Slashgear recently ran some benchmark tests that shows whilst in certain scenarios the arc S may be visibly faster, in others it is likely to feel no different to the original.
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They ran the Quadrant benchmark on the Xperia arc S scoring 1542, this is just a 9% increase over our resident stock Xperia arc (with no overclocking).
The Vellamo benchmark proved much different though with Slashgear reporting a score of 998, obliterating our score of 679 i.e. a 47% increase.
It goes to show that current Xperia arc owners have absolutely no need to upgrade (especially as there are ways to overclock the handset yourself), however for newcomers it is likely to be a nice boost and helps to compete against those dual-core devices on the market.
(Source : http://www.slashgear.com/sony-ericsson-xperia-arc-s-benchmarked-08177941 )
But dfntly a must if you want to buy a Xperia arc for the first time, then go for the S.
dyjin said:
Slashgear recently ran some benchmark tests that shows whilst in certain scenarios the arc S may be visibly faster, in others it is likely to feel no different to the original.
They ran the Quadrant benchmark on the Xperia arc S scoring 1542, this is just a 9% increase over our resident stock Xperia arc (with no overclocking). The Vellamo benchmark proved much different though with Slashgear reporting a score of 998, obliterating our score of 679 i.e. a 47% increase. It goes to show that current Xperia arc owners have absolutely no need to upgrade (especially as there are ways to overclock the handset yourself), however for newcomers it is likely to be a nice boost and helps to compete against those dual-core devices on the market.
(Source : http://www.slashgear.com/sony-ericsson-xperia-arc-s-benchmarked-08177941 )
But dfntly a must if you want to buy a Xperia arc for the first time, then go for the S.
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"In terms of pure benchmarks, Quadrant offered up a score of 1179 – putting the Arc mid-league"
Wow, I didn't know the original Arc only scored 1179 in the average Quadrant benchmark and the updated Arc S scores 1542, the stock (1ghz) Xperia Play scores 1585 without overclock, so according to this the stock Play still outperforms even the updated 1.4 Arc S?!? the Play scores 2075 when overclocked to 1.4ghz, strange!?
This is the benchmark results for my Play using Quadrant:
Score - Speed
1585 – 1ghz
1693 – 1.1ghz
1864 – 1.2ghz
1953 – 1.3ghz
2075 – 1.4ghz
2189 – 1.5ghz
2290 – 1.6ghz
2487 – 1.7ghz
My Arc scored 1683 in Quadrant and that stock - just rooted.
With Doom's kernel @ 1.2GHz 1910 or 1923 points.
My Arc is better than the Arc S
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Ya mines benchmarking
1628 on 1
2098 on 1.4
2407 on 1.9
so cant complain .
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mine scored 1976 in quadrant at 1ghz at the first try
stock and rooted, whit out doom's kernel just stock
i'm so happy
How do you guys increase the Arc's benchmark with only 1ghz? On Quadrant, mine is 1327, and it is rooted!
@syverman.. 1976??? How??? Any tips? Mine is also stock and rooted, no doom kernel.
Mine is on doomkernel and fairly lean on apps etc
Run quadrant 3 times in arow last one will be ur phones max usually
Hope that helps
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By the way, I have around 100 apps on my Arc and it scored a better score than the Arc S
But Quadrant doesn't say anything about everyday use.
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Ya just have the essentials installed like to keep ram and phone memory free
Phone runs really smooth plus am oc to 1.4 interactive
No complaints but will be nice when cm7 gets abit further prob see some high scores then
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Hopefully it can be rooted. That's all I need.
the arc s has a front facing camera, right? for me that alone already makes the S much better (assuming itll get some custom firmware and kernels)
Nope no front camera
As far as im aware only diff is 1.4 processor and updated firmware which as I understand is being released on arc next month
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Picture number 5? We'll get new keyboard in new update?
Is there anyone who found white housing to buy?
Two small questions . I have xperia x10 and now i want to buy xperia arc or after little waiting arc s. But a lot of people say it is same as arc except processor.But i found some sites Arc processor same as arc Snapdragon MSM8255 but some of them say arc s processor is Snapdragon MSM8255T which is true? Yes , i read this topic about their differences but still i can't understand exactly what are their differences only T? Stock arc 1.0 ghz but we can improve it up to 1.9 . But stock arc s is 1.4 if we overclock Arc S what do you think what can we see will it be 2.3 or something like that? i mean what should i do just buy arc or wait than buy arc s ?
haha I can't believe they are overclocking the chip and selling it as a new phone lol
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Two small questions . I have xperia x10 and now i want to buy xperia arc or after little waiting arc s. But a lot of people say it is same as arc except processor.But i found some sites Arc processor same as arc Snapdragon MSM8255 but some of them say arc s processor is Snapdragon MSM8255T which is true? Yes , i read this topic about their differences but still i can't understand exactly what are their differences only T? Stock arc 1.0 ghz but we can improve it up to 1.9 . But stock arc s is 1.4 if we overclock Arc S what do you think what can we see will it be 2.3 or something like that? i mean what should i do just buy arc or wait than buy arc s ?
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Yes, its true. The xperia arc S uses MSM8255T processor, its more efficient and i guess they boost it to 1.4Ghz. But then again, the comparison between the two models are exactly the same, just a eye candy 1.4ghz processor they put out.
but i think i'd recommend you to get xperia arc S since you could benefit from the firmware earlier (i think lol) and i can probly see the S could go higher to 2.4Ghz with it's new proccessor when we can install a kernel/root for it obviously.
but really they are the same. you can get Xperia Arc right now if you don't wanna wait for The S, you got nothing to lose so ur good to go either way.
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Yes, its true. The xperia arc S uses MSM8255T processor, its more efficient and i guess they boost it to 1.4Ghz. But then again, the comparison between the two models are exactly the same, just a eye candy 1.4ghz processor they put out.
but i think i'd recommend you to get xperia arc S since you could benefit from the firmware earlier (i think lol) and i can probly see the S could go higher to 2.4Ghz with it's new proccessor when we can install a kernel/root for it obviously.
but really they are the same. you can get Xperia Arc right now if you don't wanna wait for The S, you got nothing to lose so ur good to go either way.
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nope it is the same processor exactly, just more thoroughly tested to ensure it can handle the higher clock speed.
it will only be able to clock up to the same amount.
it is literally just an overclocked version of the same phone
My Xperia Arc only rooted with stock rom. Quadrant score @ 1 GHz = 1910
1st time run benchmark test.
Any tips so i can increase the benchmark point?
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1st time run benchmark test.
Any tips so i can increase the benchmark point?
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For those you who like running benchmarks on your phones over and over trying to raise a few numbers, there is a new version of quadrant available in the market. It adds the HTC EVO 4G 2.2, the Droid X 2.2 and Droid X 2.1 to the graph.
Surprisingly (or maybe not), the Nexus One on 2.2 still reigns supreme. I mean, besides our phones running a lagfix. I would love to see the Vibrant running a LagFix + 2.2.
Thanks for the info
Thanks, I ll check it out
Yeah, neato. Thanks for the heads up.
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Doesn't the g2 have a much higher score than the nexus one 2.2.
Mines running 2.2 lag fix with a score of 2458!!
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You won't see a huge cpu performance boost with Froyo 2.2 on the Hummingbird
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I would love to see the Vibrant running a LagFix + 2.2.
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Since the Hummingbird CPU does not take full advantage of the Dalvik JIT compiler, you will not see the huge gains in CPU performance by switching to 2.2 from 2.1. Meaning the score will not increase by much, just by installing 2.2.
On the other hand, the 1st and 2nd generation Scorpions do take advantage of the new Dalvik JIT compiler in 2.2. That is why you see a huge CPU performance boost between a scorpion phone running 2.1 and one running 2.2...i.e the Nexus One.
The free edition of Quadrant doesn't break down the score for you. To get a real breakdown of your score, such as CPU, I/O, 2D, 3D...you need to get Quadrant Advanced $2.99 or Quadrant Professional 24.99.
Available at Slideme.org.
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Since the Hummingbird CPU does not take full advantage of the Dalvik JIT compiler, you will not see the huge gains in CPU performance by switching to 2.2 from 2.1. Meaning the score will not increase by much, just by installing 2.2.
On the other hand, the 1st and 2nd generation Scorpions do take advantage of the new Dalvik JIT compiler in 2.2. That is why you see a huge CPU performance boost between a scorpion phone running 2.1 and one running 2.2...i.e the Nexus One.
The free edition of Quadrant doesn't break down the score for you. To get a real breakdown of your score, such as CPU, I/O, 2D, 3D...you need to get Quadrant Advanced $2.99 or Quadrant Professional 24.99.
Available at Slideme.org.
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Can you tell me why the hummingbird processor does not take full advantage of the jit compiler.
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Can you tell me why the hummingbird processor does not take full advantage of the jit compiler.
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i second this
G2 has the highest score stock even after the up date
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Nuff said.
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I just ran a test with my G2, and knocked the doors off the Nexus One with a 1657 score stock.
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Nuff said.
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Actually its been proven that the quadrant scores with lag fix is not 100% accurate. It's very far fetched.
Nuff said.
brian_v3ntura said:
Actually its been proven that the quadrant scores with lag fix is not 100% accurate. It's very far fetched.
Nuff said.
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It's been proven that all benchmarks cannot be accurate for a Vibrant, because JIT works differently for Snapdragon/Scorpian.
Nuff said.
Mark271 said:
It's been proven that all benchmarks cannot be accurate for a Vibrant, because JIT works differently for Snapdragon/Scorpian.
Nuff said.
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you're wrong. Not ALL benchmarks are inaccurate for the galaxy s line. All u did was post a screenie of ur quadrant scores with the lag fix. Lag fix actually exploits a bug in quadrant which gives a higher score . You're just acting like a know it all esp when u believe the actual quadrant score is 2k+
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you're wrong. Not ALL benchmarks are inaccurate for the galaxy s line. All u did was post a screenie of ur quadrant scores with the lag fix. Lag fix actually exploits a bug in quadrant which gives a higher score . You're just acting like a know it all esp when u believe the actual quadrant score is 2k+
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I use Voodoo and get 1961, the EXT4 is a lot faster than the RFS, and does not have the stability problems of using EXT2. The Linpack scores posted by the Overclocked G2s are impressive all the same.
More importantly, I can install and open apps as soon as I click them, Voodoo speeds up the user experience quite a bit. So from a usage standpoint, I am pleased, and shall lust after the following:
http://www.dailyfreshnews.info/3187/samsung-galaxy-s2-2-ghz-and-mega-display/
These Quadrant FREE EDITION scores are useless, YOU NEED QUADRANT ADVANCED OR PRO!
The free edition of Quadrant, that many people are downloading is not that useful. Quadrant Free edition gives you 1 total score, that's it, there is absolutely no breakdown of how your score was compiled.
Meaning what? Meaning that most of you bragging about a score of 2500 after applying lagfix is useless.
Hypothetical example:
Lets say your phone scores a 50 on cpu, 50 on gpu, and 2400 on I/O, for a total score of 2500. How would you know your individual component scores? Free edition doesn't tell you.
Now lets say a G2 scored 2200. However, it's individual component scores were 500 cpu, 500 gpu, 1200 I/O...total score is 2200.
So here you are bragging about how fast your G2 is, when in reality your lagfix gave you a huge boost in I/O but your cpu score is 50, compared to a G2 cpu score of 500.
Even though the G2 got a lower TOTAL score by 300, the cpu and gpu are faster ON the G2 in this hypothetical situation, meaning the higher CPU and GPU scores on the G2 would trump any performance gain by your I/O lagfix.
Anyways this was just a hypothetical situation using made up numbers.
However, do you get my point? My point is, YOU NEED ADVANCED edition of Quadrant or Professional. Otherwise your raw total score is meaningless.
Here is a breakdown.
Free edition gives you 1 total score at the end
Advanced and Professional version breakdown your score into the following:
1)CPU
2)Memory
3)I/O
4)2D
5)3D
Advanced costs 2.99, Professional costs 24.99
They are the same, except Professional license terms are different.
Visit this link for differences:
http://www.aurorasoftworks.com/products/quadrant
Visit this link to purchase the Advanced version:
http://slideme.org/applications?text=quadrant
So unless you post your Advanced scores, your raw total score means nothing. having a phone with a cpu score of 5 and a I/O score of 5Billion would still be a pretty slow phone.
Here is an example of what Quadrant Advanced looks like...notice the score breakdown? Now to compare and contrast, look up a few posts, post number 12 by Brian_V3ntura...his image is the free edition. Notice his just gives you 1 lump score, doesn't really tell you if your cpu & gpu are truely faster than other phones or not, or if your score is just inflated because of I/O.
The update didn't include the G2, they should put that in their list.
SamsungVibrant said:
The free edition of Quadrant, that many people are downloading is not that useful. Quadrant Free edition gives you 1 total score, that's it, there is absolutely no breakdown of how your score was compiled.
Meaning what? Meaning that most of you bragging about a score of 2500 after applying lagfix is useless.
Hypothetical example:
Lets say your phone scores a 50 on cpu, 50 on gpu, and 2400 on I/O, for a total score of 2500. How would you know your individual component scores? Free edition doesn't tell you.
Now lets say a G2 scored 2200. However, it's individual component scores were 500 cpu, 500 gpu, 1200 I/O...total score is 2200.
So here you are bragging about how fast your G2 is, when in reality your lagfix gave you a huge boost in I/O but your cpu score is 50, compared to a G2 cpu score of 500.
Even though the G2 got a lower TOTAL score by 300, the cpu and gpu are faster ON the G2 in this hypothetical situation, meaning the higher CPU and GPU scores on the G2 would trump any performance gain by your I/O lagfix.
Anyways this was just a hypothetical situation using made up numbers.
However, do you get my point? My point is, YOU NEED ADVANCED edition of Quadrant or Professional. Otherwise your raw total score is meaningless.
Here is a breakdown.
Free edition gives you 1 total score at the end
Advanced and Professional version breakdown your score into the following:
1)CPU
2)Memory
3)I/O
4)2D
5)3D
Advanced costs 2.99, Professional costs 24.99
They are the same, except Professional license terms are different.
Visit this link for differences:
http://www.aurorasoftworks.com/products/quadrant
Visit this link to purchase the Advanced version:
http://slideme.org/applications?text=quadrant
So unless you post your Advanced scores, your raw total score means nothing. having a phone with a cpu score of 5 and a I/O score of 5Billion would still be a pretty slow phone.
Here is an example of what Quadrant Advanced looks like...notice the score breakdown? Now to compare and contrast, look up a few posts, post number 12 by Brian_V3ntura...his image is the free edition. Notice his just gives you 1 lump score, doesn't really tell you if your cpu & gpu are truely faster than other phones or not, or if your score is just inflated because of I/O.
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lol the image was not mine tho. i just quoted some guy name mark post. but thanks ive been looking for the advance ver. ,but i always forgot to actually look for it.
Everyone needs to realize that these numbers dont mean much when it comes to everyday use. My vibrant doesn't score anything close to the n1 or other phones but I bet you my vibrant is just as smooth if not smoother then that n1. And the screen is the best feature on this phone that almost no other phone screen even come close to. I can't stand to look at my friends droid x.
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First off, I don't want any fanboy reactions from SGS2 users or what kind of other phone. I'm just wondering why we don't have got it?
Today I played with the Arc of my nephew. And what must I say? We updated to the newest firmware before starting.
I must say that our x10 has received a very very very crappy 2.3.3 update. The Arc has ALMOST NO lags. Everything runs smoother then on our x10. They both got 1Ghz processor, how did this happen?
Also battery life is MUCH better. x10 was on lowest brightness, Arc FULL brightness both connected with wifi. X10 had a simcard, and the Arc not. But damn? Our x10 lost so many % battery in constant use while the Arc just lost 1%!!! X10 has even custom rom...
Both phones similair processor, only newer generation on Arc. Both running same clockspeed. How the heck can our x10 then perform much and much worse?
Just a few things I'm wondering, and NO I'm not going to buy a Arc. I got better things to buy
By chance any developer then can fully uncap all FPS to 60 FPS on our x10. Including 3D. I'm not expecting 3D games to run 60FPs but atleast that they will be able to reach the max FPS our GPU can handle if uncapped... The only thing we've got uncapped is 2D graphics, nothing more... And 2D graphics on Arc are still smoother...
Who will be able to make us x10 perform better? Is it kernel related? Arc has newer kernel?
I know thread is a bit messy, but how the heck can a phone with almost similair hardware (just newer generation processor and some new things) perform so much much much better? You can't make me believe that the processor in the Arc is 100% faster... Both same clockspeed just some little improvements for energy and stronger GPU, and the UI has no heavy graphics... Arc = butter smooth in scrolling and all UI related stuff.
I believe SE is capping more then only the FPS?
Did you know that the Are processor higher than X10, RAM is higher than X10 and GPU performance is higher than X10? What are you talking about? Compare a new phone appears almost 2 years later with the first Android phone from SE?
EDIT: I'm scared of this one
Both phones similair processor
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almost similair hardware
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Better processor would also mean better gpu...
It is the processor completely. Try any phone with that gen, its the same reason those phones can overclock to 1.8 ghz comfortably
Hey guys...
My Dell with a 2.4 ghz Pentium IV running win7 runs like crap compared to my Dell with a 2.4 ghz intel core and nvidia gtx 460. Why did Dell give us such an inferior Win7?
I mean, both laptops have the same speed but the core one lasts 4x as long as the old one! They're so similar but it's so *convenient* that the newer one is running win7 better.
Doesn't anyone else think that Dell is crapping our Win7 on purpose? It's a conspiracy folks!
I guess there are several clarifications needed.
1. X10's brightness is controlled by fluorescent illuminators as compared to Arc's LED backlit. have you ever wondered why sometimes the backlight doesn't dim smoothly? fluorescent illuminated display consumes hell lot more battery as compared to LED. this is rather self explanatory.
2. the process in x10's and arc's processor are different. x10 uses 65nm while arc uses 45nm. power consumption and efficiency in both are obviously different. performance wise, different too.
3. adreno 200 and adreno 205 are of major difference. adreno 205 enables hardware accelerated flash and rendering while 200 does not. adreno 200 is ancient FYI.
4. FPS on the x10 is uncapped to 55. i suppose that doesn't make much difference with 60?
There is no "3d fps cap". This is the actual performance of Adreno200 (compare it with N1)
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z
zdzihu said:
There is no "3d fps cap". This is the actual performance of Adreno200 (compare it with N1)
Cheers,
z
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Can't we overclock our gpu sir ?
And why does it show 280mb ram instead of 384mb ram ?
Sorry if my question is out of topic ..
Oodie said:
Can't we overclock our gpu sir ?
And why does it show 280mb ram instead of 384mb ram ?
Sorry if my question is out of topic ..
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I don't think there is a way to directly overclock GPU on SoC. it's not like in PC we have a separate graphics card to run graphic rendering.
100MB RAM is dedicated to vRAM.
silveraero said:
Did you know that the Are processor higher than X10, RAM is higher than X10 and GPU performance is higher than X10? What are you talking about? Compare a new phone appears almost 2 years later with the first Android phone from SE?
EDIT: I'm scared of this one
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but ram doesnt render the ui? both 1ghz processor why is the x10 so laggy then...
Oodie said:
Can't we overclock our gpu sir ?
And why does it show 280mb ram instead of 384mb ram ?
Sorry if my question is out of topic ..
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you can overclock gpu by overclocking the whole processor. only gpu is not possible
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but ram doesnt render the ui? both 1ghz processor why is the x10 so laggy then...
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Did you read any of the thread?
Oodie said:
Can't we overclock our gpu sir ?
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No, but as mentioned before, you can overclock the whole chip.
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And why does it show 280mb ram instead of 384mb ram ?
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The "missing memory" is used by Linux kernel (dsp, camera, encoder and) and is not accessible by user. This is common
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z
Old technology vs New technology...
go figure.
Thanks ToonXW , keizbaby and Z for repling. Got it now
So is there any way to overclock rhe whole chip on stock 2.3.3
Why is battery life better on Arc:
X10 65nm CPU vs 45nm on Arc
X10 998MHz @ 1300mV vs 1024MHz @ 1200mV on Arc
Alone these things make it better.
And you forgot to mention that Arc's screen reacts faster/better.
Couldn't type really fast on my X10, it didn't register some touches then. On my Arc I can type really, really fast.
All these things make it better, BUT the Arc is 1 year newer than the X10!
In 1 year hardware makes huge steps forward.
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Why is battery life better on Arc:
X10 65nm CPU vs 45nm on Arc
X10 998MHz @ 1300mV vs 1024MHz @ 1200mV on Arc
Alone these things make it better.
And you forgot to mention that Arc's screen reacts faster/better.
Couldn't type really fast on my X10, it didn't register some touches then. On my Arc I can type really, really fast.
All these things make it better, BUT the Arc is 1 year newer than the X10!
In 1 year hardware makes huge steps forward.
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It reacts better because it has better fps and multi touch...
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So is there any way to overclock rhe whole chip on stock 2.3.3
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Custom kernels... We wait for semc sources...
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Already overclock CPU speed to 1.3GHz, install custom ROM if you want it.
The differences between the X10 and Arc are CPU, RAM, GPU. Same CPU name with different code 200-205, RAM: 384/512, GPU is included on CPU so new CPU technology mean better GPU. That why everything on ARC is smoother than X10. You must know exactly what you are talking about, not only the value of processor.
The x10 is pretty damn smooth now, I get all day usage from it, constantly on WiFi. The people complaining must have forgotten what 1.6 was like, it's night and day now.
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HTC ONE GLBenchmark only scores 34 FPS at 1080P offscreen, this is much lower than the Samsung SHV-E300s which scores 41.3 FPS, both using Snapdragon 600, in the same test. IRC HTC One is using LPDDR2 RAM, so are we seeing a lack of bandwidth compared to the Samsung which may use LPDDR3, which is supported by the S600.
http://www.glbenchmark.com/phonedetails.jsp?benchmark=glpro25&D=HTC+One
how do you know HTC One uses LPDDR2 memory
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how do you know HTC One uses LPDDR2 memory
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/6754/hands-on-with-the-htc-one-formerly-m7/2
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HTC ONE GLBenchmark only scores 34 FPS at 1080P offscreen, this is much lower than the Samsung SHV-E300s which scores 41.3 FPS, both using Snapdragon 600, in the same test. IRC HTC One is using LPDDR2 RAM, so are we seeing a lack of bandwidth compared to the Samsung which may use LPDDR3, which is supported by the S600.
http://www.glbenchmark.com/phonedetails.jsp?benchmark=glpro25&D=HTC+One
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My first question would be is how they even got a benchmark of the SHV-E300?
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My first question would be is how they even got a benchmark of the SHV-E300?
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How do any results appear on GLbenchmark?
I believe with GLBenchmark, that if you don't register / login before running the test, it automatically uploads to their server for public viewing, so maybe it was done intentionally, or somebody forgot to login?
fp581 said:
he is spamming all around the htc one just look at his posts plz ban him from posting in any htc forum ever again.
he probably works in sony nokia or samsung
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Who are you talking about?
sorry wrong person i'll delete that lest one.
but i would love pics of that benchmark for proof
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sorry wrong person i'll delete that lest one.
but i would love pics of that benchmark for proof
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Dude I was going to go atomic, I admit it I have a terrible temper
I believe the benchmark was run by a German Android site, called Android Next, there is a video on Youtube, the GLBenchmark starts at 2.22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl1dmNhhcXs&list=UUan0vBtcwISsThTNo2uZxSQ&index=1
thanks turbo for advanced my knoledge...what a shame they didnt choose LPDDR3 but i think its nt issue these days
Just to temper this news, we must remeber that the HTC One is running at 1.7ghz, while the Samsung device is running at 1.9.
Although 200mhz does not seem like much, it could possibly account for the 7 fps difference when u factor in the difference in UI.
If in fact the Samsung device really has DDR3 ram, and the difference (after accounting for clock speed) is 2-3 fps, I can understand why HTC opted not to include it. Was not worth the extra cost most likely.
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Just to temper this news, we must remeber that the HTC One is running at 1.7ghz, while the Samsung device is running at 1.9.
Although 200mhz does not seem like much, it could possibly account for the 7 fps difference when u factor in the difference in UI.
If in fact the Samsung device really has DDR3 ram, and the difference (after accounting for clock speed) is 2-3 fps, I can understand why HTC opted not to include it. Was not worth the extra cost most likely.
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GLBenchmark is a test of GPU performance, and isn't really changed by CPU clockkspeed, but it is affected by bandwidth.
As a test, I downclocked my Nexus 7 from an overclocked 1.6 GHz to just 1.15 GHz, I ran GLBench and got 10 FPS. I then ran at the test again but with CPU at 1.6 GHz, the result, 10 FPS again.
I've benched the N7 with both CPU & GPU overclocked to the same level as Transformer Infinity, which gets 13 FPS, but I always get 10 FPS, the reason my N7 has lower memory bandwidth than the Transformer Infinity, because it use slower RAM and thus has less bandwidth. That is a difference of 30% in FPS, just because of lower bandwidth.
I read that LPDDR3 starts at 800 MHz or 12.8 GB/s in dual-channel configuration, whereas LPDDR2 maxs at 533 MHz or 8.5 GB/s max bandwidth in dual-channel configuration.
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GLBenchmark is a test of GPU performance, and isn't really changed by CPU clockkspeed, but it is affected by bandwidth.
As a test, I downclocked my Nexus 7 from an overclocked 1.6 GHz to just 1.15 GHz, I ran GLBench and got 10 FPS. I then ran at the test again but with CPU at 1.6 GHz, the result, 10 FPS again.
I've benched the N7 with both CPU & GPU overclocked to the same level as Transformer Infinity, which gets 13 FPS, but I always get 10 FPS, the reason my N7 has lower memory bandwidth than the Transformer Infinity, because it use slower RAM and thus has less bandwidth. That is a difference of 30% in FPS, just because of lower bandwidth.
I read that LPDDR3 starts at 800 MHz or 12.8 GB/s in dual-channel configuration, whereas LPDDR2 maxs at 533 MHz or 8.5 GB/s max bandwidth in dual-channel configuration.
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In that case the results are quite disappointing.
All these fantastic new phones, and so much disappointment.
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They could have used faster memory for the same price if they didn't cut off Samsung as a supplier. Makes you wonder where their priorities lie. Making the best products possible or just going with the motions.
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No one is going to take anything you say here seriously, as you've managed to have 2 threads closed in the last 30 mins. One of those inane posts you made involved you saying that HTC is going to be paying, according to your genius calculation, 20% of their profits to Apple (I forget what insanely unintelligent reason you gave). Yeah, because being able to completely migrate data from 1 completely different phone to another is such a bad idea for a company that wants to push their product.
So, what is the per unit cost of what HTC is paying for RAM now vs. what they could have gotten from Samsung? Exactly, you have no idea. I also didn't hear anything about HTC "cutting off" Samsung as a supplier, but maybe I missed it, so I google'd "htc cut off samsung supplier" and found 2 links...
http://tech2.in.com/news/smartphones/following-apple-htc-cuts-component-orders-from-samsung/505402
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20121009PD213.html
I'm not sure if you have the capability of reading or not, but I'll spoon feed you this information, ok hunny? I've taken the info from the 1st link, since there is more there.
After Apple Inc slashed its orders for memory chips for its new iPhone from major supplier and competitor, Samsung Electronics Co Ltd, HTC too has reportedly cut down on its smartphone component orders from the South Korean company.
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So, Apple cut down on memory orders. You know, they are the one's who make the iPhone? Have a logo of an Apple on their products? Steve Jobs was the CEO before he died. Anyway, I'll continue...
According to a report by DigiTimes, HTC has reduced its orders from Samsung, and instead opted to order CMOS image sensors from OmniVision and Sony. The company has also chosen to move part of its AMOLED panel orders to AU Optronics, DigiTimes reported citing ‘sources’.
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Notice it said that HTC reduced its orders from Samsung, specifically on the image sensors (that's for the camera, if you didn't know) and the screen. You know, the thing on the front of your phone that you touch to make it do things? You know what I mean, right? I encourage you to read this link (or possibly have someone read it to you)...
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/reduce
The point is that reduce isn't the same as cut off. Cutting off would require HTC not ordering ANYTHING from Samsung. Guess what? The One doesn't use an OmniVision CMOS sensor (don't forget, that's what the camera uses) or an AMOLED screen (the bright part of your phone that shows you info).
Also, this is a far better designed phone, especially in regards to hardware, than anything Samsung has ever produced. I went back to my EVO 4G LTE, mainly because I couldn't stand the terrible build quality of the Note 2. It just feels like a cheap toy. And, IMO, Sense is far better than TW. Samsung may have the market right now because of the Galaxy line of products, but that doesn't mean that HTC is out of the game by any means.
Seriously, attempt to use just a bit of intelligence before opening your mouth and spewing diarrhea throughout the One forums. As the saying goes: "it's better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you're an idiot, then to open your mouth and prove it". Unfortunately for you, it's too late.
I really think Turbo was too hasty to open a new thread for this as we've been discussing this in the mega thread
http://www.glbenchmark.com/phonedetails.jsp?benchmark=glpro25&D=HTC+One
It scores 34fps in Egypt HD 1080p offscreen, while the leaked Samsung s600 device socres 41fps which is perfectly inline with Qualcomm's promised speed (3x Adreno 225)
here is a video of what I suspect the source of the benchmark, because we had no benchmark before it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl1dmNhhcXs
notice how the battery is almost at end (HTC bar at this stage means its in the last 25%) also notice the activity in the notification area
more important the post ran more than a few full benchmarks, like quadrant before running GL benchmark, this alone is enough to lower the score, especially since Adreno 320 was known to throttle in the Nexus 4
I think benchmarks scores should not be relied on in such events, especially with hundreds of hands messing with the device, we have learned from the One X launch where videos poped up showing horrible performance from the One X, eventually turned out to be were very far from the final device in ur hands
finally both the One X and Nexus 7 at the same gpu clock, but the first is DDR2 and the second is DDR3, score the same in GL Benchmark
in other words its worrying but it's best to wait for proper testers like Anand
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I just wonder that a Samsung phone uses high end parts from Qualcomm instead of Samsungs processors. But I am not in Samsung devices so far, so I would not judge this
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Here's a second video also showing Egypt off screen bench at 34FPS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wijp79uCwFg
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Maedhros said:
Just to temper this news, we must remeber that the HTC One is running at 1.7ghz, while the Samsung device is running at 1.9.
Although 200mhz does not seem like much, it could possibly account for the 7 fps difference when u factor in the difference in UI.
If in fact the Samsung device really has DDR3 ram, and the difference (after accounting for clock speed) is 2-3 fps, I can understand why HTC opted not to include it. Was not worth the extra cost most likely.
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So you're saying that 200mhz o the CPU can account for 7 fps on a GPU test?
Following what you said, the Nexus 4 should have scored 27 fps? Since it has 200mhz less...
But no, it scored 33.7...only 0.3 fps less than the One!
And you know why? First both use the same GPU (and it's what counts for a graphic test) and second the HTC phones are always slower due to Sense!
So stop *****ing and realize that the One is no god phone
Samsung device is running 4.2.1
Octa 5, which is also named as 5410, has 4+4 cores(Can be both enable at the same time, but Samsung doesnt provide 8-core mode because of power consumption ) and 544mp(maybe 533mhz 544MP3) GPU.
The good news is that 28nm HP makes it has much lower power consumption than 4412 when only the A7 cores are running.
But sadly it only get 24000+ scores in Antutu, lower than Tegra 4. What's worse, they both dont support Open GL 3.0!!!!!!
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Octa 5, which is also named as 5410, has 4+4 cores and 544mp GPU.
The good news is that 28nm HP makes it has much lower power consumption than 4412 when only the A7 cores are running.
But sadly it only get 24000+ scores in Antutu, lower than Tegra 4. What's worse, they both dont support Open GL 3.0!!!!!!
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i find this hard to believe. For a start A15 cores are huge and hot and made for tablets unless clocked around 900mhz. Die area for an 8 core design is going to be way bigger than anything else on the market. Makes me think this isnt made for a phone.
Even Tegra 4 is made for tablets and the 4i is the phone variant with LTE built in. Since all of these are 28nm then there is no die shrink to help.
Snapdragon 600 looks to be a quad core with low power use and benchmarks very high. I doubt the solution is an A15 + A7 chip 8 core.
Where is the proof?
From 'various' source I have read (just google) the international will have the 8 core where the US version will have the snapdragon 600. These are mostly speculation with 'some' insider info. Won't be much longer until we know for sure...
Here is the maximun power list
4210→about 3w
4412→2w
8064→about 5w
tegra4→between 5w and 7w
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Octa 5, which is also named as 5410, has 4+4 cores and 544mp GPU.
The good news is that 28nm HP makes it has much lower power consumption than 4412 when only the A7 cores are running.
But sadly it only get 24000+ scores in Antutu, lower than Tegra 4. What's worse, they both dont support Open GL 3.0!!!!!!
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That 40000 bugs me.
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Hmm...
5.5W?
Seems likely this is real deal
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But sadly it only get 24000+ scores in Antutu, lower than Tegra 4.
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Those preliminary numbers from Teg4 are nothing but Nvidia's famous marketing hype which they are far better at than meeting delivery schedules and self-declared performance claims. The benchmarks were from a cobbled together device that can't even be considered a reference platform. And there was no battery life optimization applied so, at the scores posted, a tablet would probably last three hours. Until their chips are in a device that's purchasable anything Nvidia's says or does should be taken with a grain of salt.
Or maybe Octa start from A7s to A15s, That it isnt higher than Intel Dual Cores makes no sense
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Or maybe Octa start from A7s to A15s, That it isnt higher than Intel Dual Cores makes no sense
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What makes no sense?
Are you guys still fighting over Antutu/quadrant scores? Someone should kill those benchmarks. Waste of time and a disgrace in the name of benchmark tests. an antutu/quadrant score is just a score. you could literally smell a device and give better prediction about performance than those benchmarks could possibly give you.
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What makes no sense?
Are you guys still fighting over Antutu/quadrant scores? Someone should kill those benchmarks. Waste of time and a disgrace in the name of benchmark tests. an antutu/quadrant score is just a score. you could literally smell a device and give better prediction about performance than those benchmarks could possibly give you.
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Not to mention this forum is about the sgn2, not speculation or otherwise on other devices. :/
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Not to mention this forum is about the sgn2, not speculation or otherwise on other devices. :/
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2091232
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*another* variant
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*another* variant
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26xxx points in Antutu? I think all these benchmark screenshots are fake. Tegra 4 gets more than 36xxx points while getting double the cpu integer and floating point performance of the exynos octa. Both chipsets are using 4 A15 cores. The only reason for such a bad score can be that there are only the A7 cores running instead of the A15 cores. So I think, the final S4 with Exynos Octa will get at least 30xxx points or more in Antutu.
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26xxx points in Antutu? I think all these benchmark screenshots are fake. Tegra 4 gets more than 36xxx points while getting double the cpu integer and floating point performance of the exynos octa. Both chipsets are using 4 A15 cores. The only reason for such a bad score can be that there are only the A7 cores running instead of the A15 cores. So I think, the final S4 with Exynos Octa will get at least 30xxx points or more in Antutu.
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I will be actually happy if the device runs most times on A7. If that means lower scores on some benchmarks, i will have no complaints. BTW, it's useless discussing about nvidia's marketing numbers. we can talk this to death after it's released in a device. i am sure we can also do a lot with benchmarks on a heatsinked test device.
the moment a whitepaper talks about antutu/quadrant scores, it starts to lose credibility.
BTW, antutu is a device benchmark tool, not a processor benchmark.
Finally freed from ARM Mali 400-MP4 ! Note 3 will probably also have this system. Now in Real Racing 3 in high details ~25-30 FPS so it's sad
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Those s4 leaks were fake apparently (updated by sammobile)
But these are real ones , this is AT&T variant running Snapdragon600:
[Url http://www.gsm-israel.co.il/%D7%97%D7%93%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%AA/%D7%91%D7%9C%D7%A2%D7%93%D7%99-%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%99-%D7%9E%D7%A1%D7%9A-%D7%9E%D7%AA%D7%95%D7%9A-%D7%94-galaxy-s-iv] Source here[/url]
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Exynos Octa 5 vs Intel arm, may be soon !
Exynose for me all the way. The best soc of current era. No overheating issues easily overclockable and gives the max
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Octa 5, which is also named as 5410, has 4+4 cores and 544mp GPU.
The good news is that 28nm HP makes it has much lower power consumption than 4412 when only the A7 cores are running.
But sadly it only get 24000+ scores in Antutu, lower than Tegra 4. What's worse, they both dont support Open GL 3.0!!!!!!
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alexander1995 said:
Octa 5, which is also named as 5410, has 4+4 cores and 544mp GPU.
The good news is that 28nm HP makes it has much lower power consumption than 4412 when only the A7 cores are running.
But sadly it only get 24000+ scores in Antutu, lower than Tegra 4. What's worse, they both dont support Open GL 3.0!!!!!!
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I honestly hope this isn't true... Not an Exynos again! =/
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I honestly hope this isn't true... Not an Exynos again! =/
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Do you really think it is possible? Consider the Exynos is created by Samsung its own...
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Yeah of course because benchmarks are based official word and are completely believeable, especially when Antutu doesn't even read GT-I9500 as the S4.
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It goes upto 40000 in antutu , looks good
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i9100g user said:
It goes upto 40000 in antutu , looks good
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LOL no!!
its about 26K which the same as Snapdragon S600
nothing special :silly::silly: > if this benchmark is real
PowerVR SGX 544MP would be a very bad decision....First off the 544MP was released quit a long time ago, secondly it doesnt support OpenGL 3.0 nor OpenCL 1.2. And last but not least the Iphone 5S will def. have a PowerVR series 6.
Doesnt make sense that a blazing fast and new chip like Exynos 5 octa (4+4) would sport an outdated GPU.
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PowerVR SGX 544MP would be a very bad decision....First off the 544MP was released quit a long time ago, secondly it doesnt support DX 10.1/11, OpenGL 3.x/4.x and OpenGL 3.0. And last but not least the Iphone 5S will def. have a PowerVR series 6.
Doesnt make sense that a blazing fast and new chip like Exynos 5 octa (4+4) would sport an outdated GPU.
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Just one thing, why would we care about Dx10.1/11? Android doesn't use it, and it never will because it's a Mcrosoft technology.
In fact Linux in general doesn't use it, and that only ever will in Wine.
You right about that, missed that one .
Stevemeister said:
PowerVR SGX 544MP would be a very bad decision....First off the 544MP was released quit a long time ago, secondly it doesnt support DX 10.1/11, OpenGL 3.x/4.x and OpenGL 3.0. And last but not least the Iphone 5S will def. have a PowerVR series 6.
Doesnt make sense that a blazing fast and new chip like Exynos 5 octa (4+4) would sport an outdated GPU.
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DX is useless for Android or Linux , but if this real its sucks beacuse it won't support OpenGL ES 3.0 nor OpenCL 1.2 :silly:
even Adreno 320 support OpenGL ES 3.0 and OpenCL 1.2
yep iP5s or 6 will come with PowerVR series 6 and it will wipe the floor with all current GPU's , Samsung need to stop using outdated GPU's :/
edit : i wish they used Mali-T678 which x6 - x8 times more powerful than Mali-T604
yahyoh said:
LOL no!!
its about 26K which the same as Snapdragon S600
nothing special :silly::silly: > if this benchmark is real
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Goes upto 40k , these are preliminary
I think at least 30000
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i9100g user said:
Goes upto 40k , these are preliminary
I think at least 30000
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It's said to see Samsung using PowerVR 544 and not new one but we know who has to get it first...
Its also bad that we can't see atm T-Mali 678 that would be perfect fit )
And for me which is most important. If it's 24k I dont care. I would rather took great optimization always then those 24k or 40k....
Stevemeister said:
PowerVR SGX 544MP would be a very bad decision....First off the 544MP was released quit a long time ago, secondly it doesnt support OpenGL 3.0 nor OpenCL 1.2. And last but not least the Iphone 5S will def. have a PowerVR series 6.
Doesnt make sense that a blazing fast and new chip like Exynos 5 octa (4+4) would sport an outdated GPU.
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And those APIs matter how? By the time they become standard, you will be looking at buying Galaxy S6
yahyoh said:
edit : i wish they used Mali-T678 which x6 - x8 times more powerful than Mali-T604
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No it is not.
People like throwing around codenames without knowing what they even are, the T678 for example is just a T628 with double the compute performance, something which is useless on a phone or in regards to gaming.
On another note: The Antutu people seem sure of themselves: http://antutu.com/view.shtml?id=5370
The detailed benchmarks correspond to an A15 architecture.
Samsung doesn't use "outdated" GPUs just to piss nerds off. Rogue series is not ready yet. Tegra 4 isn't ready and it's too power-hungry. Adreno 330 is not ready yet. T678 is not ready - by the way, have you seen how much power the quad-core T604 in the Nexus 10 consumes? And you think an eight-core super high-end GPU would be a good idea for a phone? The S IV will be the most powerful phone by a comfortable margin. If that's not enough for you, you can keep waiting.
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No it is not.
People like throwing around codenames without knowing what they even are, the T678 for example is just a T628 with double the compute performance, something which is useless on a phone or in regards to gaming.
On another note: The Antutu people seem sure of themselves: http://antutu.com/view.shtml?id=5370
The detailed benchmarks correspond to an A15 architecture.
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i'm not throwing any thing
Arm site saying Mali t678 is has 50% more performance than Mali t658 ( and Mali t658 is 4 times more powerful than Mali t604 )
BTW the bencmark numbers are sucks compared to Tegra 4 :/
Code:
Total: 24894
Ram: 5144
Integer: 5228
Float-point: 5536
2D: 1621
3D: 6449
DB: 565
SD-W: 150
SD-R: 201
edit : some N4 benchmark with bionic optimization
i think snapdragon S600 with bionic optimization will blow Exynos 5410 out of the water
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Do you really think it is possible? Consider the Exynos is created by Samsung its own...
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Samsung != Samsung.
You have Samsung Mobile, and Samsung Semiconductors. Samsung Semiconductors are making the Exynos processors... In many lowend devices, they use Qualcomm SoCs. So I definitely think it's possible!
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