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I'm currently using the Vibrant with a download of 3-5.5Mbps Download in Los Angeles in the same area (downtown Los Angeles). My phone register only as 3G.
Does this change when it switches to HSPA+? What does the icon say (in the upper right corner)? I'm never seen it change to the "HSPA+ icon". Is there an HSPA+ icon? Or do I have to configure the phone from 3g to HSPA+?
While tethering with Samsung Kies, is it possible to make or receive phone call?
My handset states "MTP application" with a picture of a USB cable on the screen and it's non responsive during Tethering.
Thanks in advance!
Assuming you're on Tmo, there is currently no phone on the network that uses HSPA+ connections. The first will be the G2.
If you have HSPA where you are, you may already be connected, but the 3G up top won't change. Not unless the phone is programmed to. But I don't think most ROMs utilize this feature, since people were freaking out since Cyanogen did so.
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They freaked out because of the H icon, we get HSPA+ up to 7.2mb.
franky1029 said:
Assuming you're on Tmo, there is currently no phone on the network that uses HSPA+ connections. The first will be the G2.
If you have HSPA where you are, you may already be connected, but the 3G up top won't change. Not unless the phone is programmed to. But I don't think most ROMs utilize this feature, since people were freaking out since Cyanogen did so.
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Thanks for the info. Damn, maybe I should have jump ship to Sprint (EPIC)....Their 69.99+10 plan sounds mighty tempting....
Yes I have T-Mo at the moment..Loyalty Calling plan+400 message +Android (24.99) for 79.00 as well
Sprint 4G is slow. T-Mobile's HSPDA is faster and HSPA+ kicks its *** hard.
DarkAgent said:
Sprint 4G is slow. T-Mobile's HSPDA is faster and HSPA+ kicks its *** hard.
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QFT. Just get the G2 if you need that extra speed.
sfdentist1996 said:
Try the search function, and could not come up with the answer
I'm currently using the Vibrant with a download of 3-5.5Mbps Download in Los Angeles in the same area (downtown Los Angeles). My phone register only as 3G.
Does this change when it switches to HSPA+? What does the icon say (in the upper right corner)? I'm never seen it change to the "HSPA+ icon". Is there an HSPA+ icon? Or do I have to configure the phone from 3g to HSPA+?
While tethering with Samsung Kies, is it possible to make or receive phone call?
My handset states "MTP application" with a picture of a USB cable on the screen and it's non responsive during Tethering.
Thanks in advance!
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Samsung Vibrant is not an HSPA+ device. As of 9/11/2010 there are no true HSPA+ devices on T-Mobile yet, however the G2 coming soon... will be the first HSPA+ device.
Next, your Vibrant is already capable of up to 7mbps download, most people like myself already get 5mbps.
So my question to you is, why is HSPA+ which offers 7+mbps so important. I really don't understand what people do on their phones, for them to notice a difference between 5mbps and 8mbps. Really, what do you do on the internet, on your tiny 4 inch screen, that would make you notice the difference in 3mbps.
I also hope you tether responsibily. Meaning you use it in life and death situations. People who abuse tether is horrible, and will lead to T-mobile turning to tiered data plans.
I had a tmo tech tell me our phones will support hsdpa+ or w/e it is lol when it rolls outs with speeds of 21mb download. Maybe he was wrong?
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I was under the impression that the great thing about HSPA+ is that it's compatible with 3G phones.
Hmm... I guess I can't post links because I'm a new user. Anyway, copy and paste this link: youtube.com/watch?v=gGmUvFfizS8
Skip to 2:25
He flashed his Vibrant to Froyo using, I'm guessing, Eugene's build - the blue box on top will show 'H' every now and then.
Apexsilverevo said:
I had a tmo tech tell me our phones will support hsdpa+ or w/e it is lol when it rolls outs with speeds of 21mb download. Maybe he was wrong?
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Yes, he was wrong.
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sfdentist1996 said:
Try the search function, and could not come up with the answer
I'm currently using the Vibrant with a download of 3-5.5Mbps Download in Los Angeles in the same area (downtown Los Angeles). My phone register only as 3G.
Does this change when it switches to HSPA+? What does the icon say (in the upper right corner)? I'm never seen it change to the "HSPA+ icon". Is there an HSPA+ icon? Or do I have to configure the phone from 3g to HSPA+?
While tethering with Samsung Kies, is it possible to make or receive phone call?
My handset states "MTP application" with a picture of a USB cable on the screen and it's non responsive during Tethering.
Thanks in advance!
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The icon doesn't change but if you look in the settings>about phone>status mobile network type it will sometimes changes to hsdpa but then it changes back to umts, after the internet connection is not being used
There is SO much confusion here..
The Vibrant supports HSPA upto 7.2Mbps.
Although the Vibrant can't go all the way up to 21Mbps, it CAN take advantage of speeds up to 7.2Mbps and when anyone says the Vibrant will support HSPA+, this is what they mean - to an extent but not completely. The increased backhaul means that HSPA for everyone goes faster.
7.2Mbps is faster than most home internet connections
. My home internet is only 5Mbps. I would NOT be shocked if the G2 barely if ever goes above 7Mbps.. it's just a fact that we ALL share network traffic and if someone is streaming Netflix, Playing PS3 online, that we all see a reduction in speed.. so, until 42Mbps next year I wouldn't expect to see these huge increases in speed with a HSPA+ device.
Sprint's 4G network will be so spotty that it's not even funny. If you think T-Mobile in general is spotty you haven't dealt with Sprint and Clear. The 4G connection will drop out often if you move and will never make it inside of any building unless the tower is across the street and even then, the signal will be weak or nonexistant. You can't do Voice and Data at the same time with EV-DO REV.A
When you see the 3G icon, you can do calls/data at the same time but the MTP application limits what you can do with the phone, to solve this install WiFi tether or MobileAP.
I been seeing lately the the new Mytouch HD has also been dubbed the Mytouch 4G which kinda makes no sense to me. My Mytouch Slide picks up the HSPA± signal alost everywhere I go (except in my house of course :l ) and from what I've read that's the only,techicnally 4G network,that T-mo plans to put out. So the MTHD being called the MT4G seems silly. Unless there's something I don't know,in which one of the great members of XDA could fill me in on =D
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While you can use the HSPA+ network and will see some boost, the Slide isn't made to handle the full bandwidth available to it. If you were to use it and the 4G side be side, I'm sure you'd see a considerable difference.
We can use towers that are rated 4G but will never reach the 21.1 Mbps. I thought hspa+ was their high end 4G, and standard 4G was just hspa. I only say that because UTMS is 3G, not hspa.
Except HSPA and HSPA+ are really expanded 3G services. 4G is LTE and Wimax. It's just that sprint's wimax is so slow.
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Well if you want to be technical, as it stands neither LTE or WiMax are 4G compliant.
Remember, when the iPhone 4g (or was it 3g?) came out, it was ONLY a name, it did not mean it supported 4g (or 3g) speeds...
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Well if you want to be technical, as it stands neither LTE or WiMax are 4G compliant.
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Agreed wholeheartedly! No service provider has 4g and out of them all Tmobile has the fastest data connection. If you are in a hspa + area.
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My phone stay on this speed. After I flashed that new rom with 2.2.1 I've had this "H" for a long time. That's the only network I get unless I'm in my house then I get edge coverage lolz.
send from mytouch 3g bruh
All,
I understand you can't tell if you are on 3G or 4G with the "H" symbol...but when you go to about phone -> network -> Mobile Network Type -> I only see HSDPA, never HSDPA+.
Is it supposed to show HSDPA+? Or its just a guessing game with "H" and HSDPA?
Just want to know if I'm on 4G or not.
Thanks!
On this phone you will see "H" regardless of HSPA/+. I downloaded the Mobile Signal Widget which shows you whether your network is 3G or H.
This is another thing I down quite understand. I remember the old 3g network would max out at about 1mb per sec. Then when they lunched the hsdpa it went up to about 4mbps in my area....now I was under the speculation that this means it was ready for hspa+. Well at the time I still had my g1 and my wife had her vibrant, both speeds were about the same her's a little faster probably due the faster phone. Now that i have the mt4g I thought i would be at least over 5mbps, but Im now the same as the vibrant. I was so excited about the hspa+ network, but either I dont have it in my area yet, or it was just false advertising. t-moble has a history of that. That had the faster internet on their map in my area about 4 months before it even happened. I called t-moble out on it and customer service kept sending services calls out to my local cell site, of course with out any results.
Crazynorwegian said:
This is another thing I down quite understand. I remember the old 3g network would max out at about 1mb per sec. Then when they lunched the hsdpa it went up to about 4mbps in my area....now I was under the speculation that this means it was ready for hspa+. Well at the time I still had my g1 and my wife had her vibrant, both speeds were about the same her's a little faster probably due the faster phone. Now that i have the g1 I thought i would be at least over 5mbps, but Im now the same as the vibrant. I was so excited about the hspa+ network, but either I dont have it in my area yet, or it was just false advertising. t-moble has a history of that. That had the faster internet on their map in my area about 4 months before it even happened. I called t-moble out on it and customer service kept sending services calls out to my local cell site, of course with out any results.
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To take advantage of the HSPA+ speeds, your hardware needs to be capable of it. Neither the G1 nor Vibrant meet those requirements. On T-Mobile, the G2 and MT4G were the first phones to utilize HSPA+. Depending on the area you're in, one may not even take advantage of full HSPA.
allen099 said:
To take advantage of the HSPA+ speeds, your hardware needs to be capable of it. Neither the G1 nor Vibrant meet those requirements. On T-Mobile, the G2 and MT4G were the first phones to utilize HSPA+. Depending on the area you're in, one may not even take advantage of full HSPA.
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Sorry the g1 in there was a typo, I was referring to my mt4g.
Please post questions in Q&A section.
T mobile has a posting of official hspa+ cities. Are you sure you're in one?
Keep in mind, when T Mobile says a city is hspa+, that means that at least 50% of the towers are upgraded to hspa+. So you still might not even get it.
And you'll see a difference for sure between the g2/mt4g running on hspa+, compared to a vibrant or g1 or whatever.
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I don't think the network indicator is always accurate. I've speedtested ~3.3mbps when the phone reported being on EDGE, which just isn't possible.
I've seen some reviews that complain the phone keeps falling back to EDGE and I wonder how much of that is just the phone showing inaccurate information.
There's no HSPA+ in my area and the phone currently reports being on HSPDA, but I recall that saying UMTS the other day. Again, that information displayed seems to be buggy.
Ok. I've pulled the images from the EVO dump of the 4G connection notification symbol...but how would I link them in a custom framework-res.apk to appear whenever I am connected to HSPA+? I would like to know when I have "4g Speeds" without going to About Phone, then Network.
This would be nice!
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agreed ...
Has there been any developements on this subject. Would be really nice to know when I am in 3G or a 4G area. It really should have came that way new
I would also love to see this in somebodys rom!
They could replace the 3G with a 4G, but not both because t-mobiles network is the same tech, just upgraded.
There is no way for your phone to distinguish this in the actual rom. Sorry if this dashes hopes.
T-Fanatic said:
They could replace the 3G with a 4G, but not both because t-mobiles network is the same tech, just upgraded.
There is no way for your phone to distinguish this in the actual rom. Sorry if this dashes hopes.
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The phone's "about phone" section under settings can detect the difference between 3G (UMTS-HSPDA) and 4G (HSPA+), so why couldn't the same info be passed on to the ROM's data indicator?
Why would you want "4G" when the phone is not "4G"....
"H" is good enough for me. it is HSPA+
Why would you want "4G" when the phone is not "4G"....
"H" is good enough for me. it is HSPA+
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HSPA+ is 4G now according to the International Telecommunications Union, so it is a 4g phone and capable of 4g speeds
kakabozo said:
HSPA+ is 4G now according to the International Telecommunications Union, so it is a 4g phone and capable of 4g speeds
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If you want to be "honest about it" Speed requirements for 4G are the peak download speeds are 100Mbits/S for mobile means of communications. HSPA+ is only capable of speeds around 56Mbits/S download.
Technically they (the ITU) have stated our current technology is "4G". but it all honesty, it's only like 3.8G.
Normally that would be true but now legally due to the recent FFC ruling HSPA+ is considered 4G as part of another marketing gimmick by wireless provider. As they all wanted to push for it so now HSPA+ 21 now divide that by half is actually capped on the phone now divide that by half again and thats your actual speed lol. This is why TMo got away with claiming to be the largest 4G network in USA lol hence no one revolted not Sprint or Verizon as TMo beat them at their own game. As delivering 4G in 2010 is just another inside joke you won't believe how many morons would pay or upgrade their dataplan thinking 4G is better without actually getting anything IRL. I had an idiot who argue with me he was getting 4G service on a device that was not even 4G capable. I had to explain to him he is benefiting from the network upgrade but its still HSPA.
If you want to be "honest about it" Speed requirements for 4G are the peak download speeds are 100Mbits/S for mobile means of communications. HSPA+ is only capable of speeds around 56Mbits/S download.
Technically they (the ITU) have stated our current technology is "4G". but it all honesty, it's only like 3.8G.
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I agree with you on the fact that HSPA+ isn't true "4g", i just wanted to point out that people calling it 4g are in the clear....technically lol
kakabozo said:
I agree with you on the fact that HSPA+ isn't true "4g", i just wanted to point out that people calling it 4g are in the clear....technically lol
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Yea i agree. I just cannot wait to see what is going to happen with true "4g" starts to roll out.
"Here at ____ have the first 4G system"
"wait i thought you said had 4G back in 2011"
"we did but that wasn't 4G, this IS 4G"
if we cant get the 4g to appear up at the top notification bar why cant we just create an application that polls the about phone for the HSPA+ or UMTS-HSPA and display an icon on the desktop that tells us which one it is? its not the best solution but at least when i'm on the home screen i can tell if i'm on 3G or 4G
THAT would be sooo cook. I hope someone figures out how to do it.
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Cool I meant. Lol.
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On CM7 it reads either 3g or H so you do know, but not on stock.
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Like this
Okay but "H" isn't what T-Mobile calls 4G. "H" just means HSPA, not HSPA+. The Mytouch 3G was capable of "H" speeds.
I have seen screenshots from Inspire 4G where you get an "H+" icon in HSPA+ to differentiate it from just plain HSPA. Maybe someone can figure out how to port that distinction over to your phone?
cmstlist said:
Okay but "H" isn't what T-Mobile calls 4G. "H" just means HSPA, not HSPA+. The Mytouch 3G was capable of "H" speeds.
I have seen screenshots from Inspire 4G where you get an "H+" icon in HSPA+ to differentiate it from just plain HSPA. Maybe someone can figure out how to port that distinction over to your phone?
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H is hspa for tmobile there is no difference between hdsa and hspa for the notification bar the only way to tell is to run speedtest
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I'm new to the Android thing so please don't kill me for the stupid question...
While I ran WinMO, I always had the 3G icon....Now on droid (coredroid latest version) The icon will switch between "E", "H", and "3G". Whats the difference between them and what do they mean?
My carrier is T-Mobile US. I was told by T-Mobile that they now longer have a 3G network, even though my HD2 is a 3G phone, it will get 4G speeds....
broknindarkagain said:
I'm new to the Android thing so please don't kill me for the stupid question...
While I ran WinMO, I always had the 3G icon....Now on droid (coredroid latest version) The icon will switch between "E", "H", and "3G". Whats the difference between them and what do they mean?
My carrier is T-Mobile US. I was told by T-Mobile that they now longer have a 3G network, even though my HD2 is a 3G phone, it will get 4G speeds....
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Since the HD2 isn't a 4G phone, "H" is the almost equivalent; I think it's 3.75 or something like that. So, when you see the H, highest "letter", you are getting faster than 3G speed.
T-MO doesn't even have a 4G network, strictly speaking. But even if it had, your HD2 wouldn't be able to support it.
The max you can get is indeed 3.75G or HSPA, with up to 14/6 mbps down/upload speeds respectively. This is shown by the 'H' icon.
The 3G icon should refer to a UMTS connection, which is considerably slower than H. Some builds however also use the 3G icon when actually you're on a HSPA connection. This is just the icon, the connection is always as fast as possible.
E stands for Edge, an elder (and less battery consuming) protocol with much slower transfer speeds.
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T-MO doesn't even have a 4G network, strictly speaking. But even if it had, your HD2 wouldn't be able to support it.
The max you can get is indeed 3.75G or HSPA, with up to 14/6 mbps down/upload speeds respectively. This is shown by the 'H' icon.
The 3G icon should refer to a UMTS connection, which is considerably slower than H. Some builds however also use the 3G icon when actually you're on a HSPA connection. This is just the icon, the connection is always as fast as possible.
E stands for Edge, an elder (and less battery consuming) protocol with much slower transfer speeds.
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If T-Mobile doesn't have 4G, then why do they sell two 4G phones and advertise 4G? Does Sprint not have 4G,either? They do have 4G, it's just that some areas are not utilizing it yet.
No, they don't have 4G. They claim they have, and the speeds are faster than a typical HSPA network, but it's not 4G.
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscent...doesnt_have_4g_and_theres_no_santa_claus.html
I'm not sure on Sprint, but at first they sure falsely advertised their network as 4G. They may have upgraded it to true 4G by now, again, I'm not sure.
Edit: nope, all carriers are still lying about their 4G network.
If its not 4G, they why are they all calling it 4g?
And if 4G is non existent since no carriers have it, then wouldn't HSPA really be 4G?
I don't get this. So Evo users don't get 4G?
Okay third time, no it's not 4g it's an upgraded kind of 3G. I have even included a link about it, click it and read some.