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While we wait - A Preview worth looking at (maybe)

Hi,
Thought you might like this: http://translate.google.com/transla...245/default.aspx&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=auto&tl=en
There area a couple of really great shots in that preview (yes, its a prototype model) and one thing to note are the pictures at the end of that page - which are apparently taken by the prototype Xperia's camera.
WHOA! - Check out the vide on that page!!! Is that an actual launched Xperia's unboxing video?!?!!??!?
The text in some places say prototype so i can't say for sure - google translator does a great job but sometimes it is hard to make sense of much stuff after translating.
UPDATE Definitely a prototype, after reading through the page, but contains a couple of cool pics.
Best Regards.

New Review

New Review:
There is a new Review out, including allot of pictures. But it is not in english so you will have to use Google Translator to understand a climpse of it
But first of all, here is a unpacking gallery from xonio:
http://www.xonio.com/bildergalerie/Ausgepackt-HTC-Touch-HD-Galerie_33512876.html
(click on "weiter" above to pictures. If you want to se the HD pictures click on the small arrows on the bottom left of the pictures)
1:
http://translate.google.at/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gsmonline.pl%2Fportal%2Fphonetests%2FphoneTests.jsp%3Fe8scrollFromnews_big%3D1%26e8scrollHowManynews_big%3D1%26s0n_id%3D20897&sl=pl&tl=en&hl=de&ie=UTF-8
2:
http://translate.google.at/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gsmonline.pl%2Fportal%2Fphonetests%2FphoneTests.jsp%3Fe8scrollFromnews_big%3D2%26e8scrollHowManynews_big%3D1%26s0n_id%3D20897&sl=pl&tl=en&hl=de&ie=UTF-8
3:
http://translate.google.at/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gsmonline.pl%2Fportal%2Fphonetests%2FphoneTests.jsp%3Fe8scrollFromnews_big%3D3%26e8scrollHowManynews_big%3D1%26s0n_id%3D20897&sl=pl&tl=en&hl=de&ie=UTF-8
4:
http://translate.google.at/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gsmonline.pl%2Fportal%2Fphonetests%2FphoneTests.jsp%3Fe8scrollFromnews_big%3D4%26e8scrollHowManynews_big%3D1%26s0n_id%3D20897&sl=pl&tl=en&hl=de&ie=UTF-8
5:
http://translate.google.at/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gsmonline.pl%2Fportal%2Fphonetests%2FphoneTests.jsp%3Fe8scrollFromnews_big%3D5%26e8scrollHowManynews_big%3D1%26s0n_id%3D20897&sl=pl&tl=en&hl=de&ie=UTF-8
Pictures:
http://www.gsmonline.pl/portal/gallery/gallery.jsp?s1number=24&s0id=320&e1number=1
http://www.gsmonline.pl/portal/gallery/gallery.jsp?s1number=2&s0id=319&e1number=1
http://www.gsmonline.pl/portal/gallery/gallery.jsp?s1number=3&s0id=321&e1number=1

Thank you for the review posted, it's nice hope to see expansys have the phone in stock very soon!
I bit superise seeing the review, the memory card holder beside battery and not under the battery

amireshan said:
Thank you for the review posted, it's nice hope to see expansys have the phone in stock very soon!
I bit superise seeing the review, the memory card holder beside battery and not under the battery
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It's like on Touch Pro

And they posted the IMEI number in full view. Never seen that before. Is it risky to do this?

amireshan said:
Thank you for the review posted, it's nice hope to see expansys have the phone in stock very soon!
I bit superise seeing the review, the memory card holder beside battery and not under the battery
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Actually its better off this way, so that whenever I have to load any media on the card, I dont have to pull out the battery and it would take for ever to reboot.

Thanks for the links, all good it seems!

The only thing they did not realy test is the multimedia performance of the phone

Lord.Bachus said:
The only thing they did not realy test is the multimedia performance of the phone
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It was mentioned somewhere that HTC forbids them to review too deeply about the software, only hardware and superficial stuff. guess they are still working out some kinks.

hmm, fishy... no video playback testing, come on...

I was hoping to take good pictures with 5MP camera. Other review says that the camera performs fast and this one the opposite.

badaas said:
hmm, fishy... no video playback testing, come on...
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Something should pop up soon, if I get time I will post something

buggybug0 said:
It was mentioned somewhere that HTC forbids them to review too deeply about the software, only hardware and superficial stuff. guess they are still working out some kinks.
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Even my old Qtek S200 had better photos than the ones from HD

damn i really just need one single thing to make me sell my almost new diamond to get this HD monster... video perfomance.... diamond video perfomance SUCKS but if HD handles well with it that screen and resolution would be killer....
but seems no one knows about video perfomance so i better dont put my hopes too high....

X2?

Hope this isn't real, kinda ugly
http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/sony-ericsson-x2-spotted/

lol if that is the x2, i guess my x1 will wait til the x5 is released to get a baby sister

Fugly. I'd rather get a TP2, than get that.
I hope it's fake :/

Thats fugly )

Haha I was going to post this right now. Thumbs up for Engadget lurkers .
It is kinda ugly. The TP2 is 10 times better looking, BUT wait for the hardware specs first hehe....

NOOOOOOOOOO WAYYYYYYYYY !!! that's a big disaster... if that's real I'd be really disappointed the only good features I saw are the arrows on the KB

People, that X2 has a Windows-Key. I think SE was not gonna use WM on the X2.

wazaaappp said:
NOOOOOOOOOO WAYYYYYYYYY !!! that's a big disaster... if that's real I'd be really disappointed the only good features I saw are the arrows on the KB
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Oh please, how can you guys judge from the bad picture.
It has actually potential to look really good.
Nice that the rumour shows still the hardware keys and dpad.
(IMO TouchPro 2 is really bad design, but it may be just me...)

Firefall! said:
People, that X2 has a Windows-Key. I think SE was not gonna use WM on the X2.
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I read it'd be Android
doministry said:
Oh please, how can you guys judge from the bad picture.
It has actually potential to look really good.
Nice that the rumour shows still the hardware keys and dpad.
(IMO TouchPro 2 is really bad design, but it may be just me...)
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disappointed !

wazaaappp said:
NOOOOOOOOOO WAYYYYYYYYY !!! that's a big disaster... if that's real I'd be really disappointed the only good features I saw are the arrows on the KB
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If it looks like your attached thumbnails in practice, my interest is up there.
I'm also curious as to the specs, snapdragon (or better yet tegra), accelerometer maybe??

Firefall! said:
People, that X2 has a Windows-Key. I think SE was not gonna use WM on the X2.
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The X2 WILL use Windows Mobile. Trust me.

Calvin H said:
If it looks like your attached thumbnails in practice, my interest is up there.
I'm also curious as to the specs, snapdragon (or better yet tegra), accelerometer maybe??
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the look is not too bad... but what I was waiting for was a bigger screen I mean we got res 800x480 and a little screen, that's a big mess All what I wanted is that and certainly it wasn't made.

that keyboard looks disgusting

anybody can confirm that this is the final device and not just a prototype
i like the bigger screen and more usable keyboard but the design seems like a step backword

fatso485 said:
anybody can confirm that this is the final device and not just a prototype
i like the bigger screen and more usable keyboard but the design seems like a step backword
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I bet it's a proto - if real.
The keyboard will look good, for sure. SE will not release a bad looking device.
As for OS - who said it will be Android? SE just confirmed they use it,
but I also heard Xnext will be WM... Hopefully!

doministry said:
I bet it's a proto - if real.
The keyboard will look good, for sure. SE will not release a bad looking device.
As for OS - who said it will be Android? SE just confirmed they use it,
but I also heard Xnext will be WM... Hopefully!
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we already know the x2 is a wm6.5 device as that information was leaked a while back when a companies ceo told some website that they lost the deal to use there software on the x2 to some google software.
ps. if u save the pic and then zoom in, u will notice that the bottom right seems to have a bit missing compared to the bottom right and on the far left, which would point to a mock up or early prototype cg pic

Why go back in design? Looks like a toy compared to X1. Damn fugly.

felixkry said:
Why go back in design? Looks like a toy compared to X1. Damn fugly.
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even if this is a current pic of the x2. there is still probally 6 months till release and a lot can change in the design. the specs are more important at this point

Look at the pic below, the bits i pointed out in earler post. may be just how they did the pic but looks like a prototype cg pic/mock up.
ps. although this may be a mock-up / prototype cg pic it way still be the current design of the x2.
maybe itje could tell us something?

doministry said:
Oh please, how can you guys judge from the bad picture.
It has actually potential to look really good.
Nice that the rumour shows still the hardware keys and dpad.
(IMO TouchPro 2 is really bad design, but it may be just me...)
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It is not just you. TP2 design sucks big time. Acctually I will make a thread about it.......
Ganondolf said:
Look at the pic below, the bits i pointed out in earler post. may be just how they did the pic but looks like a prototype cg pic/mock up.
ps. although this may be a mock-up / prototype cg pic it way still be the current design of the x2.
maybe itje could tell us something?
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Dude, read the article. They guy who leaked the photo obscured the background. He doesn't want to get fired. That is why you have those missing parts. It's a bad photoshop.

I just discovered a major flaw with not having multitouch

I just tried to use a snes emulator on my Xperia and I realize that without mutlitouch you can't press two buttons at the same time for example move and jump.
I think I finally have a reason to go get a Nexus one.

Oh noes the world as we know it has come to end...
Seriously

I just discovered a major flaw with not having TFT screen on the HTC Desire
edude03 said:
I just tried to use a snes emulator on my Xperia and I realize that without mutlitouch you can't press two buttons at the same time for example move and jump.
I think I finally have a reason to go get a Nexus one.
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I just tried to use the Desire outside in sun and I realize that without a good TFT screen you can't see much on the AMOLED screen the Desire have when your going to take pictures outside for example.
I think I finally have a reason to go get a Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10.
See what i did here?
Spoiler: I have a Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 already fyi.

That is certainly a valid reason...Did you think about buying a gaming console?

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I wonder if the X10 will ever get MT... but even without it, I love mine. The only thing I dont like about mine is that it cant sync facebook contacts like the NX1 and GalaxyS. SE sync didnt work too well for me.

Tom-Helge said:
I just tried to use the Desire outside in sun and I realize that without a good TFT screen you can't see much on the AMOLED screen the Desire have when your going to take pictures outside for example.
I think I finally have a reason to go get a Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10.
See what i did here?
Spoiler: I have a Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 already fyi.
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I too was impressed at how easy it is to see the x10's display even in direct sunlight. Meanwhile my friend with an HTC Desire is constantly complaining about problems with glare and washing out.
fonzthegreat said:
I wonder if the X10 will ever get MT... but even without it, I love mine. The only thing I dont like about mine is that it cant sync facebook contacts like the NX1 and GalaxyS. SE sync didnt work too well for me.
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Works for me.

mtechfan said:
I too was impressed at how easy it is to see the x10's display even in direct sunlight. Meanwhile my friend with an HTC Desire is constantly complaining about problems with glare and washing out.
Works for me.
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So with SE sync all my facebook contacts with numbers will come out on my phonebook? cant seem to get it to work
Another thing I love about X10 is it works with MediaGo... Esp after my PSP just got stolen recently

Tom-Helge said:
I just tried to use the Desire outside in sun and I realize that without a good TFT screen you can't see much on the AMOLED screen the Desire have when your going to take pictures outside for example.
I think I finally have a reason to go get a Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10.
See what i did here?
Spoiler: I have a Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 already fyi.
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I actually experienced that yesterday with a mate. We were sitting outside with a couple of beers enjoying the sun when he wanted to check the movie schedules for the night. He whipped out his Desire and proceeded to squint and cup his hand for a few minutes in order to see the screen. Finally he gave in and borrowed my X10 to check.
The X10 isn't fantastic in sunlight, no smartphones are, but atleast you can use it outdoors.

edude03 said:
I just tried to use a snes emulator on my Xperia and I realize that without mutlitouch you can't press two buttons at the same time for example move and jump.
I think I finally have a reason to go get a Nexus one.
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Just do like I do, get a Wii remote and get the WiiMote application! You can play SNES better than those multitouch people anyhow!

For those who might wonder, my first reply was just to do the same as the op did to make him see that the Desire isn't any better than the XPERIA X10.
I haven't really tested the Desire outside in sun my self, but i have seen others with it and i have had big problems to see the screen if your outside in much light conditions.

Well actually, if you plan on getting a MT phone do NOT get a nexus one nor a HTC Desire, they're the worst piece of MultiTouch phone you could possibly get, and are just good for pinch & zoom.
Due to the "axis crossover" issue playing a game with unaligned on-screen controls (just like most emulators) is almost impossible.
As for the X10, you can map "A" to the back button, "B" to the Camera button and "L/R" to the volume buttons, then use onscreen for the pad and start/select

Talonnb said:
Just do like I do, get a Wii remote and get the WiiMote application! You can play SNES better than those multitouch people anyhow!
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That's what I do too. Mother 3 with a wiimote is great!

fonzthegreat said:
I wonder if the X10 will ever get MT... but even without it, I love mine. The only thing I dont like about mine is that it cant sync facebook contacts like the NX1 and GalaxyS. SE sync didnt work too well for me.
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If you're talking about syncing pics from Facebook to your phone contacts, I used SyncMyPix and it works great. Just set the pic download size to maximum and you can get pretty good results, and it skips people you've already got pics for. If that's not what you meant, I apologise.
I sync my contacts to Google as I struggle with the SE sync software too. Just have to be careful if you lose your contacts, as syncing them back from Google seems to lose a fair amount of image resolution for the contact images.

Seems there's heaps of stuff we miss out on:
http://www.montyhair.com/video.swf?v=5wYBcE6vI-g

k1sr said:
Seems there's heaps of stuff we miss out on:
http://www.montyhair.com/video.swf?v=5wYBcE6vI-g
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ROFLMAO!!!
Now THAT'S a good one!!! lolz!!!

You "discovered" this? Thanks so much bud. Nobody would have ever known otherwise.

Tom-Helge said:
I haven't really tested the Desire outside in sun my self, but i have seen others with it and i have had big problems to see the screen if your outside in much light conditions.
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I've tested Desire in sunlight My freind has Desire & I've X10. We were in Oslo & he recieved a SMS & he couldn't read it in sunlight. He used one hand to prevent light & tried to read the sms & it was trouble to read a sms. On the other hand i was recieving, reading & writing sms with ease, without any problem

k1sr said:
Seems there's heaps of stuff we miss out on:
http://www.montyhair.com/video.swf?v=5wYBcE6vI-g
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It was really funny

I discovered another flaw with not having multitouch!
When I downloaded an app.. of... um... questionable taste.... I couldn't touch ... you know... up there.. and down there.. at the same time!
Totally unrealistic!!!!!!!!!

Tom-Helge said:
I just tried to use the Desire outside in sun and I realize that without a good TFT screen you can't see much on the AMOLED screen the Desire have when your going to take pictures outside for example.
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No, I don't get your point. Almost all LCD screens don't work well in direct sunlight, the Xperia included.
Anyway, it really concerns me because one of my major reasons for having an Xperia is it's supposed to entertain me, and I really like emulators.

[Breaking news] More info about Desire HD! Constantly updated

A lot of information available is covered in this topicstart. Saves you reading a lot of crap . Please read this whole post before asking questions
Box includes:
- HTC Desire HD
- Includes a 8GB SDHC card Class 2 (already inside the phone)
- Crappy earpieces
- Charger
- Cable
- Small quick guide with the insert-battery stuff in it
Photo's and video:
http://www.finalcity.com/dhd/1.JPG
http://www.finalcity.com/dhd/2.JPG
http://www.finalcity.com/dhd/3.JPG
http://www.finalcity.com/dhd/4.JPG
http://www.finalcity.com/dhd/5.JPG
http://www.finalcity.com/dhd/6.JPG
http://www.finalcity.com/dhd/7.JPG
http://www.finalcity.com/dhd/8.JPG
http://www.finalcity.com/dhd/9.JPG
http://www.finalcity.com/dhd/10.JPG
http://www.finalcity.com/dhd/11.JPG
http://www.finalcity.com/dhd/12.JPG
http://www.finalcity.com/dhd/13.JPG
http://www.finalcity.com/dhd/14.JPG
http://www.finalcity.com/dhd/ara1.JPG
http://www.finalcity.com/dhd/ara2.JPG
http://www.finalcity.com/dhd/cam2.jpg
http://www.finalcity.com/dhd/cam3.jpg
http://www.finalcity.com/dhd/cam4.jpg
http://www.finalcity.com/dhd/cam5.jpg
http://www.finalcity.com/dhd/cam6.jpg
http://www.finalcity.com/dhd/cam7.jpg
http://www.finalcity.com/dhd/cam8.jpg
http://www.finalcity.com/dhd/cam9.jpg
http://www.finalcity.com/dhd/cam10.jpg
http://www.finalcity.com/dhd/vid.3gp
http://www.finalcity.com/dhd/vid2.3gp
16 october:
http://www.finalcity.com/dhd/cam2_1.jpg
http://www.finalcity.com/dhd/cam2_2.jpg
http://www.finalcity.com/dhd/cam2_3.jpg
http://www.finalcity.com/dhd/cam2_4.jpg
http://www.finalcity.com/dhd/cam2_5.jpg
http://www.finalcity.com/dhd/vid2_1.3gp
http://www.finalcity.com/dhd/vid2_2.3gp
http://www.finalcity.com/dhd/vid2_3.3gp
Hardware Info:
- There's no specification of the screentype in the manual or on the box. It looks better than de Touch HD in brightness and colour, but i can't say for sure it's an SLCD.
- Compartment for SIM + SDHC is nicely finished and apparently a lot more resistant to dust and stuff than the Touch HD. (Cover here is fine).
- The camera does come out pretty far. Not really annoying, but it is a bit like a pimple.
- The sound from the build in speaker is good. It lacks some bass, but what else is new. It doesn't have a great max volume, but it sounds overall beter dan de Touch HD. (much less schrill)
- The piece around the flash is a patch of rubber/plastic from the same material as the battery+sim cover. It's just a little thicker, so it sticks out a bit. Very little though. It's properly attached and doesn't come loose.
Additional info (speed and such)
- To sync with my Google Apps it does need Google Talk? Never heard of, let's find out.
- The link to the HTC Sense site works well and the lag between them is really minimal. Click on the site to make it ring, and the DHD starts ringing immediately.
-Surfing is (with 3g) a whole whole lot faster than with the Touch HD. On the THD you'll have to wait for it to render the page and the pictures, on de DHD it's all done in a second or so.
- The Sense skin (and Android ofcourse) provide a far better user experience than the THD on WinMo.
- The rendering of the windows is instant, just as the browsing and the animations. I'm not yet familiar with Android, so I don't know what's normal.
- There's no CD in the package, only a small quick guide with the insert-battery stuff in it. The phone isn't on the support site from HTC yet, so the full manual isn't available yet
-Important: if you're going to use the phone to synchronise with Google Apps or go to the marketplace (or in fact to anything whereby you need a google account) you need to enable the service 'Chat' in your Google Apps dashboard. Else the phone rejects your account and gives an error about google talk or so.
-By default the languages are limited to: English, Francais, Deutsch and Dutch. You can get a keyboard in Turkish and many, many other languages (including arabic as far as I can see)
-The power off (hold powerbutton and choose power off) takes some time (measures:....5 seconds). The powerup then takes 1 or 1,5 seconds. Very quick! All apps are closed during the shut down.
-The restart (really a power off and a cold reboot) takes about 30 seconds.
Results:
Quadrant
Desire HD - 1879 points
Nexus one 2.2+ - 1300 points
Samsung Galaxy S - 800 points
Nenamark1 gives a score of 33,6 FPS.
Reported Problems
Proximity sensor failure: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=811285
Updates:
13:48 - added pictures
13:58 - added source
14:02 - added some important answers
14:18 - added answer about the manual
14:23 - added answers about speed and browsing
16 oct: New video's
This post is constantly updated
I can see clock1932 becoming a very popular man on the internet today.
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I hate the ***** for updating so fast. It's a hell of a job to keep up with it

This is exciting news, I know you said earlier that there is no mention of it using a s-lcd but can you ask him if he thinks its much brighter than other lcd screens...is it that noticable that the screen is very bright....thanks...this is a big help already..

thanks for this! looking forward to the updates!
someone over at androidforums has posted pictures of the DHD. I think it's from the same guy you're talking about here. Here they are
http://files.danhof.org/DHD/1.jpg
http://files.danhof.org/DHD/2.jpg
http://files.danhof.org/DHD/3.jpg

Can you give us a link to the Dutch website?

SupremeBeaver said:
thanks for this! looking forward to the updates!
someone over at androidforums has posted pictures of the DHD. I think it's from the same guy you're talking about here. Here they are
http://files.danhof.org/DHD/1.jpg
http://files.danhof.org/DHD/2.jpg
http://files.danhof.org/DHD/3.jpg
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yep its the same guy

Here I am
I've some more pics (better quality):
files.danhof.org/DHD/4.jpg
files.danhof.org/DHD/5.jpg
files.danhof.org/DHD/6.jpg

jhenrikj said:
Can you give us a link to the Dutch website?
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It's a forum:
gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_messages/1426298/last/

I guess if the guy says its a better screen than the touch hd which has a 480 x 800 pixels lcd and he's saying the colours are better and its much brighter than maybe, just maybe it really is s-lcd.
Would also love to hear about the audio from the external speaker and the video quality and audio..

Clock1932 said:
Here I am
I've some more pics (better quality):
files.danhof.org/DHD/4.jpg
files.danhof.org/DHD/5.jpg
files.danhof.org/DHD/6.jpg
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it's great to have you here! Get ready for an barrage of questions!

Clock1932 said:
Here I am
I've some more pics (better quality):
files.danhof.org/DHD/4.jpg
files.danhof.org/DHD/5.jpg
files.danhof.org/DHD/6.jpg
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Hello, thank you for this, most kind of you

BartOtten said:
http://files.danhof.org/DHD/4.jpg
Updates:
13:48 - added pictures
Will keep updating this post
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Screen looks gorgeous to me!

The screen looks lovely))
JD

I don't see a hole at the back like some promo models, looks like theres no mic for noise cancellation.

JupiterDroid said:
The screen looks lovely))
JD
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I am so busy going after each bit of info I did not see the pics myself hahaha

jhenrikj said:
Can you give us a link to the Dutch website?
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http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_messages/1426298/43

Spaky said:
Screen looks gorgeous to me!
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i was just about to post that! It does look really good compared to the other phone which is using LCD i presume.
However in picture 5 it looks like that black patch around the flash is about to come off. Is it meant to be like that?

look at the screen next to the touch hd, Im sold...that screen looks fine to me, the camera looks like its going to get some serious table damage though, still, I feel much happier now and maybe I wont be going on and on as much....mmm then again

rixsta said:
I guess if the guy says its a better screen than the touch hd which has a 480 x 800 pixels lcd and he's saying the colours are better and its much brighter than maybe, just maybe it really is s-lcd.
Would also love to hear about the audio from the external speaker and the video quality and audio..
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There's no specification of the screentype in the manual or on the box. It looks better than de Touch HD in brightness and colour, but i can't say for sure it's an SLCD.
The sound from the build in speaker is good. It lacks some bass, but what else is new. It doesn't have a great max volume, but it sounds overall beter dan de Touch HD. (much less schrill)
More to come

Can you upload the manual when you get a chance (if its on CD)
thanks

rixsta said:
look at the screen next to the touch hd, Im sold...that screen looks fine to me, the camera looks like its going to get some serious table damage though, still, I feel much happier now and maybe I wont be going on and on as much....mmm then again
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i actually dont think the lens will be damaged because if you look closer at that pic, the lens is slightly beveled in. The edges are protruding very slightly so the edges might get scratched, but not the lens.