graphic issues are sorted out
DramatikBeats said:
Desire HD has a better CPU as far as im aware. Im sure the developers will get on to this once the graphic issues are sorted out
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Desire HD is indeed a lilte more powerfull but not worth to get one if you have a hd2 the cpu is the same just a litle faster since its new gen snapdragon and ha 256mb more ram but dezire z is inferior but still got a sense 3 port like desire HD
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Desire HD is indeed a lilte more powerfull but not worth to get one if you have a hd2 the cpu is the same just a litle faster since its new gen snapdragon and ha 256mb more ram but dezire z is inferior but still got a sense 3 port like desire HD
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Desire Z and Desire HD both beat the floor with our HD2, in terms of processor. It doesn't matter the clock speed, Desire Z at 800Mhz beats our HD2 at 998MHz. So, no it's not inferior
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Desire Z and Desire HD both beat the floor with our HD2, in terms of processor. It doesn't matter the clock speed, Desire Z at 800Mhz beats our HD2 at 998MHz. So, no it's not inferior
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Yes it is cause its not even a snapdragon its a MS7230 with 800mhz clock so our htc hd2 is supperior and can get clocked at 1,5ghz with rafpigna's 1.9o.c kernel
metko said:
Yes it is cause its not even a snapdragon its a MS7230 with 800mhz clock so our htc hd2 is supperior and can get clocked at 1,5ghz with rafpigna's 1.9o.c kernel
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Hehe, Desire Z's can be OC'd to 1.9GHz
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Yes it is cause its not even a snapdragon its a MS7230 with 800mhz clock so our htc hd2 is supperior and can get clocked at 1,5ghz with rafpigna's 1.9o.c kernel
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metko, please do some research before posting BS like this - DZ is using scorpion core (second gen. snapdragon) running at 800MHz that IS way faster than first gen. snapdragon, even at 1GHz. Furthermore, both DHD and DZ have ardeno 205 gpu that is way faster than ardeno 200 present in first gen. snapdragons (like in HD2), so both devices have hardware that is superior to HD2.
...but we have the best devs here =P
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Hehe, Desire Z's can be OC'd to 1.9GHz
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Maybe but i read that it has a MS7230 i realy dont know now....
edit screw that i realy hope that i can sell the hd2 and get a evo 3d or galaxy s2
metko said:
Desire HD is indeed a lilte more powerfull but not worth to get one if you have a hd2 the cpu is the same just a litle faster since its new gen snapdragon and ha 256mb more ram but dezire z is inferior but still got a sense 3 port like desire HD
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Its NOT that easy to port Android to the HD2s hardware...-.- the DHD and Desire Z were made for Android so its MUCH easier to use all the libs, etc...
This thread should really be deleted!
q9650 said:
Its NOT that easy to port Android to the HD2s hardware...-.- the DHD and Desire Z were made for Android so its MUCH easier to use all the libs, etc...
This thread should really be deleted!
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Actually, porting is not that hard, but resolving the problems that appear after you port the ROM is another thing... I was gonna work on a personal port, but they seem to be making a lot of development over at the desire forums, so it's not worth porting until they're finished with it. Plus, tomorrow's Mother's Day, i need to do some shopping x)
Btw, you're right, this thread should be deleted ASAP
come on guys, please grow up! dont get into this bs fighting match about which hardware is better. take that to the general forum. all the first poster was requesting was that he'd like to see something like the new desire hd RCMix HD KINGDOM v0.1 Evolutionary Sense! REAL SENSE 3.0 to be brought over to the HD2. i'm sure devs are already working on it & i just can't wait till it arrives!!!
Anyways, I'm porting it and it's running through logcat right now. Looks promising, but no guarantees.
OC or not it is our kernel !
Here to test: http://hotfile.com/dl/117064672/b9c6c2c/Kingdom_Sprint_WWE_0.81.651.0.zip.html
(from Z)
dude r u dead ass thks so much i fukin luv u .. lags alot but still i fukin love you (no homo)
Hi folks,
i just downloaded the version from android market, but it hangs up on loading screen.
I wondered if anyone got it to work?
Sincerely,
fk
Hi mate I unlocked the market place with chainfire and downloaded it and it hangs After the video is played but on YouTube there's a lad who had it working on stock 2.3.5 htcs latest update for our phone I've tried it got stuck with hboot finally got back to 98 and I can't still get it work
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Got it running but removed it again. It just runs to slow on a Desire(on my Desire).
It's like driving cars in slow motion with 1 fps.
So I guess there's no point in trying this!
Thanks to all of you!
It's laggy as hell... Some shaman dances and magic spells seemed to increase fps from 1 to 5-6, yet still impossible to play)) Well, maybe Rockstar will concider optimizing GTA3 for single-core devices...
Sadly Desire can't play this game, its hardware just isn't powerful enough. Also installed it on GF Samsung Galaxy S2 and it works super smooth.
I download it now, it has 430mb, almost certainly it will be very laggy, same like Gameloft HD games.
yep did 2 missions but it ****es me up.. like the pre poster said 1fps its laggy and makes no fun to play it on the desire..
waiting for my new sgs2
My Desire S runs it fine!
Wow, I guess the 2nd gen CPU and GPU must make a heck of a difference!
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It lags,can't play it!
Just use this app http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1305060 and set it for hard gaming, and use chainfire and set it like the picture, and overclock ur device to the max.
It works for me. Sometimes it's a bit laggy but it's very playable.
P.S. the chainfire setup is only for desire, might want to select "reduce textures" instead of "unroll". But on the desire it works great.
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hi im also having the same loading screen problem on my samsung galaxy s plus i9001.ur rom kanager and chainfire settings doesnt help me,someone pls share if u have any new fix.
olyloh6696 said:
My Desire S runs it fine!
Wow, I guess the 2nd gen CPU and GPU must make a heck of a difference!
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From what I have seen on youtube desire S is just has bad. but much more playable then desire, still slow FPS.
With RAM Manager gaming mode GTA3 runs better but still unplayable.
This game need better CPU.
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From what I have seen on youtube desire S is just has bad. but much more playable then desire, still slow FPS.
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Yeah, i take back what i said before
It was smooth and all, for a bit, but after playing 15mins or so, the game begins to lag...
I tried OC to 1.5Ghz, but it doesnt make much of a difference
I'm on 1.0. I loaded 1.1, it works, but crashes after 5 minutes gameplay. I have to reboot my phone.
I don't see a performance inprovement in 1.1 tbh.
Watch a video of it on the Samsung galaxy tab 8.9 or ipad2 and you can see how liquid smooth it is!
There are higher graphics! You can see the headlights of cars, refelctions etc, seems much better and smooth!
Wonder how it holds up on the ipod touch4, it has 1ghz cpu and only 256mb RAM, less than your Desires. I saw on my Desire S, it takes up a hefty 153mb RAM when running!
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it lags,can't play it!
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olyloh6696 said:
Yeah, i take back what i said before
It was smooth and all, for a bit, but after playing 15mins or so, the game begins to lag...
I tried OC to 1.5Ghz, but it doesnt make much of a difference
I'm on 1.0. I loaded 1.1, it works, but crashes after 5 minutes gameplay. I have to reboot my phone.
I don't see a performance inprovement in 1.1 tbh.
Watch a video of it on the Samsung galaxy tab 8.9 or ipad2 and you can see how liquid smooth it is!
There are higher graphics! You can see the headlights of cars, refelctions etc, seems much better and smooth!
Wonder how it holds up on the ipod touch4, it has 1ghz cpu and only 256mb RAM, less than your Desires. I saw on my Desire S, it takes up a hefty 153mb RAM when running!
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Yep its time like these where I want October 2012 to come. Thats when I can get new phone lol But in saying that apart from gaming Desire still holds its own with even the big new phones. Who would of fort we can run sense 3.5 and now getting worked on ICS sense 3.5 time are still great, just not when playing some games lol.
I had less than 5 fps -.-'
It run smooth in the begining...
after entering the game.......
Everything change..........
slow...............
Desire is not suitable to play this...
Although there is some way to play it smooth (OC and chanfire), keep your desire to be long lasting
It lags very much. Desire's hardware is not enough for this game.