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Hi,
One iPhone fan boy suggested to compare my HD2 with his iPhone by simple test as described here:
http://labs.moto.com/diy-touchscreen-analysis/
What I saw on my screen looked less good than Motrola Droid. In some places there is splashes on the line (close to center of the screen).
Do you have straight lines on your HD2 devices ? Please let me know because I think that's explanation of troubles typing with built in keyboard, positioning is quite bad.
Thanks !
Tried it yesterday and I have straight lines.
Edge performance seems to be not so good on mine, more like the iPhone.
No problem here...
I have no problem with this test on my HD2 nice stright lines... anyway i am using fix for touchscreen sensitivity.
mine are nice straight lines as well.. seems like OP has unsteady hands!!
Straight lines here too. I tried that test as soon as i saw it on the web. The HD2 performs well.
I have exactly the same problem. Not with my first HD2 but the last one ! is it a hardware fault? HTC support is not able to help
That sensitivity (and straight lines) fix v3.3 will solve your problems! I installed it and its straight as an arrow... search the forum for it....
I've not installed anything...
I repeat. I did not have any problem with my old HD2 that had the earpiece broken. But I have it with my last HD2. I tested both. Could that be a faulty touch screen!?
No, certainly not. Maybe they're using touchscreens from different manufacturers.
What exactly is your problem? Cause what you see is in the first post is not a problem, a problem would be it the lines jumped several millimeters, but that's just a slight inaccuracy there (~1mm), nothing to worry about.
Wait for some more answers here, and I hope people will post screenshots, it might turn out that HTC uses two different touch panels.
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No, certainly not. Maybe they're using touchscreens from different manufacturers.
What exactly is your problem? Cause what you see is in the first post is not a problem, a problem would be it the lines jumped several millimeters, but that's just a slight inaccuracy there (~1mm), nothing to worry about.
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My problem is that sometimes the screen is accurate but suddenly it makes weird jitters like this :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t54m1dSLnV8&feature=related
and specially this !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8MmIErLhag&feature=player_embedded
Ah OK, I see. That's something different, not the normal inaccuracy that the OP was talking about. In this case, yes, looks like a faulty device.
Have you tried if it goes away when you apply the tweaks here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=604831&highlight=touchscreen
I haven't tried sensitivity fix myself, but I noticed that by default my device can't handle slow motion of finger. It starts jumping around as it was presented on you tube video as well.
i do have really straight and continous lines here too
Yes, I saw that and the first thing I thought of was the fact that I've yet to try an HD2 with a usable keyboard.
It would be nice if people could try this test without the sensitivity tweaks and see what kind of lines they get and also let us know if their keyboard is okay or not.
It would also bee good to know if the sensitivity tweaks affect the outcome of this test.
It would be nice if people could try this test without the sensitivity tweaks and see what kind of lines they get and also let us know if their keyboard is okay or not.
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Look at my screenshot in the second post. I've not done any sensitivity tweaks.
And my keyboard is perfectly fine.
Actually, th screenshot in the first post doesn't look bad either. Definitely not as bad as the Moto Droid, more like the HTC Droid Eris, and that's fine.
The only thing that's not fine is what you see in that youtube video. But that's another story, there's definitely something wrong with the device you see there.
Here's my screenshot again. As you can see, perfectly straight lines without any tweaks.
mine seems to be quite good, but I've done other experiment. breathe on the glass in Your window and draw same pattern. do it slowly... wth?? I have a faulty doubleglazed window... imho this test is not that relevant, as sometimes when sliding finger slowly it shakes slightly... or maybe it's just me??
Here are two more. Looks perfectly fine, IMO.
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Look at my screenshot in the second post. I've not done any sensitivity tweaks.
And my keyboard is perfectly fine.
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Thanks. This is the kind of information I was hoping for.
I'm really just wondering if people with poor line results are those with unusable keyboards. I remember there have been a few threads here about the keyboard and some people have no issue at all while others find their keyboards unusable.
What program are you using to draw the lines fella's?
First off, I'm not a hater.
I'm a previous HD2 user and in no way an apple fanboy.
However, I cannot fail to notice how increadibly bad our touch experience is with our dhd's. For instance, when you move your finger sideways, you'll notice how choppy it is.
Also, for example when playing Gun Bros, you'll notice that you won't be able to aim properly. Also there, it is choppy. Instead of giving all 360° you'll find segments where it just jumps over, if you understand what I mean.
I tried playing it on my friends iPhone 4, and it worked perfectly there. Very accurate.
I guess I just wanted to write my anger off and see if anyone agrees with me that HTC could have done a better job on the touch. I suppose samsung has a better touch with their 60 hz (or is it 69 hz) digitizer?
I have no issues at all with digitizer, what would say is that gun bros is still in beta stage.
I play plenty of games and not once come across any issues.
Yeah I've noticed that too when I was drawing stuff on it, when moving finger diagonally in a straight line it creates like a wavy line. Pretty disappointing but oh well, you can never have a perfect device...
I'm still happy I bought it though, much better then my last phone.
EDIT: Here's a pic, I tried my best to make straight lines as slowly as possible.
I find the touch screen perfect with no glitches or jumps in any game or app
Could be the game or could be an issue with your rom and the game
Do you have it overclocked and without general bugs? Those could be causing it
Or a power hungry app in the background making the game seem to jump
Another thought is a screen protector, when I put mine on it seemed to be alot less responsive
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I find the touch screen perfect with no glitches or jumps in any game or app
Could be the game or could be an issue with your rom and the game
Do you have it overclocked and without general bugs? Those could be causing it
Or a power hungry app in the background making the game seem to jump
Another thought is a screen protector, when I put mine on it seemed to be alot less responsive
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It's definately not an issue with the game, as I see this everywhere. It is a matter of the digitizer.
Also I am running it stock right now.
To those that say their screen is working perfectly, try flipping through the home screens very slowly from left to right or the other way around, with your finger on the screen all the time, and let me know if it follows the finger perfectly or if it's a bit choppy, as compared to when you go up and down in the app drawer for instance. You'll see about 9-10 "chops". This, I've reproduced on 3 different DHDs.
i'm using a -android Revolution HD and have no problems with the screen, i was trying to do dose things with finger and the window is yust there where i first put my finger on, so i don't see the problem here.
One of the kolegs have a iphone4 and we didn't notice a diference when using mine or his phone...
sorry for bad einglish
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One of the kolegs have a iphone4 and we didn't notice a diference when using mine or his phone...
sorry for bad einglish
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yeah, one of my friends has an iphone 4 and doesnt notice the difference
we excuse your bad "einglish"
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EDIT: Here's a pic, I tried my best to make straight lines.
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That is exactly what im talking about. Vertically it works fine but horizontally it is choppy big time! hence you cannot get a straight diagonal.
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Agree completely. Very poor from HTC. Again.
I'll probably be shot down in flames by the HTC apologists around here...
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There no reason to get flamed, we're merely stating the truth.
Surely, the dhd is a great device, but we shouldn't ignore the fact that even HD2 was smoother horizontally. The fact that a high end device cannot draw diagonals across the screen is simply crazy, seeing as it was possible with previous devices, and I cannot help to feel a bit ripped off from htc.
But before concluding too much, is there anyone that actually cannot reproduce this problem? If so, please post a picture where you can draw a diagonal (of course by moving your finger in a slow enough motion)
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No problems with the touch screen here, I do a lot of gaming and never run into a single issue.
dhiral.v said:
No problems with the touch screen here, I do a lot of gaming and never run into a single issue.
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Please, as I said, try to reproduce drawing a diagonal before you say you don't have any problem. Or you'll just be spamming this thread.
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ErOR22 said:
Yeah I've noticed that too when I was drawing stuff on it, when moving finger diagonally in a straight line it creates like a wavy line. Pretty disappointing but oh well, you can never have a perfect device...
I'm still happy I bought it though, much better then my last phone.
EDIT: Here's a pic, I tried my best to make straight lines.
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I tried to do this with a drawing app and I can make "straight" diagonal lines when using a swipe action. I can also recreate the sample posted by drawing the line slowly.
What this means for the digitizer, I will leave for others to pursue.
Cheers from my DHD.
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I tried to do this with a drawing app and I can make "straight" diagonal lines when using a swipe action. I can also recreate the sample posted by drawing the line slowly.
What this means for the digitizer, I will leave for others to pursue.
Cheers from my DHD.
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Yep, when drawing diagonally in a fast sweep motion the line is drawn correctly and when drawing slowly it becomes wavy.
I'm also interested if there's anyone not having this issue.
for me, fast would be straight and slow would be wavy...
It could be bad software. I read the LauncherPro thread here on XDA, and people are experiencing this choppy behavior on their Nexus S' and so on using LP.
Bad Sense coding? Might be. Can people with custom ROMs post their results?
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I took that picture on LeeDroid 1.5.1 but that being said, it was the same result when I was on stock as I tested it out before.
I wonder if it's the same with a CM7 Gingerbread ROM.
junta_mpb said:
I tried to do this with a drawing app and I can make "straight" diagonal lines when using a swipe action. I can also recreate the sample posted by drawing the line slowly.
What this means for the digitizer, I will leave for others to pursue.
Cheers from my DHD.
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Id say that when moving fast you exceed the 50 hz limit and not all the "reading points" are used.
But it might be software related, could anyone with CM7 try to reproduce this?
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It is all about software, the digitizer itself is great. I have a touchscreen pen, and I can draw bullet straight lines with it, no matter how fast or slow.
Then when I put my thumb on the screen and draw, the result is wavy. Our devices just need better handling for large touch areas.
jkoljo said:
It is all about software, the digitizer itself is great. I have a touchscreen pen, and I can draw bullet straight lines with it, no matter how fast or slow.
Then when I put my thumb on the screen and draw, the result is wavy. Our devices just need better handling for large touch areas.
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Hmm! He's right you know. If I press VERY lightly (so only the very tip of my finger is on the screen) I get a pretty straight diagonal - but if I press down with the pad of my thumb, it's got the steps in it.
Seems like it's having issues determining which point is actually the centre of the capacitance.
Picked up the Iconia today and am loving it so far except for the fact that the screen seems, to put it mildly, a little unresponsive.
When changing home screens it can need 2 or 3 swipes to get it to change, typing is very difficult with me having to jab at the letters rather than just touch and things such as Astro are difficult to use because the level of pressure required to scroll the screen up and down is actually selecting the folder instead.
Is this related to a screen coating because it is new, or did I get a dodgy one?
Any thoughts/experiences
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Unresponsive Screen?
Maybe you got a defective unit?
I've had mine for a week now and the screen has been a high note for me both in clarity and responsiveness.
I agree with bahurd - I sometimes accidentally almost brush my thumb on the screen - so lightly I don't even feel it but I know I touched it - and it causes things to happen.
Oh dear, looks like an iffy one, pcworld here I come
Can't say I agree actually.. the longer ive had mine (almost 2 weeks now) the buggier and slower it seems. In fact Im typing now and there's quite a delay in how quickly the words appear on screen. I'm using the mortorola BT keyboard designed for xoom. I did a factory reset last night and rerooted, applied my live wallpaper and reinstalled my apps using TiBu and I am back to being as slow and laggy as before. I didnt restore all apps and I really dont have that many. I have 13 gb of free space since everythings on the ex_sd.. I'm getting very discouraged and have till wednesday to decide to return it..
Make sure you've taken off the green metallic sticker from the right bezel. If it's too close to the actual display, it interferes.
markteacher said:
Picked up the Iconia today and am loving it so far except for the fact that the screen seems, to put it mildly, a little unresponsive.
When changing home screens it can need 2 or 3 swipes to get it to change, typing is very difficult with me having to jab at the letters rather than just touch and things such as Astro are difficult to use because the level of pressure required to scroll the screen up and down is actually selecting the folder instead.
Is this related to a screen coating because it is new, or did I get a dodgy one?
Any thoughts/experiences
Not sent from my Iconia (because it would have take ages to jab out the letters)
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I have noticed the screen to be very responsive. I have had mine for about 5 days and I am getting very used to the typing, so much so that I am almost as fast as I would be on regular keyboard, so the screen can certainly keep up and discrimnate those different points with accuracy and speed.
Definitely an issue then, there is no way I could touch type on it, without a good stab the key won't recognize the input.
I have no problem at all with the screen responsiveness .
The only problem i have is the keyboard who take ages to type letters in some forums.
I think it's honeycomb problem not iconias
I've caught my finger on the hand i'm holding the tablet with barely on the bezel interfering with scrolling. It might be an app flooring the processor, other then that I got nothing. Mine has worked well I can even type with two hands like a full keyboard without issues.
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Dry Hands??????
markteacher said:
Picked up the Iconia today and am loving it so far except for the fact that the screen seems, to put it mildly, a little unresponsive.
When changing home screens it can need 2 or 3 swipes to get it to change, typing is very difficult with me having to jab at the letters rather than just touch and things such as Astro are difficult to use because the level of pressure required to scroll the screen up and down is actually selecting the folder instead.
Is this related to a screen coating because it is new, or did I get a dodgy one?
Any thoughts/experiences
Not sent from my Iconia (because it would have take ages to jab out the letters)
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I have noticed on my A500 that if my hands are extremely dry the screen doesn't respond well. I checked and when that is happening it is the same with my phone. Try a little hand lotion (not so much to smear up the screen) and see if that helps. You should NEVER have to jab at a capacitive screen to get it to work. That is why they don't use resistive screens any more, they required pressure to operate, the capacitive doesn't.
Well, a good reboot seems to have solved the issue.
Now enjoying a very responsive touch screen experience.
Just one suck pixel now, but as it only appears when the screen is black I think I can live with it.
Having owned the Asus Transformer before this, I can honestly say I can't see much of a difference in screen quality.
Excellent stuff.
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Having read the above posts this seems as good a thread as any to write about my problem. I say problem but I'm not certain whether this is "operator error" or possibly an iffy screen. I bought my A500 5 weeks ago at Stap*** on the first day they went on sale there, well pleased with it, a really good machine. Just so that you all can picture it, it's rooted using gingerbreak - new bootup screen compliments of gammaRascal - and all apps I don't use "frozen" so they don't use reources. In the last 4 to 5 days my touchscreen has been getting "lazy", as was already mentioned 2 or 3 swipes to change pages, quite often not responding in good time to tapping - "sticking" when scrolling up or down a page of information. I said "op error" because like kwparker80 I thought it might be dry fingers or possible sticky fingers and whilst I don't necessarily discount this I'd like to hope that was the problem not a malfunctioning screen. My question is have any of you faced this problem about 5 or 6 weeks after purchase? By the way NO screen protector applied.
You all can try this app. It's called Touch Recalibrate. When I had a NookColor, it worked wonders. I uploaded it to my dropbox.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17305480/TouchRecalibrate.apk
keyboard lag
I have noticed that when I come to this forum my iconia go slower, and tracked it down to just this site. I have high cpu usage while on this site, going to google or another site and cpu back to normal.
Many thanks minotauri for posting the "Fix Me" touch recalibration apk. It has made a diference to my touchscren use - obliged to you.
metpolds said:
Many thanks minotauri for posting the "Fix Me" touch recalibration apk. It has made a diference to my touchscren use - obliged to you.
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glad it helped!
I just got my note today and I was writing and all of a sudden the note wouldn't recognize the pen. Usually when you write with an actual and nothing writes you tend to shake it so out of habit I did that with the s-pen and then realized how idiotic I looked anyone else do this?
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antispiral said:
I just got my note today and I was writing and all of a sudden the note wouldn't recognize the pen. Usually when you write with an actual and nothing writes you tend to shake it so out of habit I did that with the s-pen and then realized how idiotic I looked anyone else do this?
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I find running in circles and flapping my arms works best. It's in the manual.
mitchellvii said:
I find running in circles and flapping my arms works best. It's in the manual.
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I knew I should have read manuall first lol
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Ah, the old OM (Oscillatory maintenance). It's a pet theory that that will do anything, but clearly it's a technique for wimps.
Everyone knows that when something stops working, clearly the best cure is PM (Percussive Maintenance)...
(Now I'll have to pay attention and see if I ever wimp out )
When I got my first Tablet PC, I used a Wacom stylus with an eraser end (which works with the Note 10.1 - BTW).
When I was drawing, I'd flip the pen over to erase and without thinking, I'd *brush away the eraser crumbs*... which makes sense on paper, but of course, doesn't make sense on a tablet.
I don't do it much anymore - but I still sometimes feel my arm wanting to do it even now...
Amazing how we get into these deep grooves and even more amazing how close to 'the real thing' these devices can be.
Thats nothing, I was reading an actual paper magazine and tried to scroll the page. Had to look and see if anyone noticed thank god no one did.
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bbgt2 said:
Thats nothing, I was reading an actual paper magazine and tried to scroll the page. Had to look and see if anyone noticed thank god no one did.
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Mine wasnt that bad... I was trying to show something on my brother's 17" laptop the other day and I ran my fingers on the screen to scroll down... Whooops...
junrider said:
Mine wasnt that bad... I was trying to show something on my brother's 17" laptop the other day and I ran my fingers on the screen to scroll down... Whooops...
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I regularly try to use touch on my laptop's external monitor. It looks like a large version of a tablet since it's on an arm, and really messes with my head.
TheWerewolf said:
When I got my first Tablet PC, I used a Wacom stylus with an eraser end (which works with the Note 10.1 - BTW).
When I was drawing, I'd flip the pen over to erase and without thinking, I'd *brush away the eraser crumbs*... which makes sense on paper, but of course, doesn't make sense on a tablet.
I don't do it much anymore - but I still sometimes feel my arm wanting to do it even now...
Amazing how we get into these deep grooves and even more amazing how close to 'the real thing' these devices can be.
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That's funny!
Hey guys,
yesterday night while playing around with my international Note2, I found something pretty interesting, and I was able to control the entire phone WITHOUT touching the screen at all, neither with my fingers nor the S-Pen.
Basically the phone doesn't recognize the S-Pen click/tap by the contact of the pen with the screen, the phone does recognize the "tap" when the pen tip goes back.
Now try yourself: with the help of *whatever you want* ( I used a poker playing card ), bring the S-Pen near the screen, let's say over an icon, and with the object you've chosen make the pen tip go back. If you're accurate enough, you will see the icon being pressed.
Now throw the object away and use your fingers, take the pen in your hand, keep the tip pressed with your index finger and have fun.
I don't know if this might be useful for some future development or has already been posted/discovered, I'm just sharing my experience.
Best regards,
PurPLe SKy
Wo! You're right... It works!!
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hehehe
I think Almost all they know it.....
Two months before I made a video on it take a look at it.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOqPMT21NMA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
If you can you can update this link in OP
it is for fun only
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hehehe
I think Almost all they know it.....
Two months before I made a video on it take a look at it.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOqPMT21NMA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
If you can you can update this link in OP
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LOL, ok, ok
I got my Note2 less than a month ago and I discovered that just yesterday, also the title of the topic didn't match anything relevant/similar
here's a funny trick you can play on other note (2) owners if they have a somewhat flexible case: attach a magnet to the back of the phone.
it won't hurt any of the electronics, but the s-pen will refuse to write above the magnet.
I figured that out when I got a nice 360 flip case with a not so nice magnet in the back.
it took me a while to figure out there was nothing wrong with my stylus.
How to use s pen without touch to screen please reply me
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thinks for the info