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Edit 30 dec 2010:
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GPS suc*s when tested in high roads density urban areas
Hi,
I see many debate here about Galaxy S issues, mainly lag and GPS.
I was scared when got one, but finally, becoming a fan boy too:
In answer to this topic:
DSF said:
1) Test Google search (press and hold option button in home). Press a leter, for eg N. Now you have to wait seconds. Just web, apps are in searchable items. Without web suggestions
2) Swype
3) Manage apps
4) List processes
5) Apps shortcut
6) TouchWiz app drawer
7) Browser (still on JP6 ATM)
And so many issues.
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So I tested in my SGS, recently bought (3 weeks):
GPS driving on road behaves like my Sirf III module (but under Navigon, google maps not tested)
Google search is fine (lag less than 1sec)
Swype: really smooth
Manage apps: small lag, max 1 sec or less
Apps shortcut: first time just 1-2 sec, than instant
App drawer is fine, lag is really minimal to abscent, far less than 1 sec when it is there
Browser: no issues
It came with JM7 bundled, never updated firmware as I don't see the need. Bought it in october, just after an out of stock long period
I'm really thinking there are some hardware issues solved recently. My SGS seems to behave like the one from "fanboy"
I'm not going to become a fanboy, just maybe helping with my case. If it is really hardware dependent issues, a mass RMA would help samsung to admit the problems (that they look like have solved in newer devices?). After all, Apple, with their small antenna bug was finally more fair than Samsung.
I really open this topic to give a positive feedback. I also wonder why I have a "perfect" SGS, while many have a bad one? If it is not hardware, what can it be?
Maybe people that get new units, bundled stock with a new firmware (mine was JM7), should give a feedback here.
If it is hardware, why not RMA and put pressure on Samsung
jonny_ftm said:
Hi,
I see many debate here about Galaxy S issues, mainly lag and GPS.
I was scared when got one, but finally, becoming a fan boy too:
In answer to this topic:
So I tested in my SGS, recently bought (3 weeks):
GPS driving on road behaves like my Sirf III module (but under Navigon, google maps not tested)
Google search is fine (lag less than 1sec)
Swype: really smooth
Manage apps: small lag, max 1 sec or less
Apps shortcut: first time just 1-2 sec, than instant
App drawer is fine, lag is really minimal to abscent, far less than 1 sec when it is there
Browser: no issues
It came with JM7 bundled, never updated firmware as I don't see the need. Bought it in october, just after an out of stock long period
I'm really thinking there are some hardware issues solved recently. My SGS seems to behave like the one from "fanboy"
I'm not going to become a fanboy, just maybe helping with my case. If it is really hardware dependent issues, a mass RMA would help samsung to admit the problems (that they look like have solved in newer devices?). After all, Apple, with their small antenna bug was finally more fair than Samsung.
I really open this topic to give a positive feedback. I also wonder why I have a "perfect" SGS, while many have a bad one? If it is not hardware, what can it be?
Maybe people that get new units, bundled stock with a new firmware (mine was JM7), should give a feedback here.
If it is hardware, why not RMA and put pressure on Samsung
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Many people still have release-day SGS's and they work just as good as yours; some people have the problem and some just do not. Was there a hardware update? We don't know and if there was, why would Samsung not announce something and try to put themselves in a terrible position?
We just don't know. I have a release-day SGS myself and the only problem I've had was the button's delaying (which is quite annoying) and "the Black Screen of Death" a few times (which was fixed by not putting on a hard-case from Bell).
hol17 said:
Many people still have release-day SGS's and they work just as good as yours; some people have the problem and some just do not. Was there a hardware update? We don't know and if there was, why would Samsung not announce something and try to put themselves in a terrible position?
We just don't know. I have a release-day SGS myself and the only problem I've had was the button's delaying (which is quite annoying) and "the Black Screen of Death" a few times (which was fixed by not putting on a hard-case from Bell).
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Hi. Just a couple of questions for you if you dont mind.
1.) When you say "Black Screen of Death, do you mean the weird Coma/Crash syndrome? Mine from Bell as well just started doing this about 60 days into owning it and it has happened a total of 3 times in the last 5 days or so.
2.) What do you mean it was SOLVED by not putting on a Hard Case from Bell? I have one from Bell (looks like leather on the back) and you now have me wondering. I have had the case almost since day one though and my phone just started the Coma/Crash as mentioned above about 60 days after owning it. Please advise...
3.) A bit off topic but I see you are rooted on JH2. Can you please tell me how you rooted the device? I have tried the update.zip files I have found before but none of them ever work for me. Do you need to be sim unlocked for the root to work? Please advise...
Thank You...
@yiannisthegreek
1.) When you say "Black Screen of Death, do you mean the weird Coma/Crash syndrome? Mine from Bell as well just started doing this about 60 days into owning it and it has happened a total of 3 times in the last 5 days or so.
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Yes; try to wake the phone and I just can not, no matter what I do and thats when...
SEGWAY
2.) What do you mean it was SOLVED by not putting on a Hard Case from Bell? I have one from Bell (looks like leather on the back) and you now have me wondering. I have had the case almost since day one though and my phone just started the Coma/Crash as mentioned above about 60 days after owning it. Please advise...
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I'll break it down for you; my problem with the BSOD started to happen after I attached my cases I bought from Bell (the semi-clear hard grey case and the fake crocodile skin case). The cases felt VERY snug to my phone, almost 'death-gripped' (which meant the cases were difficult to take off, almost 'ripping-the-backplate-off' difficult) and I could feel heat through the case. After taking them off, I have never had the BSOD since, although my phone feels a bit naked. I had also UNROOTED my phone but the BSOD happened a few days later (with the case on).
3.) A bit off topic but I see you are rooted on JH2. Can you please tell me how you rooted the device? I have tried the update.zip files I have found before but none of them ever work for me. Do you need to be sim unlocked for the root to work? Please advise...
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This is the post where I got my update.zip:
Code:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7536130&postcount=11
The steps were guide-lined here:
Originally Posted by AllGamer
Step 1. root your phone
Bell's I9000M is slightly different than the regular I9000
most of the root methods mentioned on other topics will not work.
Even the 3 button recovery mode has been disabled
After some experimentation this is the working method
download the update.zip from this topic (Thanks to jentech)
http://ip208-100-42-21.static.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7536130&postcount=11
then you need to run adb devices to make sure your phone is listed
(ADB is part of Android SDK, download it from the source http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html )
if you get something like
Code:
adb.exe devices
List of devices attached
900098c722a9 device
(if you run adb.exe devices and comes back with an empty list, then make sure you have set the phone into debugging mode Application > Settings > Development > USB Debugging)
then you are can execute
adb.exe reboot recovery
this will take you to the recovery screen
now if your device works with the Power + Volume Up + Home button, then you can skip that, however in my case the 3 button mode didn't work
select the update.zip with the volumen up down button, then hit home screen, it should say installing in yellow, then you are done, it reboots back to normal, and now you can install Busy Box
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Hope that helps
I got mine also after the "outstock" period.
Got 2, first one had weird issue, rebooted for no reason and, in the end, USb would work and, everytime I pluged it in (PC or recharge) it would reboot in a loop :S
All of this in the first week
Got it exchange and since then, no reboot, no connection issue, no "lag" and GPS is more than decent (I use it to track jogging and it's right on the spot)
Manif. date of this one is 10.09.21 (specific date on the battery, on the device itself it's 10.09, no day)
I do wonder the same thing as you do, might be a good idea to note the manif. date and if user has issue or not...It might give help to some of us with unreliable SGS get it exchanged!
If the manufacturing date gives different hardware, I would definitely send it back again to get a latest one. My replacement didn't solve the GPS issue...will talk to orange uk again tomorrow...
I agree with thread creator. My SGS works fine right at the beginning (except the lag). I see a date on the battery which is 2010.08.03.
I also think it may be hardware-related issues.
Car navigation software such as Navigon accepts an enormous range of errors though. But the errors are exposed when using GPS for fitness purposes (because if the tracks swing wildly side to side then you do the 10km jog in 7km).
I think it might be hardware these days, but waiting for froyo official to see. After that I'll return my phone as many times as necessary
apart from the gps inaccuracy, there's nothing to complain about! the sgs is simply brilliant however, i'd be happy if they put in more ram on the device :|
the gps update frequency is bad, and sometimes is terribly inaccurate
Has anyone tested, one of these phones, with a bluetooth sirf 3 gps?
I would assume, to a certain extent, that it would help prove, if it is a hardware fault or not.
Are there other factors involved, however?
@jonny_ftm just try a Froyo build. I was pretty happy with Eclair in terms of performance (of course some issues where there too, but not that many).. but froyo has some nice additions (eg: input cursor, copy text from browser, flash support, etc) but it sucks in terms of performance. Even the latest builds (JPO, JPA) seems to suck as some realistic people report.
I have ~ 150 apps in app drawer
I will check the date of manufacture of my phone later and report back.
It could be a good idea to start with this to see if there's really a trend to better hardware with later manufacturing dates.
Sadely, it is not that simple. If in mobile phone industry it works just like in PC electronics, even manufacture date of phone won't help. I explain: intel chipsets on motherboards were often "buggy" in some extent on first production. Later, they enhance the product and produce new build versions of chipset correcting hardware issues. Now, it's upon to motherboard manufacture to use the last chipset build or not. Most time, motherboard manufacture will use old chipset stocks before moving to new one.
So, if we want to know this for sure, only SN and build dates on chipsets inside the phone will be the ultimate proof. Sadely, unlike in PC world, less people open their phones to check components unless they break the screen...
Anyhow, phone manufacturing date can help as early dates would have necessarly early components. Later built phones could or not have the last chipset though.
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@jonny_ftm just try a Froyo build. I was pretty happy with Eclair in terms of performance (of course some issues where there too, but not that many).. but froyo has some nice additions (eg: input cursor, copy text from browser, flash support, etc) but it sucks in terms of performance. Even the latest builds (JPO, JPA) seems to suck as some realistic people report.
I have ~ 150 apps in app drawer
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- I won't try Froyo. Until it is final, we can't say Samsung s**ks, it is just beta testing. My phone works great with original JM7 it came with, I don't need Beta Froyo features if they make the phone unusable. Now, I understand people that need these features getting frustrated. Hopefully, it is not my case, so can't help here
- I only have around 30 applications, I think I won't have more than 50-60 include stock apps. Even a PC with quadcore CPU, 16 Gigs of extreme fast RAM, RAID setup and tons of applications/processes installed will slow down. I don't expect a tiny smartphone to do a better job there. The only OS that was rock stable despite tons of applications is Palm OS, now dead :-(
Mine had 16 6 10 on the battery and I experience the gps issue.
Sent from my GT-I9000 using XDA App
Latest phone aren't struggling with lag out of the box anymore.
householddog said:
Has anyone tested, one of these phones, with a bluetooth sirf 3 gps?
I would assume, to a certain extent, that it would help prove, if it is a hardware fault or not.
Are there other factors involved, however?
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I tried using my external holux bt gps (which really kicks ass)....but to my surprise i figured android doesn't support external bt gps devices natively! so, google maps or navigation does not bother picking up gps info from the external device. android still has no support....bottom line so we're pretty much stuck with what our sgs can do! sucks i know!
Actually, from what I was led to beleive from the test in the accesories, BT GPS seems to work with everything:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=818688&highlight=GPS
See post #10
nope....even in post#10 he mentions that "in theory"! it just wouldnt work and i did a serious amount of research only to realize android doesnt support external bt based gps devices. however, i havent tried in froyo....will do it tomorrow and post if i have any luck!
All working fine here - manufacturing date 25/08/2010
Very interesting, the date manufacture theory I stated seems not that wrong from the few feedback in this thread. If we have more feedback, it will become evident, for those doubting it, that Samsung is just making fun of his customers. They don't intend to admit any defect and won't recall phones unless forced by a massive customers action.
I'm happy I got mine only in October. When I receive my microSD card, I'll open it and add my contribution with manufacturing date for my working out of the box phone.
All this means it is very bad news for people with very laggy, battery consuming and bad GPS phones
dreamtheater39 said:
nope....even in post#10 he mentions that "in theory"! it just wouldnt work and i did a serious amount of research only to realize android doesnt support external bt based gps devices. however, i havent tried in froyo....will do it tomorrow and post if i have any luck!
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Just install Bluetooth GPS Provider. It's simple.
Hey there guys, i will be receiving my new HD2 soon in the mail sometime next week and i have a few questions which i hope you guys don't mind answering. My first question how well does it run on the device? Compared to android which runs amazingly with no hitches just as a normal android device would. Are there a lot of bugs present? Could i just install WP7 on it and use that instead of android without there being show stopping bugs present? and lastly how is the battery life on WP7 compared to the android roms?
Many thanks.
Oh this is a big question, im not going to go in to detail now so if you have any further questions than ask away, but for now here is the no BS low down
Does it work, yes, very very well, its quicker than any OS i have ever used, including native iphones, android and even WP7.
Notable bugs include the marketplace freeze, some times the marketplace just packs in and you have to do a reboot to get it working again, i believe thats true to all WP7 devices tho
next, sometimes, very very rarely for me, the touch screen seems to stop, usually a swipe in the opersite direction then try again gets it working in moments
The camera has an issue with focusing, because we dont have a two stage button we cant focus to well, the flash for the camera is slightly out of sync meaning any photo in sub optimal light that uses the flash would result in a photo with a green tint to it. There is an alternative camera app already that is great, it has focus but the flash issue remains.
The battery life isnt too great, this seems mostly due to the differences in the battery controller, WP7 may or may not report the correct battery level, it may appear to drop very fast but that is usually because you didnt charge it fully in the first place, some times you have to restart the phone and charge again to fill it up.
and now the big one that im not going to go in to great detail on
SD cards
this is the single biggest course of almost all issues with the phone, if you have a dodgy card you will get wifi issues, restart issues, lagging issues etc
there is no list of compatible cards, no two cards are alike even within the same model, statistically you have a better chance with a class 2 or 4 card, but thats not to say you will have problems will all class 10 cards
I used to use android and there isnt any chance of me moving back, yes you cant mod the hell out of this but since i got itm, ive not wanted to, it just works and it works very well
i agree 100 %
but i have no trouble in the marketplace - i have downloaded manny games an other apps. with my old sd-card i have a very slow installation but now all is ok.
WP7 works on the HD2 as well as on any native device. I can tell that because I had also a Mozart for 2 weeks and could do a head to head. All the bugs present (Marketplace crashing from time to time) are also present on the native device, so they are not HD2 related in any way.
Battery life is OK for me. With some tweaks I can get a full they of moderate to heavy usage (3G on, 2 e-mail [email protected] min. sync, 1 hr IE surfing, 30 min. gaming and 30 min calls).
To be honest I boot Android lately only to show off to some pathetic DesireHD owners
I agree with all the replies so far. And dazza is completely correct about the SD cards... most issues people are having is because of using a sd card that doesn't play nice with wp7. I haven't had any issues with marketplace, and have had great luck using sandisk class 2 and 4 cards. Every other brand of card I've tried, including kingston, was terrible with wp7.
The main difference between the hd2 and native wp7 phones is that the hd2 only has 56,000 colors while native phones have around 4million colors, and you only get 2-point multitouch with HD2, and it can be kinda buggy, while native wp7 devices all have at least 4 point multitouch... so certain apps that use multitouch may not work properly or at all with the HD2.
Multitouch is the only problem
I have found that on my hd2 that wp7 worked a lot smoother than the native rom. I am very pleased with this OS. It has convinced me to buy one in the near future. which will be in a couple of months
mine works 100% perfect except multi-touch sometimes doesn't work too well. Battery life is good, marketplace never freezes, I have had zero issues with my SD card, speed and fluidity are good.
All the other issues seem to be WP7 and not HD2 related. i would much rather have this over a "real" wp7 device because at least I can boot into Android whenever I want.
I had my first taste of WP7 today, it was really just a taste test to help me decide what to upgrade to when my upgrade is due, I was impressed enough to make my decision.... (Omnia7 in case you were wondering)
I was only running it for about and hour and a half but everything seemed flawless, the activation code I got from MS worked fine and I was up and running in minutes. The only disappointing thing was that although I imported my contacts from my Gmail account no numbers came through. Everyone was there but they had no numbers
The UI was super smooth and the keyboard was far and away the best I have used yet..........
The phone did seem to be getting pretty hot while using it though.
Also the lack of a traditional "taskbar" was quite annoying, I like to see a battery meter at all times.
Overall very impressed though.
Wow thanks for the descriptive replies guys, so it appears to run very stable, I suppose. I'll just give the wp7 a shot first right off the bat instead of android!
unleashed12 said:
Wow thanks for the descriptive replies guys, so it appears to run very stable, I suppose. I'll just give the wp7 a shot first right off the bat instead of android!
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Haha... to make a short statement... and "abusing" your nickname, one could say HD2 feels kind of "unleashed" with WP7.
Enjoy it
tictac0566 said:
Haha... to make a short statement... and "abusing" your nickname, one could say HD2 feels kind of "unleashed" with WP7.
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i 100% agree with the statement Unleashed with WP7..
and i do agree with the SD card problems.infact,make sure what ever sd card you have,to be a class 4 sandisk on your HD2.as it's the most stable on hd2 with os wp7.
Enjoy!!!and Read as much as you can for your HD2 on XDA mate..
I will also buy a "original" WP7 device.
Do anyone of you know when Dual core smartphones will come out?
I don't want to buy an "old" 1Ghz model, I heared Nvidia has brought Tegra 2 and even 3 is there now which has Quad Core.
Any news about that?
As of now I haven't seen any WP7 phone utilize the tegra processor or any other dual core processor available. There are however many android phones which are using dual cores coming soon. the tegra 3 is still in development if im not mistaken.
orangekid said:
mine works 100% perfect except multi-touch sometimes doesn't work too well. Battery life is good, marketplace never freezes, I have had zero issues with my SD card, speed and fluidity are good.
All the other issues seem to be WP7 and not HD2 related. i would much rather have this over a "real" wp7 device because at least I can boot into Android whenever I want.
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What's your setup? I'm assuming you have a TMO US phone? Radio, ROM? I'm about to flash and it would be a great help.
I agree with all the reply's here too! I bought my Hd2 after a long line of HTC phones purely so that i could use custom ROM's and take the p**s out of anyone with an iphone. My phone using WM6.5 was "my PC in my pocket". It did everything! I was a bit dubious about installing WP7 on it because its like going from XP to Windows 7. You get used to what your used to. I do use things such as the flashlight and voice recorder and i didn't want not to have those things that i use so much.
After i installed WP7 i loved the way it looked, animations are beautiful, its so smooth. Im also glad to say all the apps that i used on WM6.5 are available from the marketplace. I dont think i could go back to WM6.5 now. It seems too clunky compared to WP7.
I do have the same issues as everyone else with the dodgy camera, its not bad in daylight though, and i love the 720P camcorder. Battery life has been an issue but ive done the registry tweaks that have been talked about on the forums and im getting good results at the mo. Very close to WM6.5 in fact. WIFI and SD cards have not been a problem, mind you i am using a 16GB Sandisk.
When you do install WP7 on your HD2 just make sure that you get an activation code from Microsoft first thing! It makes the whole "WP7 experience" MUCH better!!
I think i truly have been turned into a Windows phone 7 fan. I just cant wait to see what ROM's and apps some of the chefs on here can cook up in the next few month's!!
ive been using it for about 2 months and it worked really well. i had the issues that everyone else had experienced with the marketplace, but this didnt happen that often. only thing you need to check is your SD card. there are a few threads about which SD cards work, but these are all unofficial. i have a topram (rebadged sandisk) 16gb SDHC class 4 and that works ok, but its not great (but it was £12.99!!)
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ive been using it for about 2 months and it worked really well. i had the issues that everyone else had experienced with the marketplace, but this didnt happen that often. only thing you need to check is your SD card. there are a few threads about which SD cards work, but these are all unofficial. i have a topram (rebadged sandisk) 16gb SDHC class 4 and that works ok, but its not great (but it was £12.99!!)
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Why do you call topram a rebadged sandisk?
well enough for some bugger to sell 15 guides and the DWI.exe on eBay
HERE
jigners said:
well enough for some bugger to sell 15 guides and the DWI.exe on eBay
HERE
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That's nothing... there was another guy that sold almost 500(last I checked) at $25 each.... he made over $10,000 in less than a week!!!
I ordered my DVP from Clove on Thursday and it arrived on Friday - I decided to go with them rather than Dell directly given the various communication issues people have had with Dell.
My DVP is 8GB - I'm assuming there is only one version of the phone for the UK market, I haven't seen any option to buy a 16GB version. So far, everything has worked smoothly - it came loaded with firmware .7350 if I remember correctly, I then got the prompt to upgrade to NoDo pretty soon after - that was done very quickly, nothing like the 23 minutes that Microsoft suggested.
All in all, I'm happy - no crashing whatsoever, interface is very smooth and quick, etc. My only complaint so far is the lack of custom ringtones - this should've been addressed in NoDo and its pretty obvious that Microsoft has held back on this to try and make money - the only simple alternative is to get ringtones from the Marketplace which Microsoft of course makes a commission on. Oh yeah, my other bugbear is the battery life - it's pretty horrendous, I'd say I struggle to get a day out of it! Is that normal?
These small things aside, I'm pretty happy with the DVP at the mo.... any other UK owners having a similar problem-free usage?
I am an Omnia 7 owner but I've been thinking about switching. Just a couple of points:
- Dell is selling the 16GB as far as I know, someone else can confirm that.
- Battery is something that improves overtime, you need to go through a few charging cycles. During the first days I would suggest letting the battery die before charging the phone rather than straight when you hit low power.
Can you comment on the issues the US phones are having (Wifi connection, poor camera, etc.). And also, is the SD card slot still accessible?
Cheers
Peew971 said:
I am an Omnia 7 owner but I've been thinking about switching. Just a couple of points:
- Dell is selling the 16GB as far as I know, someone else can confirm that.
- Battery is something that improves overtime, you need to go through a few charging cycles. During the first days I would suggest letting the battery die before charging the phone rather than straight when you hit low power.
Can you comment on the issues the US phones are having (Wifi connection, poor camera, etc.). And also, is the SD card slot still accessible?
Cheers
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I have the 16gb model (uk) which is the model dell sells directly. if you buy throgh a third party you can only get the 8gb model at the moment.
can good in light but poor in the dark (bluring)
the sd card has the black tape over it and the manual says not to remove it.
i only get crashes/hangs when downloading large files from the marketplace and when trying to download a video through the youtube apps.
I can't believe after all this time they're still producing the phone with the same camera issue. What have they been doing with all the feedback?! I know they have an upcoming update but it should have been one to fix the firsts phones with the new ones being flawless. Dell needs a good kick.
Sent from my Omnia 7 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
I can second the comments re the camera, it isn't particularly good in the dark.
I didn't realise that Dell was selling the 16gb model - and its only £20 more than what I paid for the 8gb. That said, if the difference is hangs and crashes I'm not sure if its worth it. Ganondolf, could you give me an example of what apps (or large files) you were downloading - I'd like to test and see if I have the same crashing. If I don't then I'll probably stick with the 8gb.
pibrahim said:
I can second the comments re the camera, it isn't particularly good in the dark.
I didn't realise that Dell was selling the 16gb model - and its only £20 more than what I paid for the 8gb. That said, if the difference is hangs and crashes I'm not sure if its worth it. Ganondolf, could you give me an example of what apps (or large files) you were downloading - I'd like to test and see if I have the same crashing. If I don't then I'll probably stick with the 8gb.
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if happens alot when i download big apps live xbox live games 30 - 80mb in size. crashes/hangs abot 70% of the time. I have noticed if i leave it on the download status screen till it downloads and installs it crashes less.
small apps up to 10mb dont usually have a problem.
I also get it within the youtube apps as they have large files.
I am about 99% sure that it is the micro sd card as when download big files and i go to my apps list it sometimes does not show the app icon and only a dot like temp icon and sometimes apps wont load whilst downloading.
Also if download has a problem it buggers the wifi and needs to tuen the machine off and back on to fix. of note it does not need a battery pull to turn it off, holding down the power button for a long period (10 secs) turns it off.
I think it was a good thing you got the 8gb as i may need to swap the sd card meaning i will buy a 32gb card so it would not have been any different if i upgraded from a 8gb.
PS. I sent a msg to linoel at dell on twitter and he thinks i have the newest firmware and there will not be a new one released for the uk.
apart from that the dvp runs perfect so if a sd card swap will fix the problem i will do it in the near future.
So the newest firmware still has a rubbish camera. It's sorted then, I'll keep my Omnia 7 for now and see what comes at the end of the year.
hi guys im new to the dvp forum.
i have a dell venue that i bought online from a guy in USA which is unlocked. when i got the phone i noticed that the black sticker wasnt there so im guessing the guy attempted to swap the sd card....the phone works fine tho.
the problem i have is that it wont restart!! when i go to about >> reset your phone.. nothing happens. is there anyway to fix this?? i hope someone can help as i cannon download any apps from the market place and assign my facebook =(
thanks
There is no carrier to the UK DVP phone is it? That makes future update quicker. And I hope it has 512mb ram. Guess the US one did has 256mb ram, games crashes constantly on the US device, which seems not happen often on others.
The US one has 512MB RAM.
I don't want to start the discussion again. I believe it has 512 but currently only 256 is recongnised by the system, when the software uses above 90m ram it will crash by itself, ie some games. This doesn't happen to the htc mozart but happens to DVP. If you believe now it has 512 and its fully used then believe it, since it doesn't affect your usage.
In response to the 256 v 512 discussion - I certainly saw all of that discussion with the US DVPs. My UK DVP shows 480mb free and so is presumably recognising all 512mb RAM. Somebody else mentioned that the UK DVPs already have the new upcoming firmware preloaded - so maybe that's addressed the problem.
My battery life has also improved greatly - not sure whether it's because of going through some powering cycles or because I disabled both checking for updates and giving feedback, but its lasting a lot longer than before now.
I also have the 8g UK DVP model through expansys, mine also reads about 480m free so im assuming it has the 512ram. as well...
As for problems ive had none,
NO crashes,
No freezes and NO resets yet....
All in all im loving the DVP and the battery is good better than my HTC Desire that i have left behind without a second thought!!!!
I got my phone from Expansys and it is freezing constantly when using WiFi and downloading apps. Indeed 480 MB of RAM is reported.
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I got my phone from Expansys and it is freezing constantly when using WiFi and downloading apps. Indeed 480 MB of RAM is reported.
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Did you change the SD or you use the one comes with? I'm thinking to call expansys for exchange...
I have lots of freezes and hangs on my UK 16gb model (from dell.co.uk) when using wifi.
I changed the sd card to a sandisk 32gb class 4 (I here the class 2 version is best for dvp) and have not had a hang or freeze using wifi.
Works flawlessly know.
Ganondolf said:
I have lots of freezes and hangs on my UK 16gb model (from dell.co.uk) when using wifi.
I changed the sd card to a sandisk 32gb class 4 (I here the class 2 version is best for dvp) and have not had a hang or freeze using wifi.
Works flawlessly know.
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Question on your WiFi hangs.....I've been looking at WiFi issue. During the course of a day I may pass through and use, many different WiFi AP's. At home I made a modification of my AP and now the reception on my Dell is far better.
I'm wondering if the hardware in hte Dell is simply inferior....in a way that it works best with specific settings....as opposed to alot of devices that work fairly well regardless of the AP settings.
I've noticed the closer I get to a pure N setting, the better my device runs. The amount and length of feezes and hangs decrease as I approach that complete N mode.
People who experience the hangs and freezes at home. What are your AP settings?
Dont think it has anything to do with AP settings, my phone will crash without connecting to any wifi signal, just with wifi enabled.
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Question on your WiFi hangs.....I've been looking at WiFi issue. During the course of a day I may pass through and use, many different WiFi AP's. At home I made a modification of my AP and now the reception on my Dell is far better.
I'm wondering if the hardware in hte Dell is simply inferior....in a way that it works best with specific settings....as opposed to alot of devices that work fairly well regardless of the AP settings.
I've noticed the closer I get to a pure N setting, the better my device runs. The amount and length of feezes and hangs decrease as I approach that complete N mode.
People who experience the hangs and freezes at home. What are your AP settings?
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Im using wifi g at home and work and it works with no problems. the only thing i would say the dvp wifi reciever does not go as far from the router before disconnecting than my brothers iphone 4 and my old xperia x1.
have not tried connecting it to wifi n but have not had any problems on wifi g.
What do you mean by "AP settings". are u talking about the phone or the router?
I've ordered a 32gb class4 sansicc from amazon.co.uk but it seems to be a fake one... It freezes the device even more than the original SD card. 3 months ago I had one from the same seller and it was ok, now still in my US DVP and works perfect. The 2 sds do look different. BE CAREFUL when you buy the sd card. Just too many fakes...
Hey all,
Firstly, if this thread is in the wrong place, then by all means move it. There are specific threads for Android and Wp7 questions, however this does not have to do with either of them specifically.
Anyways, I'm thinking of getting the HD2; I know it's an ageing phone but it seems to do the impossible
My reasons are
1) I'm looking for a phone to tie me over until I can afford a more "Upgrade-y" kind of upgrade, specs wise it is a downgrade from my current phone.
2) I love tinkering with phones and using the latest builds of whatever this baby runs. Unfortunately I'm no dev but maybe I'll get to it some day. Anyways, this will be more or less a toy for me, and perhaps even an educational tool.
3) I've gone through a lot of phones and I tend to get somewhat bored with them, which is why I cycle through them pretty often. The amazing HD2 runs so many things I doubt I'm going to get bored.
Anyways, I would like some user opinions on the usability of this phone. I realize that using the latest Jelly Bean build or whatnot will probably be slow and sluggish, and that's usually fine (as long as it's not slow to the point where it's unusable) but at times I will need stable roms. I'd like to know how performance is on the most stable of roms. I don't use it for games much, only texting and light web browsing, so for these simple tasks I'd expect them to be buttery smooth, but is that how it works in reality? let me know.
Also, aside from the great things I hear about the HD2, I've also heard of a freezing issue that pretty much renders the phone unusable without a hard reboot, and I hear it is due to the CPU overheating. I'm not sure if this is such a common issue but please let me know.
Finally, how does this perform with day to day functions? Screen legibility, speaker volume, responsiveness, battery life, etc...
Thanks a ton!
-Dillon
I had no problems using the HD2 until the digitizer died on me (common issue).. Screen legibility is great on such a huge screen, speaker volume is good, responsiveness is good, and battery life is decent. I could get through an entire day with some calls, some games, some texting and still have ~40% left. The performance is great on most roms I have tried. All AOSP/CM/etc ICS, GB, and Froyo are all very smooth. Even the sense roms ported over from newer devices are butter smooth. There are so many choices, you can practically flash a new rom every week and won't be bored by the end of the year.
Hey, thanks for the reply.
Do you know what the digitizer problem is caused by? Perhaps I can prevent it. But if I can't, would buying a new digitizer fix the problem?
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No problem, the digitizer problem is caused by the digitizer flex ribbon physically wearing out over time. It only occurs because the "end call/power" button is directly on top of that flex ribbon.. You can avoid this by not using the power button at all and use an app that emulates that button to turn off your phone. Buying a new digitizer will fix the problem, but if you have never opened the HD2 before, best to pay a professional to do it since it is a pain in the arse to disassemble and assemble..
Been using an HD2 for a good while and basically I would have to think very caerfully before upgrading. It does everything I need and does most things very well indeed. If you can find one at a good s/h price I'd say go for it.
Advantages:
Good screen for Internet browsing,etc.
Gorilla glass so reasonably damage-resistant.
One of the best phone cameras I've used, can be tweaked even further, see hacks.
GPS and magnetic compass.
Plays music even when in standby.
NOT WM7 so you don't have to encrypt the microSD card.
Stable. Runs for weeks without crashing.
Disadvantages:
A bit large. (I keep mine in a shirt pocket, which I find works well.)
Needs charging daily if you use it a lot. (Spare batts are cheap though)
Limited RAM, therefore don't open too many apps at once.
OS WM6.5, less easy to use than Android, though plenty free apps available.
Major annoyance:
Random dialling when on phone screen, due to static or a shirtsleeve-touch. Wish I could find a way to remove that speed-dial background list which seems to be the culprit. Basically, NEVER leave the thing on the phone screen unless you are in a call.
Minor annoyance:
Badly placed volume keys. Hard to pick up without accidentally changing volume.
Not all headphones are suitable for music use. Some give very inadequate volume.
IWR said:
Been using an HD2 for a good while and basically I would have to think very caerfully before upgrading. It does everything I need and does most things very well indeed. If you can find one at a good s/h price I'd say go for it.
Advantages:
Good screen for Internet browsing,etc.
Gorilla glass so reasonably damage-resistant.
One of the best phone cameras I've used, can be tweaked even further, see hacks.
GPS and magnetic compass.
Plays music even when in standby.
NOT WM7 so you don't have to encrypt the microSD card.
Stable. Runs for weeks without crashing.
Disadvantages:
A bit large. (I keep mine in a shirt pocket, which I find works well.)
Needs charging daily if you use it a lot. (Spare batts are cheap though)
Limited RAM, therefore don't open too many apps at once.
OS WM6.5, less easy to use than Android, though plenty free apps available.
Major annoyance:
Random dialling when on phone screen, due to static or a shirtsleeve-touch. Wish I could find a way to remove that speed-dial background list which seems to be the culprit. Basically, NEVER leave the thing on the phone screen unless you are in a call.
Minor annoyance:
Badly placed volume keys. Hard to pick up without accidentally changing volume.
Not all headphones are suitable for music use. Some give very inadequate volume.
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Thanks for the informative response. Did you happen to have the digitizer issue that Jian had, or the overheating issue?
When you said that some headphones were unsuitable for music, was it specifically headphones with a Mic or Volume control on them? Trying to use a pair of Monster Jamz (which had volume/playback control for iPod/iPhone) didn't really give me a "full" sound without pressing on the play/pause button.
Also, all of these things were on WinMo 6.5, correct? Have you tried a WP7 or Android rom?
Had my phone since release date.yep your right, the phone is a Beast!
I cannot recall how many roms, builds, os's whatever you want to call em i have installed in the past year fews and everytime i love my phone even more .i think the only time i will get another phone is if the hardware specs outweigh the hd2 that it cannot cope will a new os ie window8 apparently
Listen, There are thousands of reviews on this website but dont read into it that much. Its all about trial and error and how you go about your own business - by all means read the threads too as common faults do occur- but every phone user is different and alot of factors have an impact ie have you got the right radio installed ,have you got the right SD card? Have you formatted the card properly ie task 29 before installing a new rom have you installed the right files etc all these issues people face are repairable but ultimately,so you will have a different experience than others.
The old windows6.5 rom were absolutely great and fun to customize
Android builds that i tried were up to scratch for everyday use , stability wise, battery life fantastic internt browsing email etc great no lag freezing
Windows7 some battery issues with certain roms and overheating i did come across at first , again if you experience this "trial and error" try another rom, im currently using pdamatejam now for 2months no looking back.. For everyday use, stability excellant, battery life over 24hours etc no lag freezing
Im dualbooting so chopping and changing inbetween android and windows 7 a feature many phones cannot offer.i love the hd2
Note..Newly release build/roms will be unstable when first , thats expected but overtime they become more stable as through feedback from this forum the little errors problems are reticfied -i always wait until these problems are eradicated but everyones different as lot ofpeople like to try new releases roms and leave feedback which is what the dev are asking for-
Another note the SD card ..this is a MASSIVE factor imho which causes many people problems ie boot loops freezing crashing.... I have been through 5different sd card from the start of the hd2 when you stop having problems you know you got the right one, but stay away from fakes Period.
Good luck
Thanks a ton guys
I've another question; Should I get the TMOUS phone for it's bigger ROM capacity? If so, how can I even tell if it has more ROM than the regular? All T-Mobile phones are like that?
DillonBladez said:
Thanks a ton guys
I've another question; Should I get the TMOUS phone for it's bigger ROM capacity? If so, how can I even tell if it has more ROM than the regular? All T-Mobile phones are like that?
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Yes all tmous have 1gb internal rom. You can tell a tmous by the red+green send+end keys, and it says T-Mobile beneath the ear piece.(and its fractionally longer) They're slightly easier to brick than regular hd2, but only in one particular way (wrong radio) so as long as you know the danger it needn't be a worry.
As for jellybean, in the days since your first post there are now several jb roms that are shaping up to be as good as any previous versions. I'm running jb with my processor UNDER clocked, and barely a hint of lag anywhere.
Thanks for the insight!
This phone really seems to live up to it's name.
What do you guys think of WP8 on the device? I think I read somewhere that it's using a different kernel or something from WP7, and that it's a pain in the ass to get it to work with new hardware that it wasn't meant for.
i got the hd2 when it came out and i'm still using it today. It's just that good.
Also, I forgot to ask; Is there a notification LED on the HD2? It seems so small that it's not really mentioned anywhere, for any phone, but it's quite useful to me.
DillonBladez said:
Also, I forgot to ask; Is there a notification LED on the HD2? It seems so small that it's not really mentioned anywhere, for any phone, but it's quite useful to me.
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Yes there is. It is on the left side of the speaker and it only has two colors: amber/orange and green.
I personally think the development effort would best be utilised on last of WP7 to make functionality superb & a few innovations to make W8 users envious.
Chasing latest OS's does not always result in real practical usable device.
friend its perefect the phone big variety of roms!
Sorry for not replying for a while,
Does the hd2 encounter some of the force close mishaps caused by lack of ram? Its only got 512mb, and I find my current phone with the same amount of ram to be doing this often. Would the wp7 Roms perform better in the stability aspects?
Thanks a ton,
Dillon.
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I still have an HD2 sitting w/a couple extra cells I'm not using, it's still brand new, it was never used just the box opened. I'm kinda slow answering emails but give me a shout.
I'm running the latest Jelly Bean build without overclocking and I think it runs rather smooth. At times it can pause for just a slit second but this isn't very often.
If your looking for a great phone that can do just about anything (but Sense 4) then this is the phone. Because this phone has a very high developer following it
often has new ROMs being released. This is one of the biggest reasons why I got the phone myself. I came from the HTC Touch Pro 2 so I picked this phone up
back in late 2009 early 2010. There are some great deals for the phone now that its several years old but I really feel this phone is going to last a long time to come.
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I'm running the latest Jelly Bean build without overclocking and I think it runs rather smooth. At times it can pause for just a slit second but this isn't very often.
If your looking for a great phone that can do just about anything (but Sense 4) then this is the phone. Because this phone has a very high developer following it
often has new ROMs being released. This is one of the biggest reasons why I got the phone myself. I came from the HTC Touch Pro 2 so I picked this phone up
back in late 2009 early 2010. There are some great deals for the phone now that its several years old but I really feel this phone is going to last a long time to come.
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I'm looking to use the phone mainly for text messaging, perhaps some facebook and light gaming.
Right now I'm choosing between the HD2 and the S II.
They both seem to have a bit of developer backing (obviously the HD2 has more), but is the S II worth the extra $150ish over the HD2?
Hmm thats hard to say. Both are great phones but personally I like HTC phones a little more. Mainly because I like HTC Sense. Samsung though is my second favorite so you really can't go wrong with either. I really like the Galaxy S II and the screen is a lot better then the HD2 as well as the camera. Some of its other specs are a little better then the HD2 but the big selling point is choice. With the HD2 if you start to get tired of Windows Mobile 6.5 (stock) you can switch to Android. Then if you ever get tired of that you can go to Windows Phone 7.5. I've bought several phones since I bought my HD2 some even that were dual core but I've always seem to end up going back to the HD2 so that should say something. I would check out some videos on youtube about both phones you're looking at to try and get an idea of what you feel you'll like best.
hey there,
I am thinking about enabling full disk encryption on my Z5c.
However, since the device apparently does not support hardware encryption (or at least does not really succeed very much at that), I am curious to which extend the device would be slowed down by the crypto.
Since I don't usually use my device for gaming or extensive video playpack and the like, but mainly for office tasks, I'm not sure if I should care too much about whether the memory can be read at, say, 160 or 120 mb/s.
So, I would be interested in any experiences regarding the "real world" performance reduction.
thanks and cheers!
brokaaa said:
hey there,
I am thinking about enabling full disk encryption on my Z5c.
However, since the device apparently does not support hardware encryption (or at least does not really succeed very much at that), I am curious to which extend the device would be slowed down by the crypto.
Since I don't usually use my device for gaming or extensive video playpack and the like, but mainly for office tasks, I'm not sure if I should care too much about whether the memory can be read at, say, 160 or 120 mb/s.
So, I would be interested in any experiences regarding the "real world" performance reduction.
thanks and cheers!
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Hi,
I've been using full disk encryption with the SD card for about 6 months and i have only noticed a small delay in the camera, I do game often and didn't really notice anything on that front, I didn't ran any benchmarks as i didn't run any before encrypting so nothing to compare. but if you require lemme know ill post some results as well.
Cheers!
hmsdh said:
Hi,
I've been using full disk encryption with the SD card for about 6 months and i have only noticed a small delay in the camera, I do game often and didn't really notice anything on that front, I didn't ran any benchmarks as i didn't run any before encrypting so nothing to compare. but if you require lemme know ill post some results as well.
Cheers!
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hey, thanks for the info.
I'll look for a useful benchmark to run beforehand and, if I find one, post the results here.
However, I might wait until marshmallow is out since I would then have to re-apply the encryption anway (right?)
brokaaa said:
hey, thanks for the info.
I'll look for a useful benchmark to run beforehand and, if I find one, post the results here.
However, I might wait until marshmallow is out since I would then have to re-apply the encryption anway (right?)
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Yeah, I am actually waiting till they release MM to see how that works coz if its going to be a whole new encryption i might need to back up the whole thing which will be an hassle, hope they have a hassle free option, fingers crossed! :fingers-crossed:
I've been using full disk encryption for quite some time now, and I didn't notice a significant slowdown when I enabled it. I ran a storage benchmark the other day, and it looks like I get about 50-60% the storage speed of what those with unencrypted phones do (based on posts here).
But again, I haven't noticed my real-world use getting slower. Games load/run fine, apps run fine, camera works fine, etc.
I'd say it would be noticeable when multitasking, perhaps when updating apps on Store while copying some **** around.
That's true, there will be some situations where things would be slower with FDE than without. My previous phone was a Nexus 5, and this has much faster I/O, even encrypted, than the Nexus had. So maybe it feels fast because of that?
brokaaa said:
hey there,
I am thinking about enabling full disk encryption on my Z5c.
However, since the device apparently does not support hardware encryption (or at least does not really succeed very much at that), I am curious to which extend the device would be slowed down by the crypto.
Since I don't usually use my device for gaming or extensive video playpack and the like, but mainly for office tasks, I'm not sure if I should care too much about whether the memory can be read at, say, 160 or 120 mb/s.
So, I would be interested in any experiences regarding the "real world" performance reduction.
thanks and cheers!
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I enabled it after the MM upgrade. No noticeable change in phone performance.
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I enabled it after the MM upgrade. No noticeable change in phone performance.
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thanks for the info!
sadly, I did not get the OTA update yet :/
Me neither. I used the flash tool.