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JI6 update: a *serious* let-down, in my opinion

So, this post is 1/2 "rant" and 1/2 "any ideas", but the JI6 Update has been (in my opinion) a very serious letdown.
First of all, I can't be alone in thinking that the late-September update from Samsung would be a full-blown upgrade to Froyo. Obviously it's not. I guess we'll wait awhile before that's released
Secondly, I'm one of those sorry saps that had the update soft-brick my phone. It took me a few days to get around to the ODIN fix (bumping me back to "stock"), but it was still a royal pain.
Thirdly, I've already seen some issues that I didn't have before. For instance, the phone "froze" on me while sitting at home: no screen response. I had to pull the battery and power up again. Nice!
Finally, the battery life is utterly horrible for me -- and I'm not sure why. Currently at 26% battery life (now 8h 4m since unplugged). 34% of the usage is "display", which has been on for 28m total. 22% is cell standby. 15% is phone idle. 10% is voice calls (2m 10s of that). 8% is the Android System. So on and so forth. Basically, I've *hardly* used my phone today, yet the battery isn't going to last thru to the afternoon. I have 6 active applications, with none of them hitting the CPU at all currently. Best of all? The battery icon looks like I'm about 1/2 full, so evidently Samsung couldn't be bothered to make that icon accurate. I know about the battery icon mods out there (I've used 'em), but I figured Samsung would take care of that.
Sorry for the venting, folks. Is anyone else seeing similar stuff? Any ideas on the lame battery life??
Thanks,
Yip

For me Android 2.1 which samsung released in Galaxy S is exactly like Windows Vista ! No matter how many updates you release for it still will make your phone **** !
The only option is to release a full new OS which is Windows 7 = Froyo !

Better than Windows NT = 1.6

Getting your phone bricked isnt the updates fault, there are hundreds of threads out there and reading just one couldve given you signs of warning.
As for your battery life, I am willing to bet your phone screen is full of widgets. Try limiting those, as well as automated syncing. I get excellent battery life that can EASILY last me the whole day (I actually find myself running avatar/pandora at the end of the night just to drain it so I can recharge the battery).
However, I do agree that the inaccurate battery reading should have been fixed a long time ago (or at least in this update) and that froyo should have been included with the release of this phone.

Your cell standy is too high which means you have things constantly using the cell signal to pull data, thus draining your battery. Right now I'm at 72% with 67% display, 14% voice calls, and 9% cell standby. Been unplugged for 3 and a half hours.
Not great but I'm purposely trying to let it die because I'm reconditioning.

The_wolf88 said:
For me Android 2.1 which samsung released in Galaxy S is exactly like Windows Vista ! No matter how many updates you release for it still will make your phone **** !
The only option is to release a full new OS which is Windows 7 = Froyo !
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Ha! You may just be right on that. Eclair seems like a fairly lame version of Android, if you ask me. Not horrible, but not great.
anthonys2r said:
Getting your phone bricked isnt the updates fault, there are hundreds of threads out there and reading just one couldve given you signs of warning.
As for your battery life, I am willing to bet your phone screen is full of widgets. Try limiting those, as well as automated syncing. I get excellent battery life that can EASILY last me the whole day (I actually find myself running avatar/pandora at the end of the night just to drain it so I can recharge the battery).
However, I do agree that the inaccurate battery reading should have been fixed a long time ago (or at least in this update) and that froyo should have been included with the release of this phone.
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"Signs of warning" means nothing, my friend. There are folks who didn't even *root* that got soft-bricked with this update. It was (somehow) poorly handled.
As for your widgets comment, well... you would've lost the bet. I use a single screen, no widgets, no weather stuff, bluetooth off, wifi on (but currently turned off), and nothing extraneous. I run Android about as light & frothy as you can get! I prefer speed over just about everything.
Any other thoughts, though? Perhaps I should re-load Autostarts to see if there's anything strange launching at boot time...

kangxi said:
Your cell standy is too high which means you have things constantly using the cell signal to pull data, thus draining your battery. Right now I'm at 72% with 67% display, 14% voice calls, and 9% cell standby. Been unplugged for 3 and a half hours.
Not great but I'm purposely trying to let it die because I'm reconditioning.
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Interesting. Any ideas what would be pinging the cell standby so much? I'm in a high-bandwidth area (full bars), so it's not like the phone is struggling to get signal. I use Gmail and Exchange, but my Exchange sync is set to "hourly", rather than push.
Doesn't seem like I'd need to disable my 3G connectivity. I certainly have never had to before.

You should probably reflash the update. JI6 was great on my phone, no hiccups, no lag, perfect GPS.
Also, you should recalibrate your battery after the update and give it a few days to settle down. I always get horrible battery life after flashing a rom, but after a few cycles I'm back up to 24h+.
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Honestly, I wouldn't know unless I knew your full setup. What I will say is that I do have a lot of widgets and apps running that pull from the internet but yet my cell standby isn't as high as yours. I haven't reduced any of my sync intervals either. The 3G radio can really drain battery fast, faster than even the screen so that is a problem.
Also, in JI6, they increased the strength of the radio so it drains even more battery. I am running the JI6 modem however.
You should use something like WatchDog to see what is constantly running and using CPU. That could give you an indicator of problem apps.

Well, I'm disabling some startup items: Visual Voicemail, Telenav, and Daily Briefing -- none of which I use. Maybe that'll help. I don't know...
I was really trying to run "stock" this time around -- not so much fooling and tinkering with things, but it doesn't appear to be paying off for me. Frustrating.

yipcanjo said:
Well, I'm disabling some startup items: Visual Voicemail, Telenav, and Daily Briefing -- none of which I use. Maybe that'll help. I don't know...
I was really trying to run "stock" this time around -- not so much fooling and tinkering with things, but it doesn't appear to be paying off for me. Frustrating.
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Oh wow, yea definitely you need to disable all of those. That's the first thing I do. I actually uninstall Visual Voicemail, Telenav, Amazon MP3 etc. ALL of those things constantly run for some reason even without you opening them once.

You're not alone. My battery life is terrible as well after the update. I'm losing 4% an hour on standby.
That said, my phone is smooth and working great when I do use it.

Yellow C6 said:
You're not alone. My battery life is terrible as well after the update. I'm losing 4% an hour on standby.
That said, my phone is smooth and working great when I do use it.
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Amen to that. Except that the GPS is still unreliable.
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I'm having terrible battery life as well.

i'm 24 hours unplugged, sitting at 27%
all stock JI6

Again, if you didn't do so after the update, wipe battery stats and then do a few full drain/charge cycles. My battery life always sucks after flashing a new ROM, but it always goes back to normal given time.
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after the update for me, my gps is much better, but i actually have more lag then i had stock before....
so I need to either flash a kernel, lag fix, or a rom with at least one of those.... its kind of frustrating to have lag just from opening or closing a simple app, messages, or call... I honestly cant believe a phone with these hardware specs can have lag just from somthing as simple going into the dialer and exiting out...

Battery life seems to have decreased a little but still getting a good 20+ hours. GPS is a little better with use wireless networks. Lag is an issue now though. Didn't have much before a the update. Hopefully its solved in another update or froyo.
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So I applied the update on Tuesday through Mini Kies. First experience with this update, it's been great. My phone seems to faster, really I hardly experience any kind of lag or slowdown (and this is in comparison with my stock vibrant running OCLF). Battery life even seems to be better, but that is probably to do with conditioning. So everything has been good except for the fact that my phone has froze on me TWICE today. I'm thinking it's something to do with the apps though. I was in Layar and it was working for a bit when suddenly, it froze, I didn't have to pull the battery I just held the power button down for a good 5-10 seconds and it restarted. The other time was in a game, which kind of concerns me. I suppose I can reinstall both and see how that goes. I'm thinking it has more to do with the apps possibly being corrupted. The first thing I did was install the 2.2 market on my phone and I ran the update all function on like 15 apps that needed updating. Not a good idea imo, the market went crazy and forced closed a couple of times. I'm not entirely sure what is going but it seems like my phone is only freezing in certain apps. I hope it's not just some random freeze that can happen at anytime, that wouldn't be no good.

You guys complaining about battery life... i would Love to have your times. I got 3 hours and 8 minutes today on a fully charged battery.

Battery life is beyond awful with light use

Any suggestions? The Android System is taking up most of my cycles, but when I go into it, it shows that the phone is barely kept alive.
I don't know what else to do.

Having the exact same issue.

Try one day using nothing but 3G, you may be surprised at your battery life.
I'm still on Froyo, and since that was released (stock or custom rom doesn't matter) my battery life takes a nose dive with Wifi.
Back on Eclair, Wifi was my battery life saver. Now with Froyo, 3G is my life saver. Weird stuff.

Problem is I live in a weak 3G area (signal you see is with the older Airave which doesn't do data), and I may have a problem getting a good data signal.
That said, I will try it tomorrow and report back.

haveing the same problem wether im on 3g or wifi. froyo i had pretty good battery life all around.

Milkman00 said:
Problem is I live in a weak 3G area (signal you see is with the older Airave which doesn't do data), and I may have a problem getting a good data signal.
That said, I will try it tomorrow and report back.
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The old airave does data. Its only 1x but it is data.

I left work at 4:30, it's 5:07. My battery still says 100%. This is insane.

Milkman00 said:
Problem is I live in a weak 3G area (signal you see is with the older Airave which doesn't do data), and I may have a problem getting a good data signal.
That said, I will try it tomorrow and report back.
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If you're in an area with bad signal, that will absolutely kill your battery. There is a place I have to go to for business quite often near an airport, and I don't get good reception there. I don't have much of a choice but to turn off data when I'm in the building or my phone will constantly drain at a rate similar to yours.
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hayzooos said:
If you're in an area with bad signal, that will absolutely kill your battery. There is a place I have to go to for business quite often near an airport, and I don't get good reception there. I don't have much of a choice but to turn off data when I'm in the building or my phone will constantly drain at a rate similar to yours.
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I have an Airave though, so signal shouldn't be an issue.

what i don't get is why is the android system showing to be so battery hungry, while display is almost nothing, in my experience from froyo the display is the main battery eater not the android system. i have had my display on for 35 min in the last 2 hours and it shows 2% use from display and 77% from android system
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Btw i get better battery life now with GB and legendary rom 3.3

Could it be the "DRM Content" service preventing the phone from propperly sleeping? Also, have you tried the old trick where you put your phone in airplane mode, then back to normal? For some reason it *used* to make the Epic recieve a better signal, and draw less power because of it.

the_details said:
Could it be the "DRM Content" service preventing the phone from propperly sleeping? Also, have you tried the old trick where you put your phone in airplane mode, then back to normal? For some reason it *used* to make the Epic recieve a better signal, and draw less power because of it.
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The TWS (time without service) bug existed because for some reason the radio was searching for a GSM signal too. Even though our phone is CDMA and on a CDMA network, our radio would search for the GSM signal upon boot. This in turn caused the TWS to display ~50-51% and drain the battery incredibly fast.
This happened with each reboot of the phone. Toggling airplane mode manually refreshed the settings for the radio, which turned off that GSM signal search.
It may be worth a shot to check that. Open the cell standby option on the battery statistics page to see what your TWS % is at.

jarcher12 said:
what i don't get is why is the android system showing to be so battery hungry, while display is almost nothing, in my experience from froyo the display is the main battery eater not the android system. i have had my display on for 35 min in the last 2 hours and it shows 2% use from display and 77% from android system
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Btw i get better battery life now with GB and legendary rom 3.3
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My theory is that it is now optimized for gpu and logs the display maintenance processes under Android System. Or something they did makes the display less power hungry.
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i seriously thought it was a mistake at first so used to seeing the display eating something like 90% of my battery use. they must have changed the way they measure things radically, i still feel like i get better battery use now with legendary rom than i ever did with froyo.

Freeze DRM content. How much % of the time are you logged without signal? (According to your battery stats) try a day with 3G off. You'll still be able to make calls, and receive texts with 1x service with 3g deactivated. Increase account refresh intervals to something less frequent, same with any widgets you may be using.
I'm seriously *this close* to writing up a guide so we can all get the best out of our battery, I just need time, can't atm, working what I can to make ends meet.
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I'm right there with you. I was getting horrible battery life with EC05 so I decided to give GB a shot since so may people were reporting good results.
I'm getting about 6 hours max. I can't make it through the day at all.
Sucks.
And not only that, but I still have the issue where the battery displays incorrectly. If I reboot the phone while at 75%, it will say it's down to 15% after reboot. I know this was a bug with EC05 and you just had to reboot while plugged in to remedy this but it's such a pain.

I had terrible battery life with EC05.
I did the update.zip method because I'm impatient. My device bootlooped as a result. Had to do factory wipe/reset...and now, battery life is great, far better than EC05 was.
I believe the trick was the factory reset and start over. I'm still getting emails, and have FB, Twitter and G+ running like before (manual updates) but the battery lasts the day no problem. If you do a reset and then restore from backup, you're potentially putting back the problem, that's why I did it the hard way (aside from it being unplanned!)
GB seems to handle weak signal areas much better now. With EC05, my phone would get hot when I was at my desk, and that usually wiped out the battery in short order. That doesn't seem to happen with GB.
One common thread I've heard amongst Android owners is that if you start running into battery life issues you can't explain, use the nuclear option...wipe/reset to the OOB (out of box) condition and then manually rebuild. I've heard of good results using this method, and I seem to be one of them.

I am actually getting decent battery life.
I normally rely on WIFI, so that is the probably the reason why my phone lasts around 14 hours. Try turning off push notification for facebook. Also it could be a bad flash. One time I had bad flash with SRF1.2, it made my phone hot all the time and battery was draining 10% per hour even when I had it screen turned off.

For those with poor cell signal, make sure your wifi is set to never sleep. I'm on the stock deodexed rom and getting much better battery life than ever before on this phone. Had it 12 hours off charger with 3 hours of screen on and still had 20% battery left.
To the Op, there is definitely something wrong with your results. Are you using ei22 modem? Which rom? Seems like some service is eating away at you battery but I'm not sure how to tell which one. My phone also shows android system as the highest power draw, but I am getting great battery life.
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mtwow789 said:
I am actually getting decent battery life.
I normally rely on WIFI, so that is the probably the reason why my phone lasts around 14 hours. Try turning off push notification for facebook. Also it could be a bad flash. One time I had bad flash with SRF1.2, it made my phone hot all the time and battery was draining 10% per hour even when I had it screen turned off.
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There is a way to actually turn push notification on/off? that's news to me. Push notification worked for me once, then they updated the app and it's never worked since.
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For those with poor cell signal, make sure your wifi is set to never sleep. I'm on the stock deodexed rom and getting much better battery life than ever before on this phone. Had it 12 hours off charger with 3 hours of screen on and still had 20% battery left.
To the Op, there is definitely something wrong with your results. Are you using ei22 modem? Which rom? Seems like some service is eating away at you battery but I'm not sure how to tell which one. My phone also shows android system as the highest power draw, but I am getting great battery life.
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On Froyo and GB, I get worse battery life on wifi when I set it to never sleep...

Terrible batterylife when playing any game

hey guys. check my stats and tell me what you think please: faster discharge than charge....even worse if i dont regulate my cpu to 800mhz durimg gaming...tab doesnt even get too hot so where does all the energy go?
the first image shows one percent takes 1.30min to deplete so i get 150min overall when playing games. also 40% discharge per hour so 2-3x as fast depletion as when browsing or writing with spen. and that even thouh cpu max is 800mhz!

My guess is, there is something wrong with the KitKat firmwares we have. Maybe that's why they haven't released it in most countries.

tried draining it completely last night... started around 8 with the process, 8.30 it was supposedly empty. after that around 15 reboots still possible, 2 hours screen time in download mode and about 20 minutes left to play around with it. battery kept jumping to 3-7% on reboot and then drained again. so lots of juice was still in there.. will see how it does now, that a complete drain was performed

Keks1234 said:
tried draining it completely last night... started around 8 with the process, 8.30 it was supposedly empty. after that around 15 reboots still possible, 2 hours screen time in download mode and about 20 minutes left to play around with it. battery kept jumping to 3-7% on reboot and then drained again. so lots of juice was still in there.. will see how it does now, that a complete drain was performed
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Save your time. Draining and complete discharging is an old trend with batteries, made with older technology. Modern batteries are totally useless to drain, it only calibrates the device. Which can be done by Battery Calibration app.
Save the time and try to calibrate it. Requires root.

I've had this problem for months (strangely I feel like it only became a problem a few months after I bought the device). I've heard some people say it's a motherboard issue and they sent it in to Samsung for repair. Others have said don't waste your time.
As for me, I just grin and bear it... and know that if I play a game I'll need to charge it soon after.

fezzle said:
I've had this problem for months (strangely I feel like it only became a problem a few months after I bought the device). I've heard some people say it's a motherboard issue and they sent it in to Samsung for repair. Others have said don't waste your time.
As for me, I just grin and bear it... and know that if I play a game I'll need to charge it soon after.
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I rooted it so samsung will tell me tough luck but it is my own fault i guess... damn this is not the way I imagined it going...

Keks1234 said:
I rooted it so samsung will tell me tough luck but it is my own fault i guess... damn this is not the way I imagined it going...
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I have the exactly the same problem.. I have tried one of the battery calibrating apps from the play store. Also I have now done a factory reset and also booted into recovery mode and deleted all cache. Then I have done another factory rest within recovery mode. So far seems much better. Hoping that it is fixed.
If not I am going to blast Samsung. I spent the £500 on this tablet and i expect more. Thought this was a premium product. See what happens but I notice there is only a 6 month warranty on the battery so Samsung may try and wash there hands of the situation. Does everyone have this issue who is using kit Kat?
See what happens but we may need collectively 'fight' Samsung if this is a hardware issue. I would encourage people to post there issues here just in case.
Have you noticed when you get to 0% battery life, if you reboot it will probably jump upto 30%? The calibration is well and truly stuffed!

FYI, I just got this tablet this past Sunday and it comes with KitKat. Spend sometime turning off some bloatware from the Application Manager. No root yet for Wifi without KNOX tripping, so I can't disable any other apps. Played around with the tablet a little bit and the battery life is not good.
Stats:
- Wifi Always ON even during sleep
- GPS is ON
- BT off
- Samsung crap-features OFF (Smart Stay, Smart Scroll, etc.)
So it's Samsung and/or KitKat. I can't even tell what caused Android OS to keep the CPU awake for so long. With this, I assume playing game will reduce the battery even more.
12 hours 42 minutes total time since charged
1 hour 34 minutes screen on time
4 hours 23 minutes Android OS keeping the CPU stay awake??

lanwarrior said:
FYI, I just got this tablet this past Sunday and it comes with KitKat. Spend sometime turning off some bloatware from the Application Manager. No root yet for Wifi without KNOX tripping, so I can't disable any other apps. Played around with the tablet a little bit and the battery life is not good.
Stats:
- Wifi Always ON even during sleep
- GPS is ON
- BT off
- Samsung crap-features OFF (Smart Stay, Smart Scroll, etc.)
So it's Samsung and/or KitKat. I can't even tell what caused Android OS to keep the CPU awake for so long. With this, I assume playing game will reduce the battery even more.
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Most likely because you've got location on, and apps constantly requesting your current location.
Location/GPS is the mother of all battery drains especially if you haven't got a consistent lock on GPS satellites

marxses said:
Most likely because you've got location on, and apps constantly requesting your current location.
Location/GPS is the mother of all battery drains especially if you haven't got a consistent lock on GPS satellites
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My thought is that if I am connected to wifi, the tablet will use network based location service and not GPS.
I also have GPS ON all the time on my Note 3and it didn't cause this much CPU awake. Both the Note 3and Note 10 ate connected to the same wifi network.

lanwarrior said:
My thought is that if I am connected to wifi, the tablet will use network based location service and not GPS.
I also have GPS ON all the time on my Note 3and it didn't cause this much CPU awake. Both the Note 3and Note 10 ate connected to the same wifi network.
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Just to clarify when you say GPS, do you mean location services? Thought you meant the GPS was actually active.
Edit: location services work a bit differently going from jellybean to kitKat
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lanwarrior said:
My thought is that if I am connected to wifi, the tablet will use network based location service and not GPS.
I also have GPS ON all the time on my Note 3and it didn't cause this much CPU awake. Both the Note 3and Note 10 ate connected to the same wifi network.
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Have you got the same apps running on both devices? And same location reporting settings for any apps that use it?
How many charges have you been through? Some times when installing new ROMs Android OS does come up as using a lot of battery, not sure if that applies to a fresh stock tablet though
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Keks1234 said:
hey guys. check my stats and tell me what you think please: faster discharge than charge....even worse if i dont regulate my cpu to 800mhz durimg gaming...tab doesnt even get too hot so where does all the energy go?
the first image shows one percent takes 1.30min to deplete so i get 150min overall when playing games. also 40% discharge per hour so 2-3x as fast depletion as when browsing or writing with spen. and that even thouh cpu max is 800mhz!
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Can't tell much from the stats you've provided.
I'm no expert but I don't think limiting the cpu in anyway let alone so severely will help, most likely make things worse.
Games are normally more GPU intensive than CPU and it's not the frequency that determines power consumption it's the voltage.
800mhz would require less voltage to be stable but if your just limiting frequency, your voltages might still be going up when more resources are requested.
What Rom and kernel are you using?

marxses said:
Just to clarify when you say GPS, do you mean location services? Thought you meant the GPS was actually active.
Edit: location services work a bit differently going from jellybean to kitKat
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Have you got the same apps running on both devices? And same location reporting settings for any apps that use it?
How many charges have you been through? Some times when installing new ROMs Android OS does come up as using a lot of battery, not sure if that applies to a fresh stock tablet though
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I meant GPS as in BOTH the GPS hardware and the location-based network. Sorry for the confusion, but my Note 3 show "GPS" while my Note 10.1 show "Location".
Anyho, both devices have both GPS hardware and location-based network turned ON. Correct me if I am wrong, but if the device couldn't find GPS signal, it'll just revert to the location-based network. I think it doesn't make sense for the OS to use both at the same time as it will create a conflict on the accuracy of the location.
For the Note 3, it use stock ROM but rooted. It is on 4.3 and I have installed many apps.
For the Note 10.1, it use stock ROM and not rooted. It is on 4.4.2 and brand new, no 3rd party apps installed at all. I only setup Google account for email and calendar. No Google Now. Disabled bloatware from "Application Manager".
With the Note 10.1, something must have changed in 4.4.2. I will try to turn off GPS and location-based network completely and see what happen.

lanwarrior said:
I meant GPS as in BOTH the GPS hardware and the location-based network. Sorry for the confusion, but my Note 3 show "GPS" while my Note 10.1 show "Location".
Anyho, both devices have both GPS hardware and location-based network turned ON. Correct me if I am wrong, but if the device couldn't find GPS signal, it'll just revert to the location-based network. I think it doesn't make sense for the OS to use both at the same time as it will create a conflict on the accuracy of the location.
For the Note 3, it use stock ROM but rooted. It is on 4.3 and I have installed many apps.
For the Note 10.1, it use stock ROM and not rooted. It is on 4.4.2 and brand new, no 3rd party apps installed at all. I only setup Google account for email and calendar. No Google Now. Disabled bloatware from "Application Manager".
With the Note 10.1, something must have changed in 4.4.2. I will try to turn off GPS and location-based network completely and see what happen.
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Go into location services/mode in settings on your note 2014.
You'll see there are three options.
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High accuracy uses both gps and wifi

I had the same problem with my Note 10.1 2014. Send it to Samsung for repair and they said it was the battery. Got it yesterday and after a full night to charge to 100% it only gave me 3 hours and 40 min of use. I used to have 8 to 10 h of use. It's Kit Kat, I'm sure. It's really crap. I used to love it before the update now I just hate it.

Antrax said:
I had the same problem with my Note 10.1 2014. Send it to Samsung for repair and they said it was the battery. Got it yesterday and after a full night to charge to 100% it only gave me 3 hours and 40 min of use. I used to have 8 to 10 h of use. It's Kit Kat, I'm sure. It's really crap. I used to love it before the update now I just hate it.
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Wait, did you have the awake problem like mine? Also, did you meant 8 hours of screen on time?
As shown in my first post, I have 1.5 hours of screen on time and with the awake problem, I still have 68% left.
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Go into location services/mode in settings on your note 2014.
You'll see there are three options.
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High accuracy uses both gps and wifi
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Yup, that's what I have. I am going to turn off GPS and Wifi-based location completely (from the dropdown menu, press the "Location" button) and see what happen. The tablet is charging now, but I will post update soon.

Did you do a factory reset after updating?
I know Samsung says it's not neccessary, but it still is highly recommended.
I too have stock 4.4.2 (factory reset, than rooted) and nothing else, didn't even bother to debloat it yet. I will play around with it today and report back.
Edit: surfing drains about 10% in 1 hour. Have not tried gaming yet.

I thought i'd give some of my personal experience:
I just installed a game called DeProfundis Requiem (a 3D, diablo 2 like game) and had some serious battery draining at first.
The other day I played maybe 1 hour and my battery dropped to 15%. 3 minutes later (or so) it dropped to 5%... I rebooted, and the battery showed around 29%. Tried to play again and that only lasted 5 minutes and then the tablet turned off.
Since then, things seem to have stabilized. I now can play that game for over 2-3 hours, with quite a bit of battery left. What I did notice is that if the tablet got hot (on the right back side), then the battery drains quite fast. In the contrary if I'm indoors with AC, the battery seem to last much longer.
I think this has to do with the tablet overheating and therefore draining the battery faster. Maybe something you can try is that as soon as the device start feeling a bit hot, turn it off for 10mn, and try again.
I hope this can be useful to some of you.
- Olivier

Just a quick update:
I hard reset my tablet (remember, it's brand new), which already have 4.4.2. Configured Google account, disabled bloatware, turned off GPS, turned ON Wifi and installed Zinio for a test.
Left the tablet overnight, use it very slightly. Check out the battery drain caused by Android OS... It's definitely some sort of bloatware or 4.4.2...

Not familiar with the battery app you've got, pretty confusing bunch of numbers there! Better battery stats is one of the best battery monitoring apps and gives you concise wake lock info.....it may require root now though, can't remember.
Your Android OS is always going to consume a higher percentage of your battery if you don't actually use the tablet. 86% after 12 hrs off the juice ain't to bad?

marxses said:
Not familiar with the battery app you've got, pretty confusing bunch of numbers there! Better battery stats is one of the best battery monitoring apps and gives you concise wake lock info.....it may require root now though, can't remember.
Your Android OS is always going to consume a higher percentage of your battery if you don't actually use the tablet. 86% after 12 hrs off the juice ain't to bad?
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It's GSAM Battery, quote popular in XDA. BBS require root, which I dont have yet.
Since this tablet is brand new out of the box, I conclude it's Android OS / one of Samsung bloatware causing the drain. Not much I can do til I root the tablet, but I am waiting for one that is not tripping KNOX.

t-mobile pushing through new update

t-mobile has started sending out updates through the phone. received mine about 15 minutes ago. when the update first showed up it explained exactly what the update was for and what it did. the update is supposed to give you the green battery icon if you have a new replacement note. if note the battery icon stays white and let's you know to return your phone for a replacement. i have not done the actual update yet as i am holding onto my note till the end of the month as i might try to get another phone besides a samsung phone.

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danon.brown said:
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Phone is flying now. Lag is gone. Iris scanner is futuristic and display options allow you to scale device. Can't wait for non exploding note 7 Thur
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That safety notice pops up every time you plug in the charger
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Green battery icon is add
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flak0 said:
Phone is flying now. Lag is gone. Iris scanner is futuristic and display options allow you to scale device. Can't wait for non exploding note 7 Thur
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This is the main reason why I want to return my phone back for a new iphone. The lag is terrible.... I know you said lag is gone, but could you elaborate?

The update also includes the September 1, 2016 security maintenance release.

I wonder if the security update includes a feature that will let them turn the phone off if you do not swap it out?

Getting my replacement sent to my store since I cant get silver in any one around me. Just got confirmation text lets hope they get them out asap!

If my Note 7 is from China and I download this update...I fear my battery icon will turn green and I won't be able to exchange the phone ? Will T-Mobile sent me if this happens?

Larry Fortune said:
I wonder if the security update includes a feature that will let them turn the phone off if you do not swap it out?
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The rumor is that they will take away 40% of your battery capacity due to forcing your battery to only charge up to 60% of total charge. They say this to make sure the old Note 7 don't over charge and don't explode. This is rumor to happen by the end of month.
This is what I believe is their last straw in getting us to exchange the older Note 7 for newer Note 7.
So this update is giving warning before taking away 40% of our battery charge capacity.
So there is no need for them to force shutdown your Note 7.

Has anyone else notice the Weather & Clock widget disappearing when using another launcher. I exchanged my device last night for a new one, set it all up the way I like it. The update came through this morning, and after installing it the "Weather & Clock" widget disappeared from my home screen. I'm using Google Now launcher and loved that I had this ability prior to the update as I know previous phones limited certain widgets when you used different launcher. Anyone else on this boat?
Thanks!

JaguarXT said:
The rumor is that they will take away 40% of your battery capacity due to forcing your battery to only charge up to 60% of total charge. They say this to make sure the old Note 7 don't over charge and don't explode. This is rumor to happen by the end of month.
This is what I believe is their last straw in getting us to exchange the older Note 7 for newer Note 7.
So this update is giving warning before taking away 40% of our battery charge capacity.
So there is no need for them to force shutdown your Note 7.
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Thats not true my phone have the new update and it charge to 100%... The phone is a lot faster and it dosent get hot at all like before. I started to like note 7 a lil more.

I'm worried about taking this update. I just got my replacement Note 7 about an hour ago, I don't want the update to make it so I can't get root. Anyone have any idea if this effects it?

Abdiel1224 said:
Thats not true my phone have the new update and it charge to 100%... The phone is a lot faster and it dosent get hot at all like before. I started to like note 7 a lil more.
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You didn't read it correctly. I said by "end of month". and "So this update is giving warning before taking away 40% of our battery charge capacity. ".
Which means that this wouldn't take effect until the end of month. Not now. Again it is/was (depending on time you read this) a rumor. This rumor is well posted at many news and tech sites,
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I'm worried about taking this update. I just got my replacement Note 7 about an hour ago, I don't want the update to make it so I can't get root. Anyone have any idea if this effects it?
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You can postpone it what they say as 3 times (whatever that means). Once you reboot it will reboot itself at sometime (without you choosing) and install itself regardless of you choosing to postpone it. That is what happened to me. Once it starts to install you can't stop it by shutting down (I tried that).
So in short in the long term you have no choice.

JaguarXT said:
You didn't read it correctly. I said by "end of month". and "So this update is giving warning before taking away 40% of our battery charge capacity. ".
Which means that this wouldn't take effect until the end of month. Not now. Again it is/was (depending on time you read this) a rumor. This rumor is well posted at many news and tech sites,
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You can postpone it what they say as 3 times (whatever that means). Once you reboot it will reboot itself at sometime and install itself regardless of you choosing to postpone it. That is what happened to me. Once it starts to install you can't stop it by shutting down (I tried that).
So in short in the long term you have no choice.
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Well, hopefully someone knows what app I may have to freeze to stop the update. It's not that I don't want it, it's that I don't want it yet until I'm sure!

What do you guys of the new notification bar pull down?
I think i like it more now.

imneveral0ne said:
Well, hopefully someone knows what app I may have to freeze to stop the update. It's not that I don't want it, it's that I don't want it yet until I'm sure!
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Once you postpone it, don't reboot.

I think people are getting confused since there are 2 updates.
One is for defective Note 7s making it so it'll only charge to 60% for safety reasons and so people will go exchange their devices.
The 2nd update is for new Note 7s, making the battery indicator green along with a number of improvements, I'm loving my Note even more now, its very snappy with some welcome UI changes.

redline06 said:
I think people are getting confused since there are 2 updates.
One is for defective Note 7s making it so it'll only charge to 60% for safety reasons and so people will go exchange their devices.
The 2nd update is for new Note 7s, making the battery indicator green along with a number of improvements, I'm loving my Note even more now, its very snappy with some welcome UI changes.
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WRONG. There is only one update for t-mobile users. Doesn't have to do with any kind of battery limitations, only fixes / improvements, and now a notification that will tell you to replace the device everytime you place it on a charger.

Automatic battery save in oreo

Hi! In nougat the battery saver activates automatically when battery reaches 15%. In Oreo, this option is not available. How can programming this option?
Thanks in advance
Greetings!!!
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Puzzling: NEVER CHANGE A WORKING SYSTEM
I've learned from working with IT for years and decades that updates often ruin things. "Never change a working system", a wise man once said. So, to hell with updates.
Unfortunately, my online banking app requires Android 5 to work, apparently for so-called "security reasons". So I had to switch from my old Samsung Galaxy S5 smartphone to something newer.
I remember the catastrophy the so-called "upgrade" from Android 4.4.2 to Android 5 caused on my S5 (if you mine the web for that event you'll find loads of user complaints, as that upgrade from 4.4.2 to 5 created real problems for many S5 users). I reverted back to 4.4.2.
So, I had already learned that Google and/or Samsung post bull**** as "OS updates" and jeopardise operations of vast parts of their user base, simply because their engineers aren't as smart as their marketing departments are trying to make them look...
By the way, I've also learned that app updates for Google play apps sometimes ruin functionality or change a paid app into something entirely different you would never have spent a cent for... Automatic app updates has been turned off on ALL of my devices for two or three years now. I update them manually, when they notify me of necessary updates.
So, I can't claim I hadn't had clear experiences. I can't say that I didn't know the risk of upgrading my LG V20 from Android 7 to Android 8. I could have known. And you know what? I knew it was going to be a risk. I read articles about the benefits of upgrading from 7 to 8. And they're ****ing scarce. I didn't really understand why Google changed version number from 7 to 8. The difference between Android 7 and 8 is minimal. There's just absolutely nothing you'd really need. All changes reflect... that Google's Android engineers seemingly don't know what to do during working hours. Seemingly, they're trying hard to be creative in one or the other way and then announce minor developments as a so-called "new" OS version. Wow.
Alright, so to be honest, I first decided NOT TO UPDATE MY LG V20 FROM ANDROID 7 TO 8 BUT TO CONTINUE WITH ANDROID 7. As my older devices all are still running Android 4.4+ because of the desaster I had experienced when updating the aforementioned Samsung S5 fron 4.4.2 to 5.0. So, updating was a nogo. First it was a nogo.
Why the hell did I update the LG V20 anyway?
There was exactly ONE feature Android 8 promised in the description which I considered important. The description of the update promised an improvement in power management. Specifically an improved battery life is promised. Sound good, eh? Any user will update if she or he's promised that a charge will last longer after updating.
Ok.
Now, after updating, the automatic battery saver at 15% has disappeared completely..?
After updating my V20 from Android 7 to 8 an automatic function is available only manually again? What humour is that?
God damn... Just ****ing God damn...
I gotta turn battery saver mode on MANUALLY now, in Android 8 you have to turn on battery saver manually when the phone notifies you that the charge has dropped to 15%. Running Android 7, the V20 turned battery saver on automatically at 15%...
What ****ing **** is this?!?!?!
In the first place, it's a downgrade. It's certainly not an upgrade, for ****s sake!
I think I've learned my lesson today. Once and forever.
NEVER CHANGE A WORKING SYSTEM.
And as I had decided NEVER EVER to buy a Samsung device again after the desaster because of upgrading Android 4.4.2 to 5.0, I'll never ever buy an LG device again after this experience. It's that simple, people. Messing up working systems with crappy updates is simply an absolute nogo.
NEVER CHANGE A WORKING SYSTEM!

Alrighthty then
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CryogenicChris said:
And as I had decided NEVER EVER to buy a Samsung device again after the desaster because of upgrading Android 4.4.2 to 5.0, I'll never ever buy an LG device again after this experience.
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So, just to make sure I understand this correctly, you are this worked up over one function of the phone that still works but doesn't automatically start any longer? And for that you forswear an entire major mobile manufacturer?
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fercas said:
Hi! In nougat the battery saver activates automatically when battery reaches 15%. In Oreo, this option is not available. How can programming this option?
Thanks in advance
Greetings!!!
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You might check into tasker or macrodroid to auto start battery saver.

Mnementh666 said:
So, just to make sure I understand this correctly, you are this worked up over one function of the phone that still works but doesn't automatically start any longer? And for that you forswear an entire major mobile manufacturer?
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You might check into tasker or macrodroid to auto start battery saver.
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Well ok, I admit that I overreacted a little bit regarding the feature change in Oreo.
It had also to do with the circumstance that I very much liked the orange bars on top and the bottom of the screen when the battery saver turned on. It looked cool, somehow emergency like. And since I am doing a lot of work outdoors, it always gave me that right sense of emergency when the bars turned orange because of battery below 15% and battery saver on. Yay!
The downside of the automatism was that the automatic battery saver automatically dimmed the screen, too. Working outdoors, under the bright sky, I often hardly could read the screen anymore once the battery saver had turned on. So I had to turn off battery saver mode to operate the phone again. This was especially true for the dimming at 5% battery and less.
On the other hand, the battery saver turned on automatically, which is really good if you're busy for long periods of time WITHOUT phone (periods when the phone's packed in the backpack, e. g. while snowshoeing for a long distance). Prevented battery loss. Now with Oreo I wouldn't even notice a battery-at-15% warning when the phone's in the backpack (or dangling in a waterproof bag on my chest just under my jacket). So I'd miss the opportunity to switch it to battery saver manually, and then hours later it'll be empty. Whereas exactly this could be prevented with the automatic battery saver at 15%... That's the snag, you see.
Well, now I have to ALWAYS switch it to battery saver mode in such a situation, preventive. And I've noticed that I can exempt apps from running restrictions in battery saver mode, e. g. the GPS service for the offline map app I use outdoors. That's quite snug, have to say. So I might have an enhanced battery saving option here indeed. But still I miss the orange bars at 15% battery and less. I'd like them back. I liked the feature.
No, LG is good. I like the V20, really a nice phone. Hope they will offer future models with exchangeable batteries again, because that's a feature I need to, especially outdoors when hiking far from civilization for days or even weeks. But it's quite handy to have that 10'500mAh battery in the city, too. Internet radio a gogo, 600+ apps installed and running, and still enough juice in the evening to run a guided meditation without the phone shutting down during the session. Yay!
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